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Liberal Party of Canada endorses the legalization of marijuana


Federal Liberals are taking some risky departures from the cautious political norm in a bid to put their once-mighty party back on the electoral map.

They overwhelmingly approved Sunday a resolution calling for the legalization and regulation of marijuana -- a position immediately endorsed in principle by interim leader Bob Rae, although it remains to be seen how, or if, the resolution translates into a platform plank for the next election.

"Let's face up to it, Canada, the war on drugs has been a complete bust," Rae declared in a closing speech to a three-day Liberal renewal convention.

Until now, Liberals have called only for decriminalization of marijuana, as has the NDP. The new call to legalize it completely and regulate its production and sale, much as is done with alcohol, is in stark contrast to the governing Conservatives, who've included stiffer penalties for marijuana possession in their omnibus tough-on-crime bill.

The legalized pot resolution came on the heels of another potentially risky gamble for the Liberals. After a heated debate late Saturday, delegates agreed to invite all liberal-minded Canadians to take part in choosing the party's next leader.

The party will create a new class of Liberal "supporters" -- anyone willing to register as believers in core Liberal values -- who will not have to pay a fee for a membership card to participate in leadership contests.

Wrapping up the convention, Rae heralded the two moves as a sign the chastened Liberal party is reaching out and renewing itself after last May's humiliating rout, when the party was reduced to a third-party rump with only 34 seats.

"We Liberals have clearly and emphatically said to the people of Canada: 'We embrace change and we embrace all Canadians as we rebuild this great national party."'

Delegates further embraced change by choosing Mike Crawley as their new party president. He beat out Sheila Copps, a veteran former cabinet minister -- whom some Liberals felt symbolized the past -- by a slim 26 votes.

Rae maintained the convention underscores the difference between the Liberals and the more ideologically driven Tories and NDP, whom he described as dogmatic adherents to rigid "orthodoxies."

"If you want to be part of a group of free-thinking, innovative, thoughtful, pragmatic, hopeful, positive, happy people, come and join the Liberal party," he exhorted, adding with a chuckle, "And after the resolution on marijuana today, it's going to be a group of even happier people in the Liberal party."

Rae told delegates it makes no sense "to send another generation of young people into prison" for marijuana offences when "the most addictive substances that are facing Canada today are alcohol and cigarettes."

While they were willing to take some risks, delegates balked at a resolution calling on Canada to consider cutting its ties to the monarchy, an idea that would open a constitutional can of worms.

Both the marijuana and monarchy resolutions were put forward by the party's youth wing, which argued that the Liberal party needs to advance bold ideas that are more reflective of young people if it is to revive.

"I think that there's a certain amount of generational change happening in the party," said Samuel Lavoie, president of the Liberal youth wing.

"We're willing to push the envelope and we have the numbers and we have the will power to flex our muscles when it's needed."

Lavoie acknowledged the Tories will doubtless pounce on the marijuana resolution to lambaste the Liberals as soft on drug crimes.

"I personally think we Liberals should stop worrying about what the Conservatives will think about our policy and approach," he said, noting that diehard Tories will never vote Liberal in any event.

"We're talking to Canadians. The fact is that this is a sensible policy, evidence-based policy that is very easy to defend ... There is cross-partisan support among non-Conservative voters for this so we feel this is something that will get us votes."

The marijuana resolution is not binding on the leader or the party. And delegates specifically rejected a proposal to remove the leader's veto over the contents of future election platforms, so there's no guarantee the party will ever actually campaign on the idea of legalizing pot.

Rae later said the resolution "reflects very much the spirit of the convention" and "it's now up to us to take that resolution and see exactly what it will mean in terms of policy, because there are some practical questions we have to look at."

With an overwhelming 77 per cent of delegates voting for legalization, Lavoie predicted: "I think it is really difficult for anyone to just ignore the result and the will of the membership."

Under Jean Chretien's government, the Liberals introduced legislation to make possession of small amounts of marijuana a ticketing, rather than criminal, offence. The bill was not pursued when Paul Martin took over the helm of the party and the Harper government has since dropped the idea entirely, moving in the opposite direction.

Martin Cauchon, the justice minister who introduced decriminalization, said Sunday he believes legalization is inevitable but that Canadians would be more comfortable with decriminalizing pot as a first step.

Delegates also supported reforming the country's electoral system, agreeing to promote the idea of preferential balloting in federal elections, rather than the current first-past-the-post system. Preferential ballots, in which voters rank candidates, would ensure that only those who receive more than 50 per cent of the vote in their ridings would be elected to the House of Commons.

If no one received over half of the votes right off the bat, the last place candidate in a riding would be eliminated, with his or her supporters' second choices then being tallied. The process would continue until one candidate emerged with more than 50 per cent.

They also endorsed a non-binding directive that all Liberal nomination contests be open, other than specified exceptions recommended by the leader and approved by the party's national executive. Currently, the leader has the unfettered power to appoint an unlimited number of candidates and to protect incumbents from nomination challenges.

Delegates balked, however, at adopting a U.S.-style primary system to elect future leaders. They rejected a proposal to introduce a system of staggered regional leadership votes.

Despite some evidence of lingering internal feuds, with the Copps-Crawley presidential fight seen by many as a proxy for the old Chretien-Martin wars, the mood of the convention was primarily optimistic and forward-looking. About 3,200 registered to attend, the largest turnout for a non-leadership Liberal convention since 1978.

Many delegates said they were longtime Liberal supporters who had never bothered to become active in the party until last May's election rout put its very survival in question.

"For those who thought it's too early after May, that Liberals would be sitting at home, still in the fetal position, crying ... look at this weekend," crowed Crawley.

Both he and Copps immediately took pains to put the presidential contest behind them. Rae said he looks forward to working with Copps and the other two presidential contenders in the rebuilding effort.

Speculation about Rae's future was a constant buzz in the background of the convention. When he took the post of interim leader last May, the party's national executive demanded -- and Rae promised -- not to seek the post permanently. However, the executive, with eight new members elected at the convention, could choose to remove the ban on Rae running for permanent leader and Rae has steadfastly refused to say whether he'd take the plunge.

At a joint news conference Sunday with Rae, Crawley said the 33-member executive will make decisions about leadership rules "over the next few months." He reiterated his view that the interim leader would have to step aside if a decision was made to run in the leadership contest slated for the spring of 2013.

"I accept completely what Michael just said," Rae added.
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"Let's face up to it, Canada, the war on drugs has been a complete bust," Rae declared in a closing speech to a three-day Liberal renewal convention.

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I was wondering if that was going to catch your attention, Thor.
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 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl @ PD

Boogie, what do you and your coworkers make of this?
« Last Edit: January 17, 2012, 02:03:32 AM by T234 »
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Boogie, what do you and your coworkers make of this?

Politically, I think the motion is something of a result of the Liberals having an identity crisis, being in 3rd place in the House of Commons for the first time in Canadian history, and desperate to find ways of reversing their freefall.  As the article you pasted says, they also mulled over a proposal to take the position of abolishing the monarchy in Canada, but that proposal didn't pass at the convention.

A lot can change in four years, but the Liberals don't have a very good chance of forming the government in 2015 as things stand now.

If you meant the idea itself, some think it might be good for taking money out of the hands of organized crime, while others just see it as an opportunity for organized crime to bring more coke and guns into Canada due to the prospect of better terms of trade for Canadian weed.
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Wait... Canadians do blow? 
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If a man could go into Canadian Tire (or Tim Hortons or wherever the fuck you guys buy your tobacco) and buy a pound of Canadian-grown Island Sweet Skunk, Texada Timewarp, or Romulan sinsemilla the same way one can buy a big bag of tobacco, there would be a lot less coke and guns brought into the country. There would be a HUUUGE uptick in travel to Canada, with a corresponding HUUUGE uptick in smuggling into the United States. The Mexi-Cartels would shit. The Median Price of Non-Pressed Cannabis would plummet from about 2500/Pound to 1600/Pound. Brick-weed in it's current state would disappear, The Mexicans and Colombians (The few Colos that still grow reefer anyway) would go back to growing pure sativas. The Dutch would shit, because the cannabis world would quickly find out that they haven't grown the best weed for over a decade now, nobody would fly halfway around the world to pay 17 dollars a gram for silica-blasted weed, when they can go to Canada and buy an ounce (28 grams) of BOMBA GANJA out of a store for 125 bucks.
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Brick-weed in it's current state would disappear

Good riddance
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Good riddance
Yep yep yep.  As long as you're not one that has to pack bowl after bowl after bowl, it even comes out to being more expensive.  One or two hits a night of really good shit is all you really need.  A couple of grams of dro can last ages as long as you're not a chimney.

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Seriously tho, once you're no longer an ignorant high school shitburger, who actively smokes brick weed?  Dirty poors I guess?
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After reintroducing myself to marijuana over the past week, I am all in favor of taking a canadian vacation and smoking some good stuff legally if they decriminalize marijuana.
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I smoke like once or twice a week max so that helps :D

Jack Daniels and love making are my stress relievers otherwise.

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When will America end the war on drugs? When 80% of the male black and latino populations are incarcerated?
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Politically, I think the motion is something of a result of the Liberals having an identity crisis, being in 3rd place in the House of Commons for the first time in Canadian history, and desperate to find ways of reversing their freefall.  As the article you pasted says, they also mulled over a proposal to take the position of abolishing the monarchy in Canada, but that proposal didn't pass at the convention.

A lot can change in four years, but the Liberals don't have a very good chance of forming the government in 2015 as things stand now.

If you meant the idea itself, some think it might be good for taking money out of the hands of organized crime, while others just see it as an opportunity for organized crime to bring more coke and guns into Canada due to the prospect of better terms of trade for Canadian weed.

Ya at this point they can pretty much say anything to test the waters and then switch policy when election time gets closer.

Hey Boogie do the RCMP have any models for what would happen if Canada legalized and America didn't?

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When will America end the war on drugs? When 80% of the male black and latino populations are incarcerated?

Don't want to go to jail for drugs? Don't do drugs

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When will America end the war on drugs? When 80% of the male black and latino populations are incarcerated?

Don't want to go to jail for drugs? Don't do drugs



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I smoke like once or twice a week max so that helps :D

Jack Daniels and love making are my stress relievers otherwise.

<---- this guy smokes every night  :-[

I don't drink except for if I'm eating dinner at a restaurant. (rare) and stoney sex feels so nice :lol
Stoned sex is amazing.  So soft!  everything feels so soft!  I don't like smoking too often because I like my tolerance low and I tend to get distracted if I do.  So I usually keep it towards weekends, special occasions or sometimes just the days I have nothing to do.

And while I think PD is missing the point of Himu's post and possibly trolling, there's nothing worse than douchebags who get caught with weed and start with the "if weed was legal..." bullshit.  I know the risk and accept it.  Be a fucking adult and realize that while the law may be stupid there is nothing you can do about it at the moment and you're taking a risk.

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I dislike having a low tolerance. Makes me swear off weed every time I smoke it. If cigs had the "benefits" of weed, I'd rather smoke cigs.
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To add, if the Mexicans and Colombians went back to growing Full-blood sativas like in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, I would prefer that above all else. Shit like that will give any smoker visuals like a hit of good LSD, even me. One blunt among three people is like a quarter of shrooms by yourself! The only places that still grow pot like that are Malawi and Thailand. Good luck buying either of those in the states :lol :lol

Spencer: In the next county over, one joint would get you a year in the county jail until they changed the laws statewide! An acquaintance of mine got 5 YEARS IN THE COUNTY JAIL for 3 joints. Motherfucker still in there even though they changed the laws! :(
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Politically, I think the motion is something of a result of the Liberals having an identity crisis, being in 3rd place in the House of Commons for the first time in Canadian history, and desperate to find ways of reversing their freefall.  As the article you pasted says, they also mulled over a proposal to take the position of abolishing the monarchy in Canada, but that proposal didn't pass at the convention.

A lot can change in four years, but the Liberals don't have a very good chance of forming the government in 2015 as things stand now.

If you meant the idea itself, some think it might be good for taking money out of the hands of organized crime, while others just see it as an opportunity for organized crime to bring more coke and guns into Canada due to the prospect of better terms of trade for Canadian weed.

Ya at this point they can pretty much say anything to test the waters and then switch policy when election time gets closer.

Hey Boogie do the RCMP have any models for what would happen if Canada legalized and America didn't?



THIS IS VERRRY RELEVANT TO MY INTERESTS.
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I dislike having a low tolerance. Makes me swear off weed every time I smoke it. If cigs had the "benefits" of weed, I'd rather smoke cigs.
Why's that?  Do you not like the way it makes you feel?  That's very strain dependent and also the way the grower grew it. 

Yeah I just never carry more than an amount I'd just get a fine for. Oregon law :bow2 I was more just curious if he'd ever actually tried it or not, not trying to debate him about it.
I never travel anywhere with it and it's hidden very well in home. 

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oh.  I dunno.  I've never had a tolerance but I only got those issues when I smoke shit weed.  When I switched to good, fresh dro they stopped.

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I dislike having a low tolerance. Makes me swear off weed every time I smoke it. If cigs had the "benefits" of weed, I'd rather smoke cigs.
Why's that?  Do you not like the way it makes you feel?  That's very strain dependent and also the way the grower grew it. 


It makes me paranoid and antsy and I feel like I'm going to die or something and freak. It's never a good high anymore but then I have a low tolerance and don't really know my limits.
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When will America end the war on drugs? When 80% of the male black and latino populations are incarcerated?

Don't want to go to jail for drugs? Don't do drugs





yea because the tons of black dudes in prison are there because of planted evidence

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Dude, his mom won't let him have cable and he's in his mid 20's.  If he's still listening to her about that, I can pretty much guarantee that he's never smoked up.
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I've only ever smoked five or six times in my life.  The last time was Christmas day with my friends gravity bong.  Shit was intense.
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Hey Boogie do the RCMP have any models for what would happen if Canada legalized and America didn't?

No, I don't think so.  I've never seen anything along those lines, and I doubt our intel sections would engage in that sort of speculative study.

My personal opinion is that the political consequences would probably outstrip the direct drug-related effects.

In Thor's own hypothetical, he projects "a corresponding HUUUGE uptick in smuggling into the United States".  Now, how do we suppose that would go over with a United States government that is still committed to prohibition of marijuana?

They'd blow their lids.  American officials already have the perception of Canadian border concerns putting economic interests way ahead of security concerns, and the legalization of marijuana by Canada without the same by the US would put HUGE tensions on US-Canadian relations.

We're already the world's #1 exporter of synthetic drugs such as ecstasy and Meth, and US Officials already have myths about terrorists infiltrating America through Canada.  Throw marijuana legalization on top of that, and I think there's a good likelihood that the world's most historically free and open border becomes a lot less so.  The border becomes tighter, inconveniencing travellers and putting possible significant economic costs to Canadian companies (American companies too, but as always, we're more reliant on trade with America than vice versa).

Would those possible negative effects be outweighed by possible positives of taking weed money out of the hands of organized crime, and taxing it as a source of revenue, and in saved law enforcement costs?  That's not for me to say.  I could see decriminalization happening in Canada without America moving first, but full legalization and regulation?  Can't see it.  Even the Netherlands doesn't really have full legalization, just sort of a tolerance of it.


(And I disagree with T234 just asserting that legalized weed in Canada means less coke brought north from the States.  That just doesn't make sense to me from an economic perspective, but whatevs.)
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When will America end the war on drugs? When 80% of the male black and latino populations are incarcerated?



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PD have you ever lit up tho? This isn't a gotcha moment, I promise. I'm just curious.

Of course not, it's a filthy habit. Ruins your oral health, it stinks, and has a negative effect on your lungs.
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it can also be used as a tool to make you realize things about yourself and others that you otherwise wouldn't have, it can literally turn a user into a better person for it.  it's not all bad, bro - also all of those things you listed are either only going to come into play after long term use and/or could be avoided altogether with alternate methods of ingestion.

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PD have you ever lit up tho? This isn't a gotcha moment, I promise. I'm just curious.

Of course not, it's a filthy habit. Ruins your oral health, it stinks, and has a negative effect on your lungs.
So does Taco Bell but we have proof that you love that stuff.

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Hey Boogie do the RCMP have any models for what would happen if Canada legalized and America didn't?

No, I don't think so.  I've never seen anything along those lines, and I doubt our intel sections would engage in that sort of speculative study.

My personal opinion is that the political consequences would probably outstrip the direct drug-related effects.

In Thor's own hypothetical, he projects "a corresponding HUUUGE uptick in smuggling into the United States".  Now, how do we suppose that would go over with a United States government that is still committed to prohibition of marijuana?

They'd blow their lids.  American officials already have the perception of Canadian border concerns putting economic interests way ahead of security concerns, and the legalization of marijuana by Canada without the same by the US would put HUGE tensions on US-Canadian relations.

We're already the world's #1 exporter of synthetic drugs such as ecstasy and Meth, and US Officials already have myths about terrorists infiltrating America through Canada.  Throw marijuana legalization on top of that, and I think there's a good likelihood that the world's most historically free and open border becomes a lot less so.  The border becomes tighter, inconveniencing travellers and putting possible significant economic costs to Canadian companies (American companies too, but as always, we're more reliant on trade with America than vice versa).

Would those possible negative effects be outweighed by possible positives of taking weed money out of the hands of organized crime, and taxing it as a source of revenue, and in saved law enforcement costs?  That's not for me to say.  I could see decriminalization happening in Canada without America moving first, but full legalization and regulation?  Can't see it.  Even the Netherlands doesn't really have full legalization, just sort of a tolerance of it.


(And I disagree with T234 just asserting that legalized weed in Canada means less coke brought north from the States.  That just doesn't make sense to me from an economic perspective, but whatevs.)


If weed was legal in Canada and you could buy however much you wanted in a store, there wouldn't be dudes trading coke for it, the price will have dropped to the point where the guys running the coke would rather sell it down here and send somebody north with a bunch of cash to buy the weed out of the stores. It would be unfavorable to the grower to trade because the trading value of the weed will have dropped to the point to where it wouldn't be worth trading that much of the fruits of his labor for such a small amount of coke. 
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You only get one body. It's your personal temple and shouldn't be poisoned. Go ahead and laugh at me, I'll be healthy and live a prosperous life
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thc is hardly a poison, in fact it isn't one, at all.  and what is your definition of "healthy"?  do you take supplements, grow/hunt/fish your own food and avoid taking in genetically modified foods in general?  unless i missed something i don't think you do any of those things. also i really don't see what marijuana has to do with achieving a prosperous life, again - at all

some of the healthiest people in the world have or do use pot

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If weed was legal in Canada and you could buy however much you wanted in a store, there wouldn't be dudes trading coke for it, the price will have dropped to the point where the guys running the coke would rather sell it down here and send somebody north with a bunch of cash to buy the weed out of the stores. It would be unfavorable to the grower to trade because the trading value of the weed will have dropped to the point to where it wouldn't be worth trading that much of the fruits of his labor for such a small amount of coke.

If the price of coke is higher in Canada than in the US, and the price of weed is higher in the US than Canada, then your scenario just leaves a bunch of money on the table for the American OC.

(I'm deliberately pulling prices out of my ass as a hypothetical, so don't jump on me for the numbers)  If a kilo of coke is worth 22k in the States, but 35k in Canada, then why would an American OC sell the coke domestically and then walk across the border, cash in hand, when he can get 35k worth of Canadian weed for the same product trading for it north of the border?  He's leaving 13k worth of weed on the table doing that. Moreover, as is the case with the current black market tobacco industry, the weed he buys legally in Canada with cash in hand will be more expensive than what he could get illicitly, so it's even more in his interest to trade for it.

And it is obviously in the interest of the illicit grower in Canada as well.  As the price drops in Canada, it's more favourable to trade for a more valuable product, not less.  Sell your product for cheap domestically, or trade it for a kilo of coke, which is worth far more?  No brainer.
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You only get one body. It's your personal temple and shouldn't be poisoned. Go ahead and laugh at me, I'll be healthy and live a prosperous life

I don't smoke weed/cigs (tried, not my thing), but your body is your own personal temple and you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with it... not have the gov't tell you what to do with it.
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You only get one body. It's your personal temple and shouldn't be poisoned. Go ahead and laugh at me, I'll be healthy and live a prosperous life

I don't smoke weed/cigs (tried, not my thing), but your body is your own personal temple and you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with it... not have the gov't tell you what to do with it.

Yes, but in that quote he was simply answering the question of whether he personally had ever tried drugs.
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This shit is awesome:

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You only get one body. It's your personal temple and shouldn't be poisoned. Go ahead and laugh at me, I'll be healthy and live a prosperous life
Marijuana actually isn't very harmful if at all.  Like I said, fast food definitely does more damage than the occasional toke.

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And yes, shrooms are definitely a life changing experience for the better

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Ron Paul would end the drug war, but only when he can magick his wizardry to every member of congress.  in other words, it's all nice and well to support the notion, but the man hasn't done bully to convince others
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When will America end the war on drugs? When 80% of the male black and latino populations are incarcerated?

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Ron Paul doesn't believe in separation between church and state. Stop supporting this whacko just 'cuz you want a legal joint.
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I love how Maurice thinks he'll LIVE FOREVER if he doesn't toke up now and then.

Food for some thought:

I know some people who smoked cigs and shit and STILL live well into their mid-90's.

I knew some people who were strong as hell and still die early. My friend Chad was the most athletically impressive guy I ever knew, played college basketball for the NCAA, smart guy too. He died from heart failure in his college dorm.
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I do it every once and a while, but I have no desire to do it unless around friends.  And even then, I can do without it.  All situational!
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I'm the same way.
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I love how Maurice thinks he'll LIVE FOREVER if he doesn't toke up now and then.

Food for some thought:

I know some people who smoked cigs and shit and STILL live well into their mid-90's.

I knew some people who were strong as hell and still die early. My friend Chad was the most athletically impressive guy I ever knew, played college basketball for the NCAA, smart guy too. He died from heart failure in his college dorm.

Well, there you have it!  Fuck exercise and start chain-smoking cigs because Himuro has two anecdotes that counter all them shmientific studies about how to live long and healthy!  ::)
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You have completely misconstrued that post. :lol
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I have a problem with people who give pot smokers a bad name.  The whole stereotypical stoner, I mean.  It's high-school mentality, and no one past the age of 17 thinks you're cool/uncool for smoking pot/not smoking.  So stop playing it up.
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I think Maurice is uncool for not smoking pot.  Then again, that's probably number 351 on the comprehensive list of reasons why he's uncool.
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I think Maurice is uncool for not smoking pot.  Then again, that's probably number 351 on the comprehensive list of reasons why he's uncool.

If he's uncool, it's for his reasons for not doing it, not the fact that he avoids it.
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I have a problem with people who give pot smokers a bad name.  The whole stereotypical stoner, I mean.  It's high-school mentality, and no one past the age of 17 thinks you're cool/uncool for smoking pot/not smoking.  So stop playing it up.

Yeah, that. Single-issue voters who seem to only care about pot leglislation over everything else also get on my nerves, but it's their right to be that way.
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You only get one body. It's your personal temple and shouldn't be poisoned. Go ahead and laugh at me, I'll be healthy and live a prosperous life
Marijuana actually isn't very harmful if at all.  Like I said, fast food definitely does more damage than the occasional toke.

This is like comparing unprotected sex to fast food, there not in the same ballpark. But whatevs
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Nailed it, Spencer.  PD is just keeps deflecting the fact that marijuana isn't actually that bad.  Seems like that home schooling really did a number on him.  :(

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Plus when people start smoking pot they smart smoking crack and other things. It's not called a gateway drug for no reason, gentlemen
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TakingBackSunday

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PD expertly trolling again
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Plus when people start smoking pot they smart smoking crack and other things. It's not called a gateway drug for no reason, gentlemen

PD expertly trolling again

Son of a bitch!  It became really obvious after this.  I always bite as his bait  :-*

BobFromPikeCreek

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I do it every once and a while, but I have no desire to do it unless around friends.  And even then, I can do without it.  All situational!

I'm so the opposite. I'd much rather smoke alone. Being high's awesome, but I get wicked paranoid around people. I probably just don't smoke frequently enough.
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