Official Dark Knight killer thread

[bdoughty]

Are you saying that black market dealers will import guns from Mexico or Canada?

Last I checked the US Government was an exporter of guns to Mexico. 

I think you are missing the sarcasm in my last post. There are tons of guns out there, tons of legal and illegal gunmakers out there.  You can call for mandatory registration of guns but all that will do is force the honest gun owners to pay yet another fee, while it will do absolutely nothing to affect gun crime, as criminals tend to ignore laws (yes even MANDATORY laws).

[brawndolicious]

Are you saying that black market dealers will import guns from Mexico or Canada?

Last I checked the US Government was an exporter of guns to Mexico. 

I think you are missing the sarcasm in my last post. There are tons of guns out there, tons of legal and illegal gunmakers out there.  You can call for mandatory registration of guns but all that will do is force the honest gun owners to pay yet another fee, while it will do absolutely nothing to affect gun crime, as criminals tend to ignore laws (yes even MANDATORY laws).

So why is there no black market gun manufacturing industry in any other country that has strict gun laws?

[Diunx]

Reading the tweets in the theater from the victim who also tweeted about surviving those Toronto shootings a while few weeks back is pretty f'n eerie.

Damn!

[bdoughty]

i think i found a way to ride this out - by laughing at homo setchels on gaf

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40070461&postcount=1728

ahaha, unless this guy was directly affected by this via people he knows or lives in the same town or something he is an asspie, human beings aren't wired to care about other people in groups of more than a hundred or two

nvm it absolutely cannot get any better than this, fuck this guy for ruining everything:  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40070607&postcount=1754

I have noticed an increase in feminist posters at NGaf, throw in all the guys and galls who play on the same teams and you have a virtual "Bridges of Madison County" in the making.  I especially blame that Devolution chick, getting in a discussion with her is like having your testicles slammed with a hammer. They should put testosterone pills on their online store before all the "male posters" lactate all over their PC's and electrocute themselves.

[bdoughty]

So why is there no black market gun manufacturing industry in any other country that has strict gun laws?

Is this based on research? I think you are reaching into the clouds again.


For example, I am using drugs as info is easier to find.

http://blog.thegooddrugsguide.com/0801/7-countries-you-dont-want-to-get-caught-with-drugs-in/

Iran is one of the most active executioners of drug offenders. Under the Islamic regime, up to 500 drug traffickers are executed every year. More than 10,000 narcotics traffickers and drug users have already been put to death in Iran in the past few decades. Drug possession and use is also punished severely. Getting caught with a few grams of marijuana could get one up to 70 lashes.

[brawndolicious]

So why is there no black market gun manufacturing industry in any other country that has strict gun laws?

Is this based on research? I think you are reaching into the clouds again.
For example, I am using drugs as info is easier to find.
http://blog.thegooddrugsguide.com/0801/7-countries-you-dont-want-to-get-caught-with-drugs-in/
Iran is one of the most active executioners of drug offenders. Under the Islamic regime, up to 500 drug traffickers are executed every year. More than 10,000 narcotics traffickers and drug users have already been put to death in Iran in the past few decades. Drug possession and use is also punished severely. Getting caught with a few grams of marijuana could get one up to 70 lashes.

Wow, I was totally confused what drugs and Iran have to do with this but I think I get the point that you're trying to make. That combating drug trade even with the harshest laws still doesn't get rid of the problem.

Well here's a couple things about that situation:

1. They're right next door the opium/hash manufacturer of the world. If this was a methamphetamine problem then I could understand but these are imported drugs. Unless Iran invades Afghanistan, they can't really do anything to stop the problem at it's source.

2. The Iranian legal system is a corrupt pile of shit that makes no sense. There's a million examples but one that my father (who's Iranian) told me was about this one DA or judge or something that made it so that anybody caught with more than a few grams of heroin will be automatically put to death. Quick trial, no appeals, no mercy. In 6 months, this drove up the price of heroin by 5 times until a son of somebody important in the government got caught and was being put through this death sentence express lane. This caused investigation of these trials and they found that a lot of the people being put to death had a 30 minute trial and just totally circumstantial evidence. This caused them to scale back the punishments to whatever they were before.

So what I'm saying is that even if Iran was a similar situation as far as importing of illegal goods, do not ever put faith in the Iranian law enforcement/judicial system.

[Phoenix Dark]

[Barry Egan]

Some iron-clad arguments there.

edit: haha.

[T234]

How much you wanna bet he got his guns at a gun show?

Why would that matter?  Anyways, reports say they were purchased legally at Gander Mountain

Cause that loophole needs to get closed.

Most sellers at a gun show are legal dealers.  They still have to abide by the rules set forth for dealers (background check, ID, etc).  Very few people go to a gun show to divest their own personal gun collection.  Closing the "loophole" would mean that when I decide to sell to a buddy of mine I have to go to an FFL and have him get a background check and pay them for their time.  It would mean I can't sell to my friends or trade firearms privately.  Most shooters don't use this "loophole" anyways.  It's easy enough to go buy it legally either from a dealer or privately if you do indeed have a criminal history.

Yeah, buying guns in AMERCUH ain't hard. Even if you got a record a mile long.

Like somebody said earlier, the problem ain't the fact that people buy guns, it's the fact that people wanna kill other people.

[T234]

Are you saying that black market dealers will import guns from Mexico or Canada?

Last I checked the US Government was an exporter of guns to Mexico. 

I think you are missing the sarcasm in my last post. There are tons of guns out there, tons of legal and illegal gunmakers out there.  You can call for mandatory registration of guns but all that will do is force the honest gun owners to pay yet another fee, while it will do absolutely nothing to affect gun crime, as criminals tend to ignore laws (yes even MANDATORY laws).

So why is there no black market gun manufacturing industry in any other country that has strict gun laws?

There is a black market for guns everywhere. EVERYWHERE. A buddy of mine came back with a real nice hand-made pistol. FROM JAPAN. Probably the nicest pistol I've seen to date.

[Mupepe]

Why would there be a black market for gun manufacturing when commercial guns are cheaper, readily available and (key point here) so easy to smuggle? Instead the black market is for smuggling and converting semi auto guns into fully auto.

And as for your earlier comments am nintenho, there are many ideal solutions to every problem but if they're not mildly feasible why are you discussing them? In my ideal world everyone would be rich and there would be little reason to murder each other.

[T234]

Keep in mind, all of the handmade guns I've seen to date have been waaaay nicer than ANYTHING off an assembly line. My buddy's pistol is just off-the-scale perfect, as it should be. Every piece of it was machined by hand, and made to fit his hand.

[Mupepe]

I want an Ed Brown custom 1911

[T234]

I wish I could get a picture of this piece. Can't for pretty fucking obvious reasons

I have shot it. It made my amateur ass look like a god. Somebody who's good with a pistol would do crazy shit with it. I know The Owner did.

[Madrun Badrun]

If I could get a custom gun and I would make it look like a lighter.  That would be hip.

[bdoughty]

Were you really surprised that Alex Jones would believe such a thing? Guy is nuttier than a can of Planters peanuts. Zealots to the right of us, zealots to the left of us, why give these morons any attention?

[Human Snorenado]

How much you wanna bet he got his guns at a gun show?

Why would that matter?  Anyways, reports say they were purchased legally at Gander Mountain

Cause that loophole needs to get closed.

Most sellers at a gun show are legal dealers.  They still have to abide by the rules set forth for dealers (background check, ID, etc).  Very few people go to a gun show to divest their own personal gun collection.  Closing the "loophole" would mean that when I decide to sell to a buddy of mine I have to go to an FFL and have him get a background check and pay them for their time.  It would mean I can't sell to my friends or trade firearms privately.  Most shooters don't use this "loophole" anyways.  It's easy enough to go buy it legally either from a dealer or privately if you do indeed have a criminal history.

Yeah, buying guns in AMERCUH ain't hard. Even if you got a record a mile long.

Like somebody said earlier, the problem ain't the fact that people buy guns, it's the fact that people wanna kill other people.

Keep in mind a few things.  First, I'm a gun owner... but if someone wants to kill someone here in 'murika, the fact that it's NOT hard to get guns makes it EASIER to kill people.  Second, everyone please take your "well if someone in there had been strapped they could have stopped this loon" argument.  The loon in question a) used suppressive measures like deploying gas and wearing bullet proof armor and b) I'm sure no one would have been caught in that crossfire in a darkened, gas filled theater.  No chance of that!

Honestly, in my opinion everyone having access to better medical care including mental health care would probably help stop shit like this more than gun control, but it would make people like bdoughty has a sad if some dirty poor got a yearly check up with some of his hard earned tax dollars, so this is the sort of bullshit you get to live with in a society as fucking dumb as ours.

[Mupepe]

I have no problem with making guns more difficult to obtain.  The gunshow loophole shit is just a stupid distraction from what's actually wrong with the system. It has little to no effect and is one of those laws that would just further inconvenience law abiding owners. Its the anti gun version of "those damn welfare queens!". Definitely a way around the proper system but mostly overblown political dick swinging.

[Mupepe]

And I don't think anyone in here was saying we need more armed people to stop loons like this. Those people are distinguished mentally-challenged.

[Great Rumbler]

The whole "if people in the theaters had guns, this wouldn't have been as bad" crowd is totally nuts. It's a dark theater, it's suddenly filled with choking smoke, and someone somewhere is firing wildly into a large, panicked crowd. And you're going to expect a few gun owners [likely with only the baseline of training in the handling of the weapon and nothing in the way of police/military tactical training] are going to suddenly work together to take down the shooter? Give me a break.

[bdoughty]

Honestly, in my opinion everyone having access to better medical care including mental health care would probably help stop shit like this more than gun control, but it would make people like bdoughty has a sad if some dirty poor got a yearly check up with some of his hard earned tax dollars, so this is the sort of bullshit you get to live with in a society as fucking dumb as ours.

Is this LOL speak or some internet meme I am not aware of?  Excuse me for not "has a sad" but I am for affordable healthcare, especially for people like myself who have numerous medical conditions and could not get affordable health care quotes. Fortunately for me I finally reached year two of being on disability which allowed me to enroll in Medicare (at $99 a month) and the option for moderately affordable healthcare plans through Medicare.

Obviously you did not see that coming.

[drew]

The whole "if people in the theaters had guns, this wouldn't have been as bad" crowd is totally nuts. It's a dark theater, it's suddenly filled with choking smoke, and someone somewhere is firing wildly into a large, panicked crowd. And you're going to expect a few gun owners [likely with only the baseline of training in the handling of the weapon and nothing in the way of police/military tactical training] are going to suddenly work together to take down the shooter? Give me a break.

[Eric P]

[ManaByte]

The whole "if people in the theaters had guns, this wouldn't have been as bad" crowd is totally nuts. It's a dark theater, it's suddenly filled with choking smoke, and someone somewhere is firing wildly into a large, panicked crowd. And you're going to expect a few gun owners [likely with only the baseline of training in the handling of the weapon and nothing in the way of police/military tactical training] are going to suddenly work together to take down the shooter? Give me a break.

People were saying that because this happened just a couple of days earlier:

[drew]

and because of thousands of other examples of bad armed people being stopped by good armed people.  there is a precedence for this kind of thing, maybe in the future you should turn to that instead of your imagination as to what the outcome would be.

[Diunx]

So I have seem multiple people refer to this as "The Batman Massacre" I hope that name doesn't stick 

[Phoenix Dark]

The whole "if people in the theaters had guns, this wouldn't have been as bad" crowd is totally nuts. It's a dark theater, it's suddenly filled with choking smoke, and someone somewhere is firing wildly into a large, panicked crowd. And you're going to expect a few gun owners [likely with only the baseline of training in the handling of the weapon and nothing in the way of police/military tactical training] are going to suddenly work together to take down the shooter? Give me a break.

People were saying that because this happened just a couple of days earlier:

I disagree; gun enthusiasts say this every time a public shooting happens. And while certainly there are plenty of cases where a trained gun owner could save lives, I doubt the movie theater would be one of them. Again, the guy had gas bombs and a semi-automatic weapon, plus goggles and body armor. I doubt an off duty cop could have taken him down

edit: lmao @ the girl in the video who doesn't realize the place is being robbed immediately. She kind of casually turns around and is like "oh shit."

[Himu]

The whole "if people in the theaters had guns, this wouldn't have been as bad" crowd is totally nuts. It's a dark theater, it's suddenly filled with choking smoke, and someone somewhere is firing wildly into a large, panicked crowd. And you're going to expect a few gun owners [likely with only the baseline of training in the handling of the weapon and nothing in the way of police/military tactical training] are going to suddenly work together to take down the shooter? Give me a break.

I stole this for my fb. thanks.

[Himu]

and because of thousands of other examples of bad armed people being stopped by good armed people.  there is a precedence for this kind of thing, maybe in the future you should turn to that instead of your imagination as to what the outcome would be.

Yes, let's compare a robbery at a net cafe with its lights on, where the guys who are barely armed to an incident that takes place in a fucking movie theatre that is dark, houses at least 100 people, all running in the same direction, in a cloudy room full of gas against a lone dude with a semi-auto, body armor, and goggles.

How is it up in La La Land where every single case like this is equal?

[drew]

so you're telling me you'd rather hide in an aisle and piss your pants rather than have a fighting chance? interesting.

also i wasn't saying every good shoot compares to what could have happened in the theater, you conjecturing thing, you.

FACT is that it is ALWAYS better to have a good armed guy in the same room as a bad armed guy.  a good ccw holder wouldn't take a shot if there was a chance his bullet would strike anyone other than intended.  you guys are projecting your own inexperience onto how you think a ccwer would react.  i'd bet that here were plenty of chances to take him out without the risk of unintended injury, you said it yourself - people were running out of the theater, and everyone else probably had already hit the deck if they weren't running...

[Himu]

ROFL

[Dickie Dee]

ROFL

No use arguing with gun fetishists. Rational logic doesn't stand a chance against their gun fantasies that make their penis move.

[drew]

i don't see how my scenario differs from great rumbler's, how he envisioned multiple ccwers "working together" shooting innocents because of their "lack of police/military tacticool training".  or himu's grim picture of an iron clad unstoppable death machine carrying a "semi-auto" and wearing baby seeking FLIR goggles, with multiple pregnant women standing between you and him.

use imagined scenario's in your shit and expect some back

[drew]

if you really want to know my gun fetishist fantasy it involves shooting rocked up redgaurds with an 870 from the relative comfort of my space blanket while munching on dehydrated lasagna prepared with boiling water from my camping stove

[Himu]

if you really want to know my gun fetishist fantasy it involves shooting rocked up redgaurds with an 870 from the relative comfort of my space blanket while munching on dehydrated lasagna prepared with boiling water from my camping stove

racist

[drew]

realist

fixed

[drew]

why you would go on national television and bawl through a story about abandoning your wife and child?

[Boogie]

I think it's dumb that the gun control debate only comes up when a mass shooting like this comes up.

No, stronger gun control laws aren't going to prevent your occasional determined, premeditated psychopath.  But that's not where the debate should lay.  It's in the big picture, the endless gun deaths that don't make CNN.

Just gonna leave this here:



The United States has a homicide rate that is three to four times higher than EVERY SINGLE OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY ON THE GAWDAMMED PLANET.

I'm not saying stronger gun control laws is the "magic bullet" on this issue, but you guys are clearly doing something really fucking wrong.

[drew]

those homicide rates are in my opinion irrelevant, they are contaminated with the fact the the overwhelming vast majority of them are black on black.  keep in mind that the country that really has the most gun murders (or just murders, plain and simple) is Africa.  no matter what reaction you have been conditioned to have since grade school upon hearing something like this it's a simple fact that can't be ignored as coincidence or mere "environment"

i'll just leave this here

[Boogie]

those homicide rates are in my opinion irrelevant,

You heard it here first, folks.  Facts are irrelevant.

The United States having the highest homicide rate in the industrialized world is irrelevant.

It's all the violent darkies who are bringing America down.

edit:  Also, drew, Africa is not a country.

[Mandark]

the country that really has the most gun murders (or just murders, plain and simple) is Africa

No comment.

[Verdigris Murder]

Drew kicking it up a level.

[MrAngryFace]

One issue is that gun control, to conservatives, is a binary argument. They assume the instant you look sideways to their gun pile you mean to take it all away. However, as a liberal that now owns a gun- I get tired of the 'you own a gun so you are a bad person that is about to snap' attitude you frequently get in conversation.

[Mandark]

If it's any consolation, I thought you were on the verge of snapping anyway and didn't realize you owned a gun.

[Mandark]

Can you imagine if MAF actually did flip out and kill a bunch of people?  Media would have a lot to work with.  "He posted in anonymous online groups, discussing violent movies and videogames.  He used the handle 'Mister Angry' and marked his posts with the picture of a frightening red and black mask.  The question remains, why did nobody see these signs?"

[MrAngryFace]

just a 22LR- target shooting with friends on the olympic peninsula once in a while. Im actually pretty rational in person- verging on boring, even

[Phoenix Dark]

"He would often mutter about something called Slayers. Perhaps it was the name of his murderous cult"

[Himu]

those homicide rates are in my opinion irrelevant

imagine you are a black male

tell me this stat is in any way irrelevant

[Boogie]

t keep in mind that the country that really has the most gun murders (or just murders, plain and simple) is Africa.  n

Wait, let's get back to this.

Ignoring the part where you're racist and suck at geography, you're also WRONG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

Highest homicide rate = Honduras.  For countries that have such data, the highest rates are in Central and South America.  South Africa trails at number 10 on that one wiki list.

Of course, people in Latin America are still kinda dark skinned, so your overall point still stands, right, drew?

[Mandark]

Well obviously the most dangerous situation is when you mix the raw bloodlust of the negro with the amoral cunning of the Castilian.

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One day my campaign for school board will go down in flames thanks to sarcastic crap I said on the internet.

[close]

[Boogie]

It's okay everyone, he claims he was just trolling.

We believe that, right?

[drew]

goddamnit boogie

[Phoenix Dark]

I can see it now. "Mr. Mandark is just another carpetbagger from the suburbs. He wants to continue the job started by those who stole our bakeries"

[Boogie]

goddamnit boogie

sorry bro, had to

[Boogie]

anyway, as for the shooting itself.

I don't understand why the dude booby-trapped his apartment with explosives, presumably to kill cops on entry, and yet, when he was arrested, it was reported that he was the one who told the cops that there were explosives in his apartment. 

[Phoenix Dark]

anyway, as for the shooting itself.

I don't understand why the dude booby-trapped his apartment with explosives, presumably to kill cops on entry, and yet, when he was arrested, it was reported that he was the one who told the cops that there were explosives in his apartment. 

Actually he rigged his apartment so his radio would start blasting music loudly after a certain period, in violation of the apartment's noise policies. He left his door unlocked and slightly open so a neighbor could walk in and trip the wires.

I saw an interview of a guy who knocked on the door and was about to go in, but decided to call the police instead. Lucky bastard

[Diunx]

Damn that's fucking cold!

[Diunx]

t keep in mind that the country that really has the most gun murders (or just murders, plain and simple) is Africa.  n

Wait, let's get back to this.

Ignoring the part where you're racist and suck at geography, you're also WRONG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

Highest homicide rate = Honduras.  For countries that have such data, the highest rates are in Central and South America.  South Africa trails at number 10 on that one wiki list.

Of course, people in Latin America are still kinda dark skinned, so your overall point still stands, right, drew?

We are higher on that list than fucking Mexico :dominicancry.

[Mandark]

anyway, as for the shooting itself.

I don't understand why the dude booby-trapped his apartment with explosives, presumably to kill cops on entry, and yet, when he was arrested, it was reported that he was the one who told the cops that there were explosives in his apartment. 

It's as if he's driven by unclear and irrational motives!

[Mr. Gundam]

I think he told them about the bombs to see if they could disarm it. His original plan failed, so now lets see if they can solve his puzzle.