Author Topic: Vita Thread (Read 804699 times)

Takao · « **Reply #1860 on:** April 20, 2012, 12:08:29 PM »

Quote from: Akala on April 20, 2012, 11:27:34 AM

Vita saved! Rise to heaven

These didn't save Vita:

super monkey boobs won't either.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #1861 on:** April 20, 2012, 12:09:47 PM »

As someone who has not yet purchased a Vita, I am continually shocked by how few reasons Sony is giving me to change my mind

Tasty · « **Reply #1862 on:** April 20, 2012, 12:24:45 PM »

Quote from: Akala on April 20, 2012, 11:27:34 AM

Vita is dead. Rise to heaven :'(

Fixed.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #1863 on:** April 20, 2012, 12:44:58 PM »

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on April 20, 2012, 12:09:47 PM

As someone who has not yet purchased a Vita, I am continually shocked by how few reasons Sony is giving me to change my mind

I like it a lot, best handheld hardware ever, but their E3 presentation will determine whether or not I slap it on Craigslist and put the money towards an iPad 3

I already dislike the immediate trending towards nickel-and-dime DLC (seriously, scrolling through the vast lists of .99 DLC on the Vita PSN store should trigger a "go fuck yourself" sound bite), F2P weirdness, and the online passes, so if they're not out there shaking it like the Solid Gold Dancers and waving around upcoming game boxes then fuck it.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1864 on:** April 20, 2012, 01:46:57 PM »

Same here.

I totally jumped on the bandwagon, and I'm loving the hardware, and recognize the potential OS upgrades and how far the overall system can be pushed. But I don't see a better commitment from Sony in the next couple of months (and really, there's almost none so far), I'm selling it as soon as I clear out my launch titles and PSP RPG backlog, then putting the money towards a new phone or tablet.

Takao · « **Reply #1865 on:** April 20, 2012, 01:50:17 PM »

I'm not sure what you guys expect from Sony. Pretty much all of their internal studios are working on games right now for PS3/Vita/PS4. They've just got to announce them. I can see Media Molecule's new IP (which is supposedly on both Vita and PS3) being unveiled at either E3, or Gamescom. SCEJ's unveiling Soul Sacrifice next month (though that likely won't be made by a 100% internal team), and well SCEA sucks.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1866 on:** April 20, 2012, 01:58:20 PM »

I expect taking initiatives and spreading moneyhats, instead of wasting millions on games that barely do bank. All whilst Nintendo keeps eating their lunch, as far as JP games go.

Nothing their internal studios have produced has interested me beside the first LBP and U2.

I might miss a couple of Falcom titles, but that's about it.

Huff · « **Reply #1867 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:17:25 PM »

Hard to moneyhat without the money to make the hats

Takao · « **Reply #1868 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:19:12 PM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 20, 2012, 01:58:20 PM

I expect taking initiatives and spreading moneyhats, instead of wasting millions on games that barely do bank. All whilst Nintendo keeps eating their lunch, as far as JP games go.

Nothing their internal studios have produced has interested me beside the first LBP and U2.

I might miss a couple of Falcom titles, but that's about it.

As far as JP games I'm not sure what SCEJ could money hat that isn't already on 3DS in some form. I guess, Yakuza, Gundam Vs., Tales of the World, and God Eater?

Also, Gravity Rush am crai :'(

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1869 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:19:44 PM »

I know, right?

Like, kick the bucket already!

Edit:

Oh shit, forgot Gravity Rush. Yeah, I'll wait for that... AND Sounds Shapes. But I'm definitely selling right afterwards if I don't hear any good news. I R SERIOUS!

Takao · « **Reply #1870 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:23:19 PM »

I hope Gravity Rush sells well in the west, but in my heart I know it won't.

SCEA can't sell SCEJ's games. Then again, SCEJ has a hard time selling SCEJ's games.

Bebpo · « **Reply #1871 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:25:41 PM »

That's because SCEJ makes weird ass quirky niche games with no selling power at all.

Like Tokyo Jungle! That game will sell 500 copies.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1872 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:28:07 PM »

Of course it won't sell.

Sony can't sell games even if their lives depended on it.

Wait...

Takao · « **Reply #1873 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:35:26 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on April 20, 2012, 02:25:41 PM

That's because SCEJ makes weird ass quirky niche games with no selling power at all.

Like Tokyo Jungle! That game will sell 500 copies.

SCEJ makes quirky games with the hope that they these unique experiences strike a chord with people. They had huge success stories with that strategy in the past with a couple of those Net Yaroze games they published, and of course Parappa. The problem is the PSP and PS3 aren't the PS1 and PS2, and outside of like Demon's Souls and maybe Patapon and Badman this strategy hasn't been hugely successful for SCEJ recently. That said, I'd rather have the likes of Tokyo Jungle over another shooter from SCEE and SCEA any day. Speaking of which, I have the feeling that could be a sleeper hit. It won't sell huge numbers or anything, but I feel it could be the most successful PlayStation C.A.M.P. title yet (which isn't a hard bar to break).

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #1874 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:02:30 PM »

I want assurance that after the end of the year, they're not going to pretend it doesn't exist anymore and focus all attention on the PS4. I already know there are a few interesting games for the latter half of 2012, enough to keep it around until the holidays, but if I get the sense that not much else is on the horizon, there's not much point to having it in a desk drawer "just in case."

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #1875 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:03:26 PM »

I'd totally buy Tokyo Jungle, btw.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1876 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:06:50 PM »

I've never heard of Tokyo Jungle.

Takao · « **Reply #1877 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:08:42 PM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 20, 2012, 03:06:50 PM

I've never heard of Tokyo Jungle.

You're missing out bro:

Momo · « **Reply #1878 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:22:07 PM »

Oh god Tokyo Jungle vids have been posted

Brehvolution · « **Reply #1879 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:33:33 PM »

mmmmm panda love

Bebpo · « **Reply #1880 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:45:59 PM »

Quote from: Takao on April 20, 2012, 02:35:26 PM

but I feel it could be the most successful PlayStation C.A.M.P. title yet (which isn't a hard bar to break).

So, it might sell more than 1,000 copies?

:'( Patchwork Heroes :'(

Such a great game.

I do like the idea of C.A.M.P. in that it gives gamers cool games. But financially it doesn't seem to help Sony.

Takao · « **Reply #1881 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:54:55 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on April 20, 2012, 03:45:59 PM

Quote from: Takao on April 20, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
but I feel it could be the most successful PlayStation C.A.M.P. title yet (which isn't a hard bar to break).

So, it might sell more than 1,000 copies?

:'( Patchwork Heroes :'(

Such a great game.

I do like the idea of C.A.M.P. in that it gives gamers cool games. But financially it doesn't seem to help Sony.

Maybe not immediately, but discovering talent and building a relationship with them could provide usefulness in the future. And besides, given who's developing Tokyo Jungle I doubt it's rivaling Gravity Rush or Hot Shots Golf in terms of budget.

And yeah, I'm pretty heart broken towards Patchwork Heroes' performance.

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #1882 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:35:55 PM »

Quote from: Takao on April 18, 2012, 08:17:06 PM

Quote from: Martin Raperman on April 18, 2012, 07:36:11 PM
Cunting Disgaea 3 isn't on eurolands psn. What the shit Sony. Seriously, how about I spend my money on drugs, fine wines and Belgian chocolates for a beautiful lady instead?

It could be up Friday. I believe they've done that before as to not break UK (who releases games on Friday IIRC) street love

Nope, it's still fucking not. Honestly, the one ONE damn game I was remotely going to play with any longtime certitude was D3. It's as if Sony are a megalithic corporate behemoth, with a multitude of besuited business heads, more interested in oneupmanship than taking the brand forward.

Bebpo · « **Reply #1883 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:45:42 PM »

Quote from: Takao on April 20, 2012, 03:54:55 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on April 20, 2012, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: Takao on April 20, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
but I feel it could be the most successful PlayStation C.A.M.P. title yet (which isn't a hard bar to break).

So, it might sell more than 1,000 copies?

:'( Patchwork Heroes :'(

Such a great game.

I do like the idea of C.A.M.P. in that it gives gamers cool games. But financially it doesn't seem to help Sony.

Maybe not immediately, but discovering talent and building a relationship with them could provide usefulness in the future. And besides, given who's developing Tokyo Jungle I doubt it's rivaling Gravity Rush or Hot Shots Golf in terms of budget.

And yeah, I'm pretty heart broken towards Patchwork Heroes' performance.

Patchwork Heroes is probably the most fun "budget" game concept I played on psp. It doesn't really have depth to last beyond a few hour game, but the concept of a score based puzzle game where you saw giant airships apart as they fly was very awesome. Hope those guys make another game.

And yeah, I see what you're saying. Even if all these "pick up devs off the street and pay them to make a game" titles are niche and don't sell much. If they make good games it suddenly adds another quality team to Sony's 1st party lineup and down the road building up a bunch of teams like that could be really really helpful.

Like you know, if the Patchwork Hero guys were busy making a Vita title right now.

Takao · « **Reply #1884 on:** April 20, 2012, 05:39:51 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on April 20, 2012, 04:45:42 PM

Patchwork Heroes is probably the most fun "budget" game concept I played on psp. It doesn't really have depth to last beyond a few hour game, but the concept of a score based puzzle game where you saw giant airships apart as they fly was very awesome. Hope those guys make another game.

And yeah, I see what you're saying. Even if all these "pick up devs off the street and pay them to make a game" titles are niche and don't sell much. If they make good games it suddenly adds another quality team to Sony's 1st party lineup and down the road building up a bunch of teams like that could be really really helpful.

Like you know, if the Patchwork Hero guys were busy making a Vita title right now.

Patchwork Heroes was made by Acquire. Acquire has been involved with these Vita games so far:

- Shinobido 2: Revenge of Zen
- Sumioni: Demon Arts
- Orgarhythm
- Badman Calendar*

*= I don't actually know if Acquire is involved with this, but they made all of the PSP Holy Invasion of Privacy Badman/My Lord/No Heroes Allowed games with Sony.

Comparatively Acquire has made 1 3DS game, and it is a port of a PSP game... Acquire was recently purchased by Gungho, who is also a supporter of Vita via GameArts:

- Ragnarok Oddessy
- Dokuro
- Untitled Team Gajet Project

Compared to a grand total of 0 3DS games.

Quote from: Martin Raperman on April 20, 2012, 04:35:55 PM

Quote from: Takao on April 18, 2012, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: Martin Raperman on April 18, 2012, 07:36:11 PM
Cunting Disgaea 3 isn't on eurolands psn. What the shit Sony. Seriously, how about I spend my money on drugs, fine wines and Belgian chocolates for a beautiful lady instead?

It could be up Friday. I believe they've done that before as to not break UK (who releases games on Friday IIRC) street love
Nope, it's still fucking not. Honestly, the one ONE damn game I was remotely going to play with any longtime certitude was D3. It's as if Sony are a megalithic corporate behemoth, with a multitude of besuited business heads, more interested in oneupmanship than taking the brand forward.

What country do you live in? On GAF I swear I read someone said it was up this morning. Does your country usually get NIS games?

Bebpo · « **Reply #1885 on:** April 20, 2012, 05:45:17 PM »

Hmmm... Acquire is a long running medium size developer. But Patchwork Heroes was a C.A.M.P. game. I thought C.A.M.P. games were for unestablished developers? Not sure about the details.

Takao · « **Reply #1886 on:** April 20, 2012, 05:46:55 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on April 20, 2012, 05:45:17 PM

Hmmm... Acquire is a long running medium size developer. But Patchwork Heroes was a C.A.M.P. game. I thought C.A.M.P. games were for unestablished developers? Not sure about the details.

From what I know about C.A.M.P. the idea is that indies pitch Sony a project and they work with one of their partners to make it happen. Cripsy's is the home for Tokyo Jungle, where as Acquire was the home to Patchwork Heroes. I don't actually know who pitched those games so I can't tell you if they're with Sony or those studios.

Bebpo · « **Reply #1887 on:** April 20, 2012, 05:51:42 PM »

But my point is that Acquire isn't indie in the slightest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquire_%28game_developer%29) They've made the Tenchu games and Way of the Samurai games for the last decade along with a bunch of other stuff.

Takao · « **Reply #1888 on:** April 20, 2012, 06:00:40 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on April 20, 2012, 05:51:42 PM

But my point is that Acquire isn't indie in the slightest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquire_%28game_developer%29) They've made the Tenchu games and Way of the Samurai games for the last decade along with a bunch of other stuff.

I think you misunderstood me. I do not mean Acquire is the indie, but rather an indie (maybe a single person or two) pitched the game to Sony, and then they partner up that indie with an established crew like Acquire, or even Crispy's. I cannot read Japanese so someone may be better able to make sense of the C.A.M.P. program based on their website.

I do know Grasshopper Manufacture is doing a similar program with game design students across Japan for Vita games too.

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #1889 on:** April 20, 2012, 06:30:57 PM »

CAMP isnt the best of acronyms.

Takao · « **Reply #1890 on:** April 20, 2012, 07:20:45 PM »

Takao · « **Reply #1891 on:** April 20, 2012, 09:51:28 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on April 20, 2012, 09:33:32 PM

acquire and game arts, now those are developers i think of when i'm listing sales hits

Because we were talking about sales hits?

Though, to be fair GameArts' Ragnarok Vita game is actually one of the best selling Vita games in Japan. But that obviously isn't saying much.

Tasty · « **Reply #1892 on:** April 20, 2012, 10:52:04 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on April 20, 2012, 10:05:45 PM

The Camp program is good in principle, like so many things Sony does, but really isn't going anywhere in practice, like so many things Sony does.

God Oscar if they made a book of your best posts I would buy it up in a second.

Oscar wisdom

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1893 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:01:27 PM »

I'm starting to feel there are too many hands jerking Oscars hairy cock these days. Some of them aren't even legal. Take a break, boys.

Tasty · « **Reply #1894 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:04:39 PM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 20, 2012, 11:01:27 PM

I'm starting to feel there are too many hands jerking Oscars hairy cock these days. Some of them aren't even legal. Take a break, boys.

I can do whatever I want you're not my dad.

You're much better looking.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1895 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:29:36 PM »

Nintendo Direct is great so far. It's a one stop that instantly reminds me why I should hold onto my 3DS. Even with little (no?) new game announcements, the tight format and amount of footage is enough to placate me.

OMG FOLDERS

Tasty · « **Reply #1896 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:34:17 PM »

FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS
And a patch for MK7's Wuhu island exploit.

Wait, what is this "patch" they speak of??

Nintendo

Sony

Project X Zone looks crazy cool as well, if it's not actually a pure fighter and it comes out here I'll definitely check it out.

Edit- DLC out the ass for Fire Emblem, MH Tri G, and Theatrhythm. No surprise. Don't know whether to be

or

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1897 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:41:19 PM »

Project X Zone looks almost exactly like Capcom X Namco, and that game was kinda meh and never made it outside of Japan (I had to rely on translations). I can't muster excitement, sorry.

What was the Kid Icarus announcement? It came right after the MK7 patch bit so I thought controls were getting patched as well

(Holy thread hijack, Batman)

Tasty · « **Reply #1898 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:43:17 PM »

NSMB2 in AUGUST

VITA DEAD(ER)
Hopefully it's based on the Wii one, which aside from multiplayer (or maybe it'll have that too) it should be.

Takao for doubting Nintendo Directs.

Takao · « **Reply #1899 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:51:23 PM »

Another week closer I get to two years without seeing even a logo for Medarot 3D.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #1900 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:10:03 AM »

Quote from: Andrex on April 20, 2012, 11:43:17 PM

NSMB2 in AUGUST

VITA DEAD(ER)
Hopefully it's based on the Wii one, which aside from multiplayer (or maybe it'll have that too) it should be.

Takao for doubting Nintendo Directs.

Quote from: Andrex on April 20, 2012, 11:34:17 PM

FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS FOLDERS
And a patch for MK7's Wuhu island exploit.

Wait, what is this "patch" they speak of??

Nintendo

Sony

Project X Zone looks crazy cool as well, if it's not actually a pure fighter and it comes out here I'll definitely check it out.

Edit- DLC out the ass for Fire Emblem, MH Tri G, and Theatrhythm. No surprise. Don't know whether to be or

maybe you can check out some of these exciting new games and features on the best buy 3ds display unit

Tasty · « **Reply #1901 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:10:43 AM »

Next paycheck (1st) I'm getting a 3DS. THIS IS FINAL

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 20, 2012, 11:41:19 PM

What was the Kid Icarus announcement? It came right after the MK7 patch bit so I thought controls were getting patched as well

I think they're just going to release a music CD and bundle for it, or something.

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 20, 2012, 11:41:19 PM

(Holy thread hijack, Batman)

I think it's fine since Vita won't be around much longer anyways.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1902 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:13:28 AM »

What's this Medarot game Takao keeps bringing up in almost every 3DS thread? Is it really good or are we just trying to find an excuse pout?

Tasty · « **Reply #1903 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:14:18 AM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 21, 2012, 12:13:28 AM

What's this Medarot game Takao keeps bringing up in almost every 3DS thread? Is it really good or are we just trying to find an excuse pout?

Doesn't exist AFAIK, might be vaporware.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #1904 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:14:41 AM »

real talk, you're kind of getting fucking annoying, andrex

Tasty · « **Reply #1905 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:17:14 AM »

Quote from: Dr. Feelbad on April 21, 2012, 12:14:41 AM

real talk, you're kind of getting fucking annoying, andrex

I'm being annoying on purpose.

I'm pretty jazzed about these announcements, but at like 1/20 the level projected in those posts. I just thought it'd be fun to post so in a Vita thread.

Blame Shaka for opening the pandora's box~

Bebpo · « **Reply #1906 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:17:58 AM »

Vita might pick up in June for a bit with Gundam, Persona, some other stuff. But by August they're going to be back to sub-10k again and now whatever they announce for the August-Oct season is going to be hit hard by NSMB2 topping the charts every week and bumping 3DS sales. 2012 is looking pretty dire for Vita. I think their one hope is to use 2012 to announce a bunch of COOL GAMES for 2013 and then roll them out on a consistent basis for the year to allow Vita to recover.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #1907 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:20:42 AM »

it was cute at first, but it's turning into gamefaqsian threadshitting

i mean, i at least own the system (although, much like yourself i don't own a 3DS)

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1908 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:20:42 AM »

Quote from: Andrex on April 21, 2012, 12:17:14 AM

Blame Shaka for opening the pandora's box~

Hey, I'm not the one posting 99pt scrolling text. I got my shit together.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1909 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:51:12 AM »

I'm not into twinks. I'm more into self-loathing sega fandaddies myself, but I hate sharing. Remember when I was the only sucking your cock? good times.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1910 on:** April 21, 2012, 12:53:25 AM »

Trent Dole · « **Reply #1911 on:** April 21, 2012, 01:02:20 AM »

Honestly the most shocking thing about these weekly numbers is what a fucking juggernaut the OG PSP is in nippon land. Goddamn. I continue to want this thing to succeed but uh outlook not so good. Wait for E3?

Bebpo · « **Reply #1912 on:** April 21, 2012, 02:12:33 AM »

You know, I hope this at least means Sony gets the PS4 out day to day with the X720. They were a year late with the PS3 and got smoked by the X360 and now they came in a year late with the Vita and got smoked by the 3DS. You think it would make them catch on that they can't always be playing catch up to someone else's install base that was built in their absence.

Damian79 · « **Reply #1913 on:** April 21, 2012, 04:01:14 AM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 20, 2012, 11:41:19 PM

Project X Zone looks almost exactly like Capcom X Namco, and that game was kinda meh and never made it outside of Japan (I had to rely on translations). I can't muster excitement, sorry.
(Holy thread hijack, Batman)

Eh what? Its a fighting game by Namco and has capcom in it. I see no other similarities. The ingame graphics are quite ugly(thoguth they were sprites at first). It seems to have more in common with MvC3 than the other game from the youtube vids of it. Also the Hp bar seems to be at the bottom 0_o. It also has nubers popping when you do damage. It looks genuinely unique to me. I coudl be shit but it looks nothign like that game you mentioned.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1914 on:** April 21, 2012, 04:32:14 AM »

What the fuck are you talking about?

Both are SRPGs with 2vs.2 battles and neither are fighters or play like fighters. They share similarities both inside and outside of battles. Banpretso is the developer this time instead of Monolith, but the direction is definitely there.

magus · « **Reply #1915 on:** April 21, 2012, 04:44:36 AM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 21, 2012, 12:13:28 AM

What's this Medarot game Takao keeps bringing up in almost every 3DS thread? Is it really good or are we just trying to find an excuse pout?

it's pokemon,WITH ROBOTS

Damian79 · « **Reply #1916 on:** April 21, 2012, 04:51:31 AM »

Er sorry i was looking at the wrong youtube vid.

Yeah it does look similar.

Damian79 · « **Reply #1917 on:** April 21, 2012, 04:53:20 AM »

Quote from: magus on April 21, 2012, 04:44:36 AM

Quote from: Shaka Khan on April 21, 2012, 12:13:28 AM
What's this Medarot game Takao keeps bringing up in almost every 3DS thread? Is it really good or are we just trying to find an excuse pout?

it's pokemon,WITH ROBOTS

Dont you dare mock medarot. DX

magus · « **Reply #1918 on:** April 21, 2012, 04:57:59 AM »

wha? no no no,i love medabot,it's a shame there's been only one translated in english

Akala · « **Reply #1919 on:** April 21, 2012, 10:20:43 AM »

Quote from: Andrex on April 21, 2012, 12:17:14 AM

I'm being annoying on purpose.

We know. This coupled with your opinions is maybe why people don't take you as seriously as you'd like? Also, why would any sensible person buy a 3DS now with E3 right around the corner? Do you really think the CIRCLE PAD PRO is their long-term solution? Assuming there is no price drop announced to clear out the shit in circulation, of course. Maybe they'll do an ambassador rehash to make things right.

News:

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