Thoughts on the Trayvon Martin situation?

[Himu]

Reading comprehension for the lose my friend.


Note the words "Those aren't the conditions of this case"

Why'd you bring it up?

[MrAngryFace]

this is actually about crazy people having guns imo- which will never change.

[Himu]

I agree.

But then you find the tape about Zimmerman calling in to report a 8 year old black kid.

[AdmiralViscen]

Zimmerman did not say "they always get away"
He did not say "these assholes always get away"

http://axiomamnesia.com/Audio/Zimmerman911Calls/George-Zimmerman-Treyvon-Martin-Coons-911-Call.mp3

He said that.

[Himu]

Give me one situation where someone unarmed deserves being killed without warning, even after a plea.

[Himu]

Also, I apologize. I read very, very fast. Sometimes skip shit.

[Himu]

Now seriously, can anyone tell me if this dude is going to stand trial yet?

He needs to be charged and Florida law is preventing that.

but the dept. of justice has stepped in and it could be labeled as a federal hate crime.

[Joe Molotov]

I think they'll have a hard time proving it was a hate crime, he needs to just be in jail because he killed somebody.

[Himu]

[AdmiralViscen]

I think they'll have a hard time proving it was a hate crime, he needs to just be in jail because he killed somebody.

Listen to the audio I posted.

[Joe Molotov]

I think they'll have a hard time proving it was a hate crime, he needs to just be in jail because he killed somebody.

Listen to the audio I posted.

I've heard it, but it's hard to tell exactly what he says. It sounds like "coon", but some people are saying he says "goon" or "clueless" or something else. I'm just saying, it's gonna be hard to prove.

[Joe Molotov]

[Himu]

Well it's more complicated than that. NRA has political clout and Florida was just the first step. They want to pass laws similar to what's protecting Zimmerman under "self defense" around the whole country.

Florida is merely a symptom.

[Phoenix Dark]

Just listened to the 911 recording, I wish the dispatcher would have used more concise language. A lawyer might be able to twist

Clearly he meant to stop following him, I just wish for legal purposes that's what he said :/

seriously?

[Himu]

We are overlooking an important detail in this case and that is the fact that Zimmerman's father is a retired magistrate judge. In other words, Zimmerman family line has more power and political advantage.

[Joe Molotov]

you dont think a sleezeball lawyer would try that angle?

Like I said, the dispatcher is clearly to anyone with a brain saying don't follow him you nut job, but our courts sorta suck ass.

It wouldn't matter, it's not against the law to disregard what a 911 dispatcher tells you.

[Himu]

As much as it dips into conspiracy theorist territory, it's arguable to suggest the reason Zimmerman has not been arrested yet is because the police were bought out.

[Brehvolution]

Zimmerman is just lucky he didn't throw flour on Kim Kardasian. That would have landed him in real hot water.

[MrAngryFace]

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Its basically its own country- much like texas. Who needs em

[Mr. Gundam]

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Its basically its own country- much like texas. Who needs em

Sounds like Arizona.

[Great Rumbler]

Imagine how quickly Zimmerman would have been thrown in jail if he'd used a KNIFE instead.

[Himu]

notice how he keeps changing/adding to his story

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/us/trayvon-martin-had-been-suspended-over-marijuana.html?_r=1

[Himu]

if your head was repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk you would have more than a broken nose. this is bullshit. did he even mention having his head slammed in the sidewalk repeatedly before? Before his description was that he was merely jumped from behind.

[Huff]

"Then. Mr. Zimmerman said, Trayvon hit him hard enough that he fell to the ground — which, if true, would explain what Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyer, Craig Sonner, has said was a broken nose—and began slamming his head into the sidewalk."

If this is true, reason enough to shoot?

I hate the media circus this has become.

[Himu]

"“Something will change because of this,” said Tasha Barnes, 26. “It’s got to change. Police don’t want no riot and if justice is not made, there will be a riot.”"

fucking humans

[Dickie Dee]

"Then. Mr. Zimmerman said, Trayvon hit him hard enough that he fell to the ground — which, if true, would explain what Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyer, Craig Sonner, has said was a broken nose—and began slamming his head into the sidewalk."

If this is true, reason enough to shoot?

I hate the media circus this has become.

Even with your overly, overly generous (i.e. bullshit) retelling

1) Stalk and harass someone
2) Start a fight, get ass kicked
3)
4) Get to claim self-dense when you shoot them

[Huff]

"Then. Mr. Zimmerman said, Trayvon hit him hard enough that he fell to the ground — which, if true, would explain what Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyer, Craig Sonner, has said was a broken nose—and began slamming his head into the sidewalk."

If this is true, reason enough to shoot?

I hate the media circus this has become.

Even with your overly, overly generous (i.e. bullshit) retelling

1) Stalk and harass someone
2) Start a fight, get ass kicked
3)
4) Get to claim self-dense when you shoot them

It was a quote from the link himu posted. Mostly said it, because we don't know what happened and everyone assuming they know what happened is bullshit.

During the confrontation, was the gun pulled first and the kid reacted in self defense to protect his life? Or did the kid attack first and the gun was fired in self defense?

[Huff]

Because if my head is being slammed against the ground, I would consider that a life threatening situation, similar to if I had a gun pulled on me.

[Himu]

Because if my head is being slammed against the ground, I would consider that a life threatening situation, similar to if I had a gun pulled on me.

if your head was repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk you would have more than a broken nose.

[Barry Egan]

... what if what really happened is that Trayvon Martin was caught in a vortex and the good samaritan Zimmerman was merely trying to help?  I don't know the truth just trying to raise questions is all 

[Huff]

Because if my head is being slammed against the ground, I would consider that a life threatening situation, similar to if I had a gun pulled on me.

if your head was repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk you would have more than a broken nose.

And that should come out in the investigation that is occurring. Did he receive medical treatment, is there a report out?

[Himu]

... what if what really happened is that Trayvon Martin was caught in a vortex and the good samaritan Zimmerman was merely trying to help?  I don't know the truth just trying to raise questions is all 

[Positive Touch]

i wish the people acting like this is all so ambiguous and that there's just no way to really understand what went down would actually read up on the fucking details of the case before they shit up this conversation

[Huff]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-autopsy-20120326,0,5032520.story

"It could be weeks, if not months, before the medical examiner's report is made public. A Seminole County grand jury will convene April 10 on the case."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/trayvon-martin-case-timeline-of-events/

"Attorney Craig Sonner tells ABC News it will be clear in court that Zimmerman acted in self defense, and that he suffered a broken nose and an injury to the back of his head the night Trayvon Martin was killed."

I wish I knew where everyone had these details I must be missing

[Ganhyun]

Its a horrible situation. It can even get worse if my anecdotal evidence is true elsewhere. I've seen and heard a lot of people talking about rioting and worse lately. I'm chalking most of it up to anger at the situation though.

[Himu]

I wish I knew where everyone had these details I must be missing

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained

[Positive Touch]

we have zimmerman's 911 call where he says he's going after trayvon
we have trayvon's call to his girlfriend where he says he was just chased by zimmerman, then we hear their conversation ("what are you following me for?" "what are you doing here), then we hear the fight
we have multiple witnesses claiming they heard trayvon cry out just before the gunshot
we have zimmerman who has still not been charged with a single damn thing a month after trayvon has died

gee it's all so confusing i guess we'll never know what really happened so let's stop crucifying zimmerman ok

[Joe Molotov]

Wait, it just hit me. You could legally have a pistol duel in Flordia, just claim that you were defending yourself from the other person. That is sweet. Any of you assholes cross me again, and we're taking this shit to Florida.

[Great Rumbler]

When a defendant claims self-defense, "the State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act in self-defense." In other words the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt never shifts from the prosecution, so it's surprisingly easy to evade prosecution by claiming self-defense.

This has led to some stunning verdicts in the state. In Tallahassee in 2008, two rival gangs engaged in a neighborhood shootout, and a 15-year-old African American male was killed in the crossfire. The three defendants all either were acquitted or had their cases dismissed, because the defense successfully argued they were defending themselves under the "stand your ground" law.

Good Lord Almighty. Remind me never to go to Florida ever.

[Huff]

we have zimmerman's 911 call where he says he's going after trayvon
we have trayvon's call to his girlfriend where he says he was just chased by zimmerman, then we hear their conversation ("what are you following me for?" "what are you doing here), then we hear the fight
we have multiple witnesses claiming they heard trayvon cry out just before the gunshot
we have zimmerman who has still not been charged with a single damn thing a month after trayvon has died

gee it's all so confusing i guess we'll never know what really happened so let's stop crucifying zimmerman ok

your right. we have all the information we need. who needs a trial, lets just go kill the fucker. maybe claim self defense

[Boogie]

When a defendant claims self-defense, "the State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act in self-defense." In other words the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt never shifts from the prosecution, so it's surprisingly easy to evade prosecution by claiming self-defense.

This has led to some stunning verdicts in the state. In Tallahassee in 2008, two rival gangs engaged in a neighborhood shootout, and a 15-year-old African American male was killed in the crossfire. The three defendants all either were acquitted or had their cases dismissed, because the defense successfully argued they were defending themselves under the "stand your ground" law.

Good Lord Almighty. Remind me never to go to Florida ever.

holy shit

[Himu]

we have zimmerman's 911 call where he says he's going after trayvon
we have trayvon's call to his girlfriend where he says he was just chased by zimmerman, then we hear their conversation ("what are you following me for?" "what are you doing here), then we hear the fight
we have multiple witnesses claiming they heard trayvon cry out just before the gunshot
we have zimmerman who has still not been charged with a single damn thing a month after trayvon has died

gee it's all so confusing i guess we'll never know what really happened so let's stop crucifying zimmerman ok

your right. we have all the information we need. who needs a trial, lets just go kill the fucker. maybe claim self defense

No one said he should be killed over it. Just that him being free is fucking ridiculous.

[Phoenix Dark]

When a defendant claims self-defense, "the State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act in self-defense." In other words the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt never shifts from the prosecution, so it's surprisingly easy to evade prosecution by claiming self-defense.

This has led to some stunning verdicts in the state. In Tallahassee in 2008, two rival gangs engaged in a neighborhood shootout, and a 15-year-old African American male was killed in the crossfire. The three defendants all either were acquitted or had their cases dismissed, because the defense successfully argued they were defending themselves under the "stand your ground" law.

Good Lord Almighty. Remind me never to go to Florida ever.

jesus.

Yea, Zimmerman is going to walk

[Joe Molotov]

we have zimmerman's 911 call where he says he's going after trayvon
we have trayvon's call to his girlfriend where he says he was just chased by zimmerman, then we hear their conversation ("what are you following me for?" "what are you doing here), then we hear the fight
we have multiple witnesses claiming they heard trayvon cry out just before the gunshot
we have zimmerman who has still not been charged with a single damn thing a month after trayvon has died

gee it's all so confusing i guess we'll never know what really happened so let's stop crucifying zimmerman ok

your right. we have all the information we need. who needs a trial, lets just go kill the fucker. maybe claim self defense

Was that a quote from the 911 call?

[Huff]

nah, irc chat with zimmerman beforehand

[Himu]

When a defendant claims self-defense, "the State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act in self-defense." In other words the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt never shifts from the prosecution, so it's surprisingly easy to evade prosecution by claiming self-defense.

This has led to some stunning verdicts in the state. In Tallahassee in 2008, two rival gangs engaged in a neighborhood shootout, and a 15-year-old African American male was killed in the crossfire. The three defendants all either were acquitted or had their cases dismissed, because the defense successfully argued they were defending themselves under the "stand your ground" law.

Good Lord Almighty. Remind me never to go to Florida ever.

holy shit

read more here:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained

[Great Rumbler]

Reading that stuff about the "Stand Your Ground" law is absolutely chilling. I can't believe that we don't hear about more of these kinds of situations.

Well, okay, I'm not actually SURPRISED, given the freakishly large pile of money propping this law up, but still...geez.

[Himu]

Gun reform needs to happen but the gun fucknuts get their panties in a twist when the democrats even come NEAR the subject.

I'm not talking about banning guns, as much as I would love to so ever dearly, but restricting them further and making laws like THAT non-existent.

[drew]

dude isn't even white, he's hispanic.

Wait, it just hit me. You could legally have a pistol duel in Flordia

the only state where duels were never outlawed is Ohio

[Himu]

btw, they're actively trying to bring stand your ground laws to other states. florida is just step one.

and people wonder why i want out of this country.

[Great Rumbler]

But even more than cars, he was concerned about black men on foot in the neighborhood. In August 2011, he called to report a black male in a tank top and shorts acting suspicious near the development's back entrance. "[Complainant] believes [subject] is involved in recent S-21s"—break-ins—"in the neighborhood," the call log states. The suspect, Zimmerman told the dispatcher, fit a recent description given out by law enforcement officers.

Three days later, he called to report two black teens in the same area, for the same reason. "[Juveniles] are the subjs who have been [burglarizing] in this area," he told the dispatcher.

And last month, on Feb. 2, Zimmerman called to report a suspicious black man in a leather jacket near one of the development's units. The resident of that townhouse, Zimmerman told dispatch, was a white male. Police stopped by to investigate, but no one was there, and the residence was secure.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/trayvon-shooters-911-calls-potholes-piles-trash-black-men

Gun reform needs to happen but the gun fucknuts get their panties in a twist when the democrats even come NEAR the subject.

I'm not talking about banning guns, as much as I would love to so ever dearly, but restricting them further and making laws like THAT non-existent.

It's pretty amazing that what meager gun reform we've gotten in the past few decades came as a direct result of the PRESIDENT and his entourage being gunned down in the street.

[Himu]

dude isn't even white, he's hispanic.

oh wow, only white people are capable of discrimination and bigotry. thanks, i feel a lot safer.

[Joe Molotov]

I thought Obama was supposed to take our guns, did that ever happen, did he not get all of them?

[drew]

stand your ground only means you don't have a legal responsibility to flee, nowhere in it does lethal force come into the equation

oh wow, only white people are capable of discrimination and bigotry. thanks, i feel a lot safer.

i was merely commenting on how the media and certain figureheads were trying to make this story a black and white thing from the start

[Positive Touch]

he's white and hispanic

[Mandark]

stand your ground only means you don't have a legal responsibility to flee, nowhere in it does lethal force come into the equation

Actually, the Florida lays out circumstances where "a person is justified in the use of deadly force".

[Himu]

you're using sense, borys. it doesn't work on racists.

[Mr. Gundam]

I worked at an elementary school on an Indian reservation for four years, and still work with a lot of kids from that tribe. The hatred between natives and blacks is INSANE. There are tons of kids who are half native half black, and they all claim their native heritage.

[Himu]

Wow, that doesn't sound like the Native and Black relations I know. I was taught to be proud of my native heritage seeing as how my grandmother was half native.

[Himu]

Martn's mother confirms that her son.