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...why doesn't said country just say 'sure bro, but if you leave and take the jobs, your product/service is banned'

Big corps like to threaten first world countries they will pack up and leave. But they still rely on our hard currency to make profits. So next time someone wants to shift a few thousand jobs to some piss poor country someone should just say they won't be allowed to earn hard cash here either.

If you love the 3rd world so much and hate it here, try selling your 50k cars in China fuckers.

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« Last Edit: September 29, 2011, 04:41:26 AM by Premium Lager »

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Yeah people seem to forget these rules aren't set in stone.

It's a social contract, if one party isn't doing their part why should the other play by the rules.

I like the patent idea.

Move your production to Bangladesh but expect Euro's and US folk to fork over cash? Fuck you.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2011, 04:44:19 AM by Premium Lager »

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If you love the 3rd world so much and hate it here, try selling your 50k cars in China fuckers.

seems like a plan

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In December alone, automakers in the country shipped 1.3 million sedans, sport utility vehicles and multi-purpose vehicles to dealers, but they still couldn't keep up with demand.

"Small cars were selling like hot cakes in recent weeks as people wanted to take advantage of the incentives before it was too late," said Meng Yi, a Chevrolet dealer based in Shanghai.

"Instead of getting any year-end bargain deals, people were actually paying full price upfront and getting the cars months later as many models were out of stock a while ago."
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Who cares Hyo.

:piss Corporations :piss2

I've been in China, towns are full of migrant workers sleeping on the streets. Thats where the west is heading if we keep bending over for corporations.

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Thought you worked in Ireland? Don't they still have the lowest corporate tax in europe, which means they are in fact bending over to corporations? Not calling you a migrant worker, btw... oh wait
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Ireland is bent over so far they can practically lick their own cornhole to lubricate it for the big corporate cock.

Working abroad is not the same as being a migrant worker, but with a degree in t-shirt design that may be hard to grasp.

PS: You can totally put that on a t-shirt and earn some kroner, since the last I heard you were looking for a job.

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I'm not really mad at you Hyo, you're my second fav swede on this board.
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No bad feelings here either. Hehe :heartbeat

I don't have a degree, btw
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I got a new job as a truck driver

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Congrats man, you can finally be legit wearing those trucker caps  :pimp



You doing international rides too?

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Dude in Ireland if youre sick for more then 3 days in a row THE STATE picks up the bill.

That's just wrong.

In the Netherlands I think it's companies responsibility to take care of you for like up to a year.

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You doing international rides too?

Is that an invite?  :-*
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What kind of ride are we talking here?

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You tell me  :-*
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If we get stuck in snow in the northern reaches of sweden we would have the use our combined body heat to stay alive...

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Yeah fuck piss poor countries! who do they thing they are getting jobs an increasing their quality of life!
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Yeah fuck piss poor countries! who do they thing they are getting jobs an increasing their quality of life!
Exactly.  It's not my fault Mexico and DR and other places like that don't have any innovative thinkers to create the next big thing and raise their country out of the toilet.  If siphoning off my wealth means increasing their quality of life, then fuck them!

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I'm just playing.  1st World brats want nice things cheap but they don't want the shit wages involved in manufacturing them at that price point.
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Its not competing its exploiting people either way. Shit should be made and built locally.

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Lager just to be clear, are you talking about just factory work or general outsourcing? because I work for an American company doing shit that some Americans were doing last year and I don't really feel exploited.
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We should assassinate their Presidents and CEOs and install puppet leaders, 3rd world style.
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Short answer to OP:  Because of the advantages of international trade both for first world consumers and developing economies, which would be hurt by a retaliatory cycle of protectionism, yadda yadda.  Basically a bunch of neoliberal stuff which, while frequently overstated and used as a justification for bad things, isn't mostly wrong.

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What you're saying is very reasonable, dcharlie, but if every country is forced to keep dropping their corporate tax rates to compete with countries like Ireland, they'll have to make up the budget shortfalls on the backs of their citizens. Which isn't ideal for anyone.
Corporations aren't the ones who pay the corporate tax rates, those same citizens do.

Just eliminate the corporate taxes along with the legal entity and presto, we don't have to worry about corporations anymore.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2011, 10:22:19 PM by benjipwns »

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My job isn't moving anywhere DC, nor is it going too.

You're right on the spot Awesomo.

@Diunx I don't mind people getting jobs, elsewhere but it would be better if it was in support of their OWN economy not someone elses. Otherwise it's not a long term thing and the company will move again. This doesn't promote stability.

The filthy rich want to create a worldwide working class and eliminate the middle class.

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Thought you worked in Ireland? Don't they still have the lowest corporate tax in europe, which means they are in fact bending over to corporations? Not calling you a migrant worker, btw... oh wait

I lol'd so hard I think I woke someone up.

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Guys, this is how Capitalism is.  It sucks but in an environment where ever increasing profits are expected to keep your job at the end of the fiscal its very hard to compete effectively and be socially responsible at the same time.

The only way this could ever be fixed is if there was a major overhaul of the stock market system.  Its become about meeting shareholders demands so that they can quickly flip the stock at a higher price.

Also, 1st world consumers (just like you) are entitled assholes (just like you!) who wouldn't tolerate the prices that reflect a workforce being paid properly.
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My guess is that there are two factors at play here:

1) The pressure to see increased profits, regardless of economic climate

2) The conflation of stock market performance and economic prosperity

I'm not sure how you can fix either.  There are so many people with a 401k that there are millions of people who are just as dependent on Exxon beating their earnings targets than the CEO of Exxon.  That is kind of the rub: that most people's retirements are now held hostage to the system where most people are not going to be cool with their 401k getting dinged for a few hundred dollars because Exxon lost a half percentage point to keep the company from laying anyone off.

Not to mention that most people here on this board benefit significantly from cheaper labor, lower corporate tax rates, etc. when it comes to buying shit.
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From what I understand, it's a bit of the opposite.  That is, shareholders don't have that much influence over things like executive compensation, which seems to be a bigger culprit in terms of American wealth inequality than outsourcing.  Plus, as MCG put it, lower labor costs do lead to cheaper consumer goods, which the middle class is rather fond of.

Honestly, I'm not that worried about jobs moving across borders in a general sense.  Every major developmental success story has involved access to the US and/or European markets, and first world countries have had very healthy booms even in the neoliberal trade era.  The arguments against outsourcing (American citizens need to be protected from foreign labor by being given a monopoly) are basically the same ones made against immigration, which should slow you down a bit if you're a liberal.

It really does suck when a real large segment of an industry leaves, though, because you've got people whose career and work experience suddenly mean very little, through no fault of their own.  We'd probably do better to focus on those cases rather than get angry about any job going to any other country at any time.