Nintendo has atleasted managed to keep something from the N64 era.

[SantaC]

The library of games gets drier with each generation. The N64 started a streak that had no new games in the later years that Gamecube managed to triumph. Believe it or not, but the Wii is even worse than the gamecube. It basically has had no games in the last two years. Yeah I didnt buy their shitty new zelda, so I havent played a new Wii game in 2 fucking years. Hell IF I buy a Wii-U, I am only going to keep it for 2-3 years. It  because you know it will collect dust in its last 3 years or so. Non existent third party will do that to you I guess.

[archnemesis]

I'm guessing you're not a fan of RPGs. There has been more high-profile RPGs this last year than there was for the the first 5 years combined.

[Third]

Same will happen with the WiiU. 3rd parties are already very vague when it comes to supporting the machine.

I'm sure everyone will abandon the WiiU ship when Ps4 and Nextbox arrive.

Are there even core gamers out there who want to play the next CoD, Assassin's Creed or GTA on a Nintnedo machine? Nintendo still has the kiddy stigma. And the Wii made it even worse.

[Huff]

I'm guessing you're not a fan of RPGs. There has been more high-profile RPGs this last year than there was for the the first 5 years combined.

doesn't count if they were made years ago and not released because of corporate 

[Momo]

Nintendo is shit |OT|

[Third]

Of course it'll hinder them. Look at the Wii. The console has been flopping so hard lately. Stockholders and consumers don't seem to care about them much anymore. The Wii fad is over.

You can say all you want about Sony but their software support has been very stellar this gen. 1st & 3rd party are very strong represented on the Ps3.
Nintendo Wii support was absolutely shit. Don't get me started on 3rd party support. WiiSports and WiiFit are basically the two franchises that kept the Wii alive.

I don't see the WiiU doing Wii numbers anyway. As I said earlier, the fad is over.

[Fifstar]

The kiddy image is pretty much Nintendo's live saver and the the reason why Nintendo will still make bank on the overall horribly managed 3DS. They won't ever change it.

[bork]

The library of games gets drier with each generation. The N64 started a streak that had no new games in the later years that Gamecube managed to triumph. Believe it or not, but the Wii is even worse than the gamecube. It basically has had no games in the last two years. Yeah I didnt buy their shitty new zelda, so I havent played a new Wii game in 2 fucking years. Hell IF I buy a Wii-U, I am only going to keep it for 2-3 years. It  because you know it will collect dust in its last 3 years or so. Non existent third party will do that to you I guess.

Definitely.  Been saying this for years- Nintendo keeps their portables supported pretty well, but their consoles just die after only a few years.  Nobody seems to care and is happy to dust off their N-console to play the one Mario or Zelda release that comes out during the year.

Microsoft also let the Xbox "die" after 2004.  I can't think of any big-name releases the Xbox got in 2005 other than Ninja Gaiden Black, but maybe I'm forgetting something.  I just remember that the PS2 still had games coming and Nintendo and MS had jack and shit until they put out their new consoles.

I'm amazed to learn that third party sales are higher on the Wii than the PS3.  What kind of shovelware are people buying, or are all those sales from just the first year or two after the Wii's release?

[Third]

Higher 3rd party sofware sales on the Wii is old news. The console sold more units than the competition. And it's riddled with cheap fitness soccermom games and other shitty 3rd party shovelware crap.

The question is; why aren't 3rd party devs releasing quality franchises on the system? Considering the high sofwares sales? That's because the average COD, Assassin's Creed and GTA gamer (probably a teenager, male) doesn't want to be associated with Nintendo or the Wii. Maybe anecdotal but ALL of the male teenagers I know don't like the Wii. Heck, all men I know don't play with it and are Playstaion or Xbox fans.

And that's the userbase you want to appeal to when you develop quality 3rd party games.

The kiddy image is nice for Nintendo. But the average gamer doesn't want that shit. And 3rd parties are aware.

[Trent Dole]

A good amount of third parties tried with the Wii and found out that for the most part they were wasting their time, methinks.

[Third]

A good amount of third parties tried with the Wii and found out that for the most part they were wasting their time, methinks.

The difference in hardware power and Nintendo not giving a shit should also be accounted, I think.

I'm sure Ubi, EA etc would've released all of their multiplatform games on the Wii if the power was identical to Ps360.

And Nintendo rarely approached 3rd parties for some good exlcusives or adapted versions of popular 3rd party games. That's the "not giving a shit" part. Nintendo was basically the whole time on cruise control.
Hope they get their shit together with the WiiU. 

[thisismyusername]

Microsoft also let the Xbox "die" after 2004.  I can't think of any big-name releases the Xbox got in 2005 other than Ninja Gaiden Black, but maybe I'm forgetting something.  I just remember that the PS2 still had games coming and Nintendo and MS had jack and shit until they put out their new consoles.

To be fair: MS dropped the X-box like it was hot because it was losing money for them. Money that could've been better invested in the 360 (and kinda was) than getting third parties to release shit on it's "failed"/losing money console.

That said: EA continued to release Madden for like 3-4 years after MS stopped supporting the X-box. I think the last Madden on X-box (and I think it was truly the LAST game on X-box) was Madden 07 or 08.

PS2 only had games coming because it was the "popular" console at the time. If PS3 and Wii support was dropped this year, the situation would be the same only just replace "PS2" with "360" in that sentence.

I'm amazed to learn that third party sales are higher on the Wii than the PS3.  What kind of shovelware are people buying, or are all those sales from just the first year or two after the Wii's release?

Just Dance 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/...Glee edition/The Jackson Experience...

[cool breeze]

The Wii has been around longer than the Gamecube and if you compare its 2005-2006 and Wii's 2010-2011, the Wii was better supported.  For 2012, yeah, there's nothing unless you've waited for localizations.  The only actual new release is that Fatal Frame remake in Japan.

Microsoft also let the Xbox "die" after 2004.  I can't think of any big-name releases the Xbox got in 2005 other than Ninja Gaiden Black, but maybe I'm forgetting something.  I just remember that the PS2 still had games coming and Nintendo and MS had jack and shit until they put out their new consoles.

PS2 had games coming as late as 2009, although most were PS2 versions of PSP games.  I think the last big original release was God of War 2 in 2007.

[Momo]

The Wii has been around longer than the Gamecube and if you compare its 2005-2006 and Wii's 2010-2011, the Wii was better supported.  For 2012, yeah, there's nothing unless you've waited for localizations.  The only actual new release is that Fatal Frame remake in Japan.

Microsoft also let the Xbox "die" after 2004.  I can't think of any big-name releases the Xbox got in 2005 other than Ninja Gaiden Black, but maybe I'm forgetting something.  I just remember that the PS2 still had games coming and Nintendo and MS had jack and shit until they put out their new consoles.

PS2 had games coming as late as 2009, although most were PS2 versions of PSP games.  I think the last big original release was God of War 2 in 2007.

Persona 4  2008

[SantaC]

The Wii has been around longer than the Gamecube and if you compare its 2005-2006 and Wii's 2010-2011, the Wii was better supported.  For 2012, yeah, there's nothing unless you've waited for localizations.  The only actual new release is that Fatal Frame remake in Japan.

Microsoft also let the Xbox "die" after 2004.  I can't think of any big-name releases the Xbox got in 2005 other than Ninja Gaiden Black, but maybe I'm forgetting something.  I just remember that the PS2 still had games coming and Nintendo and MS had jack and shit until they put out their new consoles.

PS2 had games coming as late as 2009, although most were PS2 versions of PSP games.  I think the last big original release was God of War 2 in 2007.

as someone mentioned, the wii got their 3rd party showelware that no serious gamer wants to buy. I think that gamecube has a better library of good games than the wii has.

Well I envy you then because it's a fucking awful game and I wasted 55 euros on that shit.

no surprise there as nintendo's zelda team has been on a downward spiral for years now.

[frod]

games like need for speed and call of duty which were derided in the ps2 era are now championed as significant third party support because they are slightly less casual orientated than just dance etc.

shit casual games are shit regardless of whether they are about dancing or shooting guns.

[SantaC]

I liked Skyward Sword but it definitely wasn't a ten. Gamespot got it right.

gamespot got it right  even without gerstmann.

[DCharlieJP]

I like Sprks and all that in real life but that 8-4 when he went from "omg Zelda fap fap fap zomg of the year etc" to "Skyrim has awful/distinguished mentally-challenged dialogue i can't play this"

.... you fucking kidding me?!

Zelda has the worst dialogue in any modern game i've played and it's intrusive/redundancy makes me think that i'm just being trolled. That whole dialogue at the start (3 minutes+?) where they tease that you don't have to go and do a stupid mundane carry quest then MAKE YOU DO IT ANYWAY at the end of it made me want to kick the Wii into orbit.

but hey! IN SKYRIM THE GUY ASKS YOU TO TRY SHOUTING OVER AND OVER THIS IS DUMB AND STUPID! :/

short version : don't trust an nthing on anything

[DCharlieJP]

to add - John joins in in the same episode by then claiming that Skyrim is what he feels a modern Zelda would feel like.

Also says Dark Souls is what a modern Zelda would feel like.

It's my big criticism of 8-4 - even if they had F*CK ALL to do with it and the game has ZERO to do with ANYTHING Nintendo - John/Sprks have a tendency to work in some Nintendo angle. I mean - i think it boils down to "this is what we played with as kids" but obviously i'm not going to say "Well, Skyrim is basically what a modern Warlock of Firetop Mountain on the ZX Spectrum would be. All hail Sinclair!"

... actually that's a lie.

ALL HAIL SINCLAIR!!!!

[bork]

DC, you should have come to that conclusion after "the sp0rsk show" years back- Wii Music in particular.   

I listened to one 8-4 podcast and shut it off after 20 minutes.  I've been tired of all these formulaic video game podcasts for years, though- they're all the same.  Don't need to know the same ol' game news and "whatcha' playing?" stuff.  That's already on the boards.  Was fun back in the original 1up podcast days.

[Huff]

I've come to find John more and more annoying and uninteresting. JJ has always come across as a fucktard, but good for a couple laughs, I just wouldn't listen to anything he says about a videogame.

As for 8-4 in general, they barely talk about japanese videogames and so many other podcasts cover western games so much better

[Damian79]

You know, there is one thing that Nitnendo is doing right and that is going online downloads for whole games in the future.  I will be all over that.

[bachikarn]

You know, there is one thing that Nitnendo is doing right and that is going online downloads for whole games in the future.  I will be all over that.

Have they said if it will be tied to your account like in Steam? So you can delete it and download it later if you want? I'm guessing the answer is no.

[Huff]

We'd have to know how their accounts (if they have them) will work first

[Damian79]

You know, there is one thing that Nitnendo is doing right and that is going online downloads for whole games in the future.  I will be all over that.

Have they said if it will be tied to your account like in Steam? So you can delete it and download it later if you want? I'm guessing the answer is no.

They havent said shit about it, they have said they will make user accounts in the future but allowing redownloads hasnt been talked about.  But sonsidering how small the storage space is on the WIIU and 3ds i am expecting it to be allowed.

EDIT: scratch the last past, the wii is compatible with most hard drives it seems according to iwata so redownloads for free is still up in the air.

[DCharlieJP]

To add - i obviously know all the guys on 8-4 and i've already mentioned to them that i though there was a strong Nintendo lean on the show to John which he flatly refuted.

They're all good guys, and it's the only podcast i listen to -at all- and it is all in all a good listen but when you have seemingly temporal pickiness it backfires. I agree fully with the criticism on Skyrim by the way, i just found it odd that the same or similar criticisms couldn't be seen in the other game discussed in the podcast when they are there screaming and dancing.

anyways... back to the plot.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I've had my fill of gaming podcasts except The Cruncheons.  I unsubscribed from Giant Bombcast in April.  I guess I still subscribe to Warning A Huge Podcast but they never release anything new anyway.

[Great Rumbler]

The Cruncheons

[Human Snorenado]

We are the aged, cranky ass future of gaming.  RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

[Momo]

I've had my fill of gaming podcasts except The Cruncheons.  I unsubscribed from Giant Bombcast in April.  I guess I still subscribe to Warning A Huge Podcast but they never release anything new anyway.

Me and you are absolutely the same in this regard. I gave up on the bombcast after their Fez shenanigans and pretty much only listen to WAHP and The Crunchy CornFlakes
Casey, Nick and Eric all happened to have jumped into new ventures at around the same time so WAHPS will be few and far between sadly. RedSunGamer is a nice alternative, but I need a bit of Eric and Nick in my life.

[Eel O'Brian]

What's the story behind the Fez shenanigans?

[D3RANG3D]

We are the aged, cranky ass future of gaming.  RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

[Trent Dole]

I still fuck with the Bombcast. What soured everyone so badly on those dudes?

[Momo]

What's the story behind the Fez shenanigans?

For me it irked me when they were running damage control for Fish after his distinguished mentally-challenged GDC/Twitter comments and bullshit indie award shenanigans. But fine I could live with that. Thereafter when Fez hit they may as well have been a marketing arm for Fish as they oversold the fuck out of the game (the attributes their overselling hinged on where undeserving and untrue as well). Upon having a conversation with Oscar here regarding said issues the fact that they were buddy buddy with the guy opened my eyes to what had transpired and that soured me on them forever.

[originalz]

Only podcast worth listing to is Retro Gaming Roundup!  Many hours of inane shit with guys that don't even try to be professional, but for the most part the guys actually know a lot about what they're talking about and get into some good discussions.  Lots of good interviews with oldskool game designers as well.

[Tasty]

The Wii also has a ton of mid-range sellers, the 500k-1million slot, which is noticeably empty on other consoles.  It's like, on 360/PS3, if you can muscle past 500k, you can reach a million, but there ain't a lot in between.

Stuff like this is what worries me about the coming home console years, combined with no retail console game being able to break even at 500k anymore. Nintendo had/has ulterior motives for choosing underpowered hardware, but Iwata's commitment to trying to keep dev costs low rings true to me at least.

That said, I think they're clinging to the old business model on that one (no surprise.) They should let the big boys be able to blow 10s of millions on AAA games (meaning, make the system super powerful.) Focus on digital distribution for the smaller devs and ensure that no matter what, they can make bank at sub-500k sales. The expecations for pure digital titles is completely elastic; you can have AA to A games right alongside games with PS1 quality graphics like Siren. My memory is fuzzy but I remember 100k being a good watermark of success last gen; now it's basically 10x that. Like I said, I agree with Iwata: that's not sustainable, and we're seeing (and have been seeing) the effects, but HD gamers want to divert the blame. Devs are going under. Yes, every previous generation had casualties. But I feel like this gen has been especially shaky if you're not making games for anyone but EA/Ubi/Acti/first parties. Next gen will only exacerbate the problems IMO.

[Eel O'Brian]

What's the story behind the Fez shenanigans?

For me it irked me when they were running damage control for Fish after his distinguished mentally-challenged GDC/Twitter comments and bullshit indie award shenanigans. But fine I could live with that. Thereafter when Fez hit they may as well have been a marketing arm for Fish as they oversold the fuck out of the game (the attributes their overselling hinged on where undeserving and untrue as well). Upon having a conversation with Oscar here regarding said issues the fact that they were buddy buddy with the guy opened my eyes to what had transpired and that soured me on them forever.

Ah, I see, thanks.  I have been without a reliable mp3 player for quite some time so I haven't listened to Bombcast since before E3.

[maxy]

Like I said, I agree with Iwata: that's not sustainable, and we're seeing (and have been seeing) the effects, but HD gamers want to divert the blame.

I think that Nintendo is much more concerned with another unsustainable thing---Brain Age,Nintendogs,etc at full price.

As for HD gaming,can't wait to see how much money Nintendo will spend on next Zelda.

[Trent Dole]

Wow, blatant conflict of interest much GB? I don't agree with their opinions on stuff lots of times so their reccomendations don't influence me a whole lot but that is still shitty.

[Momo]

I dont want to sour anyone off GB, they are overwhelmingly good people. I'm potentially being very harsh here due to my extreme yuck reaction to Fish.

[Third]

Huh, I thought XFE's account was nuked.

Anyway, glad to have you back

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I still fuck with the Bombcast. What soured everyone so badly on those dudes?

I just got tired (bored) of listening to them.  It's a "it's me, not you" kind of thing.

[Trent Dole]

Hah, reopening this thread I was just remembering when Nich was on the Parish-hosted Retronauts a few years back. 'How awesome is your new game?' 'So awesome.' At least they were self-aware/mocking of the situation. Pretty much everyone here at least knows to not take most reviews at face value anyway.

[Tasty]

What is this whole GB thing people are talking about?

[Trent Dole]

Giant Bomb, duder.

[Damian79]

Also Nintendo is trying to make a profit with the 3ds again.  I am starting ot hate Nintendo but there doesnt seem to be anyone competing with them except for Apple.  I am hoping that Cod for the psv doesnt look like a wii game.  Because that is my last hope for Sony kicking Nintendo's ass and teaching them a lesson.

Meh, who am i kidding i will still buy rpgs even if it is on the WiiU.

[Momo]

Also Nintendo is trying to make a profit with the 3ds again.  I am starting ot hate Nintendo but there doesnt seem to be anyone competing with them except for Apple.  I am hoping that Cod for the psv doesnt look like a wii game.  Because that is my last hope for Sony kicking Nintendo's ass and teaching them a lesson.

Meh, who am i kidding i will still buy rpgs even if it is on the WiiU.

I'm interested in what you mean by no one competing with them. If you compile the breath of all third party software on the competing platforms you will have like-for-like games for every Nintendo franchise. Their hardware .. well yeah thats nothing special and with move/smartglass/vita and such not even unique.

[Damian79]

I mean in terms of markets.  The kiddy market in this case.  As far as i know no one else is going after the kids market except maybe apple i see a lot of young kids with ipod touches.  I mean the psv is not catered to kids, it is catered to adults, the wii is catered to kids.   Mario, Mario Kart, Pokemon are all catered to kids.

EDIT:  Maybe i confused you with the cod reference straight after, my bad.

[Momo]

Non first party I can see Ubisoft, SEGA and Activision in the kids sphere, not much else except Disney/Marvel spinoffs. But yeah the other two seem to be heavily slanted to the mid/late teens and up even with their uber casual wares