Author Topic: OK, sigma plus is kind of a turd (Read 6433 times)

Don Flamenco · « **on:** February 24, 2012, 11:20:25 AM »

30fps with slowdown when lots of enemies are shooting guns and rockets. Timing is all different, though I am used to it now.
Even worse platforming because of the timing and framerate.
no leaderboards?
after you beat alma, you get an item that breaks combat (with a small hit to health as a penalty that doesn't even matter)
Can't disable all the touch and gyro shit, except touch bow shots. Gyro aim is always on which fucks up your bow shots and he doesn't auto aim third-person shots like before.
Not even full sigma assets, clearly downgraded, kinda fuzzy looking, missing lighting all over
Even easier then before because enemies drop health every 2 or 3 kills.
For some reason, the square+X flip homes on dead enemies until they disappear now! This constantly fucks me up.

I'm playing on Hard

hayashi gaiden

Still a good game, but he pretty much removed the hardcoreness of the game by putting in game breaking stuff and removing the leaderboards. And TN messed up a few other not-so-small things. There's a new category of items called "enhancements" which gives you items that raise one and lower one attribute, and there are some that boost blue orbs or ninpo. Seemed like an alright idea until I got one that raises your attack power to the point where the game is broken.

edit: but there are trophies, which will be totally easy to get.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2012, 11:50:07 AM »

bike helmets are in:

just realized i still haven't equipped ninpo lol

chronovore · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2012, 12:13:08 PM »

Hayashi is so badass, his feet never touch the ground.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2012, 12:14:05 PM »

wait, yeah, why the fuck is he floating

Bebpo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2012, 01:23:56 PM »

NG3 is going to be hilarious.

For the Vita game they should have just ported the original Xbox NG Black. Should've run perfectly, no downgrade needed.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2012, 01:41:24 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 24, 2012, 01:23:56 PM

NG3 is going to be hilarious.

For the Vita game they should have just ported the original Xbox NG Black. Should've run perfectly, no downgrade needed.

Real fucking talk. I'd buy that in an instant.

bork · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2012, 04:29:16 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 24, 2012, 01:23:56 PM

NG3 is going to be hilarious.

For the Vita game they should have just ported the original Xbox NG Black. Should've run perfectly, no downgrade needed.

I expect nothing from NG3...the only excitement for it seems to be from the included DOA5 demo.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2012, 04:31:08 PM »

Dunno if those were just bad shots but they look garbage. GOW on PSP looked tons better.

Bebpo · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2012, 04:39:53 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2012, 04:31:08 PM

Dunno if those were just bad shots but they look garbage. GOW on PSP looked tons better.

The in-game screenshot feature on Vita is worse than Steam. Far worse. It makes every game look like shit in screens, though a lot of them look really nice.

Enl · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2012, 05:11:32 PM »

30 fps in a Ninja Gaiden game?

Robo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2012, 05:17:50 PM »

Quote from: chronovore on February 24, 2012, 12:13:08 PM

Hayashi is so badass, his feet never touch the ground.

what a turd

Bebpo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2012, 06:20:25 PM »

I've never made a 3d game before. Is it hard to make a character's feet touch the ground? He's not even on a hill. It's level ground.

magus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2012, 06:24:11 PM »

umm out of curiosity

who is this hayashi guys and why all of you don't like him?

MCD · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2012, 08:01:37 PM »

I thought it's 60fps with slowdowns, lol.

Will probably buy it anyway.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2012, 08:36:28 PM »

Was Hiyashi responsible for Sigma 1 and 2 on consoles?

chronovore · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2012, 08:37:28 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 24, 2012, 06:20:25 PM

I've never made a 3d game before. Is it hard to make a character's feet touch the ground? He's not even on a hill. It's level ground.

It's not hard.

cool breeze · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2012, 08:52:19 PM »

wasn't he also behind Ninja Gaiden DS?

if he was, that's another notch on his wall of shame.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #17 on:** February 24, 2012, 09:42:56 PM »

Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 24, 2012, 06:27:56 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on February 24, 2012, 06:20:25 PM
I've never made a 3d game before. Is it hard to make a character's feet touch the ground? He's not even on a hill. It's level ground.
You simply need the world terrain to line up with the collision (these are not the same things). It's pretty fucking easy.

well, they probably did that here -- this looks like a bogus projection of the shadow stencil. still, AMATEUR HOUR.

iconoclast · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2012, 02:37:49 AM »

Quote from: magus on February 24, 2012, 06:24:11 PM

umm out of curiosity

who is this hayashi guys and why all of you don't like him?

His MO is to ruin Ninja Gaiden. So far he's done a great job by butchering NG1 (twice) and NG2, and making NG3 look like absolute garbage.

MCD · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2012, 05:40:25 PM »

IF I SEE THIS FUCKING NOW LOADING ONE MORE TIME...

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2012, 06:00:15 PM »

same shitty sigma mid battle loads

MCD · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2012, 06:04:03 PM »

But my super snes cartridges had no loading Wtf Sony

Himu · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2012, 06:06:33 PM »

Fuck that, look at the characters models. holy shit. amateur hour indeed

cool breeze · « **Reply #23 on:** February 25, 2012, 06:11:06 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 24, 2012, 01:23:56 PM

For the Vita game they should have just ported the original Xbox NG Black. Should've run perfectly, no downgrade needed.

that would have been preferable. for ports I'd rather they improve PS2/Xbox games than downgrade PS3/360 games.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #24 on:** February 25, 2012, 06:58:46 PM »

Petition to rename dev 'Team Nonja'

Rman · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2012, 07:17:06 PM »

Team Ninja Dog strikes again. NGB was such a masterpiece. Too bad it was never surpassed. Even NG2 on the 360 was rough.

Himu · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2012, 07:20:55 PM »

NG2 would have been better than NGB if Itagaki gave it more time in the oven. As it stands, NG2's combat is certainly miles ahead of NGB's.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #27 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:22:52 PM »

It's not NGB but it's way better than I was ever expecting to be able to play on a handheld with proper controls so fuck y'all, I'm lovin' it

Bebpo · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:25:17 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on February 25, 2012, 06:11:06 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on February 24, 2012, 01:23:56 PM
For the Vita game they should have just ported the original Xbox NG Black. Should've run perfectly, no downgrade needed.

that would have been preferable. for ports I'd rather they improve PS2/Xbox games than downgrade PS3/360 games.

The problem is Sony told everyone Vita was a portable "PS3", so now devs feel like consumers expect their games to look like PS3 revisions. :| Hardware-wise, at least from launch titles, Vita is defiiiinitely not a portable PS3/X360. It seems morel like an Xbox that can pull off X360/PS3 effects. Which is what people said the 3DS was, which they were also fucking crazy as even the best 3DS game doesn't look better than a GC game with a lower poly count, smaller environments, and a few shiny filters. I'd call the 3DS Xbox-- and Vita Xbox++ at least with their first year stuff. It's possible that as devs get the hang of the Vita it'll pull off near PS3/X360 quality visuals (30fps, qHD, large environments, good textures, high poly models, nice effects, MLAA/2x/4xAA). But for now, yeah, they should stick to porting PS2/Xbox/GC games to the Vita with upgraded visuals rather than PS3/X360 games with downgraded visuals.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:30:47 PM »

Are consumers really expecting that after seeing the 'portable PS2'?

cool breeze · « **Reply #30 on:** February 25, 2012, 10:01:00 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 25, 2012, 09:25:17 PM

Quote from: Linkzg on February 25, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Bebpo on February 24, 2012, 01:23:56 PM
For the Vita game they should have just ported the original Xbox NG Black. Should've run perfectly, no downgrade needed.

that would have been preferable. for ports I'd rather they improve PS2/Xbox games than downgrade PS3/360 games.

The problem is Sony told everyone Vita was a portable "PS3", so now devs feel like consumers expect their games to look like PS3 revisions. :| Hardware-wise, at least from launch titles, Vita is defiiiinitely not a portable PS3/X360. It seems morel like an Xbox that can pull off X360/PS3 effects. Which is what people said the 3DS was, which they were also fucking crazy as even the best 3DS game doesn't look better than a GC game with a lower poly count, smaller environments, and a few shiny filters. I'd call the 3DS Xbox-- and Vita Xbox++ at least with their first year stuff. It's possible that as devs get the hang of the Vita it'll pull off near PS3/X360 quality visuals (30fps, qHD, large environments, good textures, high poly models, nice effects, MLAA/2x/4xAA). But for now, yeah, they should stick to porting PS2/Xbox/GC games to the Vita with upgraded visuals rather than PS3/X360 games with downgraded visuals.

yeah, that's why I think there should be more games made for the 3DS and Vita. To be fair, 3DS games support 3D and it is a burden on whatever theoretical power it has, and some games perform differently with 3D on. Whether 2D improves performance or 3D worsens it is debatable (not really). But yeah, the best looking game by a huge margin is Resident Evil Revelation and it's quite a lot weaker than RE4 while simultaneously pushing some 'next gen' effects.

taking last gen games and improving performance still makes a huge impact. There's a massive chasm between MGS3 in HD at 60 fps and MGS3 on PS2, or worse, 3DS. There's a bunch of good examples in the Dolphin (Wii/gamecube) and PS2 emulator threads on gaf.

Rman · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2012, 11:15:59 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2012, 09:22:52 PM

It's not NGB but it's way better than I was ever expecting to be able to play on a handheld with proper controls so fuck y'all, I'm lovin' it

To be fair, even with those issues, the game is still strong. First time playing any of the 3d NG games?

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #32 on:** February 25, 2012, 11:26:50 PM »

anyone who says the Vita is more a xbox 1 should boot up Virtua Tennis. it looks better than almost every single tennis game on the 360 including top spin 2.

cool breeze · « **Reply #33 on:** February 26, 2012, 12:52:57 AM »

VT4 on the vita looks incredible and all, but VT4 on consoles didn't match up to Top Spin 4 or Grand Slam Tennis 2.

I'm more looking forward to seeing how The Show will look. Sports games are often overlooked whenever people talk about graphics, but The Show and the 2K Basketball games look incredible.

Bebpo · « **Reply #34 on:** February 26, 2012, 12:56:09 AM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on February 25, 2012, 11:26:50 PM

anyone who says the Vita is more a xbox 1 should boot up Virtua Tennis. it looks better than almost every single tennis game on the 360 including top spin 2.

I tried the demo and while it is SHARP and 60fps, it's two low-poly characters on a simple environment screen. Not really heavy duty visual pusher. Whenever it shows close ups during the replays or between rounds the framerate totally dies (15-20fps) as it switches to higher poly models.

It's definitely a good port, but I dunno, I don't find running 2 small character models on a screen at 544p/60fps incredibly impressive on a tech level.

I'm not really sure what game is the most technically impressive from the launch list. Uncharted has some GREAT looking areas later on, but the framerate is low and the resolution is 408p. Wipeout looks amazing but doesn't even hold 30fps locked in races with other ships. Rayman is perfect but 2d games don't really count as they're not horsepower games.

Honestly I think it might be Musou

It keeps 60fps most of the time with models that look on par with the PS3 game and tons of them at once + effects. Shinobido 2 is kind of nice in that it's PS2-era visuals but locked 30fps with AA so everything is very clean and smooth and at least PS2 model quality.

maxy · « **Reply #35 on:** February 26, 2012, 04:31:07 AM »

serves you right for buying that game in the first place

MCD · « **Reply #36 on:** February 26, 2012, 01:06:56 PM »

Gotta love Twin Blades. Not only they have a broken Flying Swallow against Alma but they even get you off the map.

Bebpo · « **Reply #37 on:** February 26, 2012, 01:33:45 PM »

lololol

MCD · « **Reply #38 on:** February 29, 2012, 03:40:35 AM »

Military base + gyro aim = hell mode

Did they beta test this shit?

bork · « **Reply #39 on:** February 29, 2012, 11:17:03 AM »

Quote from: MCD on February 29, 2012, 03:40:35 AM

Military base + gyro aim = hell mode

Did they beta test this shit?

MCD · « **Reply #40 on:** February 29, 2012, 12:00:05 PM »

bork · « **Reply #41 on:** February 29, 2012, 12:17:23 PM »

I don't care much for Ninja Gaiden 3, but the "new" Team Ninja track record really has me wondering how DOA5 is going to turn out.

chronovore · « **Reply #42 on:** February 29, 2012, 02:23:37 PM »

Quote from: lyte edge on February 29, 2012, 12:17:23 PM

I don't care much for Ninja Gaiden 3, but the "new" Team Ninja track record really has me wondering how DOA5 is going to turn out.

The characters will probably be a little off, and upset some of the purists among the fans.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

bork · « **Reply #43 on:** February 29, 2012, 02:25:06 PM »

Farley would make an amazing addition to DOA5.

Eric P · « **Reply #44 on:** February 29, 2012, 04:11:37 PM »

just imagine the jiggle!

bork · « **Reply #45 on:** February 29, 2012, 04:13:24 PM »

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #46 on:** February 29, 2012, 05:21:35 PM »

ok, i admit i shook my psp around to see if Rachel would jiggle. They move around so much in game I couldn't tell if I was doing it or the game. You have to wait a few seconds for her to stop jiggling after standing still. it's like that simpsons ep where dr. hibbard times homer's fat jiggle.

also, i fucking deleted my whole save, got up to the military base chapter

I had a 4gb card that I used as a fridge and rotated some downloadable games on it. I could've just completely missed this, but I don't think it warned me that I would lose my saves. I just assumed they'd be kept in a folder, like on PS3 and PSP. also lost a Dracula X save with Rondo 8bit and SOTN unlocked, with about an hour into SOTN. That sucks cause it doesn't really get super addictive and fun until you've covered most of the first map and have a bunch of new powers, imo. and some Third Birthday data, but it was only a few minutes of play. Got a 16gb card, so that won't happen again.

After losing that much progress and my disappointment with NGS, not sure when I'll get back to it. Has anyone here beat it yet? Are leaderboards unlocked?

MCD · « **Reply #47 on:** February 29, 2012, 05:57:00 PM »

No. I am moving slowly because game is so boring and slow.

I want my NG2.

Bebpo · « **Reply #48 on:** February 29, 2012, 06:53:44 PM »

Quote from: Don Flamenco on February 29, 2012, 05:21:35 PM

ok, i admit i shook my psp around to see if Rachel would jiggle. They move around so much in game I couldn't tell if I was doing it or the game. You have to wait a few seconds for her to stop jiggling after standing still. it's like that simpsons ep where dr. hibbard times homer's fat jiggle.

also, i fucking deleted my whole save, got up to the military base chapter I had a 4gb card that I used as a fridge and rotated some downloadable games on it. I could've just completely missed this, but I don't think it warned me that I would lose my saves. I just assumed they'd be kept in a folder, like on PS3 and PSP. also lost a Dracula X save with Rondo 8bit and SOTN unlocked, with about an hour into SOTN. That sucks cause it doesn't really get super addictive and fun until you've covered most of the first map and have a bunch of new powers, imo. and some Third Birthday data, but it was only a few minutes of play. Got a 16gb card, so that won't happen again.

After losing that much progress and my disappointment with NGS, not sure when I'll get back to it. Has anyone here beat it yet? Are leaderboards unlocked?

Yeah, I think there needed to be a bigger system warning about how Vita handles save games. Because there's going to be a LOT of pissed off customers in the future when they all lose their saves.

MCD · « **Reply #49 on:** March 03, 2012, 01:29:23 PM »

Beat hard and no, there are no leaderboards as far as I can tell.

And for some reason, unlocked customs have pros and cons now, take a look:

News:

Author Topic: OK, sigma plus is kind of a turd (Read 6433 times)