Author Topic: RIP Joe Paterno, football coach (Read 14170 times)

Phoenix Dark · « **on:** November 09, 2011, 11:40:23 PM »

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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.

The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.

But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.

Speaking at his house to a couple of dozen students, Paterno said, "Right now, I'm not the football coach. And I've got to get used to that. After 61 years, I've got to get used to it. I appreciate it. Let me think it through."

He shook hands with many of the students, some of whom were crying.

Other students were upset. A large crowd descended on the administration building, shouting "We want Joe back!" then headed to Beaver Stadium.

One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower.

Paterno says he should have done more. Spanier has said he was not told the details of the attack.

Sandusky has denied the charges.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state

Charges against Sandusky: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/former-coach-at-penn-state-is-charged-with-abuse.html?_r=2

Good fucking riddance. I can't believe they took this long to fire this pos, who has held the school hostage for a decade. How does any human being hear of someone abusing a child and do nothing about it? Worse yet, how does a human being (Mcqueary) witness a kid getting sodomized in the shower and not do everything possible to ensure the rapist is arrested. Disgusting

Mandark · « **Reply #1 on:** November 09, 2011, 11:42:27 PM »

PD bringing it hard to the pro-molestation lobby.

edit: I'm being snarky cause this feels like one of those episodes where everyone gets to feel good for denouncing something that's obviously wrong, but on second thought (remembering reactions to the Polanski case), there's probably a non-negligible number of people ready to defend JoePa on this.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2 on:** November 09, 2011, 11:45:00 PM »

oh indeed

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #3 on:** November 09, 2011, 11:45:20 PM »

nuke the site from orbit

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #4 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:06:24 AM »

To no one's tears.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:32:04 AM »

They're rioting in State College, PA. smh

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:41:34 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 10, 2011, 12:32:04 AM

They're rioting in State College, PA. smh

What a bunch of idiots.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:45:31 AM »

But what about the vortex?

Crushed · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:54:31 AM »

look, there could be reasons for a 28-year-old former quarterback to be terrified and powerless against an old man raping a little boy and for the head of the program to promote said former quarterback multiple times and continue to fraternize with the rapist

like

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:55:04 AM »

CHINATOWN

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:59:04 AM »

ESPN has video footage of the riots, looks like a bunch of drunk college kids causing mayhem.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:18:34 AM »

look at these thugs!

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:19:41 AM »

Clearly, this is a University with a long history of honor and integrity. Also, boy raping.

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:40:24 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 10, 2011, 12:55:04 AM

CHINATOWN

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2011, 02:23:14 AM »

I'm not going to lie, I can't say for sure exactly what I'd do if I stumbled across what he saw in the shower. Would I charge the old man, or calmly disentangle them? But I must say it's hard to imagine seeing that and essentially doing nothing.

Some people are criticizing the guy for running him and calling his dad. I can understand that; I called my dad the last time I was scared shitless (911). But to never follow up on this, after telling Paterno? This guy was on campus as of last week...how do you see him and not think "that dude rapes children, why is he still here."

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #15 on:** November 10, 2011, 02:31:44 AM »

PD, I think it's clear that in that situation you just have to ask yourself one question: "WWTD?"

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What Would Thor Do, obviously. And I think we know what he would do.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #16 on:** November 10, 2011, 02:36:00 AM »

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #17 on:** November 10, 2011, 03:01:21 AM »

Mandark · « **Reply #18 on:** November 10, 2011, 03:01:48 AM »

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #19 on:** November 10, 2011, 03:08:04 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on November 10, 2011, 03:01:48 AM

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well that about wraps it up, doesn't it

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #20 on:** November 10, 2011, 03:16:26 AM »

If there's one thing that the Catholic Church has taught us, it's that funny hats = authority. But if there's two things the Catholic Church has taught us, it's that the public really doesn't give a shit about boy rape.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #21 on:** November 10, 2011, 04:04:16 AM »

obviously as a browneye fan he would think that

benjipwns · « **Reply #22 on:** November 10, 2011, 04:21:44 AM »

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #23 on:** November 10, 2011, 04:30:29 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on November 09, 2011, 11:42:27 PM

edit: I'm being snarky cause this feels like one of those episodes where everyone gets to feel good for denouncing something that's obviously wrong, but on second thought (remembering reactions to the Polanski case), there's probably a non-negligible number of people ready to defend JoePa on this.

It's not really the same is it.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #24 on:** November 10, 2011, 05:48:20 AM »

its people defending a clear-cut case of kid rape, so no its not that different

Himu · « **Reply #25 on:** November 10, 2011, 05:52:56 AM »

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2011, 04:21:44 AM

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Brehvolution · « **Reply #26 on:** November 10, 2011, 09:23:01 AM »

It's really sad it has come to this. But the fact is that Joe looked away to protect a life long friend and it's time to face the music. I'm a huge PSU fan. My whole family is so it's extremely weird to see this all unfold.
It's also crazy timing for it to all fall apart a week after becoming the winningest college football coach.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #27 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:43:12 AM »

This morning on my way to work, one of our local sports radio cannels was talking about an article out of Pittsburgh six months ago that talked about Sandusky using his charity organization to pimp out little kids to donors. That is still a rumor, but the same article discussed things that have come to light in the last week.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #28 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:44:51 AM »

If that's true...WOW. Either way, I have little doubt that things are going to get worse for Penn State as more of what happened finally comes to light.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #29 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:50:40 AM »

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #30 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:56:00 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 10, 2011, 10:50:40 AM

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

$:-\$

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #31 on:** November 10, 2011, 11:56:10 AM »

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 10, 2011, 09:23:01 AM

It's really sad it has come to this. But the fact is that Joe looked away to protect a life long friend and it's time to face the music. I'm a huge PSU fan. My whole family is so it's extremely weird to see this all unfold.
It's also crazy timing for it to all fall apart a week after becoming the winningest college football coach.

It was pretty obvious they were sitting on this info not only for Paterno to get the record, but also for PSU to arrive on their bye week so as not to disturb the team as much.

demi · « **Reply #32 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:37:14 PM »

I dont think family has anything to do with it. You see an old man plowing some virgin boypussy, you go wait your turn.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #33 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:52:57 PM »

McQueary should have been fired too, does anyone doubt that he participated in this cover up to advance his own career? Can you imagine actually seeing a child getting raped at the place where you work, telling your boss about it, your boss telling you "okay, we'll take care of it, don't worry about it" and then just going back about your business while the guy you saw raping a kid just kinda hangs out at your workplace for the next 10 years?

T234 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:57:50 PM »

If it woulda been me, that shower would have been an artistic statement of the word Ultraviolence.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #35 on:** November 10, 2011, 04:09:29 PM »

Child rapists deserve more than punishment
They deserve GUNISHMENT

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #36 on:** November 10, 2011, 04:18:20 PM »

Onion, as always, nails it

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #37 on:** November 10, 2011, 07:02:35 PM »

Didn't this news break on the same day as that shitfest between LSU and Alabama? 11/5/11: The Day NCAA Football* Died

*Not a real sport

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #38 on:** November 10, 2011, 07:06:12 PM »

Yeah, I can't wait for everyone to find something else to be outraged about and move on. The amount of coverage this is getting reminds me of those tragic news stories which get posted on GAF and then balloon to 50-page threads in a day

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #39 on:** November 10, 2011, 07:23:59 PM »

So the janitor who actually saw the shower incident never got around to making a report, due to fear about their job?

Are we supposed to despise this person less, because they are poor? It's a tough spot to be put in but man, that's pretty fucking vile.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11311/1188149-143.stm

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #40 on:** November 10, 2011, 07:28:51 PM »

Quote from: OptimoPeach on November 10, 2011, 07:06:12 PM

Yeah, I can't wait for everyone to find something else to be outraged about and move on. The amount of coverage this is getting reminds me of those tragic news stories which get posted on GAF and then balloon to 50-page threads in a day

It's not a "human interest" story of the week...it's an entire organization that covered up child rape because they were READY FOR SOME college FOOTBALL. By it's nature it's not just an isolated case only fit for tabloid journalism.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #41 on:** November 10, 2011, 07:35:17 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 07:23:59 PM

So the janitor who actually saw the shower incident never got around to making a report, due to fear about their job?

Are we supposed to despise this person less, because they are poor? It's a tough spot to be put in but man, that's pretty fucking vile.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11311/1188149-143.stm

Apparently that janitor now suffers from dementia, so I doubt they'll really do much to him.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #42 on:** November 10, 2011, 08:06:49 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 10, 2011, 10:43:12 AM

This morning on my way to work, one of our local sports radio cannels was talking about an article out of Pittsburgh six months ago that talked about Sandusky using his charity organization to pimp out little kids to donors. That is still a rumor, but the same article discussed things that have come to light in the last week.

Yup heard about that, as well as a DA that allegedly went missing. Right now the concensus seems to be that PSU will just clean house and restart, but if this is truly as deep as some are alleging I think the NCAA could just kill the program.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #43 on:** November 10, 2011, 08:23:10 PM »

Quote from: Mamacint on November 10, 2011, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: OptimoPeach on November 10, 2011, 07:06:12 PM
Yeah, I can't wait for everyone to find something else to be outraged about and move on. The amount of coverage this is getting reminds me of those tragic news stories which get posted on GAF and then balloon to 50-page threads in a day

It's not a "human interest" story of the week...it's an entire organization that covered up child rape because they were READY FOR SOME college FOOTBALL. By it's nature it's not just an isolated case only fit for tabloid journalism.

It just doesn't seem like there's a whole lot to discuss here beyond O WHAT LENGTHS GREED CAN PUSH MAN TO. You even summed up the who, what, and why all in one sentence.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #44 on:** November 10, 2011, 08:42:54 PM »

a college covered up the ongoing rape of multiple children over a nearly 10-yr period so that it could win some football, and you dont see what worth discussing?

what exactly are the deep, important topics you consider more important or pressing

Positive Touch · « **Reply #45 on:** November 10, 2011, 08:43:12 PM »

wait arent you a wrestling fan

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #46 on:** November 10, 2011, 08:46:35 PM »

No LOL

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #47 on:** November 10, 2011, 09:22:30 PM »

I just have to LOL at the college sports uber alles attitude coming back to bite an organization in the ass.

A lot of dumbfuckery gets swept under the rug because of sports.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #48 on:** November 10, 2011, 09:50:07 PM »

and not just sports. As also evidenced by the Steve Jobs martyrdom, people just seem to love their entertainment/entertainment devices waaaaaaaaay out of proportion these days. People are suiciding in China because of the conditions in which our phones are made, and we're all just ok with it because Angry Birds.

benjipwns · « **Reply #49 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:03:00 PM »

The fallout continues: http://aplusk.posterous.com/twitter-management

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Up until today, I have posted virtually every one of my tweets on my own, but clearly the platform has become too big to be managed by a single individual. When I started using twitter, it was a communication platform that people could say what they were thinking in real time and if their facts were wrong the community would quickly and helpfully reframe an opinion. It was a conversation, a community driven education tool, and opinion center that encouraged healthy debate. It seems that today that twitter has grown into a mass publishing platform, where ones tweets quickly become news that is broadcast around the world and misinformation becomes volatile fodder for critics.

Last night after returning home from work, I walked by the television and simply saw a headline that Joe Paterno had been fired. Having no more information than that, I assumed that he had been fired due to poor performance as an aging coach. As a football fan and someone who had watched Joe's career move from that of legend/innovator to a head coach that fulfilled his duty in the booth, I assumed that the university had let him go due to football related issues. With that assumption (how dare I assume) I posted a tweet defending his career. I then when about my evening, had some dinner, did a little work, and about an hour later turned on ESPN where I got the full story. I quickly went back on my twitter account and found a hailstorm of responses calling me an "idiot" and several other expletives that I've become accustom to hearing for almost anything I post. I quickly retracted and deleted my previous post; however, that didn't seem enough to satisfy people’s outrage at my misinformed post. I am truly sorry. And moreover am going to take action to ensure that it doesn't happen again. And as an advocate in the fight against child sexual exploitation, I could not be more deeply saddened by the events at Penn State.

A collection of over 8 million followers is not to be taken for granted. I feel responsible to deliver informed opinions and not spread gossip or rumors through my twitter feed. While I feel that running this feed myself gives me a closer relationship to my friends and fans I've come to realize that it has grown into more than a fun tool to communicate with people. While I will continue to express myself through @Aplusk, I'm going to turn the management of the feed over to my team at Katalyst as a secondary editorial measure, to ensure the quality of its content. My sincere apologies to anyone who I offended. It was a mistake that will not happen again.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #50 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:05:55 PM »

twitter: serious business

benjipwns · « **Reply #51 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:09:06 PM »

He has a responsibility which is too much for just one person.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #52 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:14:14 PM »

This is so dumb that my brain literally is in pain right now, and brains don't even have pain receptors!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #53 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:16:49 PM »

Some nuance here, from Paterno's biographer:

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

demi · « **Reply #54 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:18:49 PM »

rofl

Having no more information than that, I assumed that he had been fired due to poor performance as an aging coach.

Worst damage control ever

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #55 on:** November 10, 2011, 11:31:06 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 10:16:49 PM

Some nuance here, from Paterno's biographer:

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/10/the-end-of-paterno/

So weird to see someone refer to Joe Posnanski as "Joe Paterno's biographer." But probably because I converse with all baseball fans.

Anyway, one of those baseball people responded with this: http://bbg123.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/joe-po-and-joe-pa/

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #56 on:** November 10, 2011, 11:32:20 PM »

meh, I don't know the guy from Adam

I'm only following this case cause i'm a Catholic and Paterno seems likely to be the next Pope

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #57 on:** November 10, 2011, 11:34:44 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 11:32:20 PM

meh, I don't know the guy from Adam

I'm only following this case cause i'm a Catholic and Paterno seems likely to be the next Pope

especially now amirite

oh wait that's the joke isn't it

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #58 on:** November 10, 2011, 11:45:04 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 10, 2011, 11:34:44 PM

Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 11:32:20 PM
meh, I don't know the guy from Adam

I'm only following this case cause i'm a Catholic and Paterno seems likely to be the next Pope

especially now amirite

oh wait that's the joke isn't it

My mom has been outraged about this story all week. We were talking and she said "these clowns need to get on their tricycles and get out of town!" and I blurted out "I'm not sure riding tricycles is safe on PSU's campus"

I think I'm in the dog house now $:-\$

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #59 on:** November 10, 2011, 11:49:18 PM »

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Author Topic: RIP Joe Paterno, football coach (Read 14170 times)