Author Topic: So that PSP Suikoden game... (Read 2042 times)

MCD · « **on:** February 11, 2012, 03:42:53 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35029507&postcount=134
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35045482&postcount=142

Is actually decent?

Himu · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2012, 03:44:03 PM »

Pro-tip: Shouta likes Suikoden IV

MCD · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2012, 03:45:15 PM »

Playable Jeane, what's not to like?

Himu · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2012, 03:46:05 PM »

Jeane has been a battle character for years.

MCD · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2012, 03:49:40 PM »

She started as a battle character in 4.

You just failed the Suiko test.

Himu · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2012, 03:54:28 PM »

Suikoden 4 came out in 2005. It is 2012. Hence, years.

Bebpo · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:01:52 PM »

Quote from: MCD on February 11, 2012, 03:42:53 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35029507&postcount=134
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35045482&postcount=142

Is actually decent?

Shouta is a big Suikoden fan, he thought Teirkries was a great game. So take that as you will.

Himu · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:03:19 PM »

Considering how much he likes IV I don't trust him.

MCD · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:03:29 PM »

And only one game came after 4 with a playable Jeane.

Besides, Suikoden 5 wasn't anything special. I don't see it above and beyond Suikoden 4 so Shouta liking it isn't all that weird.

At least the art was good (Suikoden 1 artist).

EDIT: Teirkries was actually good, gameplay-wise.

Himu · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:04:33 PM »

Suikoden V was fantastic.

Suikoden IV is average. That's a pretty big gap in quality.

MCD · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:05:54 PM »

It's average. Another filler Suikoden title with poor optimization.

FUCK THAT LOADING.

Bebpo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:07:34 PM »

I like Suikoden IV. Me and Shouta are bros on that.

I didn't play Teirkries more than like 30 mins, but it didn't seem Suikoden. Heard mixed things on it. But if MCD says it was good and Shouta says it was good, I'll take your word it was good.

So then it wouldn't be much of a surprise if the new PSP one was also at least "good".

Just throwing out some logic here. Even if it's a good game, I'm not interested in playing any Suikoden games that aren't canon.

Himu · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:09:27 PM »

Suikoden V has the best characterization in the series.
The most in-depth character recruiting.
The best main cast.
A really fun formation system.
Cool skill system though a step down from III.
Incredible music.
Awesome scenarios.
A fun war system.
Well written.

The only issues it has are mostly pacing, optimization (which wouldn't be as noticeable if they didn't have NOW LOADING every time you hit a black screen) and one-dimensional antagonists (for a Suikoden, this is the biggest sin you can make).

Shouta thinks IV is better than III. He can't be trusted.

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:10:08 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 11, 2012, 04:07:34 PM

I like Suikoden IV. Me and Shouta are bros on that.

I didn't play Teirkries more than like 30 mins, but it didn't seem Suikoden. Heard mixed things on it. But if MCD says it was good and Shouta says it was good, I'll take your word it was good.

So then it wouldn't be much of a surprise if the new PSP one was also at least "good".

Just throwing out some logic here. Even if it's a good game, I'm not interested in playing any Suikoden games that aren't canon.

Tierkries is a good jrpg.

it's not a good Suikoden, though. It's still better than IV.

MCD · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:14:32 PM »

>The best main cast.

AN OBNOXIOUS LOLI FOR A BODYGUARD SURE IS BEST

@bebpo, Teirkries is good but the whole world, the characters and so on aren't "Suikoden". It's like another game coated in a Suikoden formula AKA the battle system.

Himu · « **Reply #15 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:16:47 PM »

Suikoden II has Nanami. What is your point?

Suikoden V has the best main cast because almost every character is fleshed out. The game would use up almost half of its cast throughout the course of the story. I was really impressed by how it managed to do this without forgetting some characters existed and somehow, it didn't. You ended up with at least 40-50 characters involved in the main story by the end of the game.

The tradeoff is that this made the antagonists under developed.

MCD · « **Reply #16 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:26:08 PM »

Nanami is a true BRO.

Thanks to her we got one of the best scenes in Suikoden:

Just listen to GORUDO'S THEME

Himu · « **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:37:59 PM »

Nanami was stupid.

Oh hey gaiz i got shot in the gut with an arrow, I'm dead

lol just kidding I told the doctor to LIE TO YOU so I could run away like a coward

MCD · « **Reply #18 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:38:29 PM »

Himu:

Himu · « **Reply #19 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:39:41 PM »

The best jrpg

Himu · « **Reply #20 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:40:56 PM »

II > III = V > 1 > Tactics > Tierkries > IV

demi · « **Reply #21 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:46:40 PM »

I need IV and V, someone sell them to me

MCD · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:54:29 PM »

Cowardly tactics, that fucking Shu.

Look at all the soldiers protecting Luca with their lives. Luca was so fucking BOSS.

HERE I COME, MUSTAFA!!!!!!!

Himu · « **Reply #23 on:** February 11, 2012, 05:01:55 PM »

I TOOK HUNDREDS OF MEN IN MY LIFETIME, IT TOOK HUNDREDS TO KILL ME

magus · « **Reply #24 on:** February 11, 2012, 05:43:13 PM »

tiekresis is awfull,whole plot feels like a bad animu,the games goes at an unbearable pace and every character looks like a distinguished mentally-challenged midget

suikoden v is decent but i don't think you would miss much by skipping it

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2012, 06:30:40 PM »

Best part of Suikoden III:

Altho Geddoe was a real badass.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2012, 07:51:03 PM »

I liked the Indian girl that just wanted to drink soda pop all the time.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:11:40 PM »

Shouta thought White Knight Chronicles was masterpiece. I wouldn't wanna be seen agreeing with that type of person.

Diunx · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:17:45 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 11, 2012, 04:04:33 PM

Suikoden V was fantastic.

Suikoden IV is average. That's a pretty big gap in quality.

The fact that V was programed and designed by mongoloid monkeys prevent it from being fantastic, it was enjoyable though.

Himu · « **Reply #29 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:19:12 PM »

You act like IV was any better.

V's load times are better than IV's. They're just more frequent. IV also has random battles in towns, a slow ass ship that you use to navigate a world void of anything, and mundane 4 party battles.

Diunx · « **Reply #30 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:24:43 PM »

IV had a better menu system, the graphics looked better, the camera in V was fucking terrible, I felt like I was watching some animu fegs running around from a 5fht floor and IV was my first

gonna go hug the game while himu continues to defend the wasted potential that was suiko V.

Himu · « **Reply #31 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:29:36 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #32 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:37:59 PM »

Videos:

Tour of HQ

god so boring.

Battle/skill system

magus · « **Reply #33 on:** February 12, 2012, 06:22:08 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on February 12, 2012, 12:30:05 AM

Quote from: Shaka Khan on February 11, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
Shouta thought White Knight Chronicles was masterpiece. I wouldn't wanna be seen agreeing with that type of person.

When you're caught between agreeing with shouta and agreeing with magoose, what to do?

Anyway, Shouta and I rarely line up on *anything*, so I'd say having me and Shouta agreeing on a game speaks volumes. It's a good ol' PS1 style JRPG, and that's why I like it.

JOIN ME,TOGETHER WE CAN RULE THE GALAXY

MCD · « **Reply #34 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:01:10 AM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35183751&postcount=186

Quote from: Shouta

Done and got the true ending, very short game overall, about 30 hours unless you want to stuff that isn't really needed like maxing Affection ratings for everyone, sub-jobs, teaching all the skills to everyone, etc. I did use a little help for finding the stars towards the end so time might be a little longer for folks that don't want to use guides and the such.

On a full 1-10 scale, I'd probably give this a 6 or 7, above average but not great.

It has a lot to like, I think the story is pretty good, the characters aren't bad, I like the setting as well.

From a gameplay perspective though, it's too easy, skills are are unevenly distributed throughout the game, the mentoring system/pseudo-job system could've been taken farther or done better.

Crafting and meals are kinda nice as is the pairing and damage bonus for combos as well but again, could've taken a bigger leap with it. The Trap dungeons for easy money and Battle challenges were welcome but not enough to make up for some of the other shortcomings.

I will probably type up something a little more in-depth later about it. However, I do think that the issue for forthcoming Suikoden games will be a matter of properly replicating the gameplay more than anything. As long as you aren't clinging to the 1-5 canon like a hungry hyena, I think Konami can deliver a decent story.

Himu · « **Reply #35 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:04:22 AM »

I have not seen one video that doesn't make this game look boring as fuck. Suikoden was never about the battle system, 3 and arguably 5 aside. That's why the battles were always quick and fast-paced and

This looks slow as fuck, without 3's depth.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #36 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:46:31 AM »

WKC is fun in its own way- but its not setting the bar or anything

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