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OMG FF13-2 @ E3 STUFF
« on: June 02, 2011, 11:37:32 AM »


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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2011, 11:38:49 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 11:40:47 AM »
Does it make your peepee hard Borys?
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Re: omg ff13-2 pic
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 11:42:13 AM »
looks like a ps2 kingdom hearts.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 11:42:31 AM »
FFXIII: Arabian Nights
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 11:43:37 AM »
Looks like Oerba Village they are in
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 11:44:12 AM »
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Set a few years after Lightning and the others saved Cocoon, some survivors have decided to start over by rebuilding on Gran Pulse. Lightning, however, is nowhere to be found and thought dead by many, but Serah believes otherwise. When her town is suddenly overrun by monsters, a mysterious man named Noel appears to save her. Together, the two set off to find Lightning...

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2011, 11:46:59 AM »
"auto battle"

:yuck
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2011, 11:51:35 AM »
Noel is Christmas... Christmas is in the winter... where it Snows

OMG ITS SNOW
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2011, 11:52:34 AM »
Looks like the same exact battle system. Until I see videos or previews color me "not interested".

I had enough of vapid FF13 battles in FF13 proper, I'm not really interested in buying a sequel with the same core mechanics.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2011, 11:55:42 AM »
Give a pole a hd tv and a waifu and suddenly he's king of the world
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2011, 11:55:42 AM »
GET ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2011, 12:02:07 PM »
With poors like Diunx and Himuro shitting up FFXIII-2 threads it's time for me to black the fuck out of this thread until game gets released.

:bow FFXIII-2 :bow2

Well I apologize for h oping they'd revamp the majority of the game including the battle system

Even FFX-2 didn't use the sphere grid, it was a totally new game with totally new features. But even this uses paradigms. I did this bullshit for 50 hours over a year ago, and I won't be doing it again. I sold that game for  a reason and don't want to play it again, and I was hoping the sequel would be something different entirely.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2011, 12:03:46 PM »
OMG Serah is back OMG :omg
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2011, 12:04:51 PM »
Because they automate the battle system without giving the player a lick of anything to say in the matter and they're boring because it comes down to switching paradigms, which makes it more repetitive than usual
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2011, 12:12:44 PM »
Awesome. Christmas 2011 release would be even more awesome.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2011, 12:21:02 PM »
what? serah?

oh god no,i'm not playing with that bitch

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Because they automate the battle system without giving the player a lick of anything to say in the matter

you just described gambits

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and they're boring because it comes down to switching paradigms

and this is like saying an rpg is boring because sometimes you have to pick "magic" instead of "attack"
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2011, 12:23:41 PM »
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What's wrong with Paradigms?

Fast and get the job done.

All the battle system requires is

A little time at the outset to configure your teams paradigms, you may tweak what you think is best slightly as you continue. Overall it's very simple after playing the game for a couple of hours

for the rest of the game

x....x....x l1 down (watch shitty paradigm shift animation) x....x....x WIN

Higher tier battles required a little more ebb and flow, especially to rank highly, and it was fun enough to play through but in the end I felt no lasting love for the game, primarily due to the battle system and I was looking forward to seeing something fresh. From the these first screens it looks like they've recycled everything.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2011, 12:26:02 PM »
i'm playing blue dragon and every battle comes down to select the attack option until everybody is dead

the only difference is that in the time it takes me doing 5 battles in FF13,i probably killed half of the enemies in a blue dragon battle

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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2011, 12:38:03 PM »
And people wonder why the genre is in decline
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2011, 12:52:11 PM »
what? serah?

oh god no,i'm not playing with that bitch

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Because they automate the battle system without giving the player a lick of anything to say in the matter

you just described gambits

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and they're boring because it comes down to switching paradigms

and this is like saying an rpg is boring because sometimes you have to pick "magic" instead of "attack"

no, it's not like gambits. gambits let me customize my player ai down to how much fart I want them to shoot after eating a burrito. FF13's paradigms allows for zero customization and feels far more automated than FF12 ever did.

No, it's boring because enemies rely on paradigm strategies but the game rarely ever switches it up enough to make things interesting. The majority of the game, until at least late chapter 11 or chapter 12, is mostly just auto-battling. Sure, you can say don't auto-battle, but the option is there and it's not like I need to do anything else to survive. I like the premise of the paradigm system, but if it equates to cheesy twitch gaming and repetitive schematics where all I do is press auto battle and switch paradigms, I really don't like it. Of course, this could be because I sold the game after completing it, not once doing a tiny bit of the post-game, but by that point in time I was so exhausted of the game that I didn't want to touch a paradigm again.

It could be good if they tweak some shit and let you customize your paradigm ai, if the game isn't fucking stupid and learns to save paradigms so you don't have to make new paradigms every fucking time a party member leaves, and switch party members mid-battle. A more freeform and customizable character progression system would preferable as well.

The core basics are there, but it'd take a bit of work for me to be excited about this.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2011, 12:53:00 PM »
Just pre-ordered my copy.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2011, 01:13:24 PM »
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no, it's not like gambits. gambits let me customize my player ai down to how much fart I want them to shoot after eating a burrito. FF13's paradigms allows for zero customization and feels far more automated than FF12 ever did.

but by doing so the AI is doing all the job,you are playing a game! not making a program to do a tool assisted speed run!

and besides saying "customization!" is a big word,here's how FF12 works,one guy tanks under bubble which give him a godly amount of HP,the other keep healing the tank and one of them (probably the one controlled by the player because whetever you get the "hit the weak spot!" gambit is random... so much for being able to "decide how much fart i want to shoot") fling spells at the enemy,basicaly it's like being permanently stuck to a sen/med/com paradigm,and you never ever have a reason to switch out of it

how is that better than a system that actualy needs your attention to work? if you don't heal in time to in FF12 the AI will do it for you because you "customized" one of your guys to do so but if the same happens in FF13 because you didn't switch paradigm quickly enough you fucked up!

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The majority of the game, until at least late chapter 11 or chapter 12, is mostly just auto-battling.

once again i fail to see how it differs from FF12,we are talking about the game with the hour long optional boss that is defeated by leaving the console running out while you do something else so you don't get bored out of your mind!

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It could be good if they tweak some shit and let you customize your paradigm ai

like how? the action each paradigm can do is extremely limited so besides "I FINALY CHOSE THE ORDER IN WHICH THE BUFF GETS DONE! YAY!" which is really more nitpicking than anything else i don't see how this should work


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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 01:33:46 PM »
I dunno. All I know is that I can't customize what my other party members do in battle something that even snes games like Tales could do, which creates a disconnect from what I expect my party to do and the fact that the best course of battling is auto-battle, which automatically dials in the best strategy for the enemy encounter.

This means that I'm relying on ai I can't customize and relying on commands that automatically created for me. It makes an already highly automated battle system feel twice as automated.

I don't feel like I'm in control of anything in 13, and that's half my problem. It feels extremely limited and barebones. I can't control where I go in the game, I can't control how I want to customize my characters, I can't control who I want to take with me for more than half the game, I can't control how I want my party ai behavior handles specific situations (for example, in FF12, I could just easily make my guys use KO: Ally -> Life or really creative tricks like luring enemies into traps and stealing all their mp, one can't do this in FF13). You can't really control anything in FF13 unless the game itself dictates it and at the core of all of this is the paradigm system.

It's fine that you like it, but it's far too automated for my liking and I find the bulk of it really boring.

You said one guy tanks in FF12 when FF12 gives no restraints. You can tank if you want, but you're certainly not required. I can make my team do nothing but fire spells out of their ass or I can make a member a tank and snipe from afar. Aren't they lovely? Those things they call, I think they're called options.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2011, 01:53:11 PM »
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All I know is that I can't customize what my other party members do in battle something that even snes games like Tales could do

but you CAN decide what your other party members do in battle
it's called "switching paradigm"

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which automatically dials in the best strategy for the enemy encounter.

all auto battle does is picking "fire" if the enemy is weak to fire and using "ruin" instead of "attack" if the enemy is resistant to physical attack,actualy auto battle won't even do these thing if the game doesn't learn all this stuff by using libra,auto battle will not magicaly decide if you need a sentinel or not,or if at that moment you need attacking or healing



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. I can make my team do nothing but fire spells out of their ass

rav/rav/rav

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or I can make a member a tank and snipe from afar

sen/rav/rav

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Those things they call, I think they're called options.
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but the option is there and it's not like I need to do anything else to survive.

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but it's far too automated for my liking

it's this thing here that drive me to madness! how can someone find FF13 too automated but be okay with FF12 is beyond me

giving different orders for the whole battle trough paradigm "OMG I CAN'T CONTROL ANYTHING"
giving one single specific order and watch the rest happens while you twiddle your thumbs "AWESOME!"
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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2011, 02:04:06 PM »
I want to hear the battle music... I wonder if Hamauzu is doing the music again
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2011, 02:05:36 PM »
FF13 is far more automated than FF12. In FF12 you customize every single thing the party does on top of having full control of your own character. I put maybe two or three gambits on my main character max, when playing FF12. So everything about my party in FF12 is according to me, not the game.

FF13, you switch paradigms, but you have no say in how the characters respond to specific scenarios. Thus, it is the game that plays itself, not FF12. Factor in auto-battle, and you already have your answer. Monotony incarnate.

No, you can't tell your characters what to do in battle. Stop twisting my words. In FF12, I can tell my guys to target the same enemy as me, or target a different enemy. In FF13, they will very often do something entirely that I don't want them do. In FF12, I can customize every single variable that goes into battle planning. In FF13, it's all left up to pre-made paradigm scripts. I have no say at all, just like the rest of the game.

It's fine you like that bullshit and like to have the game do everything for you, but please spare me when comparing this:



a fully customizable game that supports multiple play styles with this, which is as barebones as all possible. The core basics are interesting though.



Complaining about FF12's so-called "playing itself" when defending everything FF13 stands for is pretty funny. All I see is a gigantic step back and a humungous lack of player options for people like me who like spreadsheets and numbers and customizing their characters from the ground up.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2011, 02:05:51 PM »
I want to hear the battle music... I wonder if Hamauzu is doing the music again

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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2011, 02:06:55 PM »
Maybe it'll be Sekito :omg
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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2011, 02:12:00 PM »
Sazh is gonna come in like "nuh uh, fuck you crazy white bitches."
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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2011, 02:12:10 PM »
Lack of sunleth waterscape makes you a fagget

or maybe i'm the fagget because i remembered the name of that place without resorting to google :lol
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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2011, 02:12:59 PM »
FF13 battle theme sucks. I got tired of that song by the fifth battle. That song plays even in cutscenes. Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2011, 02:14:36 PM »
My fav tunes would be:

- Snow's theme
- Battle
- Sunleth
- Barthandelus fight
- Orphan
- Eidolon fight
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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2011, 02:15:41 PM »
My favorite songs are:

anything on gran pulse 8)
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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2011, 02:25:47 PM »
Epic OST, too bad about the actual game. :teehee
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2011, 02:36:16 PM »
tbh while a good ost, 13's ost is probably my least listened to FF ost next to FF2 and 3. Still good though.
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2011, 02:38:39 PM »
http://dilly-shilly.blogspot.com/2010/12/final-fantasy-xiii-episode-i.html

The epilogue that came with FF13 International in Japan... gonna read it later tonight
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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2011, 02:49:08 PM »
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FF13, you switch paradigms, but you have no say in how the characters respond to specific scenarios.

because YOU the player respond to specific scenarios by switching the paradigm and not some bullshit AI that you made up before

that's why you actualy PLAY FF13 and WATCH FF12

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Factor in auto-battle

which once again as i said only pick the element an enemy is weak too which is what you would do in FF12 too if there wasn't for the fact that they weren't smart enough to put a "HIT WEAK SPOT" gambit

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It's fine you like that bullshit and like to have the game do everything for you, but please spare me when comparing this:

it is incredibly funny how the "FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE GAME" there has the exact same ai set as the medic paradigm,basicaly with that gambit i will never have to worry about healing because the game will automaticaly heal me without me doing anything

and i'm the one that like to have the game do everything for me again?

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Complaining about FF12's so-called "playing itself" when defending everything FF13 stands for is pretty funny.

one game will murder you if you leave and take a trip,the other won't because you told it to "heal anybody is dying" it's as simple as that

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All I see is a gigantic step back and a humungous lack of player options

yes because there is a huge amount of options in final fantasy tankalot 12
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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2011, 02:56:15 PM »
Dont worry Borys. We can swap hot tips and stories when we play it.
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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2011, 02:58:32 PM »
tbh while a good ost, 13's ost is probably my least listened to FF ost next to FF2 and 3. Still good though.

Is there anything you like about this game? smh

Mmmmm...I like the graphics and some of the art. The music is cool. Some of the boss fights are good too. Some chapters are really good (6-8, 11).
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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2011, 03:40:55 PM »
So they didnt bother to change the battle system at all? The mini cutscene everytime you changed paradigm needs to be taken out.

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« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2011, 04:11:07 PM »
I don't like that animation either.
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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2011, 04:33:14 PM »
So they didnt bother to change the battle system at all? The mini cutscene everytime you changed paradigm needs to be taken out.

It only happens during first paradigm shift, Swede. Back 2 da dumpster with you.

eh no it happens everytime you shift...


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« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2011, 04:35:12 PM »
So they didnt bother to change the battle system at all? The mini cutscene everytime you changed paradigm needs to be taken out.

It only happens during first paradigm shift, Swede. Back 2 da dumpster with you.

eh no it happens everytime you shift...





What?  No it doesn't you slutfuck.
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« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2011, 04:35:43 PM »
The graphics somehow look downgraded.

And FFXIII's only good tracks are the battle themes. The rest is pretty trash.

I'm not looking forward to XIII-2 while this is being developed also:



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« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2011, 04:45:02 PM »
So they didnt bother to change the battle system at all? The mini cutscene everytime you changed paradigm needs to be taken out.

It only happens during first paradigm shift, Swede. Back 2 da dumpster with you.

eh no it happens everytime you shift...





What?  No it doesn't you slutfuck.

ok maybe my memory deceived me then, but I thought I saw that animation way too often.

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« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2011, 05:01:03 PM »
i'm pretty sure it happens every paradigm shift too
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« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2011, 05:02:05 PM »
it happens at least half the time you shift. having that crappy animation play in the heat of the moment when enemies are fighting you is agony
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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2011, 05:06:08 PM »
No, it happens the first time and then never again after wards in a single battle.
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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2011, 05:10:46 PM »
And people wonder why the genre is in decline

It's not, that's just something westaboos love convincing themselves of when they get tired of pwning their bros in the latest CoD rehash.

Here's hoping FF13-2 is good, the original had some sort of promise at least but was really hurt by the linear design and absence of towns/optional stuff.
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« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2011, 05:16:14 PM »
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

see? it happens everytime
still so awesome and fast,love the repeat option that's there just to make you skip time fiddling trough the menu
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« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2011, 05:30:57 PM »
Give a pole a hd tv and a waifu and suddenly he's king of the world
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« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2011, 05:55:22 PM »
Wow that long gui shit looks tedious
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« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2011, 06:27:48 PM »
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

see? it happens everytime
still so awesome and fast,love the repeat option that's there just to make you skip time fiddling trough the menu
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No, see, this is what I'm saying,  The animation is there, but it's only a second long.  The first time takes like 4-5 seconds.
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« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2011, 06:47:49 PM »
really? i remember it being 1-2 seconds everytime,i tought santac was talking about that!

Wow that long gui shit looks tedious

yea i'm 100% sure you wouldn't have had any fun with the post game at all
heck i didn't and i like the game!
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« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2011, 07:06:05 PM »
It still does the animation, brand new. Whether it's short or not doesn't matter. Don't wanna see it 5 billion times.
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« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2011, 07:08:44 PM »
Well, it's better than manually changing everything in a menu.  :yuck
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« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2011, 07:23:20 PM »
You mean like in rpgs? Yeah, what's up with that? rpgs suck.
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« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2011, 07:34:06 PM »
>Serah

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« Reply #59 on: June 02, 2011, 07:43:14 PM »
You mean like in rpgs? Yeah, what's up with that? rpgs suck.

finaly something we can agree on..... :smug

oh wait,you mean you are being ironic? oh.... :-\

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