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FlameOfCallandor

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I guess the topic of minimum wage is coming up again and I figured evilbore was a good a place as any to have this discussion.

I think companies need to start paying a respectable wages which is more than minimum wage, but I dont like the idea of government interfering to set minimum wage as a "standard of living." After all its supposed to be the minimum someone in the country should be paid. I really dont think burger flippers deserve more.

 

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To live.  In 1960's the living wage was 10 cents higher then the minimum wage, right now it's $4 higher.  It doesn't adjust according to inflation so that politicians can make this an issue for idiots to get upset about you worthless prick.

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I love how FoC is trying to imply that increasing the minimum wage would only help fast food workers.  ::)

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I love how FoC is trying to imply that increasing the minimum wage would only help fast food workers.  ::)

Nope never did i imply that. Try again.

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What would you do without the burger flippers? Flip your own? By going to these places to eat its clear you can barely wipe your own ass. This suggests that burger flippers are at the very least, a requirement of a society so focused on fast living and fast food.

As such, their wages should go up to keep even with the cost of living in any particular area. Granted they shouldnt be making bank, but when burger jobs stop paying enough to pay the bills for people who dont have everything handed to them on a silver platter...well lets just say all of us will be eating at home more often or subject ourselves to longer lines and poor quality food service.

These people handle meat, we should pay them ENOUGH.
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They should raise the National Minimum Wage to $8.00.

FlameOfCallandor

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I guess what it comes down to is i just dont like the idea of the goverment telling each state what they should be doing. Im more open to a state minumum wage increase. The cost of living is pretty vast in the country.

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Cook your own food! >:(

I wouldn't say burger flippers should only be paid $5.15, but I certainly don't agree that they should be paid $10/hr either.

Lets stop being politically correct for a minute and be real: burger flipping is not a career. I'm sorry. If you're doing that at 40 years old you shouldn't be expecting to live well off anyway.

18 year olds doing that for summer/semester money seems to be more of the norm than older people doing it for a life.

If I had my way I'd ban all fast food in the country and just have local groceries sell all the burger ingrediants. It's un-American of them when they refuse to just give me a pound of chalupa bread so I can make my own damn sandwich. >:(
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Most states dont listen to the National Minimum Wage anyway since the current rate is pretty silly. WA is at like 7.50 right now if not a little more.

National Min Wage has become a weird bargaining chip in politics. It going up or staying doesnt actually affect anyone so much as it supposedly makes a 'statement' about how a political party feels about Rich vs Poor.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2007, 04:31:28 PM »
PD: I think when youre all grown up and know how much life actually COSTS you can comment on how much OTHER people should be making.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2007, 04:31:36 PM »
Which is rediculous, because I can think of so many more regulations that people (poor and middle class) need. Like Healthcare!

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 04:33:08 PM »
There shouldn't be a national minimum wage.  It should be set by the individual states, maybe even down to the county level.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2007, 04:34:29 PM »
I go to the doctor like once every 10 year, if anything MOST people go to the doctor too often.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2007, 04:34:56 PM »
PD: I think when youre all grown up and know how much life actually COSTS you can comment on how much OTHER people should be making.

HAY I put screws into bolts and get $30 an hour thanks to the UAW. I wonder why Ford is going under lol



































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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2007, 05:07:47 PM »
I guess what it comes down to is i just dont like the idea of the goverment telling each state what they should be doing. Im more open to a state minumum wage increase. The cost of living is pretty vast in the country.

But the fact that your thread title questions why people who earn the minimum wage should have more than $5.15 an hour is disturbing. The minimum wage needs increased. End of story.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2007, 05:12:32 PM »
There shouldn't be a national minimum wage.  It should be set by the individual states, maybe even down to the county level.

Agreed.  Standards of living vary greatly by area in this country.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2007, 05:13:35 PM »
I don't know what to make out of this thread, can someone help me?
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2007, 05:15:23 PM »
tsc tsc.

I feel bad for some of the people who work there who are adults though - must be hard trying to get a job without a college education/degree when your that old.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2007, 05:16:39 PM »
tsc tsc.

I feel bad for some of the people who work there who are adults though - must be hard trying to get a job without a college education/degree when your that old.

Not really. There are more jobs than ones that involve being a burger flipper, ya?
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2007, 05:19:03 PM »
for some there really isn't something beyond that.

I make more than half the minimum wage :dance.  Besides the adults here, I'm pretty sure cloud makes a good amount of money an hour for retail as well.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2007, 05:21:21 PM »
I make 6.15 per hour or something at pizza hut.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 05:26:51 PM »
Being 'old' AND under-educated excludes you from almost every non-degree job. Why old dudes dont just learn to be a bartender is beyond my understanding tho. That'd be awesome.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 05:28:01 PM »
I make 6.15 per hour or something at pizza hut.

The minimum wage was just raised dude, to like 7 dollars look into that.  I make 15 an hour :heart.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2007, 05:29:51 PM »
I'm gonna own a pub when I'm 60. It will ROCK.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2007, 06:10:03 PM »
I go to the doctor like once every 10 year, if anything MOST people go to the doctor too often.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2007, 06:11:52 PM »
MAF is right, you are stupid.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2007, 07:53:03 PM »
I make 6.15 per hour or something at pizza hut.

The minimum wage was just raised dude, to like 7 dollars look into that.  I make 15 an hour :heart.


I make about the same, but I have a lot of experience and lucked into a really good job. I just often wish it wasn't retail, but something else.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2007, 08:52:51 PM »
About 2% of adult workers make minimum wage so it seems like a non-issue that does not affect many workers. However low skilled workers without much education (or philosophy majors) usually have to work terrible jobs and should be compensated decently. The state should establish some base minimum that is respectable. 

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2007, 09:29:23 PM »
No, they really shouldn't.  But now in Ohio they make $6.85.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2007, 09:34:21 PM »
$18.50 an hour working at mcdonalds...  :lol

You guys are getting royally screwed with wages.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2007, 09:42:20 PM »
18.50? Management? Shift something? Where do you live? San Fran?
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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2007, 12:15:23 AM »
Ultimately, how many times do you really have to flip burgers in the first place?  Just once per burger.  It's a fucking coush job; be lucky I pay you anything, you freeloading do-nothing slack-workers.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2007, 12:17:52 AM »
I don't think overly educated but largely useless and undisciplined college grads should get over $5.15/hour, either.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2007, 08:53:38 AM »
Won't the minimum wage be upped to $7.50 within a few days? It is part of the Dem's 100 hour plan and Bush has implied he wont veto it.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2007, 09:09:01 AM »
Being 'old' AND under-educated excludes you from almost every non-degree job. Why old dudes dont just learn to be a bartender is beyond my understanding tho. That'd be awesome.
I'm sort of old I guess at 32 and a bartender.  Did it in college.  Dropped out of a Philosophy major when I decided that everything that could be said about the Human condition had been said in the Sermon on the Mount.  Still doing it today.  We actually make less than minimum wage being tipped employees.  On a good night with tips you can make an obscene amount of money.  On a bad day though, it's ugly.  Have enough bad nights in a month and you're fucked. You really learn how to budget.

Anyway, minimum wage.  It should be called a living wage and be raised.  Period.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2007, 09:12:11 AM »
That's my argument though, minimum wage isnt a living wage. It's a minimum.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2007, 09:15:00 AM »
The problem is if the minimum wage goes up by a larger amount, stuff like the .99 cent menu at MCd's is gone.

They will adjust prices to match what they have to pay employee's

I'm all for people making a fair wage, but it's gonna skew everything else, and the government will wiggle more taxes out of us.

It's fucked situation that os beyond broken at this point.

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2007, 09:15:55 AM »
That's my argument though, minimum wage isnt a living wage. It's a minimum.
I understand, but shouldn't they be the same thing?  If a living wage is the wage required to live on, how can any wage below that be acceptable?

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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2007, 09:57:11 AM »
Most states dont listen to the National Minimum Wage anyway since the current rate is pretty silly. WA is at like 7.50 right now if not a little more.


Hi! I live in KY, which means that I will never, EVER, get more than $5.15 an hour. EVER. There are no plans to rage the wage, and this sucks.

National Minimum Wage? Uhh, yeah, raise that shit. NOW.
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« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2007, 12:52:57 PM »
Should minimum wage be a subsistence wage though; or should there be incentive to move to different jobs, higher positions, better education, etc?  If there are no available jobs I can understand the argument, but then why not implement policies that create higher-classes of jobs than flipping burgers?
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2007, 01:15:40 PM »
gee, can EVERYBODY be a lawyer or a doctor or a space engineer? sorry, we NEED burger flippers and furniture lifters and auto parts salesmen and secretaries. There isn't a position as astronaut available for EVERYBODY who wants to be one.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2007, 01:16:47 PM »
The problem is if the minimum wage goes up by a larger amount, stuff like the .99 cent menu at MCd's is gone.

Oh goodness no!  What will we ever do!  Where will we get our cancer at once the dollar menu is gone!
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2007, 01:32:42 PM »
The problem is if the minimum wage goes up by a larger amount, stuff like the .99 cent menu at MCd's is gone.

Oh goodness no!  What will we ever do!  Where will we get our cancer at once the dollar menu is gone!

It was one example, alot of things would go up in price.

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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2007, 01:41:16 PM »
The problem is if the minimum wage goes up by a larger amount, stuff like the .99 cent menu at MCd's is gone.

Oh goodness no!  What will we ever do!  Where will we get our cancer at once the dollar menu is gone!

It was one example, alot of things would go up in price.



Well, what did you mean by larger amount?  Going to 7 or 725 or 715 or whatever wouldn't cause a cataclysm.  If someone like McDonalds did shitcan their dollar menu, it would be out of PROTEST at being unhappy to pay more, not because the raise put them in financial shambles.
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« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2007, 01:44:34 PM »
gee, can EVERYBODY be a lawyer or a doctor or a space engineer? sorry, we NEED burger flippers and furniture lifters and auto parts salesmen and secretaries. There isn't a position as astronaut available for EVERYBODY who wants to be one.

Secretaries can be paid well, depending on who they work for.  There's also a career path there to office manager.  Do we need burger flippers?  Sure, but there's a continuous influx of new high school and college-age kids who can use money on that level.  Personally I'd think that encouraging upward mobility would be better than enforcing a low-skill, low-demand, underclass status-quo, but I'm not a Socialist.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2007, 01:47:09 PM »
The problem is if the minimum wage goes up by a larger amount, stuff like the .99 cent menu at MCd's is gone.

Oh goodness no!  What will we ever do!  Where will we get our cancer at once the dollar menu is gone!

It was one example, alot of things would go up in price.



Well, what did you mean by larger amount?  Going to 7 or 725 or 715 or whatever wouldn't cause a cataclysm.  If someone like McDonalds did shitcan their dollar menu, it would be out of PROTEST at being unhappy to pay more, not because the raise put them in financial shambles.


$5.15 going to even $6 would be fine, anything over that and companies would squirm.

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« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2007, 02:42:20 PM »
Personally I'd think that encouraging upward mobility would be better than enforcing a low-skill, low-demand, underclass status-quo.

Yes! Because encouraging kids to aim for something that statistics would prove not all of them would end up getting is such a better idea than offering an alternative that at least gives one a true living wage and something called stability::)

No one in support of a higher minimum wage is asking for a handout. Just being able to eventually manage to live off of such a wage without gasping for air in the United States of America really shouldn't be asking for much.

But thanks to the corporate cocksuckers of this fine nation, the rich get richer while the poor would be lucky to even get close to staying afloat. And the middle class? What's that?
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« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2007, 04:13:17 PM »
lol, Diablos.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2007, 04:13:31 PM »
gee, and we should have all office managers and no secretaries just because people have ambition? Sorry; we already have too many bureaucratic cogs -- we should start paying the people that actually DO the services closer to what they're worth, and start paying the bureaucrats (of which I am one), astronauts, investment bankers and lawyers LESS.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2007, 04:14:16 PM »
sadly, though, raising the minimum wage doesn't matter, because inflation will increase correspondingly regardless.
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« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2007, 04:47:17 PM »
I'm not opposed to paying people what they're worth though, so don't cast what I'm saying in that light.  Totally different issue.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2007, 04:58:29 PM »
I personally see a burger flipper as more valuable than a middle-management bureaucrat, an investment banker, or a lawyer -- at least a burger flipper PREPARES FOOD FOR ME. The other ones? They're leeches. Given that most of a position's perceived "value" is purely cultural/societal and not grounded in any practical contribution to society at large or in the amount of human heat energy expended in its pursuit, I'm all for normalizing salaries and relegating degrees to second-tier consideration when evaluating an employee's worth.
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« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2007, 05:00:04 PM »
I go to the doctor like once every 10 year, if anything MOST people go to the doctor too often.

Dumbest thing I've seen in awhile. 

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« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2007, 05:01:14 PM »
I go to the doctor like once every 10 year, if anything MOST people go to the doctor too often.

Dumbest thing I've seen in awhile. 

I haven't been to a doctor in like 6 years and I have COMPLETELY AWESOME healthcare that's pretty much free with free prescriptions and free tame doctors. 
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2007, 05:04:55 PM »
Some people go to the doctor for ANYTHING, its pretty silly.
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« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2007, 05:05:43 PM »
The healthcare industry is in such ruins exactly because people don't see the doctor enough; or don't take the necessary steps to ensure the well-being of their health.  People just wait willy-nilly until an emergency or some other debilitating problem arises in which not only have you fucked yourself over, but you've fucked over the hospital, the doctors, and many a taxpayer.  One of these days, people are going to realize preventive care is the way to go.  Obviously, there are exceptions.  And I'm not suggesting that people arrive en masse at their local clinic or hospital over simple things like hangnails or anal fissures(Saint...), but instead develop and maintain a routine with your doctor in which you are required to see your doctor set amount of times a year and complete any tests ordered.  In some states, there are even incentives in following through with your care. 
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« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2007, 05:07:23 PM »
Doctors cant make them be healthy, and they wont do it on their own. Sounds like a personal problem. I have healthcare, but I take it upon myself to remain healthy and keep doctor visits to a minimum.
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« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2007, 05:07:28 PM »
I thought the health care industry was fucked because people couldn't afford to go to the doctor enough.  My mom has a half dozen little problems she'd like to have looked at, but she's kinda stuck waiting until something major happens because if she went to the doctor for every little thing, she wouldn't be able to afford things like food.  And electricity.  ANd she's pretty stable middle class, with a degree of healthcare.
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Re: Is there any reason that burger flippers should be getting more than $5.15
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2007, 05:09:21 PM »
People not being able to afford healthcare when they NEED it IS a problem. But people going all willy nilly just CAUSE they can afford it clogs up clinics like crazy.
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