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Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2012, 09:08:08 PM »
I'd love FFVII more if it were only in midgar, it's true. and a lot of my love for 8 is the art as well, true. but 8 has NUMBERZ.
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« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2012, 09:11:03 PM »
Yes, X-2's job system is the EXACT SAME THING AS Tactics'. Nothing new at all was brought to the table.

You must be fucking kidding me. Why do I even bother?

i wasn't trying to say that it is the exact same thing,just that there is not anything that makes it different enough to make such a big difference from all the other final fantasies with job system,i mean parrying? i don't even have any idea what you are talking about with parrying

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Also, for all of your love for original battles systems, how the hell do you like 7 so much? It is the most boring and standard of all FF battle systems.

if you do it in a way that i feel is interessing enough you'll catch my attention but otherwise i don't really care about battle system,what i really like about jrpg is

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and the characters, setting and theme were awesome.

ah yes,this :heart,that's why i don't give a fuck if kingdom hearts is a button mashy game set in small room but squee like a little girl at the idea of a game that let me fight cinderella lucifer,captain hook and maleficent
this is why i liked FF13,after 9 years in which FF 10-2,FF11,FF12 and all the countless lame spinoff happened,finaly there was a final fantasy that once again gave a fuck to these thing
maybe in another 9 years they can release versus for the PS5

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because I will never be that young and dumb again.

oh no no no,even now i still love the game with every ounce of myself,i love midgar with his incomprensible neon light signs full of moon letters,i love the initial dialogue of the game where barret is all like "THINK OF THE PLANET" and cloud is all



i mean look at that screenshot the background it's so detailed,all those cables and neon lights and tubes,it gives so much flavor to the game
i love the part where cloud has to dress as a woman so he can infiltrate a pimp mansion,i love how after you defeat yuffie there is a save point that it's actualy A FUCKING TRAP,i love when you first meet tifa and your option are



they are both so goofy,i love when they have to infiltrate the shinra headquarters and they have to climb this huge wall full of graffiti and start climbing all that junk and fans,i love the part where you have to pick between the stairs and the elevator and if you pick the stairs,the character start complaning for the huge climb that last like 5 minutes

i love how sephiroth get introduced! most game hand you the villain by having him do something villanous like... burn a village and such! but when it comes to sephiroth you got cloud that is all like "OMG IT'S SEPHIROTH" and everybody is all like "who?" and then he goes on this long tale with the whole party going "uh-uh" and then the first thing the game does is throw at you an impossible battle just to show you that you don't want to fuck with sephiroth,it's a great way to introduce the villain into the plot

i love how there is a city that is just a big fucking cannon and it's owned by the most fucking aryan pompous nazi and his troops of super incompetent mooks,i love when they are on the ship and cloud find barret in a sailor suit that looks totaly ridiculous,i love how when cloud meets cait sith,cloud ask him "can you use your fortune teller power to find sephiroth" and cait sith goes like "sure" then he handle cloud a ticket with written on it "your lucky color is blue!" i love the plot twist (not that dumb bitch death! the other one!)

man i could keep this for hours
oh and the music,it's so good,i don't think there isn't a single piece of FFVII music i don't like,every single note is ingrained in my mind

and this is why i don't want a remake,they are going to advent childrenific the shit out of it and advent children is a movie about a guy with a mopey look that keeps watching the ground while looking like the prettiest korean pop star instead of someone who's just got out of a kickass cartoon,advent children is the complete and polar opposite of FFVII,if nomura ever snaps out of it (he did it once when he made TWEWY) goes back to the cloud on the left of the pic and they redraw all the backgrounds in HD then they have my blessing



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On the surface (which is about all the farther I'm willing to go with this discussion), it's probably the aesthetic and art direction that keeps people latched onto FF7, but a lot of the argument there applies to FF8, too—more science fiction than fantasy, "whimsy" not central to the design and tone, post-industrial towns, self-serious plot and principal characters.

yes,seriously they could remove the whole "game" out of FF7 and i'd still be the best game ever,and of course i like FF8 scenario too,the part where they assault the beach and there is a motherfucking robo-spider on the loose or the one where the two gardens fight each other and there's squall punching the shit out of people while dangling out of a cable
FF9 is good on that part too,treno! the city where it's always night! *cue piano music*

but it's really not on the same level when you get this idiot with this huge grin instead of !"£$%"$ cid and when the whole scenario turns from "terrorist into techno city" into "guy into some sort of college"
i think FF8 is also when they started to really force their hand with the romance sub plot and that's stupid
i also don't like how FF8 seems to fuck up with so many basic things just for the sake of doing it,monsters? they scale on your level! money? you get it from answering quizzes! spells? now you don't want to cast them anymore! summons? i hope you are good at button mashing!
it's like they never stopped once to ask themself "is this a good idea?"

you know this is somewhat embarassing to say,but i once found this guy doing a FF7 webcomic and i think that somehow it capture the spirit and style of the game even if it tend to be stupid at times so maybe a fellow FF7 fan like quietid can appreciate while the other of you can point and laugh at me (pic are somewhat big)

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he's also pretty good at catching some of the good backgrounds

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Re: Final Fantasy 7 remake to never get released
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2012, 09:16:14 PM »
they had been doing romance since at least ff4. ff8 is the only one where it's really pronounced, that and X and X-2. In fact, X was the last major FF where romance even played a major part. XII's romance was subtle and not shoehorned, XIII starred Lightning who is not interested in that shit. X came out over 10 years ago. Romance is hardly a part of FF's identity unless you will it.
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« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2012, 09:30:52 PM »
romance in 13 is very prominent and stupid



also this count for double when i said that "firework are romantic" and demi went all stupid on me like "don't you feel like fucking on 4th of july?"

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XII's romance was subtle and not shoehorned

was there any romance to begin with? i seriously can't remember
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« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2012, 09:44:39 PM »
Romance in XIII isn't that prominent. At most you get a Snow and Serah flashback, and that's it. They're not together at all in the game except in flashbacks that last 3 minutes.

Romance in XII:

It's hinted at that Fran left the wood to be with Balthier and that the two are lovers. It's never outright said but strongly hinted at.

Vaan and Penelo are a couple.

Not to mention Ashe and Rasler. The thing about XII and romance is that it never lingers on the romance itself, and instead shows this from character facial expressions, gestures, and simple stuff like hold hands not "I LOVE YOU, LET'S MAKE OUT".
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« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2012, 10:31:31 PM »
Hey I like the stuff Magus mentioned in FF7 too. The thing about 7 is it was one of the last FFs to be developed with a production style where basically everyone on the event/map teams got to add their own little subplots, NPCs, weird touches in the maps, minigames, etc. throughout the development process without very strong central oversight or even always advance planning. The good result of this is it results in a ton of interesting/neat/weird touches everywhere, the bad result is it's kind of an inconsistent mess.
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« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2012, 10:44:07 PM »
The good result of this is it results in a ton of interesting/neat/weird touches everywhere

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« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2012, 11:03:53 PM »
1 was my first game, 5 is my favorite game, but I still love 7. It's really the setting/scenario/world design and characters. 8 had an amazing scenario/world design but I hated the story and characters (and wasn't crazy about the auto-scaling and junction system), 9 was fantastic all around apart from real sluggish load times/battles.
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« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2012, 04:13:39 AM »
Vaan is nothing like that Borys. FYI, this is Vaan.



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« Reply #69 on: June 27, 2012, 11:49:17 AM »
No, he's better. He carries a smile, his posture is positive and confident. Emo Cloud is such a non-character. Why is he so emo? I DON'T KNOW.
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« Reply #70 on: June 27, 2012, 09:16:59 PM »
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At the time playing FF7, I thought it was really awesome.  Until the end of the first disc, anyway.

ah yes,personaly i always stop right before the temple of the ancients,it's not like the rest of the game is bad but by the time you are done with the first disc you have seen all the really good parts and then you get to the one where the game drags around like that huge materia hunt

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Anyway, it was the last FF Gooch had his hands in, and it shows.  The series lost a lot of its naive goofiness when he moved on.

i used to believe this too before playing the bunch of mistwalker games which were clearly written by a monkey
and a monkey sure didn't write FF7
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« Reply #71 on: June 27, 2012, 09:17:38 PM »
Disc 2 has a lot of great stuff though, like the attack on junon.
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« Reply #72 on: June 27, 2012, 09:19:55 PM »
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At the time playing FF7, I thought it was really awesome.  Until the end of the first disc, anyway.

ah yes,personaly i always stop right before the temple of the ancients,it's not like the rest of the game is bad but by the time you are done with the first disc you have seen all the really good parts and then you get to the one where the game drags around like that huge materia hunt

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Anyway, it was the last FF Gooch had his hands in, and it shows.  The series lost a lot of its naive goofiness when he moved on.

i used to believe this too before playing the bunch of mistwalker games which were clearly written by a monkey
and a monkey sure didn't write FF7

people get old. people lose their spark. Spielberg isn't as great as he used to be, George Lucas sucks now and I refuse to believe this is the same guy who did American Graffiti or THX 1138. Also, blue dragon had a lot of charm going for it.
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« Reply #73 on: June 27, 2012, 09:20:14 PM »
personaly i like how you get to fuck around with a sub,i remember reading a rumor that there was actualy a third map on space that you could access by saving cid rocket (of course you can't do that)
they should do that if a remake ever happens

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people get old. people lose their spark. Spielberg isn't as great as he used to be, George Lucas sucks now and I refuse to believe this is the same guy who did American Graffiti or THX 1138. Also, blue dragon had a lot of charm going for it.

eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh i don't know,as i said multiple times,i really like TWEWY,it feels like those older psx game i love so friggin much,and that was done by nomura,so the idea of nomura being occasionaly stupid with stuff like advent children and sakaguchi being permanently stupid in the first place sounds more reasonable to me based on their last games they have done separately
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« Reply #74 on: June 27, 2012, 09:21:13 PM »
The sub was scary as shit.
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« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2012, 09:24:57 PM »
personaly i like how you get to fuck around with a sub,i remember reading a rumor that there was actualy a third map on space that you could access by saving cid rocket (of course you can't do that)
they should do that if a remake ever happens

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people get old. people lose their spark. Spielberg isn't as great as he used to be, George Lucas sucks now and I refuse to believe this is the same guy who did American Graffiti or THX 1138. Also, blue dragon had a lot of charm going for it.

eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh i don't know,as i said multiple times,i really like TWEWY,it feels like those older psx game i love so friggin much,and that was done by nomura,so the idea of nomura being occasionaly stupid with stuff like advent children and sakaguchi being permanently stupid in the first place sounds more reasonable to me based on their last games they have done separately

The problem with this argument is that Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon reminded ME of psx and snes rpgs and I loved them for that very reason.
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« Reply #76 on: June 27, 2012, 11:15:11 PM »
Toriyama was FF13, not Kitase.

Also, Itou makes my pants hard.
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« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2012, 11:23:26 PM »
I know, I thought you were talking about director because you listed directors.
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« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2012, 03:12:54 AM »
I love Gooch influenced works, the only one I would class as dodgy is The Last Story (Outside of movies)

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« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2012, 03:35:25 AM »
Fuck that, The Spirits Within was amazing. I wish Dr. Aki Ross was in Dissidia

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« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2012, 06:45:49 AM »
Look, I'm not saying Sakaguchi was responsible for all the good parts of the older games, but he definitely added a particular kind of silliness to the games that I feel has been missing since he left.  Games aren't a one-man team by any means, but the director/producer does tend to set the tone, and I preferred the tone of Sakaguchi's FFs.  FF hasn't been the same without Gooch and Gooch hasn't been the same without FF.

I'm not sure why you're setting him against Nomura, either.  Nomura hasn't produced or directed a single FF game.  The only FF games I'd say he even had a strong influence on were 8 and 10.  He has retro-actively affected FF7, but I don't think you like what he added there.  And I'm also not sure why you're giving Nomura full credit on TWEWY.  He designed the main character's visual design and contributed some ideas, but you're doing a disservice to the people who really made TWEWY to say it's Nomura's game.

If we're talking FF and you want to set Sakaguchi against anyone, it should be Kitase.  FF has had several "overseers": Sakaguchi/Terada (FF1-3), Sakaguchi/Itou (FF4-5, FF9), Sakaguchi/Itou/Kitase (FF6), Sakaguchi/Kitase/Nojima (FF7), Kitase/Nojima (FF8, FF13), Kitase/Toriyama (FFX), and Matsuno/Itou (FF12).  Sorting out the outlier (FF12), this broadly breaks into three eras: Gooch (FF1-5, 9), Gooch/Kitase (FF6/7), and Kitase (FF8, 10, 13).  Obviously the best results came from the Gooch/Kitase collab, but I'd take Gooch's era over Kitase's era any day of the week.  A lot of people wave the bat at Nomura over the change in the series, but it's really not his fault.  It's Kitase's.  Modern FF is Kitase's series.  And Kitase doesn't do goofy well, but by God and country he will someday direct an episode of Dawson's Creek.

well i have no precise idea of who did what and such,my point anyway was that i liked what they did with TWEWY but i don't like mistwalker games very much,therefore the bad apple of the bunch must be the gooch
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« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2012, 08:31:57 AM »
I'm really hoping the rumor that Itou is hard at work on FF15 is true... seems like the last amazing guy left there, I'm not really too nuts about Kitase or Nojima (and especially not Toriyama).
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« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2012, 08:39:23 AM »
Look, I'm not saying Sakaguchi was responsible for all the good parts of the older games, but he definitely added a particular kind of silliness to the games that I feel has been missing since he left.  Games aren't a one-man team by any means, but the director/producer does tend to set the tone, and I preferred the tone of Sakaguchi's FFs.  FF hasn't been the same without Gooch and Gooch hasn't been the same without FF.

the silliness has more to do with the development process than anything, and the change in that has mostly to do with technology and volume

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I'm not sure why you're setting him against Nomura, either.  Nomura hasn't produced or directed a single FF game.  The only FF games I'd say he even had a strong influence on were 8 and 10.

7 and 8 (not 10). Nomura was something close to a co-director on both those games, he had a heavy influence on story, concept, characters (not just visually), battles, and many aspects of visual design (enemies, spell/special attack animations, FMV). By 10 he'd moved on to Kingdom Hearts and his continuing work on FF was mostly just character visual design.
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« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2012, 10:06:26 AM »
Look, I'm not saying Sakaguchi was responsible for all the good parts of the older games, but he definitely added a particular kind of silliness to the games that I feel has been missing since he left.  Games aren't a one-man team by any means, but the director/producer does tend to set the tone, and I preferred the tone of Sakaguchi's FFs.  FF hasn't been the same without Gooch and Gooch hasn't been the same without FF.

I'm not sure why you're setting him against Nomura, either.  Nomura hasn't produced or directed a single FF game.  The only FF games I'd say he even had a strong influence on were 8 and 10.  He has retro-actively affected FF7, but I don't think you like what he added there.  And I'm also not sure why you're giving Nomura full credit on TWEWY.  He designed the main character's visual design and contributed some ideas, but you're doing a disservice to the people who really made TWEWY to say it's Nomura's game.

If we're talking FF and you want to set Sakaguchi against anyone, it should be Kitase.  FF has had several "overseers": Sakaguchi/Terada (FF1-3), Sakaguchi/Itou (FF4-5, FF9), Sakaguchi/Itou/Kitase (FF6), Sakaguchi/Kitase/Nojima (FF7), Kitase/Nojima (FF8, FF13), Kitase/Toriyama (FFX), and Matsuno/Itou (FF12).  Sorting out the outlier (FF12), this broadly breaks into three eras: Gooch (FF1-5, 9), Gooch/Kitase (FF6/7), and Kitase (FF8, 10, 13).  Obviously the best results came from the Gooch/Kitase collab, but I'd take Gooch's era over Kitase's era any day of the week.  A lot of people wave the bat at Nomura over the change in the series, but it's really not his fault.  It's Kitase's.  Modern FF is Kitase's series.  And Kitase doesn't do goofy well, but by God and country he will someday direct an episode of Dawson's Creek.

well i have no precise idea of who did what and such,my point anyway was that i liked what they did with TWEWY but i don't like mistwalker games very much,therefore the bad apple of the bunch must be the gooch

your logic is illogical. those were gooch's first games in like 10 years.
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« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2012, 10:08:34 AM »
FFVII and VIII had a lot of humor.

I'm really hoping the rumor that Itou is hard at work on FF15 is true... seems like the last amazing guy left there, I'm not really too nuts about Kitase or Nojima (and especially not Toriyama).

this rumor has no basis. itou is working on a card game.
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« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2012, 10:12:32 AM »
That's true. But you say weird humor, and I think VII and VIII fit the bill. VII's got stuff like Honey Bee In and LET'S MOSEY. VIII has Laguna getting leg cramps, Seifer going on about puberty on train rides to missions, and no one paying attention to Zell ever as a running gag. When IX came out, I never understood what they were doing. "Final Fantasy has lost its humor." "What in the fuck are these people talking about and what have they been playing?" By that point, I had played 4-6 and Chrono Trigger and I still had no clue. So it's not that FF lost its humor, it's more like the humor went from cartoony/slapstick to more...I don't know.

In fact, the humor is one thing I miss about FF. I think FFX was the last main FF to have humor in its writing. FFXII - bless it - and XIII are dry in that area. Well, XIII has humor, but it's in an ironic "haha this game is so fucking stupid" way.
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« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2012, 10:19:49 AM »
Crisis Core almost has that old brand of FF humor but it was in that FFVII sort of way. The killing monsters with a beach umbrella used as a sword sorta way. FFVII was such a weird ass game.

And I know you said the Sakaguchi sort of humor. I'm just humoring you - heh - in something that a lot of fans bring up. Especially when they say VIII in particular is so ultra serious. I have no clue what game they are playing or if they have selective memory.
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« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2012, 10:24:46 AM »
Yeah, I felt I had been careful in specifying Sakaguchi's "particular brand of humour" in earlier posts, but I guess I wasn't careful enough, haha.  There's still plenty of oddness in non-Gooch games, but it's different oddness and it doesn't work as well for me.  FF7 still has it, but Gooch worked on that one, so.
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« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2012, 10:26:24 AM »
A lot of the Honeybee Inn related quests and activities were actually written by Toriyama. He made the Inn itself far more hardcore in the original script but they were like "no, let's not do that." You can see his love for weird stupid shit carry in to stuff like The Third Birthday but in those games, there's no one to censor him.
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« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2012, 10:26:43 AM »
Yeah, I felt I had been careful in specifying Sakaguchi's "particular brand of humour" in earlier posts, but I guess I wasn't careful enough, haha.  There's still plenty of oddness in non-Gooch games, but it's different oddness and it doesn't work as well for me.  FF7 still has it, but Gooch worked on that one, so.
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« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2012, 10:28:04 AM »
Really? I loved the entire honeybee Inn sequence to death, I spent most of the time doing those quests laughing like a maniac

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« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2012, 10:30:14 AM »
In Toriyama's original, Cloud can get into the Don Corneo's mansion with Marlene's panties. Some guy swipe some panties from 7th Heaven thinking they were Tifa's - he has a raging boner for her you see - but the panties Cloud gets are the size for a little girl, so the guy mistakenly gets Marlene's panties instead. Cloud uses these.

Kitase basically said,"No."
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« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2012, 10:41:03 AM »
guys does tifa really die? i wanna bang aeris instead

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« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2012, 11:26:44 AM »
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your logic is illogical. those were gooch's first games in like 10 years.

doesn't matter,the writing in lost odyssey is horrendous,it's like he never tried in the first place
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« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2012, 11:44:49 AM »
Ermm, I'm pretty sure the Gooch was never all that granular in regards to writing, I think he preferred to paint in broad strokes

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