Noooooooooooooooooo, not Hercules too! :(

[Oblivion]

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201110170027

He really did go downhill after season 4.  :'( :'( :'(

[chronovore]

What is WRONG with that man? Is this what he is when Iolaus isn't around to keep him from saying stupid stuff?

[Barry Egan]

Meanwhile Lucy Lawless works her ass off getting funds so that children can receive healthcare and is a climate ambassador for Greenpeace.  And I feel confident that she would destroy Sorbo in a deathmatch. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Don't worry guys he's Canadian.

[Phoenix Dark]

god dammit

[Phoenix Dark]

god dammit

The sound of PD realizing he's a reverse racist for voting Obama.

I need to apologize to my white friends, brb

[Damian79]

How isnt he not right though?  The fact that he was black was a factor in the voting of Obama, because people wanted to see a black president for once.  That isnt racism, however people should vote based on policies.  The only policiy i remember from Obama is "change", his campaign slogan.

[TakingBackSunday]

How isnt he not right though?  The fact that he was black was a factor in the voting of Obama, because people wanted to see a black president for once.  That isnt racism, however people should vote based on policies.  The only policiy i remember from Obama is "change", his campaign slogan.

 

[Great Rumbler]

More like JERKules.

[Madrun Badrun]

Just because you can't remember what Obama's campaign policies were does not make other people racist.

[Phoenix Dark]

How isnt he not right though?  The fact that he was black was a factor in the voting of Obama, because people wanted to see a black president for once.  That isnt racism, however people should vote based on policies.  The only policiy i remember from Obama is "change", his campaign slogan.

I'd imagine some people voted for Obama because he was black, just as some didn't vote for him because he was black. It wasn't the defining issue that drove enough of his votes or not votes, regardless.

90% of blacks voted for Al Gore. Did they vote for him because he was white?

[Damian79]

I'd imagine some people voted for Obama because he was black, just as some didn't vote for him because he was black. It wasn't the defining issue that drove enough of his votes or not votes, regardless.

90% of blacks voted for Al Gore. Did they vote for him because he was white?

I am not saying they voted him solely because he was black but it was a factor.  And i am not calling anyone racist for doing so, rather i am calling people superficial.  As for Al Gore maybe because of his policies?  I dunno i didnt wath that election.  I admit i watched the Obama election because i was interested to see if he would be the first black president(unless he is not, i am not learned in American history, i am not American).

[Phoenix Dark]

I'd imagine some people voted for Obama because he was black, just as some didn't vote for him because he was black. It wasn't the defining issue that drove enough of his votes or not votes, regardless.

90% of blacks voted for Al Gore. Did they vote for him because he was white?

I am not saying they voted him solely because he was black but it was a factor.  And i am not calling anyone racist for doing so, rather i am calling people superficial.  As for Al Gore maybe because of his policies?  I dunno i didnt wath that election.  I admit i watched the Obama election because i was interested to see if he would be the first black president(unless he is not, i am not learned in American history, i am not American).

So black people voted for Gore based on his policies, yet with Obama...what? I'd imagine race was a factor for some, as I said; and yes that is a superficial reason to vote. But ultimately it was negligible to the results. Obama won a landslide election because people believed he could fix the economy (lol!) and agreed with him on a host of issues (Iraq, energy, etc)

The vast majority of people vote based on who they think agrees with them, who they trust, and who they think can defend the country. So whenever someone wants to talk about Obama's race being a factor I can't help but role my eyes that they're focusing on a slim minority of voters.

[Damian79]

I would think that with a majority of voters it woudl have been an issue.  I mean it isnt often you see a black presidential candidate who talks well and seems to have a good head on his shoulders, i believe that alone made people look at him seriously as a predential candidate, heck that is why i looked at him and i am not even American.

[Damian79]

Some stats.

http://www.asian-nation.org/headlines/2008/11/14-exit-poll-statistics-about-obamas-victory/

■95% of African Americans, 66% of Latinos, and 61% of Asian Americans voted for Obama. Along with the previous statistic, what this tells us is that while large numbers of Whites supported Obama, ultimately non-Whites helped put him over the top.

■Obama received 49% of all the male votes (vs. 48% for McCain) and 56% of the female votes (vs. 43% for McCain). But once you break it down by race, Obama only received 41% of the White male vote (vs. 57% for McCain) and 46% of the White female vote (vs. 53% for McCain).

■9% of voters said that the candidate’s race was an important factor and of those, 53% voted for Obama.

■58% of voters said that issues, rather than personal qualities, were more important to them and of those, 60% voted for Obama. In contrast, 59% of those who believed personal qualities were more important to them voted for McCain.

I really doubt that only 9% of voters really thoguht that the race was an important factor though when 95% of black people voted for Obama.

[Phoenix Dark]

So your own exit poll numbers show that less than 10% of the electorate voted for Obama because he's black, but you dismiss this because 95% of blacks voted for him? And those same numbers show almost two thirds of Obama voters said issues were more important than personal qualities, but that doesn't matter since they voted for him based on "change" and "hope" right?

Let's go back to Al Gore. What percentage of that 90% voted for Gore because he was white? Better yet, if Hermain Cain magically becomes the republican nominee for president next year, who will black people vote for and why?

[Madrun Badrun]

PD what he is saying is not only are all black people racists but liars as well.

[Great Rumbler]

PD what he is saying is not only are black people racists but liars as well.

[Stoney Mason]

White dude says incredibly dumb thing about race. If only I had a nickel...

[Damian79]

So your own exit poll numbers show that less than 10% of the electorate voted for Obama because he's black, but you dismiss this because 95% of blacks voted for him? And those same numbers show almost two thirds of Obama voters said issues were more important than personal qualities, but that doesn't matter since they voted for him based on "change" and "hope" right?

Let's go back to Al Gore. What percentage of that 90% voted for Gore because he was white? Better yet, if Hermain Cain magically becomes the republican nominee for president next year, who will black people vote for and why?

Black people vote for Democrats because it like thier norm to vote for democrat.  I just looked it up.  But still that is 50% of black voters who normally dont vote democrat that voted democrat.  And i am saying everybody is lying about the fact that Obama being black isnt relevant to the vote.  Even white people were probably swayed by it one way or the other.  Meh, maybe i am wrong but i doubt it.  Everybody has an opinion on race.  In general white peopel prefer white, black people prefer black, the chinese hate everybody(jk).

[Dickie Dee]

■9% of voters said that the candidate’s race was an important factor and of those, 53% voted for Obama.

So Obama got 53% of the overall popular vote, and 53% of people who said race was a factor.

What a game-changer

[Phoenix Dark]

So your own exit poll numbers show that less than 10% of the electorate voted for Obama because he's black, but you dismiss this because 95% of blacks voted for him? And those same numbers show almost two thirds of Obama voters said issues were more important than personal qualities, but that doesn't matter since they voted for him based on "change" and "hope" right?

Let's go back to Al Gore. What percentage of that 90% voted for Gore because he was white? Better yet, if Hermain Cain magically becomes the republican nominee for president next year, who will black people vote for and why?

Black people vote for Democrats because it like thier norm to vote for democrat.  I just looked it up.  But still that is 50% of black voters who normally dont vote democrat that voted democrat.  And i am saying everybody is lying about the fact that Obama being black isnt relevant to the vote.  Even white people were probably swayed by it one way or the other.  Meh, maybe i am wrong but i doubt it.  Everybody has an opinion on race.  In general white peopel prefer white, black people prefer black, the chinese hate everybody(jk).

Why is it their norm to vote democrat? Because they tend to agree with democrats, and know democrats support issues that matter to them perhaps? So with that in mind, how can you say most blacks voted for Obama because he was black?

But still that is 50% of black voters who normally dont vote democrat that voted democrat

Do you mean large numbers of blacks who don't normally vote at all came out to vote because Obama was on the ticket? That's true; blacks came out in droves in 2008. But so did young people, Hispanics, Arabs, and nearly every minority. There was a certain level of pride and enthusiasm especially among blacks, but that's no more different than the pride and enthusiasm Irish Americans had for JFK, or southerners have for southern candidates.

[Damian79]

My friend pointed out something important about the whole issue.  Apparently Americans had poor government with the Republicans for the previous 2 terms such that a coconut would have won it for the democrats and that the fact that eh was black probably hurt him more thanit helped him.  Woudl you agree with that?

[Phoenix Dark]

My friend pointed out something important about the whole issue.  Apparently Americans had poor government with the Republicans for the previous 2 terms such that a coconut would have won it for the democrats and that the fact that eh was black probably hurt him more thanit helped him.  Woudl you agree with that?

McCain was toast, almost whoever got the nomination would have beaten him. If it was Hillary, she'd be president. Perhaps the only way McCain could have won is if John Edwards had gotten the nomination; news of his affair would have destroyed his campaign.

Being black didn't hurt Obama, but being mixed definitely helped him imo. I honestly believe part of the reason the right's nonstop race related smears and insinuations on Obama never stuck is because he was raised by white people; it's harder to smear someone as a anti-white when half his family is white. He also had no ties to the Civil Rights movement either, which helped.

Even with his poll numbers sinking, most people still like him personally

[Damian79]

Why is it their norm to vote democrat? Because they tend to agree with democrats, and know democrats support issues that matter to them perhaps? So with that in mind, how can you say most blacks voted for Obama because he was black?

Most blacks voted for obama because he is probably a demmocrat and he is black.  Same way that most white poeple voted against him(only 41% of white people voted for him).  Its just human nature.  It would have played a bigger part in the Hilary versus Obama thing.  Because there are more black democrat voters.

Do you mean large numbers of blacks who don't normally vote at all came out to vote because Obama was on the ticket? That's true; blacks came out in droves in 2008. But so did young people, Hispanics, Arabs, and nearly every minority. There was a certain level of pride and enthusiasm especially among blacks, but that's no more different than the pride and enthusiasm Irish Americans had for JFK, or southerners have for southern candidates.

Yeah.

Even with his poll numbers sinking, most people still like him personally

I dont think you can really hate Obama.  I am simply frustrated with him with his lack of guts.  When you have a campaign slogan "change" poeple are goign to look for "change" and not the small coins kind.

[Phoenix Dark]

So most white people voted against him because he's black? And none of this "it's human nature" nonsense. People vote based on far more important things than race, at least nationally; things are different in some areas of the country.

Explain to me how Obama destroyed Hillary across the entire country when the vast majority of primary voters were white?

[Oblivion]

I'm reminded of an amusing conversation with my previous inbreeder roommates where they all claimed that 90-95% of black people who were eligible to vote in 2004 didn't bother to vote until 2008. I asked them where they got their info (all 3 seemed to have gotten it from the same source, whatever it was), and they just kept saying it was 'common knowledge'. We actually spent a good chunk of the night trying to calculate if the claim was true or not. Sure enough, by THEIR OWN math, the numbers didn't add up, and grudgingly changed the subject. This of course didn't stop them from repeating the same bullshit statistic later on in the week to one of our friends. Good times.

[Damian79]

Well not just because hes black but it played a part.  It always plays a part.  How many black friends versus white friends do you have, i bet it isnt 50/50.  In all cultures there is some level of racism.  Because poeple like people who are similar to them.  Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode.

[Oblivion]

Explain to me how Obama destroyed Hillary across the entire country when the vast majority of primary voters were white?

White guilt?

[Phoenix Dark]

Well not just because hes black but it played a part.  It always plays a part.  How many black friends versus white friends do you have, i bet it isnt 50/50.  In all cultures there is some level of racism.  Because poeple like people who are similar to them.  Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode.

There's a difference between racism and socio-economic environment, demographics, etc. A black person is more likely to live around other blacks, often in an urban environment. Having friends of the same ethnic group doesn't make you racist, it means you live around more people who are like you.

What country are you from?

[Damian79]

Australia, but i was born in Sri Lanka.  Anyway back to topic.  In schools in Australia you see ethnic groups stick to their own ethnic groups it is just normal imo.

[chronovore]

Just because you can't remember what Obama's campaign policies were does not make other people racist.

EPIC VICTORY. If you could summon this kind of wit in front of "the fairer sex," you would be a god.