Pedophilia in college sports redux: Sandusky guilty on 45 of 48 counts

[Human Snorenado]

Confirmed boyfucker, obviously he should have been a Catholic Priest instead.

[Mr. Gundam]

What were the three counts he was acquitted of?

[Phoenix Dark]

Good riddance

Anyone watching his lawyers right now, spinning? I know it's their job but jesus christ. No bro, your chances of a successful appeal aren't good.

[huckleberry]

haven't been keeping track of this story...but didn't he molest his step kids too?  Motherfucker needs to die a slow death.

[Positive Touch]

remember when dipshits rioted in defense of sandusky and paterno

[Phoenix Dark]

Too bad Joe Pa isn't alive to charge with reckless endangerment of a minor

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Fuck this clown.  Also fuck the sports fegs who wanted this swept under the rug because it involved a football team that they liked.

[Human Snorenado]

McQueary came out of this looking a lot better- he basically told the head coach, campus police and university officials what happened and they all covered it up.  Some of them will almost certainly be going to jail for perjury.  Granted, he still should have beat the shit out of Sandusky and immediately called the cops but it's a weird fucking situation to find yourself in.

[Mr. Gundam]

I really hope the Penn State cover-up comes to light.

[Human Snorenado]

I really hope the Penn State cover-up comes to light.

The AD and campus cop are already charged with perjury; if it goes to trial I imagine all sorts of embarrassing shit will come to light but I expect them to cut deals.

[Joe Molotov]

haven't been keeping track of this story...but didn't he molest his step kids too?  Motherfucker needs to die a slow death.

His adopted son initially denied allegations that Sandusky raped him, then AFTER the jury went into deliberation came out and said "Ya, he raped me too."

[Great Rumbler]

Good riddance. Hopefully a few more people involved in this also get what's coming to them.

[benjipwns]

What were the three counts he was acquitted of?

One of the three counts for which Sandusky was acquitted concerned Victim 6, an indecent assault charge. The man testified that Sandusky had given him a bear hug in the shower but at one point he just "blacked out."

The other acquittals were an indecent assault charge related to Victim 5, who said Sandusky fondled him in the shower, and an involuntary deviate sexual intercourse charge regarding Victim 2, the boy graduate assistant Mike McQueary saw being attacked in a campus shower.

That charge resulted in an acquittal because McQueary did not see penetration, Harper said. But, Harper said, McQueary made it apparent he saw something "that was wrong and extremely sexual."

"We did not have the evidence that that very first charge happened," Harper said. "... And we were in agreement amongst all the jurors that because of that, we could not convict him of that first count."

Civil cases might take a chunk out of Penn State:

At least one unidentified male has already filed a lawsuit against the university for failing to protect him from Sandusky. He is initially seeking more than $50,000 in damages, the standard amount in Pennsylvania courts to trigger a jury trial.

To hold the school liable, an victim would have to show that Penn State - through its employees - owed the boys a duty of care and that they failed to uphold that duty.

Legal experts said they expect more civil suits to be filed soon against Penn State and media reports have suggested that the total number of victims could be closer to 20. Victims of sexual abuse often wait until a criminal proceeding has concluded to initiate civil litigation.

Following Friday's verdict, Penn State issued a statement inviting victims to participate in discussions toward a resolution of their claims against the university.

"The university plans to invite victims of Mr. Sandusky's abuse to participate in a program to facilitate the resolution of claims against the university arising out of Mr. Sandusky's conduct," the statement said.

"The purpose of the program is simple - the university wants to provide a forum where the university can privately, expeditiously and fairly address the victims' concerns and compensate them for claims relating to the university."

[Positive Touch]

Civil cases might take a chunk out of Penn State:

good, they deserve it.

now if only colleges'd get slammed for how they handle student rape...

[Human Snorenado]

Surprise!  Seems like JoePa knew what was up and helped cover it up, too bad he had to go and die before facing any consequences for enabling boy rape.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-role-jerry-sandusky-coverup-grows.html;_ylt=ApULg29Dx9t44GWC00dGJSw5nYcB

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation," Curley's email said, according to CNN.

You gotta be shittin me broseph

[Verdigris Murder]

45 on 48 counts is like a baseball phrase.

[Joe Molotov]

Probably the least shocking thing ever uncovered.

Joe Pa: "Oh, I'm just this senile old man, I don't know anything. Boy rape? Never heard of it."

Dammit, I wish we could put Paterno's cadaver on trial like some medieval pope.

[Great Rumbler]

"I am supportive," Spanier wrote, according to CNN. "The only downside for us [is] if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."

Remember that this guy is referring not to someone who violated NCAA rules, but some who RAPED CHILDREN.

[Human Snorenado]

I wonder if they were all Catholics, so boy rape seemed normal to them.

[benjipwns]

I saw somewhere, can't find it now, this guy who was arguing that back in Sandusky and Paterno's day there was nothing wrong with taking a shower with the boys. That was just something men did, they never knew there was this "hysteria" about it.

So Sandusky was just doing what men did with the boys and all these young people from new generations took it out of context and immediately assumed the worst. And he was getting railroaded because of what feminists have done to the menfolk.

[Brehvolution]

I'm still shocked it was Penn State and not Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, or any of the other shittier schools in the Big 10. I would associate this behavior with the likes of them. You just never see it coming.

[Human Snorenado]

I'm still shocked it was Penn State and not Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, or any of the other shittier schools in the Big 10. I would associate this behavior with the likes of them. You just never see it coming.

I think at this point any older man who takes an active interest in boys should be immediately suspect.

[Shadow Mod]

So I've been reading a thread about Sex and Punishment and even the Greeks during the time of pederasty said "don't trust the athletic coaches."

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I'm still shocked it was Penn State and not Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, or any of the other shittier schools in the Big 10. I would associate this behavior with the likes of them. You just never see it coming.

Scandals like this are commonplace.  There's a lot of shit that gets swept under the rug if it involves a popular sport.  In order to keep the cash flowing and the idea of prestige, the boat must not be rocked for any reason at any time.

They just haven't been exposed yet.

[Human Snorenado]

Yeah, the problem is that since you can't pay the kids playing college sports, they get all sorts of free shit tossed their way or whatever.  So, they'll drive their "aunt's" brand new Mercedes or whatever; they'll get free drugs and hookers; they don't have to actually do any schoolwork and will get a degree etc etc etc so the college can keep raking in DEM DOLLARZ.  It creates an air of shifting morality around the program and administrators are so used to covering shit like "the start qb can't spell, is driving a car that a booster gave him and has a coke problem" that "the defensive coordinator who has helped put our program on the map has a problem with boy fucking" is just another step down the slope so to speak.

[Great Rumbler]

It would be nice if this whole mess changed that culture at least a little bit, but I doubt it.

[Shadow Mod]

Yeah, the problem is that since you can't pay the kids playing college sports, they get all sorts of free shit tossed their way or whatever.  So, they'll drive their "aunt's" brand new Mercedes or whatever; they'll get free drugs and hookers; they don't have to actually do any schoolwork and will get a degree etc etc etc so the college can keep raking in DEM DOLLARZ.  It creates an air of shifting morality around the program and administrators are so used to covering shit like "the start qb can't spell, is driving a car that a booster gave him and has a coke problem" that "the defensive coordinator who has helped put our program on the map has a problem with boy fucking" is just another step down the slope so to speak.

There are so many rape scandals covered up as well it's ridiculous.

[benjipwns]

Yeah, the problem is that since you can't pay the kids playing college sports, they get all sorts of free shit tossed their way or whatever.  So, they'll drive their "aunt's" brand new Mercedes or whatever; they'll get free drugs and hookers; they don't have to actually do any schoolwork and will get a degree etc etc etc so the college can keep raking in DEM DOLLARZ.  It creates an air of shifting morality around the program and administrators are so used to covering shit like "the start qb can't spell, is driving a car that a booster gave him and has a coke problem" that "the defensive coordinator who has helped put our program on the map has a problem with boy fucking" is just another step down the slope so to speak.

The stupidest part is that everyone knows they do all that for these "stars", there's a slap on the wrist for the coaches who just go on down the road to the next college, so on and so forth, but some random dope on the lacrosse team gets $50 for food and gas while going to an academic conference and there's a massive investigation with his scholarship hanging in the balance.

You can maybe justify it as opposite of the drug war, but two wrongs and all that...

EDIT: Not to mention the various criminal actions and such as Devo notes. I didn't mean to go that route with my hypothetical but because I did, it's still worth noting that it was the Duke LACROSSE team that got into that trouble.

[Shadow Mod]

Yeah the one that blows up is the one that turned out to be false despite the several cover ups that remain true.

[benjipwns]

And probably the easiest target, who cares if the lacrosse team gets fucked out of existence? We DID SOMETHING! FOUGHT RAPE ON CAMPUS!

If the Duke basketball team was roving the streets like in A Clockwork Orange, would that get the same play that the Duke Lacrosse faux-scandal did?

[Great Rumbler]

I was looking up the Duke lacrosse case and discovered that, ironically, the accuser herself is now on trial. FOR MURDER.

On April 2, 2011, Mangum was arrested for allegedly stabbing and seriously injuring her boyfriend. She was charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill inflicting serious bodily injury, a class C felony in North Carolina. Her boyfriend later died in the hospital. Mangum is currently being held in jail under a $300,000 secured bond, which was set prior to her boyfriend's death

[Shadow Mod]

And probably the easiest target, who cares if the lacrosse team gets fucked out of existence? We DID SOMETHING! FOUGHT RAPE ON CAMPUS!

If the Duke basketball team was roving the streets like in A Clockwork Orange, would that get the same play that the Duke Lacrosse faux-scandal did?

Yeah that's a good point too.

[Human Snorenado]

When I was going to UGA, Quincy Carter was our qb, and I'm about 95% sure he raped a girl that was roommates with a friend's girlfriend.  Nothing ever came of it, of course because HEY FOOTBALL

[Great Rumbler]

Joe Paterno and other top Penn State officials hushed up child sex abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago for fear of bad publicity, allowing Sandusky to prey on other youngsters, according to a scathing internal report issued Thursday on the scandal.

"Our most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State," said Louis Freeh, the former director of the FBI who was hired by university trustees to look into what has become one of sports' biggest scandals. "The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized."

After an eight-month inquiry, Freeh's firm produced a 267-page report that concluded that Hall of Fame coach Paterno, President Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz "failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade."

Freeh called the officials' disregard for child victims "callous and shocking."

"In order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at the university -- Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley -- repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse," the report said.

Paterno "was an integral part of this active decision to conceal," Freeh said at a news conference.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8159195/report-says-penn-state-nittany-lions-senior-officials-disregarded-children-welfare

[Phoenix Dark]

Apparently Matt Millen went on Sports Center and revealed what everyone in Michigan already knows: he's a fucking idiot. Complete Paterno defense force performance

[Great Rumbler]

There's no defense left for Joe Pa that isn't complete homerism.

[Shadow Mod]

Apparently Matt Millen went on Sports Center and revealed what everyone in Michigan already knows: he's a fucking idiot. Complete Paterno defense force performance

College football program > rape and pedophilia. As horrible as it sounds it really shouldn't surprise people as much as it does. A bunch of programs have hushed up rape of sororities and other groups of women. No doubt they'd do the same or cover up a pedophile all the more due to their precious reputation. Funny (and not funny due to the circumstances) how it blew up in their face anyway. The worst part is how the victims after 98 could have been spared if Paterno wasn't busy putting his fingers in his ears and going "LA LA LA."

[Joe Molotov]

This:
http://deadspin.com/5925408/freeh-report-joe-paterno-knew-in-1998

plus this:
http://deadspin.com/5925401/joe-paterno-gave-jerry-sandusky-the-option-to-keep-coaching-as-long-as-he-was-the-coach

is really all you need to know about Joe Paterno. Raping kids? Just keep that on the DL, bro, and it's all good. We got football to win!

[Van Cruncheon]

Apparently Matt Millen went on Sports Center and revealed what everyone in Michigan already knows: he's a fucking idiot. Complete Paterno defense force performance

College football program > rape and pedophilia. As horrible as it sounds it really shouldn't surprise people as much as it does. A bunch of programs have hushed up rape of sororities and other groups of women. No doubt they'd do the same or cover up a pedophile all the more due to their precious reputation. Funny (and not funny due to the circumstances) how it blew up in their face anyway. The worst part is how the victims after 98 could have been spared if Paterno wasn't busy putting his fingers in his ears and going "LA LA LA."

this. i was at ou during the barry switzer days, and the regular rape charges were ALWAYS hushed up and brushed under the rug until they raped the wrong chicks, but even THEN it didn't stop barry's career or the program. college football is FUCKED UP.

[Phoenix Dark]

It's especially a problem at storied/legendary programs like OA under Switzer, Paterno at PSU, Bo at Michigan, Woody at OSU, etc. These guys were literally seen as gods among men, allegedly elevate the program by their mere existence. Any slight against them is literally seen as sacrilege. They could get away with nearly anything, and infractions amongst players were swept under the rug to avoid embarrassing "the program." No one talks about PSU having more players charged with criminal activity than any other over the last few years. Of course not, Paterno was a leader who turned boys into men!

You know who else elevates certain men to near god like heights? The Catholic church. Just sayin'

[Joe Molotov]

You know who else elevates certain men to near god like heights? The Catholic church. Just sayin'

I thought you were going to say Nintendo fans.

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[Eel O'Brian]

This:
http://deadspin.com/5925408/freeh-report-joe-paterno-knew-in-1998

plus this:
http://deadspin.com/5925401/joe-paterno-gave-jerry-sandusky-the-option-to-keep-coaching-as-long-as-he-was-the-coach

is really all you need to know about Joe Paterno. Raping kids? Just keep that on the DL, bro, and it's all good. We got football to win!

• Sandusky requested a title to associate himself with Penn State. Paterno wrote "no," but along the sidebar, "Volunteer Position Director – Positive Action for Youth."

jesus fucking christ

[Mandark]

Has anyone investigated how widespread the rumors were?  Sandusky was a really successful coordinator at a big school, and never seemed to be approached as a possible hire after he quit.  He was retired, but usually that wouldn't stop someone from trying to lure him away, either as head coach or as the DC.  So did someone quietly spread the word about this, or some other, vaguer warning (ie he was gay)?

[benjipwns]

There were rumors last year that whenever teams would come trying to talk to him that Penn State would basically say "yeah, you don't want to do that."

This is from 1987:

After all these testimonials, the wonder is that Sandusky is not a head coach somewhere. Surely someone has tried to lure him away from Happy Valley. The answer is that college and pro teams alike have tried.

"Many people have talked to me about him," Paterno says. "He has great teaching ability and a gift for setting up the sort of drills that teach the kids to execute all of the things we ask them to do as linebackers. Jerry has been reluctant to talk to anybody about a head coaching job, though, because of all the commitments he has in this community."

Ah, yes, the commitments. They, more even than his defensive genius, are what set Sandusky and his wife, Dottie, apart from the crowd.

The Sandusky's were unable to have children of their own, so in 1969 hey adopted a son. Later they adopted another child. And then another. And another. Six, finally. And then they began to raise foster children. As the family grew, the Sanduskys dreamed about starting a group home for troubled youngsters.

That dream has since become a reality--a house for six children at a time, and 20 acres of land only two miles from Beaver Stadium. It is known as The Second Mile, as in Matthew 5:41: "And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain."

Part of the finances come from the sale of a manual written by Sandusky: Developing Linebackers the Penn State Way.

Says Paterno: "Jerry and Dottie are special, special people. We're all so proud of what they have done, and certainly would hate to lose them. But at the same time, I'd hate to see him lose his chance to be a head coach."

Says Sandusky, shrugging: "There was a time when I really was interested in becoming a head coach. After all, that's what everyone in this profession aspires to. But the timing never really seemed quite right, and then we had so many things developing with our own family and with the house. We believe in the saying that it's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that is important. If it's meant to be, then it will happen."

...

Will Sandusky be a career assistant coach? Or, one day, will there be a team identified as his and his alone? Some speculate that he will be Paterno's successor. Paterno, who is 60, said after the Fiesta Bowl that he would coach "for another four years, maybe five, but no more than that."

Would Sandusky's loyalty then be rewarded?

There is precedent. For 16 years Rip Engle had an assistant on his Penn State staff who was skinny, wore thick glasses and was bright, and everyone wondered why he never took a head coaching job. Joe Paterno always answered that he was happy just being in Happy Valley. Jerry Sandusky says the same thing.

He has always been so selfless that you can not help but believe him.

And this is from a story earlier last year:

In December 1991, the University of Maryland had interest in hiring Sandusky -- who coached the defense at Linebacker U when now-embattled head coach Joe Paterno won two national titles in the 1980s -- to become the Terps’ head coach. Sandusky, who wanted to remain at Penn State, declined an opportunity to interview.

When Maryland fired the guy who ended up getting the job, Mark Duffner, five years later, Sandusky changed his tune and expressed an interest in stepping out from behind Paterno’s shadow and coaching the Terps.

"I put forward a plan a few years ago for Maryland," he told Paul McMullen of The Baltimore Sun. "Andy Geiger [then the athletic director] called to see if I would interview for the job. I debated and debated, and even though I had put together that plan, I didn't follow through. Being a head coach is something I'd like to do. I've been at that stage for a long time. I look at Maryland as a great opportunity, and I would be interested."

[etiolate]

So Sandusky said no to coaching jobs so he wouldn't have to leave his Neverland ranch

[Great Rumbler]

Paterno, who is 60, said after the Fiesta Bowl that he would coach "for another four years, maybe five, but no more than that."

[Howard Alan Treesong]

• Sandusky requested a title to associate himself with Penn State. Paterno wrote "no," but along the sidebar, "Volunteer Position Director – Positive Action for Youth."

jesus fucking christ

VP DP Action for Youth :'(

[Robo]

• Sandusky requested a title to associate himself with Penn State. Paterno wrote "no," but along the sidebar, "Volunteer Position Director – Positive Action for Youth."

jesus fucking christ

VP DP Action for Youth :'(

  . . . :'(

[CajoleJuice]

• Sandusky requested a title to associate himself with Penn State. Paterno wrote "no," but along the sidebar, "Volunteer Position Director – Positive Action for Youth."

jesus fucking christ

VP DP Action for Youth :'(

fuck

[Phoenix Dark]

• Sandusky requested a title to associate himself with Penn State. Paterno wrote "no," but along the sidebar, "Volunteer Position Director – Positive Action for Youth."

jesus fucking christ

VP DP Action for Youth :'(

[Brehvolution]

The best I've heard about Joe Pa's statue is to not remove it, but to turn it so it looks the other way.

[Great Rumbler]

The question now is whether it is fair—whether it is humane—for anyone other than the complicit administrators to pay a price. The argument is that, if Penn State has to do without football, the ones who will suffer will be the players with scholarships, and the hotel owners in Happy Valley, and all the little sports that have grown at Penn State in football’s shadow. What did they ever do wrong?

There is an unintentional irony in this argument: it is precisely the one that Sandusky traded on, the assumption is that the money football brings, the economic benefit, is the decisive factor in figuring out not only what is best for the university but what is right and what is wrong. Was Spanier also thinking of the hotel owners? Perhaps, in the future, his successor will recognize the costs of not saying something. So will the many people, at all levels, of the sort who saw Sandusky in strange circumstances with children, and let it go with an uncomfortable blink. There is more than one way to hurt a student athlete. One is to implicate him in a corrupt system in which neither his ethical or practical education is the main goal, and the other is to take away a scholarship (one that doesn’t even come close to compensating him for the money he makes for his school—but that’s another issue--one that played a role the last time a major program got the death penalty, in 1987).

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/07/does-penn-state-deserve-the-death-penalty.html

[Cormacaroni]

The best I've heard about Joe Pa's statue is to not remove it, but to turn it so it looks the other way.

oooooh, ice burn

[Dickie Dee]

Statue removed

...

NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State

[bdoughty]

We shall find out tomorrow morning.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says

NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.


They should suspend the program for at least a couple years and allow all the athletes to go to any school they wish and get a year back on their scholarship. Though a 5 to 10 year bowl ban and a bunch of scholarship losses could have them wishing they received the death penalty.  Thank you EA, at least I have the option to replace Penn State from NCAA 13 by replacing them with North Dakota State.

[Phoenix Dark]

Agreed. I wouldn't outright kill the program, but a 10 year bowl ban plus taking away all scholarships will essentially do the same thing. But it's essential that kids currently on the team can transfer without losing a year of eligibility.

It sucks for vendors and other people who work at the stadium, plus the businesses in the surrounding area. They didn't do anything wrong of course, but will feel the burn just the same.

I'd love for them to strip Paterno of his winningest coach title too. It's a shame he died before all this came to light, but I'd imagine the guilt and shame weighed on him heavily during his final weeks, after being fired. Good.

[MrAngryFace]

im always kinda weirded out when people are like 'he did all these good things'- like that builds up some kinda credit you can spend on horrible things.

[Phoenix Dark]

im always kinda weirded out when people are like 'he did all these good things'- like that builds up some kinda credit you can spend on horrible things.

Hitler was an animal lover!

[bdoughty]

I'd love for them to strip Paterno of his winningest coach title too. It's a shame he died before all this came to light, but I'd imagine the guilt and shame weighed on him heavily during his final weeks, after being fired. Good.

Technically John Gagliardi of St John's (MN) is the winningest college coach. It may be a lowly division 3 team but as long as you say college, Paterno does not have squat on him. He is still coaching and working on 500 wins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gagliardi