Truly outrageous: Gem system full reveal for SF x Tekken

[brob]

"I think this fighting game is boring, go play this first person shooter instead"

[Owl-faced Wizard]

You could also play Balloon Kid.  Game is hott.

[Himu]

How is VF boring due to its gameplay mechanics? By that argument, why play ANY fighting game? Its mechanics aren't that different from other fighters.

[brob]

He called VF complex so it's fairly likely he thinks similarly of all fighting games.

[Sho Nuff]

Tekken had hitsparks to hide their shitty collision detection 

I love both though. My arcade machine runs both Tekken 2 and VF2

[Owl-faced Wizard]

How is VF boring due to its gameplay mechanics? By that argument, why play ANY fighting game? Its mechanics aren't that different from other fighters.

I'll use an example of a character in MvC3 that is widely considered to be really boring: Nova.  Nova's magical sparkly attacks use red health to do extra damage.  Now, that's not much - but it's the sort of stuff I mean.  For the sheer volume of shit you can do it VF, the attacks are kind of inside-the-box if you get me.
It's actually part of the reason VF has a rep as being both really deep and really well balanced (two things that ordinarily don't get along) - there aren't that many weird dynamics with hard-to-gauge effects, just a fuckton of moves and a handful of variables.  Shun taking a swig is about as interesting as it gets.

I've been giving VF some shit in this thread, but I really don't dislike the game or anything and I hope you guys aren't too sour at me for shitting up the thread.  Biggest issue I have is that it's just so demanding in terms of specific knowledge.

[Himu]

VF characters use actual martial arts styles. You want fantasy and fireballs in VF? You're missing the whole damn point.

[Robo]

FYI, I think VF4 or 5 has a hitspark option setting that causes flashes based on the type of hit (e.g. red flash for major counter).

I remember thinking the first time I saw Tekken, "those sparks must be because that dude has flashlight bulbs on his gloves" and then noticed the cheetahman was doing it too and THIS GAME IS AWESOME.

[Himu]

Shun taking a swig is about as interesting as it gets.

[brob]

aren't VF4 hitsparks like the Tekken training mode hitsparks? with text in them and whatnot?


edit: uuuuurhg i hate character customization in these games. random items on the back, floating ghost bullshit, halos and wings. If there was a way to turn that off online so I didn't have to see someone's attempt at making a SSJ4 Goku with a sword glued to his back out of Goh I'd suck all the dicks within a 10 mile radius of Sega HQ.

[Himu]

I miss the announcer from VF4 vanilla.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

VF characters use actual martial arts styles. You want fantasy and fireballs in VF? You're missing the whole damn point.

Well, you missed my point - but you're right that the grounding in reality is def. why there are practically zero funky gameplay ideas.  And that's a big part of the reason it leaves me cold.  I get why VF is the way it is, and I respect that it's valid for it to be like that, but I reserve the right to criticise it anyhow.

[Robo]

I'll use an example of a character in MvC3 that is widely considered to be really boring: Nova.

 

[Himu]

VF characters use actual martial arts styles. You want fantasy and fireballs in VF? You're missing the whole damn point.

Well, you missed my point - but you're right that the grounding in reality is def. why there are practically zero funky gameplay ideas.  And that's a big part of the reason it leaves me cold.  I get why VF is the way it is, and I respect that it's valid for it to be like that, but I reserve the right to criticise it anyhow.

Well like in the video I posted above, VF can be more than outlandish, especially as you delve into the online and sp modes. A lot of the shit modern fighters use in their sp modes today? THey ripped that shit off from Virtua Fighter 4. Virtua Fighter 4 and 5's sp mode in particular is anything but generic or bland or boring and can be legitimately difficult and challenging.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

Shun taking a swig is about as interesting as it gets.

I don't think you are getting me, but I don't know that character (never played 5) so maybe there's something going on under the hood that I'm supposed to be seeing?  Maybe I haven't made myself clear, idk.
I was watching some Tekken fights just before and it's hilarious how much better VF5 is in terms of motion and flow - VF is actually flashier.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

VF characters use actual martial arts styles. You want fantasy and fireballs in VF? You're missing the whole damn point.

Well, you missed my point - but you're right that the grounding in reality is def. why there are practically zero funky gameplay ideas.  And that's a big part of the reason it leaves me cold.  I get why VF is the way it is, and I respect that it's valid for it to be like that, but I reserve the right to criticise it anyhow.

Well like in the video I posted above, VF can be more than outlandish, especially as you delve into the online and sp modes. A lot of the shit modern fighters use in their sp modes today? THey ripped that shit off from Virtua Fighter 4. Virtua Fighter 4 and 5's sp mode in particular is anything but generic or bland or boring and can be legitimately difficult and challenging.

I think you are talking about more superficial stuff though (but I'm not 100% - I'll have to look up the monkey kung-fu girl).  I'm meaning actual game dynamics, not crazy clown stuff.

[Himu]

But you mentioned Shun drinking so I thought you were talking about superficial clown stuff.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

But you mentioned Shun drinking so I thought you were talking about superficial clown stuff.

?  Shun drinking is a gameplay mechanic (as well as being cool).

[Robo]

I'm not sure what you're getting at either.  3D fighting games are, by and large, devoid of subsystems; even Shun's drinking is rather simplistic: increased damage and unlocks a few additional moves.  Those games are generally more focused on pushing a very specific, focused type of gameplay style; VF in particular does that very well.  The drinking gimmick adds to Shun's unpredictability; that's really the only reason it's there.

I can see complaining that the characters are boring (they are), but I can't relate to finding VF's gameplay dull or uninteresting.  It's one of the few fighting games out there that I play and want to main every single character because they're all so unique.

[bork]

I don't play fighting games anymore so my opinion is worthless but I like the idea of the gems as a general concept. I liked Gem Fighter back in the day balanced be damned because it was fun and different. Not everything has to be super serious and made for an elite fighting game crowd. Not to mention Capcom puts out a fighter a year now so its seems very easy to skip a version if you don't like this.

Now the retailer exclusive bonus shit would piss me the fuck off. That's some stupid evil shit right there. It would be like playing COD but I could only get the quickdraw perk if I bought the game from a specific store. That is nuts. You can't leave out important gameplay stuff and divide it up as retailer shit. Leave that to costumes or other extra cosmetic perks.

Yes, I definitely liken the gem system to perks in CoD, but they're handling it all wrong.  The retailer exclusive shit especially is awful.

I don't have a problem with the game being simpler or more of a "party fighter," but everything about the way they are handling the gem system is not looking very promising to me right now.  :/

I don't understand why people dislike VF. Guess they're too used to their Tekken and Smash Bros.

"It's boring" is usually the answer.  VF lacks flash and has pretty bland stage/character design and music compared to other games.  The customization helps the character design a LOT but has to be unlocked.

Actually, come to think of it, there's never been a handheld VF.

Plus LOLOL VF2 for Genesis on any device with it for sale or emulated.

It's not that VF isn't flashy enough or whatever, it's just that it doesn't have any remotely interesting game mechanics.  It's like an all-you-can-eat buffet of macaroni cheese.  Who gives a shit how deep the trough is if all you are gonna get out of it is macaroni cheese.  Unreal Tournament has super interesting gameplay despite being not nearly as complex as VF.  You should play that - I think it's less dead than VF.

[Himu]

VF3 had awesome stage designs. But then people bitched. Also, VF has beautiful stages. The shaolin temple stage in VF4/5? My favorites. Holy shit. The music

[bork]

VF's game play is awesome.   What Sega needs to do is keep that intact and bring in a whole new design team for the aesthetics, and fire whoever does the soundtrack.   

[Himu]

What's wrong with VF aesthetic? It's great. Sorry it's not ANIME enough for you.

[brob]

The customization DOES NOT help the character design. keep it simple and clean pls. and refer to tekken for all your anime needs.

[Himu]

WHY DOESN'T VIRTUA FIGHTER HAVE MEN IN LEOPARD SUITS OR DUDE WITH HIGH TOP FADES AND FIGHTING PANDA BEARS? BLAND.

[iconoclast]

I love VF customization, but I try to not make anything that looks distinguished mentally-challenged. Like my Jacky had a white tanktop, black baggy jeans, and slicked back hair and sunglasses. I had some nice gear for Fuerte and Eileen too but I don't remember it very well. I haven't played VF5 since it was obvious Sega abandoned the series.

BTW, Himuro I think mentioned lag in VF5 360. WTF? VF5 has far and away the best netcode in any 3D fighter. There's obviously some lag, but that game was pretty damn smooth, all things considered. That's one of the reasons I'm hyped for VF5FS. Amazing game + amazing netcode, guaranteed. AM2 are gods

(VOOT has great netcode as well)

[Himu]

Well, I remember me and robo would play a few matches and we'd both get heavy lag.

[brob]

VF5 netcode was ass for me. there was no filtering system which might have been the cause. then again, recent capcom fighters that have had filtering systems have been complete butt for European players so it's not like that would have helped.

[bork]

What's wrong with VF aesthetic? It's great. Sorry it's not ANIME enough for you.

WHY DOESN'T VIRTUA FIGHTER HAVE MEN IN LEOPARD SUITS OR DUDE WITH HIGH TOP FADES AND FIGHTING PANDA BEARS? BLAND.

Have you seen the customization shit in this game? It's "wacky Jappy" all the way and has the shit you're talking about.   

The customization DOES NOT help the character design. keep it simple and clean pls. and refer to tekken for all your anime needs.

It does help when they don't go crazy-insane with it.  Makes some of the dated looks/hair styles a lot better for the characters.

BTW, Himuro I think mentioned lag in VF5 360. WTF? VF5 has far and away the best netcode in any 3D fighter. There's obviously some lag, but that game was pretty damn smooth, all things considered. That's one of the reasons I'm hyped for VF5FS. Amazing game + amazing netcode, guaranteed. AM2 are gods

(VOOT has great netcode as well)

Yeah I don't get it either.  VF5 had good netcode.

[Himu]

Have you seen the customization shit in this game? It's "wacky Jappy" all the way and has the shit you're talking about.   

Sure. But that's the customization, not the base character designs and aesthetic.

[brob]

It does help when they don't go crazy-insane with it.  Makes some of the dated looks/hair styles a lot better for the characters.

choice is great. I would love the choice to not see people's Haag-level aesthetic atrocities when playing online. I doubt I will ever be afforded this, so I will rail against the customization itself instead.

[Robo]

I don't remember anything in VF4/5 being quite as bad as that insane Blanka alternate or the Evil Ryu and Oni auras.



This thing should be BANNED.  Plus, fuck Blanka. 

[brob]

yeah that's some S tier nonsense. Ono embracing his heel personality a little too much.

[bork]

Have you seen the customization shit in this game? It's "wacky Jappy" all the way and has the shit you're talking about.   

Sure. But that's the customization, not the base character designs and aesthetic.

Eileen.   

And for some examples of how VF5 has "progressed" over the years:

[Van Cruncheon]

VF5 is the only game at which I continuously whomp ass. Then the people I beat tell me VF sucks and isnt worth playing  :'(

we should play vf5 some time! i am pretty shit now, but i used to be decent, and i've been meeting to start playing again

[bork]

I feel a lot better about the gem system after watching this video.