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Fukushima Nuclear Disaster - One year later (WALL OF TEXT)
« on: March 14, 2012, 10:23:14 AM »
So, the one year anniversary of the Tohoku earthquake, tsunami and Fukushima Daiichi accident made me look through this thread the other day, just to see the general reactions from both J-Bore and us others. The reactions and anxiety about the nuclear accident was particularly striking to me, given that we were all reacting to the VERY scarce information to come out of TEPCO and the japanese government. I thought I'd make a thread about this now, since a lot of info was hidden away for many months, and lots of investigations and reconstructions have since been made. Nuke geekery go go.

Meltdowns
In the old thread, while the crisis was going on, everyone hoped and was made to believe that meltdowns in any of the three operating reactors (1, 2 and 3) was very unlikely even with total loss of power, and that the containment structures would prevent a large-scale contamination incident even if meltdowns took place.

What we know now, from the released TEPCO data and various simulations and reconstructions (most notably one done by NHK along with senior experts in material science and nuclear engineering) is that all three reactors suffered total fuel meltdown and melt-through a fairly short time after the tsunami hit. In reactor #1, the water level in the reactor pressure vessel (RPV) sank to the top of the fuel rods in approximately one hour after total loss of power. The same night (March 11:th), the fuel rods were completely uncovered, and reactor #1 suffered a total fuel meltdown at around 1AM on March 12, and the molten fuel breached the RPV and started falling into the bottom of the containment structure at around 2AM on March 12.

Noone had any idea that this was happening, because the only instruments working in the control room after the total loss of power were the RPV water gauges, which were only powered up and working around 5PM (the technicians brought in 12V batteries from vehicles on the site). We also now know that these gauges were showing faulty values, since they are calibrated using a water level inside an instrument to measure pressure. The calibration water had been evaporated by the heat, causing the water gauges to show way too high readings, and values that actually increased as the water boiled away. The same thing happened in the TMI plant in the Harrisburg incident. Regulators and nuclear scientists have been clamoring for a better system, but it is yet to be implemented in japanese reactors.

On the evening of March 11:th, more batteries was brought in and the containment pressure gauge was powered up, showing a significantly elevated pressure. The steam pressure in the RPV had started leaking out into the containment structure, so the steam needed to be vented to prevent a containment breach. Prime minister Kan authorized the venting, but all the valves had to be operated manually, so it took well into the next day for the venting to be initialized. The steam was vented through the filter stack, but radionuclides still escaped to contaminate the surroundings. About an hour after the first venting, the hydrogen explosion at unit #1 took place.

In the following day or two, reactor #2 and #3 also suffered total meltdown and melt-through, with reactor #3 suffering a similar (but more powerful) hydrogen explosion as #1, and reactor #2 suffered an internal explosion and breach of the suppression torus at the bottom of the containment structure. This led to the biggest dispersion of radioactive material of the entire incident.

The Isolation Condensers
In reactors of the type used in Fukushima Daiichi, there is really only one passive cooling system for the reactors: the isolation condenser (RCIC). It's a water-filled tank at a high level in the reactor building. If steam pressure builds up and the water level drops in the RPV, you can open valves to lead steam from the RPV through a piping system into the isolation condenser, where it is cooled by the water in the tank, condenses to water again, and is fed back to the reactor. The problem is, the valves for the RCIC are powered-open, so if a total loss of power incident occurs, the valves have to be opened manually. In the US, this is a well-known fact, and is a routine that is in the NRC-audited manuals. US plant personnel perform drills regularly to be aware how to open the RCIC valves manually.

In Japan, this routine has not been established, and the personnel at Fukushima Daiichi were completely oblivious to the fact that the RCIC valves were shut when power was lost. At around 4PM on March 11:th, two technicians were sent to do a visual inspection of the RCIC in reactor building #1, but the technicians turned back when they encountered elevated radiation readings when entering the reactor building. If the technicians had gone through with the inspection, the RCIC might have been put in use manually, and may have prevented or at least significantly delayed the meltdown. It was not until after 5PM, when the UPS batteries temporarily re-powered the control room bridge, when the valves were opened. Shockingly, the valves were ordered shut around an hour later, because of fear that the RCIC cooling water had evaporated, and that the tank might be breached, allowing unfiltered steam to escape.

Subsequent simulations and reconstructions have confirmed that the RCIC should definitely be in use at all times during a loss of power incident. Even with minimal cooling water in the RCIC tank, it would have contributed in stabilizing, or even raising, the cooling water level in the RPV, thereby delaying or even preventing a fuel meltdown. Also, the researchers commissioned by the NHK unanimously ruled out any risk of piping breaches in the RCIC, there would not be enough steam pressure. The data and reconstructions I've looked at only concerned the happenings at reactor #1, but I assume the same confusion probably happened in the two other reactors as well.

Aftermath
The evacuation not only forced around 150000 people to leave their homes, but also prevented tsunami survivors to search for missing family members. Trapped survivors inside the evac zone may very well have been saved, or at least recovered earlier, but the first body searches in areas close to the plant, like Okuma, were not conducted until almost two months after the tsunami hit. The 20km radius exclusion zone remains a no-entry area, with limited exceptions being granted for residents who are thoroughly screened on entry and exit.

A massive decontamination operation costing billions of dollars is now being initiated, with some estimates claiming that 3% of the total land area of Japan need to be sanitized in some way. Some areas that became hotspots after falling snow brought down radionuclides to the ground may stay uninhabitable for decades, due to the long half-life (30 years) of Cesium 137.
Info from JAIF:
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"In advance of decontamination work for evacuation area, which is supposed to be conducted by the central government, MOE conducted radiation measurement at every 100 square meters in the area. Detected highest radiation is 89.9μSv/hr."
With 89.9μSv/hr, the yearly dose rate is 787,5 mSv/year. The maximum allowable for civilians is 20mSv/year. MEXT has decided to lower the threshold for cumulative external radiation permitted at schools and kindergartens to a maximum annual exposure of 1 mSv. You can check the full JAIF PDF here.

Current status
As of Feb 20:th, only TWO out of Japan's total 54 nuclear reactors are running:



The rest of the reactors are currently halted awaiting results from stress tests being evaluated at Kansai EP Co:s Ohi plant in the "Genpatsu Ginza" area on japan's west coast. The results should be published fairly soon.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 01:26:39 PM »
I am wondering if they have only 3 out of 50 nuclear power plants operating (say 10%) who supplies the power they used to supply?

Well. Nuclear power supplies around 30% of the electricity need in japan. The system isn't designed to have all the units running at once of course, since there will always be outages for refuelling and inspections. But having only 2 running units is very low. The slack is being picked up by thermal plants (mostly coal), some of which were suspended but have been brought back into emergency service. Luckily the load on the grid is fairly low at this time of year, not too much power needed for heating or cooling.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 06:03:04 PM »
What the fuck. Only two are running? This has blown my mind.

Why is everything shut down?

I was reading a travel article about Tokio saying it isn't as bright as it used to be due to power shortage but I thought it was bull since Fukishima was so long ago i my mind.

Dammit.

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 07:00:26 PM »
What the fuck. Only two are running? This has blown my mind.

Why is everything shut down?

I was reading a travel article about Tokio saying it isn't as bright as it used to be due to power shortage but I thought it was bull since Fukishima was so long ago i my mind.

Dammit.

Everything is shut down because of new safety regulations being ratified and enforced, and also because the Japanese Nuclear Safety Commission needs to approve the stress tests currently being run in the Ohi plant before commercial operation can begin in the older-type BWR:s. On the east coast, most of the plants are shut down due to tsunami damage. The Hamaoka plant has been ordered to shut down by the government due to risk assessments and vicinity to the Kanto area. Fukushima Daiichi reactors 1 through 4 are all being decommissioned of course, the dismantling of the units is estimated to take 30 to 40 years.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 07:43:57 PM »
Yeah Hyo is a nuke freak.

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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 07:59:28 PM »
I am wondering if they have only 3 out of 50 nuclear power plants operating (say 10%) who supplies the power they used to supply?

Natural gas from Australia is making up a lot of the short-fall. Power cuts take care of the rest I believe.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 08:03:48 PM »
I told Hyoushi this already on Skype but just for the record :bow

Best summation ever.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 11:36:41 PM »
did u get into nukes beacuse of metal gear solid
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 01:52:15 AM »
What I want to know... why the fuck build all of your nuclear reactors on the fucking coastline?  Is there some reason for this that I'm just not aware of?
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 01:55:06 AM »
so they could use the water for coolant, i believe...which is what they did

What I want to know is why haven't they done the Chernobyl thing yet and just poured concrete on the lot so we wouldn't have to worry about more leaks?
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2012, 02:04:15 AM »
Just seems like it would be safer to build along a river.

But yeah, why hasn't this thing gotten "the full Chernobyl" yet?
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2012, 04:04:51 AM »
did u get into nukes beacuse of metal gear solid

Not rly. Sweden was hit with a lot of fallout from Chernobyl in 1986, so I basically grew up hearing lots of news stories about contamination, decay rates in food and so forth. I was interested and wanted to learn more about what it all meant as I grew older.

What I want to know... why the fuck build all of your nuclear reactors on the fucking coastline?  Is there some reason for this that I'm just not aware of?

As Cormacaroni said, for cooling purposes. Japan doesn't have rivers big enough to have throughput enough to allow for a NPP to be built next to them, also the terrain of the country means that the population density in the flatlands is immense.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2012, 04:06:46 AM »
Yeah, it's why Japan is still so under-supplied with airports. All the habitable land is super-habitated. And those are bad places to put NPPs.
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2012, 04:44:50 AM »
Just seems like it would be safer to build along a river.

But yeah, why hasn't this thing gotten "the full Chernobyl" yet?

The Chernobyl accident was a very different scenario though, because once the steam explosion happened, there was really no other choice but to try to plug the open reactor by any means possible. The Chernobyl reactor #4 didn't have a containment structure, the reactor design is basically just a steel-lined concrete jar with a lid on top, and a shell building around it. When the explosion flipped the reactor lid open, the core was exposed and SHITLOADS of radioactive particles escaped, and even when the fire was stopped, the sarcophagus needed to be built to keep all the exposed dust and debris from spreading.

In Fukushima Daiichi, there is no need for a sarcophagus, because that's what the containment structure does: it encases the reactor vessel if there is a meltdown so the core is not exposed even if the RPV is breached. Units #1 through #3 have achieved cold shutdown now, so no more radioactive particles are leaking into the atmosphere. What remains to be done is structural repairs to the reactor buildings and, in the case of units #2 and #3, the suppression torus parts of the containment.
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2012, 05:01:21 AM »
Radiation high near suppression chambers
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High levels of radiation have been detected near suppression chambers of 2 of the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
The radiation levels are too high for workers to continue inspections.
Decommissioning the plant's crippled reactors involves filling the reactors and their containment vessels with water and extracting melted fuel.
To do this, workers must pinpoint and repair damage to the containment vessels and the suppression chambers.
On Wednesday, for the first time since the accident a year ago, Tokyo Electric Power Company sent workers to the basement of the No.2 and No.3 reactor buildings to examine the suppression chambers. A total of 6 employees entered.
At the No.2 reactor building, workers opened the door to the suppression chamber and detected a maximum radiation of 160 millisieverts per hour.
The door to the chamber at the No.3 reactor had been damaged and could not be opened. The maximum radiation outside the door was 75 millisieverts per hour.
Tokyo Electric says robots are needed for future inspections because the radiation levels at the 2 reactors are too high for workers to carry out repairs.

Tokyo Electric has released video images of suppression chambers of the No.2 and 3 reactors at the Fukushima plant.
The video was taken on Wednesday when workers entered the basement of the reactor buildings.
The door to the suppression chamber at the No.3 reactor building could not be opened, as it had been damaged possibly due to a hydrogen explosion.
At the No.2 reactor building, workers were able to open the door to the suppression chamber and measure radiation, but the video images were blurry.
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2012, 06:04:58 AM »
I am wondering if they have only 3 out of 50 nuclear power plants operating (say 10%) who supplies the power they used to supply?

Natural gas from Australia is making up a lot of the short-fall. Power cuts take care of the rest I believe.

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2012, 06:11:34 AM »
I am wondering if they have only 3 out of 50 nuclear power plants operating (say 10%) who supplies the power they used to supply?

Natural gas from Australia is making up a lot of the short-fall. Power cuts take care of the rest I believe.

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Hehe. They probably get a lot of their uranium from the Ranger mine as well.
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2012, 08:56:03 AM »
All I can think of when reading all this with great power comes great responsibility. The repercussions from catastrophic failure (imminent and over the years) are absolutely terrifying.
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2012, 11:14:54 AM »
Hyo, did you happen to read the latest economist?  There's a 15 page special on the effects of the disaster and the future of nuclear power.  Right up your alley.

Nice, I'll try to pick it up today or tomorrow! Thanks for the tip!
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2012, 11:25:24 AM »
Hmm, it is a fascinating/depressing subject. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2012, 11:26:43 AM »
Actually the main story is readable online, seems so

http://www.economist.com/node/21549098

Edit: wow, this thing seems to disregard any notion of uranium being a finite resource:

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Nuclear power is not going to disappear. Germany, which in 2011 produced 5% of the world’s nuclear electricity, is abandoning it, as are some smaller countries. In Japan, and perhaps also in France, it looks likely to lose ground. But there will always be countries that find the technology attractive enough to make them willing to rearrange energy markets in its favour. If they have few indigenous energy resources, they may value, as Japan has done, the security offered by plants running on fuel that is cheap and easily stockpiled. Countries with existing nuclear capacity that do not share Germany’s deep nuclear unease or its enthusiasm for renewables may choose to buy new reactors to replace old ones, as Britain is seeking to do, to help with carbon emissions. Countries committed to proliferation, or at least interested in keeping that option open, will invest in nuclear, as may countries that find themselves with cash to spare and a wish to join what still looks like a technological premier league.

Besides, nuclear plants are long-lived things. Today’s reactors were mostly designed for a 40-year life, but many of them are being allowed to increase it to 60. New reactor designs aim for a span of 60 years that might be extended to 80. Given that it takes a decade or so to go from deciding to build a reactor to feeding the resulting electricity into a grid, reactors being planned now may still be working in the early 22nd century.

The economical feasibility of uranium-based fission is very much dependant on a steady supply of easy-to-extract uranium ore. And uh, we're past that peak. The latest IAEA red book estimates that the remaining reported supply (discovered resources) will last for about 100 years at current demand.
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2012, 02:29:35 PM »
Okay, so.

We're at peak uranium.

Probably close to or past peak oil.

Is modern civilization as we know it completely fucked come 60-100 years from now?  Not even considering climate change. Will we even have the energy resources to sustain our society enough to see the 22nd century?
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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2012, 02:32:47 PM »
Boogie:  You read The Windup Girl?  It's so good.

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2012, 02:45:17 PM »
Okay, so.

We're at peak uranium.

Probably close to or past peak oil.

Is modern civilization as we know it completely fucked come 60-100 years from now?  Not even considering climate change. Will we even have the energy resources to sustain our society enough to see the 22nd century?

We should be okay. Naturally-occurring methane [domesticated animals] + solar energy should get us by.
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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2012, 02:53:34 PM »
Okay, so.

We're at peak uranium.

Probably close to or past peak oil.

Is modern civilization as we know it completely fucked come 60-100 years from now?  Not even considering climate change. Will we even have the energy resources to sustain our society enough to see the 22nd century?

Hehe. Oil running out is probably going to be the biggest game changer. Lots of other stuff is being depleted as well (lithium being one example), but nothing really compares to oil. I recommend watching a documentary called A Crude Awakening if you feel like getting depressed :lol
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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2012, 03:17:18 PM »
A couple years ago I read a couple "doom and gloom" style books.  "Why your world is about to get a whole lot smaller" by Jeff Rubin, "The upside of down" by Thomas Homer Dixon.  Didn't finish The Long Emergency.  Interestingly, although the content of Dixon and Rubin was very negative, their own conclusions tended to be optimistic.  Though that seemed to be more wishful thinking and not actually supported in any concrete way in their analysis.

So ya, I'm definitely already primed to being depressed when thinking about this stuff. :p

Haven't heard of the windup girl though.  Will look into it.
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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2012, 04:26:42 PM »
Sounds like a book I need to read.
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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2012, 08:18:25 PM »
The irony of being short of energy or resources in a universe with literally infinite amounts of both and basically no competition for it always staggers me.
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2012, 04:55:47 AM »
Great summary, Hyo'.

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The problem is, the valves for the RCIC are powered-open, so if a total loss of power incident occurs, the valves have to be opened manually. In the US, this is a well-known fact, and is a routine that is in the NRC-audited manuals. US plant personnel perform drills regularly to be aware how to open the RCIC valves manually.

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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2012, 05:08:55 AM »
Yeah. Quite depressing to learn that something that should have been in the operating routines for any BWR probably would have made the accident a lot less severe.
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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2012, 06:25:49 AM »
Small update: The results of the evaluation of the stress tests in the Ohi plant are due to be published at the end of this week. The safety commission's evaluation will be a prerequisite if any nuclear plant are to be granted permission to resume operation. Individual plants are still subject to prefectural and municipal evaluations to be granted permission to restart, and in some cases the plants have been ordered to implement additional safety measures by the government. The Ohi plant itself, for instance, has so far met only 4 of the 30 additional safety measures set by the government (for example, a quake-resistant building to house the local local command headquarters in the event of an emergency will take 5 more years to finish).

Also. Here is an overview showing fairly recent radiation measurements for the Daiichi site. Quality is pretty terrible, grabbed from a PDF from a powerpoint, but ya. Still some insanely active water sloshing around in piping, but other decontamination seem to have been going well. No Iodine-131 has been detected, and Cesium 134 and 137 were also below limits of detection.

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« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2012, 10:22:14 AM »
Bump for this, which I found rather weird that not more media picked up on

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/japan-in-uproar-over-censorship-of-emperors-anti-nuclear-speech/255025/

Japan in Uproar Over Censorship of Emperor's Anti-Nuclear Speech
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There is a particularly sensitive accusation reverberating through online discussion boards and social media in Japan: that Emperor Akihito's speech on the one year anniversary of the earthquake and tsunami was censored on TV for his comments about the nuclear disaster at Fukushima.

The 78-year-old Emperor Akihito had insisted on attending the memorial service, though he had been released from the hospital for heart bypass surgery less than a week earlier. While the emperor is technically just a figurehead, he is still deeply revered here. Many Japanese see him a source of guidance in times of political difficulty, which have been many in the last 20 years. His speech was highly anticipated. Unlike Prime Minister Noda, who never mentioned the nuclear crisis in his speech on the anniversary, the Emperor addressed it directly.

    As this earthquake and tsunami caused the nuclear power plant accident, those living in areas designated as the danger zone lost their homes and livelihoods and had to leave the places they used to live. In order for them to live there again safely, we have to overcome the problem of radioactive contamination, which is a formidable task.

While this statement may seem more obvious than radical to outsiders, underneath the Imperial-grade Japanese understatement were two ideas that have become quietly explosive. First, he seemed to suggest that the nuclear crisis is not over, a "formidable task" yet to be overcome. This noticeably contradicts the government's official stance that Fukushima has achieved a cold shutdown and, for all practical purposes, the crisis is over.  Second, it implies that it is not yet safe for people to return to areas stricken with high levels of radiation, at least not before the "formidable task" is "overcome." This, again, contradicts the government's position that it is now safe for people to return to almost all areas and that neither Tokyo Electric Power Company nor the national government are obliged to assist in long term evacuations.

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So many Japanese were shocked when TV media began cutting out the emperor's dramatic statement. Live daytime broadcasts of the event contained the whole speech and newspapers printed it in its entirety. But, by that evening, all of the major news programs aired edited versions of the speech without his nuclear comments, which also went unmentioned and undiscussed on the heavily watches news shows. The vast majority of Japanese, who don't watch TV news during the day, missed the comments entirely.
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« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2012, 11:36:56 AM »
Probably because Japan wasn't in anything resembling an uproar over it. 

The Emperor's statements were pretty much exactly what any government official is saying at this point, and entirely non-controversial.  I mean, yeah, the radiation hasn't gone away in the last year... were people expecting it to just pick up and head to Cleveland?  And of course people can't return to the exclusion zone.  Everyone even slightly familiar with the facts of the situation really ought to know that.

Which is why it didn't make the "highlights" when news programs were showing them later.  It was a non-controversial statement that mirrored the government's statements and contained no new information, which, y'know, makes sense, cuz the Emperor is a figurehead and likely doesn't get much more information than the average 78 year old dude.  The news programs later in the day weren't censoring his speech, they were cutting a long speech down to a 30-45 second soundbite, which pretty much every damn news program in the world does with long speeches from Presidents and such.

Yeah, ok, blown out of proportion, that's what I suspected. It's weird, since there is an honest anti-nuke sentiment and a growing protest movement anyway you wouldn't expect media to do downright Alex Jones:y stuff like this. BU BU TEPCO OWNS STATE MEDIA AND A VEIL HAST BEEN DRAWN OVER THINE EYEZ

edit: I especially liked "It is rare for Emperor Akihito, an accomplished biologist and the world's leading authority on certain species of Gobi Fish, to publicly take sides on any subject other than biology." :lol
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« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2012, 11:49:54 AM »
Fascinating stuff, thanks Hyoushi. I used to assume that there must be contingency plans devised for just about any situation, but to learn that what should be basic knowledge like the operation of the RCIC was unknown is terrifying. Makes me wonder what the situation is like in other parts of the world. It's hard to believe that anyone would be half-assing it with the safety of nuclear reactors these days.

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« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2012, 01:40:32 PM »
The sad reality is that private companies are always going to cut corners to save money.  They'll cut as far and as deep as they think they can get away with.  After Fukushima, that's a little less than it was before, but corners are still being cut, I'm sure.
I'm sure that's true for some companies and I find it scary as hell.  I used to work with the NRC compliance department in my company and we always went above and beyond the federal mandates because the penalties are astronomical for every minute you're out of compliance.

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Re: Fukushima Nuclear Disaster - One year later (WALL OF TEXT)
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2012, 04:48:19 PM »
The sad reality is that private companies are always going to cut corners to save money.  They'll cut as far and as deep as they think they can get away with.  After Fukushima, that's a little less than it was before, but corners are still being cut, I'm sure.

Yeah, the way the power companies use day laborers with minimal protection is pretty cynical especially... did you watch this thing about Genpatsu Ginza in Kansai I posted in the old thread?



Terrible VHS rip from 1995, but very interesting.
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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2012, 05:57:02 AM »
Well hopefully they just mothball the reactors until they come to their senses.

On the bright side, it looks like the US is finally making new reactors after 30 years.

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2012, 06:08:15 AM »
Yeah, the restart of the Ohi reactors is being stalled by local government in Kyoto who is not buying the "clean bill of health" that central govt has given the safety of the plant. Looks like it will be an expensive summer in Japan.
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2012, 09:53:28 AM »
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Govt. to study power saving targets for the summer
The Japanese government will begin drawing up an estimate next week of how much electricity companies and households should be asked to save this summer to avert a power shortage. The government predicts that power supplies will fall short of peak demand by about 15 percent in parts of western Japan that are serviced by Kansai Electric Power Company. Supply shortages of about three percent are also foreseen in Hokkaido, in the north, and Kyushu, in the southwest.
Government officials plan to consider non-binding power-saving targets for these three regions. In western Japan, the government's plan to let Kansai Electric restart two idled reactors at its Ohi nuclear plant on the Sea of Japan coast is facing strong local opposition. The government says if the reactors remain halted, voluntary power-saving may not be enough in preventing a massive electricity shortage. Assuming the scenario, officials plan to consider whether large-lot power consumption should be limited by law, or if planning is necessary for rolling blackouts.
The measure would mean halting electricity supplies for limited hours, district-by-district.

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Re: Fukushima Nuclear Disaster - One year later (WALL OF TEXT)
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2012, 11:54:51 AM »
I remember our client gave us timelines when they won't be working at the warehouse because of the planned power outage last year after the Fukushima tragedy.

Yeah, it's going to be like that - although worse this time, because after the Touhoku quake, a good number of reactors in the south/west grid were still running. Now it's the entire country that's going to get hit with blackouts/shortages, not just the north/east.
 That showed another dumb limitation in the japanese infrastructure too: there are two separate AC power grids in Japan, the south/western one was built with help by GE and uses the US standard 60 Hz, whereas the north/western grid was built with help from AEG and uses the European standard 50 Hz. There are only three frequency conversion stations where the grids meet, and these are only rated to about 1.2 GW, so it wasn't possible to transfer enough power from one side of the country to the other once most of the north/eastern reactors went into auto-SCRAM when the quake hit.
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