the first 3DS games that get me all wet

[magus]

oh who i'm kidding,this is never coming in an understandable language

[Joe Molotov]

Final Fantasy: Teat Rhythm

[Cerveza mas fina]

Japan

3DS

rythym games r better in 3D

[magus]

Final Fantasy: Teat Rhythm

this is driving me crazy but i'm the only one who got the title as theatre rhythm?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Final Fantasy: Teat Rhythm

this is driving me crazy but i'm the only one who got the title as theatre rhythm?

I had a dream last night where I bitched out Nomura in Japanese about how dumb the title to this game is, and how he should leave English game names to people who speak English. I was remarkably livid

I keep reading it "Threat Rhythm"

[Herr Mafflard]

Fia-trhythm? Feet-rhythm?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Fia-trhythm? Feet-rhythm?

Theat'rhythm

[magus]

I had a dream last night where I bitched out Nomura in Japanese about how dumb the title to this game is, and how he should leave English game names to people who speak English. I was remarkably livid

I keep reading it "Threat Rhythm"

oh come on they just mashed two english words together,at this point we might as well complain about blazblue

[Diunx]

This is so sad.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I've decided the full name of the game is: Threat Rhythm: Shinjuku Happy Snipers

[Howard Alan Treesong]

[Tasty]

well, by default it's going to be a better game than disshitia.

so i guess that's something.

But duckroll said that game was good. 

[EmCeeGrammar]

well, by default it's going to be a better game than disshitia.

so i guess that's something.

But duckroll said that game was good. 

Duckroll has terrible taste in everything.

[magus]

Squeenix keeps shitting on its fans and they take it like the whores they are 

Also duckroll is cool.

uh... what?
it's a rhythm game with probable rpg element and a total offbeat art style...

no wait actualy let me rephrase that,it's a rhythm game with a 80% chance of featuring stuff like this

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this is what i want to play,leave the people whining about "HD TOWNS" on neogaf

[EmCeeGrammar]

duckroll likes New Vegas.

Feel free to be eviscerated, EmCee.

But this just proves my point.  Also, likes the transformers movies.  Also likes Kingdom Hearts.

[Damian79]

Nothing wrong wiht liking transformers movies if you like watching giant robots battle it out.

[Diunx]

Liking transformers was the reason we lepered willco, we don't like his sort here.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Congratulations Wrath, you catapulted a twit like Nomura to superstar game designer status and obliterated SE's output quality.  All your fault, all your fault ()

edit:  I remember Duckroll liking Okami.  That game sucks too. Duckroll is like the slimy epitome of eyecandy>substance.

[Himu]

Kingdom Hearts games are really good, and Nomura's projects are among the better ones at S-E these days.

Unlike most at S-E, Nomura actually listens to fans. I really like him.

[Himu]

kingdom hearts came out before the merger.

In fact, it came out in NA the week FFX-2 was announced in Famitsu. I remember because I was scouring Square boards for tips on Cerberus at the arena and they announced X-2.

X-2 came out in Japan before the merger, it was the first game with the S-E logo in the west however.

[magus]

Kingdom Hearts games are really good, and Nomura's projects are among the better ones at S-E these days.

Unlike most at S-E, Nomura actually listens to fans. I really like him.

yea for all the piss nomura gets,he's basicaly what makes squaresoft ticking,i really wish he would go making his own studio so he could pimp slap mistwalkers

[Shaka Khan]

I played the first Dissidia and really liked it. This looks like it might be good, if it's the supposed sequel to Dissida. And that art-style Kawaii-nyaaaaa =^_^=

3DS

[Howard Alan Treesong]

this game looks like a shit sandwich (two all-shit patties, shitty sauce, shittuce, shit, shittles, shityuns, all on a sesame shit bun)

[Himu]

I played the first Dissidia and really liked it. This looks like it might be good, if it's the supposed sequel to Dissida. And that art-style Kawaii-nyaaaaa =^_^=

3DS

I think it's adorable and unique as well.

People complain S-E never puts out interesting products but they do. It's just that people never buy them.

Getting this.

[pilonv1]

well, by default it's going to be a better game than disshitia.

talk about setting the bar low

you may as well have said it's better than Dirge

[Bebpo]

Dissidia 012 is good, wtf is wrong with you people?!?

Now this game looks distinguished mentally-challenged

[Shaka Khan]

Did they release 012 in the west? if not, will they release it?

[Great Rumbler]

Did they release 012 in the west? if not, will they release it?

It came out back in March.

[Shaka Khan]

I had no idea. Guess I'm gonna try that after finishing OoT.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Disshitia is my new metric for determining whether or not people's recommends are worth listening to.  If a person thinks Disshitia is a good game, their tastes are in such a different universe from mine that the only way we're going to have any liked games in common is through sheer coincidence.

I had never gotten around to playing the original one but heard a lot of fairly positive stuff about it, so when I had some free bucks and time I picked up Deweydecimal 12 or whatever.  Going into it my expectations were somewhere around... Master of Teras Kasi level.  I really didn't expect it to cruise under those expectations but it did so with ease.  It's like the Masters of Teras Kasi of Virtual On, except even more terrible.  Seriously one of the worst things I've played in years.

this

I went in expecting a 5/10 game with oodles of fan service, got something much much worse

which is worse, unplayable or non-playable? well, whichever is worse, that's Dissidia

[Shaka Khan]

I only played the first, but I don't expect the second to be worse. I remember the different elements meshing well, the fighting itself had a tug-of-war feeling (brave pool system and whatnot), and the ability/equipment system having depth that curbed some of the linearity when I finally earned some of the advanced offensive and defensive skills. My main criticism though was the really cheap AI at the highest difficulties, and it can also get very grindy if you don't know how to manipulate the EXP and AP system.

It was obviously loaded with fan-service and a shitty, superfluous story mode with fully voiced cutscenes, but when I phased that out I realized there was a solid game concept at the core that I enjoyed for many hours.

[cool breeze]

I played dissidia for a couple hours when I went to germany because it was the main game I brought with me.  It's alright.  I'm partial to arena fighters, and mechanically it's weak compared to most; too shallow and slow, ignoring the rpg stuff.  But it kept me entertained for parts of the plane flight and late nights.  Thankfully 17 Again was on the in flight entertainment list (good movie, for real!)
 

[Himu]

i haven't played Dissidia outside of the demo which was alright

[Shaka Khan]

I played dissidia for a couple hours when I went to germany because it was the main game I brought with me.  It's alright.  I'm partial to arena fighters, and mechanically it's weak compared to most; too shallow and slow, ignoring the rpg stuff.  But it kept me entertained for parts of the plane flight and late nights.  Thankfully 17 Again was on the in flight entertainment list (good movie, for real!)

The game at later levels ends up being more about the strategizing the advanced equipment and skill-sets, rather than the fighting mechanics. The outcomes are mostly set the minute you enter the arena. So in that respect, yes, the fights itself can get very shallow.

[Bebpo]

The fights are more like Phantom Dust where it's the strategy of skills and attacks you take into battle that decide 80% of the fight, with 20% being in-battle skill and luck.

The first Dissidia was awful.  It had a boring boring boring story mode and the gameplay was just ok.  The Dissidia 2, aka 012 is about 20x better.  The story mode is shorter and more to the point, the assist system adds SO MUCH DEPTH and makes it into a solid arena fighter.  The modes are plentiful with some really great stuff like Labrinyth.  The costumes and music are great and nostalgia++++++++ and there's lots of loot.

Is it as deep as VIRTUA ON OT?  Well no, but that's basically the fucking pinnacle of arena fighters in terms of depth.  Though 012 has more modes, loot, and everything else than OT.  Is Dissidia 012 deeper than say Powerstone or Gundam Vs.?  Probably or at least on par and again with far more content and better music.

I feel totally comfortable putting 012 at least at an 8/10 and going by the reviews and general fan consensus I think that's about where most put it as well.  (original was more like a 6/10)

[Himu]

This Theatreatrhythm game is developed by Jupiter, it seems.  They're the ones who did TWEWY (yay), Picross (yay), Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories (arrrgh), and Pokemon Pinball (yay).  So definitely better than Dissidia.

That is one of the more unique and interesting handheld rpgs made. I can't believe you!

[Himu]

Well at least you admit that Jupiter often does some pretty interesting ideas in games.

So here we are again, with another very interesting and unique looking S-E property and fans are STILL bitching.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

hmm, I love all those games INCLUDING Chain of Memories, sooooo too bad about that title I guess

[demi]

KH Chain of Memories

[Bebpo]

but if you're anything less than cockbutted for FF, it's a 5 or worse.

not one person in the world would care about dissidia if it didn't have the FF license

I take offense to this.  The fighting system in 012 with the added assist system, balanced movelists, and greater variety in environments is a very solid arena fighter.  Especially when you play Labyrinth mode which takes out stats/levels entirely and makes it a pure skill on skill fighter.  I'd definitely put it above Powerstone and in the B-tier arena fighters sitting just below the cream of the crop like Virtual On/Phantom Dust (although...honestly I think 012 plays as well as PD, PD just has the addicting card collection element + great online + better atmosphere).

Honestly, I don't get where your hate for the gameplay is coming from.  What exactly was your beef with the gameplay in 012?  For everything you can dish, there is a punishment.  The game is high risk/reward and has everything you'd expect from modern day fighting games like combo breaks, parries, dodges, homing dashes.  Plus speeding up everything in 012 got rid of the long cat and mouse chases that plagued the original.

The only things lacking are a real online mode, a PD style (beat somewhere and earn one of their attacks at random), and maybe some more stage interaction, smaller stages in general, and larger movelists.  Is it a 10/10 fighting game?  No, but even without the FF branding, it'd easily be at least an Arcana Heart, 7.5ish, fighting game.  With all the great FF music, visuals, and nostalgia it's easily an 8+

[bork]

but if you're anything less than cockbutted for FF, it's a 5 or worse.

not one person in the world would care about dissidia if it didn't have the FF license

I take offense to this.  The fighting system in 012 with the added assist system, balanced movelists, and greater variety in environments is a very solid arena fighter.  Especially when you play Labyrinth mode which takes out stats/levels entirely and makes it a pure skill on skill fighter.  I'd definitely put it above Powerstone and in the B-tier arena fighters sitting just below the cream of the crop like Virtual On/Phantom Dust (although...honestly I think 012 plays as well as PD, PD just has the addicting card collection element + great online + better atmosphere).

Honestly, I don't get where your hate for the gameplay is coming from.  What exactly was your beef with the gameplay in 012?  For everything you can dish, there is a punishment.  The game is high risk/reward and has everything you'd expect from modern day fighting games like combo breaks, parries, dodges, homing dashes.  Plus speeding up everything in 012 got rid of the long cat and mouse chases that plagued the original.

The only things lacking are a real online mode, a PD style (beat somewhere and earn one of their attacks at random), and maybe some more stage interaction, smaller stages in general, and larger movelists.  Is it a 10/10 fighting game?  No, but even without the FF branding, it'd easily be at least an Arcana Heart, 7.5ish, fighting game.  With all the great FF music, visuals, and nostalgia it's easily an 8+

I have not played the sequel, but the original bored me to tears with its simplistic game play.  This is not the type of game I'd be putting on par with Arcana Heart...it's more in the arena fighter along the lines of the games you mentioned.

Agree with Oscar that nobody would care if not for the license.  But then, without it...this game wouldn't have been made in the first place!

[Shaka Khan]

I'm just gonna risk an account ban and say: haters gonna hate!

[Bebpo]

but if you're anything less than cockbutted for FF, it's a 5 or worse.

not one person in the world would care about dissidia if it didn't have the FF license

I take offense to this.  The fighting system in 012 with the added assist system, balanced movelists, and greater variety in environments is a very solid arena fighter.  Especially when you play Labyrinth mode which takes out stats/levels entirely and makes it a pure skill on skill fighter.  I'd definitely put it above Powerstone and in the B-tier arena fighters sitting just below the cream of the crop like Virtual On/Phantom Dust (although...honestly I think 012 plays as well as PD, PD just has the addicting card collection element + great online + better atmosphere).

Honestly, I don't get where your hate for the gameplay is coming from.  What exactly was your beef with the gameplay in 012?  For everything you can dish, there is a punishment.  The game is high risk/reward and has everything you'd expect from modern day fighting games like combo breaks, parries, dodges, homing dashes.  Plus speeding up everything in 012 got rid of the long cat and mouse chases that plagued the original.

The only things lacking are a real online mode, a PD style (beat somewhere and earn one of their attacks at random), and maybe some more stage interaction, smaller stages in general, and larger movelists.  Is it a 10/10 fighting game?  No, but even without the FF branding, it'd easily be at least an Arcana Heart, 7.5ish, fighting game.  With all the great FF music, visuals, and nostalgia it's easily an 8+

I have not played the sequel, but the original bored me to tears with its simplistic game play.  This is not the type of game I'd be putting on par with Arcana Heart...it's more in the arena fighter along the lines of the games you mentioned.

Agree with Oscar that nobody would care if not for the license.  But then, without it...this game wouldn't have been made in the first place!

Well that's the thing.  I freely admit the original sucked.  I made the fact that I thought the game sucked very public when it was released and when I beat it; I think I gave it like a 5/10.  It was shallow, super broken, and the story mode was boring with the worst cutscenes known to man.  I wasn't going to buy the sequel even though I'm a big FF fan, but then I played the demo and thought it felt better and that the assist system had the possibility to add the extra depth to make it a solid fun fighter.

And so I picked up the sequel and for 90% of it, it was.  The post-game 000 mode is pretty bullshit and the game still lacks ONLINE PLAY without ad-hoc, but the sequel is the game the first one intended to be.  It's one of those series like ZoE or AC where the first game was the testbed of concept and the 2nd game is the coming together of the actual mechanics.

I'd recommend giving it a shot when it's cheap one day, especially if you have human friends with psps to play against.

[magus]

i don't see this huge leap that bebpo see,for example bebpo talks about the assist mechanic but the assist bar is so slow to fill that it's rare that more than one assist attack happen in a single fight

personaly i thought the original was an okay game that you indeed played more for the OST than the game and with the sequel it was more or less the same thing

[Bebpo]

Your assist bar fills depending on how much you attack.  If you don't attack you actually lose meter.  The more frequently you attack, the faster it fills. It's an anti-turtle mechanic to keep the matches fast and intense.  If you're constantly attacking, dodging, parrying you're going to have meter all the freaking time and will be able to throw out defensive assists, or offensive traps/combo-extenders.

[bork]

It's not like his word is law or that I agree with all of his opinions, but over at Versus City, Reno said:

I don’t think very highly of the actual battle system though, because it seems that it’s a game that doesn’t allow for emergent tactics. You’re going to see the same type of combos during the first week that you’ll see after the first year, despite all efforts to customize characters. There’s simply not enough moves in the game to accommodate an evolution in play. However that doesn’t mean the game should be completely written off; if this game was in the hands of an established fighting game developer like Namco or Sega, I think it would have the chance to become the “third pillar” for fighting games, to exist alongside traditional 2D and 3D fighters. Past games like Powerstone and Ehrgeiz have made attempts to break the mold, and I feel that Dissidia could have done the same thing if it wasn’t on a platform that’s for all intents and purposes dead outside of Japan. I just hope that other developers are checking this game out and get some, ahem, inspiration for their own titles.

And when I read his impressions, that was pretty much enough for me.  The game has a ton of single player content which is great n' all, except that A) I'm not a fan of the games these characters are based on and B) I don't give a lick about playing a fighting game SINGLE PLAYER.  No online = LOLNOWAY.  I will make exceptions when I can use a portable version of a game to practice for the console version though.

Maybe if they port it to PSN with online play, I'll check it out.

[CurseoftheGods]

dissidia is so shit that it's embarrassing

[Shaka Khan]

It gets REALLY GOOD 30 - 40 hours in. You should have stuck with it, totally worth it.

[naff]

[Bebpo]

It gets good after about 3 mins, but I'm not going to try to convince anyone here of that.

I've give you that the game is extremely complicated and obtuse and doesn't explain itself very well.  I can see how if you don't grasp all the gameplay systems how it could seem like you'd need to grind to beat higher level opponents.  But when you get how everything works and good strategies, you shouldn't ever have to grind until the post-game 000 scenario which is where the bullshit AI with 9999 HP and cheap accessories comes in. 

Actually I'll make an exception, you might need to grind Kuja for his one optional side-mission because his starting movelist sucks.