Author Topic: Avengers = Movie of the Year :trollface :smug :umad (Read 36721 times)

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #180 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:12:45 PM »

Not necessarily, imo. You might miss out on some characterizations, but all some of my friends went into this movie with no prior knowledge of those lead ups, and had a blast.

Enl · « **Reply #181 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:16:08 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on May 05, 2012, 09:10:26 PM

should I watch Thor and Iron Man 2 and Norton Hulk and Captain America (Christ, so many superhero movies) before watching this?

The only ones you would probably need to watch is Thor since the villain ties into that film, and Captain America to a lesser extent since it's somewhat of a sequel to that film as well. The others you can skip.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #182 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:17:04 PM »

thanks, guys

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #183 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:19:09 PM »

I didn't watch Captain America

But yeah, Thor is probably the *only* one you might wanna check out, for the sake of Loki. The 5 seconds where Chris Hemsworth wears a jeans will make it worth it.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #184 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:22:08 PM »

If you're strapped for time, you can always read Wikipedia.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #185 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:24:33 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on May 05, 2012, 09:10:26 PM

should I watch Thor and Iron Man 2 and Norton Hulk and Captain America (Christ, so many superhero movies) before watching this?

What is The Avengers, an expansion pack? Go see it if you want, or don't. Thor and IM2 probably suck, I haven't seen them.

take that girl you talked about last night

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #186 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:28:37 PM »

I probably won't watch any of them (but if I do, I guess it'll be Thor), I was just curious.

very funny, PD

cool breeze · « **Reply #187 on:** May 05, 2012, 09:32:47 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on May 05, 2012, 09:10:26 PM

should I watch Thor and Iron Man 2 and Norton Hulk and Captain America (Christ, so many superhero movies) before watching this?

Thor is the only one with a substantial connection.

Iron Man 2 if you want to learn more about the SHIELD characters (Samuel L Jackson, Scarlett Johanson, Clark Gregg). It's on Netflix instant if you care enough. You could skip most of the movie and just watch the SHIELD bits.

Captain America, maybe? If you know the basic story, then from the movie there's

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Hydra were Nazi, Tony Stark's dad was a character in it, and the macguffin from it is the macguffin in Avengers.

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Norton's Hulk has no connection. The one connection was retconned out.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #188 on:** May 05, 2012, 10:15:24 PM »

Loki is a bad guy. If a bad guy gets the glowy thing then shit's gonna be fucked.

There, now you're ready to see Avengers.

Tasty · « **Reply #189 on:** May 05, 2012, 10:30:09 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on May 05, 2012, 09:32:47 PM

Norton's Hulk has no connection. The one connection was retconned out.

What was that?

cool breeze · « **Reply #190 on:** May 05, 2012, 10:58:48 PM »

Quote from: Andrex on May 05, 2012, 10:30:09 PM

Quote from: Linkzg on May 05, 2012, 09:32:47 PM
Norton's Hulk has no connection. The one connection was retconned out.

What was that?

don't know if it's even worth spoiler tagging, but

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post-credit scene of Norton's Hulk has Tony Stark meeting General Ross in a bar, mentioning that he'll help with the "Hulk problem," or something along those lines. Presumably an early idea was to have Hulk as more of an antagonist or something. This was all back in 2008 when the only Avengers business was the post-credit scene from Iron Man.

When actual plans were forming that didn't align with earlier ideas, they made this short clip called The Consultant with Coulson explaining: "oh, Tony wasn't serious. Secretly Ross wanted Abomination in The Avengers, and we didn't want that, so we sent Tony in to annoy him (

) into dropping that idea."

Also, originally The Hulk was responsible for finding Captain America. Banner went to kill himself on a glacier and hulked out, smashing it, revealing Captain's body.

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Vertigo · « **Reply #191 on:** May 06, 2012, 12:29:04 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on May 05, 2012, 09:28:37 PM

I probably won't watch any of them (but if I do, I guess it'll be Thor), I was just curious.

very funny, PD

If you have to and i would recommend it. Watch Captain America and Thor the only two films with a real connection to events in The Avengers.

IM2 is a waste of time and the Hulk films are an acquired taste. (I liked them but ADD audiences demand more smashing for their money) Plus the Avengers version of Banner is a lot more genial.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #192 on:** May 06, 2012, 12:36:01 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on May 06, 2012, 12:12:56 PM

HOLY SHIT. Can this be the film that topples Avatar?

Check back after next weekend.

ManaByte · « **Reply #193 on:** May 06, 2012, 12:50:27 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on May 05, 2012, 09:32:47 PM

Norton's Hulk has no connection. The one connection was retconned out.

They reference it though. Banner mentions breaking Harlem the last time he was in NY.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #194 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:04:58 PM »

from what i recall not many others here liked it, but i thoroughly enjoyed captain america

i thought it was a good old-fashioned superhero movie, and liked the fact that they gave the "pre captain" steve rogers a decent amount of screen time

and i totally geeked out over a montage towards the middle, which to me was like all those kirby double page spreads come to life

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #195 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:06:29 PM »

I thought Captain America was fun. Nothing fantastic but it worked.

Gonna see Avengers next Friday night at the drive-in (double feature with John Carter), should be a blast.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #196 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:23:07 PM »

Quote from: Dr. Feelbad on May 06, 2012, 01:04:58 PM

from what i recall not many others here liked it, but i thoroughly enjoyed captain america

I liked Captain America, it was a simple movie but still pretty fun. Can't go wrong with the WWII setting and Nazi villains.

Sman · « **Reply #197 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:36:29 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2012, 01:23:07 PM

Quote from: Dr. Feelbad on May 06, 2012, 01:04:58 PM
from what i recall not many others here liked it, but i thoroughly enjoyed captain america

I liked Captain America, it was a simple movie but still pretty fun. Can't go wrong with the WWII setting and Nazi villains.

My biggest problem with it was the same as the Green Lantern's: the action scenes sucked.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #198 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:43:22 PM »

The action scenes in Captain America were far better than the action scenes in Green Lantern.

Sman · « **Reply #199 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:46:40 PM »

"They sucked less" is not saying much.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #200 on:** May 06, 2012, 03:15:41 PM »

I like Captain America, but "Better than Green Lantern" isn't saying much either.

Vertigo · « **Reply #201 on:** May 06, 2012, 03:16:58 PM »

The action in CA was 'pedestrian' but it still beats that shitbucket of a movie Green Lantern into the ground. That film has no redeeming features at all. Such a shame for a great character we'll probably never see another one done properly.

Momo · « **Reply #202 on:** May 06, 2012, 03:42:29 PM »

Green Lantern was at least better than the abomination that was Thor

Enl · « **Reply #203 on:** May 06, 2012, 04:28:52 PM »

I don't recall Captain America and Thor creating a magic race car to save the day. Green Lantern was awful.

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #204 on:** May 06, 2012, 04:59:19 PM »

I know most people on here are secure Whedon fanboys, so I can basically say that it's really satisfying that he's come to fruition.

blame space · « **Reply #205 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:00:54 PM »

i have never seen anything else that this joss guy has done. isn't he pretty well known for making stuff for nerds? i'm glad he made a good movie. i think iron man 2 is good.

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #206 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:08:35 PM »

Iron Man 2 was a coke dream of the guy who directed it.

blame space · « **Reply #207 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:09:34 PM »

i think that's why i like it so much.

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #208 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:13:25 PM »

What's your favourite drug?

blame space · « **Reply #209 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:14:17 PM »

do you remember when jon favreau was on the sopranos

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #210 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:17:16 PM »

Vaguely.

I seriously preferred The Shield. Man, seriously. The stuff with the Amreninas mafia was amazing.

And there was actually real swearing in one ep.

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #211 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:18:05 PM »

Is it your Favreau drug joke?

Momo · « **Reply #212 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:40:47 PM »

Quote from: Enl on May 06, 2012, 04:28:52 PM

I don't recall Captain America and Thor creating a magic race car to save the day. Green Lantern was awful.

Still better than some lame love drama

Thor is my favorite Marvel Hero and Green Lantern is close to the bottom DC wise for me.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #213 on:** May 06, 2012, 06:03:47 PM »

Quote from: Momo on May 06, 2012, 03:42:29 PM

Green Lantern was at least better than the abomination that was Thor

Green Lantern wasn't better than anything.

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #214 on:** May 06, 2012, 06:29:09 PM »

Green Lantern. Martin Campbell knows his stuff re:decent action flicks like Goldeneye and Zorro. It's weird.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #215 on:** May 06, 2012, 07:08:42 PM »

thank god I've never seen anything from Whedon. fuckin nerds

Bebpo · « **Reply #216 on:** May 06, 2012, 07:11:30 PM »

Just got back from seeing The Avengers, aka. the movie that's the worst Marvel film yet for the first 90 mins and then is pretty solid for 40 mins and then ends.

I'm a pretty big Whedon fan, so I'm not sure what went wrong here. The directing was really poor for the bulk of it, the script was super cheesy and often lame, the story kind of sucked, and the acting was B-level all around except Ruffalo who was fucking AWESOME and Hemsworth was pretty good. Then again the Firefly movie wasn't particularly good either.

It's weird coming from Cabin in the Woods Whedon where the script is really sharp, witty, and clever to Avengers Whedon where the script is really dumb, spelled out, and cheesy. However when it kicks into COMIC BOOKS MODE in the last 40 mins, it feels like a comic book brought to life and is great. But man, so much of the film was bad and boring. You'd think a man like Whedon who is GREAT at doing ensemble pieces with characters cleverly playing off each other like Firefly and Dollhouse would be perfect! for an ensemble superhero film. Again, I dunno how they botched it. Guessing a big movie like this had a shitton of executive producer control which screwed with Whedon.

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When AGENT GUY dies I was like "noooo, not AGENT GUY"

and then when he goes "It's ok, for this plan to work they need someone to avenge!" I was rolling my eyes so hard they were falling out my head. And then cuts to ALL THE SUPERHEROS ARE CHANGED AND BROUGHT TOGETHER BY DEATH OF AGENT GUY. Wow, this is like fan fiction amateur bad eeek.

But in the end Hulk was awesome and they made him BEYOND-GOD-TIER like he is in the comic universe and it was really satisfying seeing him fuck up shit.

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Great Rumbler · « **Reply #217 on:** May 06, 2012, 07:45:23 PM »

Nah, Avengers was great.

Bebpo · « **Reply #218 on:** May 06, 2012, 08:05:14 PM »

I dunno, the script was hilariously bad. Like Loki would have all these scenes where he'd give his BAD GUY SPEECHES and they didn't even bother to give him any sense of intelligent logic.

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Instead you get him saying the same 3 min speech over and over again "PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE FREE. THEY REALLY WANT TO BE RULED. HOW DO I KNOW THIS? BECAUSE I AM PULLING IT FROM MY ASS"

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I think if I turned off my brain everytime someone talked in this movie I'd like it a lot better. Which is probably why I really enjoyed the last 40 mins! It's so weird because I love Whedon dialogue! But I think the script sucked here.

Bebpo · « **Reply #219 on:** May 06, 2012, 08:08:36 PM »

I think this a movie that works better if you are a comic book fan getting off at the notion of seeing if Goku is stronger than Kenshiro. I haven't read any of these comics since I was a kid, and comic book geeking out stuff does nothing for me.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #220 on:** May 06, 2012, 08:15:16 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on May 06, 2012, 08:08:36 PM

I think this a movie that works better if you are a comic book fan getting off at the notion of seeing if Goku is stronger than Kenshiro. I haven't read any of these comics since I was a kid, and comic book geeking out stuff does nothing for me.

Goku is clearly stronger

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #221 on:** May 06, 2012, 09:13:52 PM »

Bebpo, you didn't like Hellraiser 2 either, so what do you know? You disgust me, sir, disgust me!

Bebpo · « **Reply #222 on:** May 06, 2012, 09:50:51 PM »

Boogie · « **Reply #223 on:** May 06, 2012, 10:18:56 PM »

The Avengers kicks ass. That is all.

Boogie · « **Reply #224 on:** May 06, 2012, 10:21:14 PM »

Wait, that's not all:

Also, Leper Bebpo.

Spurgeon · « **Reply #225 on:** May 06, 2012, 10:27:23 PM »

Worst line was when Professor Selvig says "Brother of Thor."

Tasty · « **Reply #226 on:** May 06, 2012, 10:32:16 PM »

Quote from: Count Drugula The Satanic on May 06, 2012, 09:08:06 PM

If only he was big in 2005 so that Angel wouldn't have gotten cancelled.

:'(

ManaByte · « **Reply #227 on:** May 07, 2012, 10:40:51 AM »

Bebpo = Loki

Everyone else = Hulk

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #228 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:50:30 AM »

Angel season 5 rocked- series went out on a high note; the downfall of most good shows is a long run imo.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #229 on:** May 07, 2012, 12:22:32 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on May 07, 2012, 11:50:30 AM

Angel season 5 rocked- series went out on a high note; the downfall of most good shows is a long run imo.

Buffy went on way too long, Angel bowed out at the right time.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #230 on:** May 07, 2012, 12:23:41 PM »

Totally. The ending to Angel was also so fitting considering what the show was about.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #231 on:** May 07, 2012, 04:24:46 PM »

Wow, Bebpo, wow. It's like we saw two completely different movies.

This is the least attractive you've ever been. And when I recall your gaming tastes and uguu-addiction, I get even more sick.

ManaByte · « **Reply #232 on:** May 07, 2012, 10:38:34 PM »

Robo · « **Reply #233 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:26:45 PM »

I don't understand those pictures one bit.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #234 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:28:05 PM »

Nintendo President Satoru Iwata Also Wonders Why the Avengers Need an Archer
"There is always the risk that you will run out of arrows. There is never a risk that The Incredible Hulk will run out of Hulk."

lol

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #235 on:** May 07, 2012, 11:32:34 PM »

Wolverine should be in the next movie god dammit

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #236 on:** May 08, 2012, 12:10:20 AM »

Quote from: Robo on May 07, 2012, 11:26:45 PM

I don't understand those pictures one bit.

you've never had shawarma?

Robo · « **Reply #237 on:** May 08, 2012, 12:17:00 AM »

Oh, is that the joke? ...No, I still don't get it.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #238 on:** May 08, 2012, 12:34:52 AM »

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 07, 2012, 11:28:05 PM

Nintendo President Satoru Iwata Also Wonders Why the Avengers Need an Archer
"There is always the risk that you will run out of arrows. There is never a risk that The Incredible Hulk will run out of Hulk."

lol

Quote from: Robo on May 08, 2012, 12:17:00 AM

Oh, is that the joke? ...No, I still don't get it.

It's a "you had to be there" thing. It's pretty funny in context, tho.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #239 on:** May 08, 2012, 01:08:16 AM »

Quote from: Robo on May 08, 2012, 12:17:00 AM

Oh, is that the joke? ...No, I still don't get it.

They're eating shawrama. That's the joke, I guess. I mean, it's not funny, but that's the joke.

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