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Re: SOMEONE EXPLAIN ANTI-GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIANS TO ME
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2012, 02:05:50 PM »
One of the many things I never got about libertarianism was how reducing things like food and water safety regulations, and eliminating the minimum wage as well as removing many other worker protections actually HELPS working class people.  ???

You're beginning from a false assumption- namely that libertarians are interested in things that "help" working class people.  Libertarians are obsessed with everything conforming to their convoluted sense of "fairness".  It doesn't matter if the end result is more people being healthy and not dying if it comes from a process that INFRINGES ON MAH LIBERTY.
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« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2012, 02:06:41 PM »
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You are dog shit stupid, you know that right?
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« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2012, 02:09:04 PM »
implying that i posted it because it correlates with my opinion and not something i yanked off my cousins facebook that i knew would rustle your jimmies to no end

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« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2012, 02:21:57 PM »
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« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2012, 02:40:38 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2012, 03:09:37 PM »
One of the many things I never got about libertarianism was how reducing things like food and water safety regulations, and eliminating the minimum wage as well as removing many other worker protections actually HELPS working class people.  ???

They don't give a fuck about that. It's all about working hard and being successful. Who cares what other people do? It's all about me.
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« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2012, 03:25:31 PM »
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I wonder what jdub thinks of this picture considering that he seems to think that animals are objects and that humans are uniquely awesome due to some magical spark that entered every member of our species at some specific point in our evolutionary history.

Edit: That was kind of a cheap shot. 
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Re: SOMEONE EXPLAIN ANTI-GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIANS TO ME
« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2012, 04:18:46 PM »
One of the many things I never got about libertarianism was how reducing things like food and water safety regulations, and eliminating the minimum wage as well as removing many other worker protections actually HELPS working class people.  ???

You're beginning from a false assumption- namely that libertarians are interested in things that "help" working class people.  Libertarians are obsessed with everything conforming to their convoluted sense of "fairness".  It doesn't matter if the end result is more people being healthy and not dying if it comes from a process that INFRINGES ON MAH LIBERTY.

this a thousand times over.  libertarians care more about the process than the results.  what matters is HOW you do it, and in such a way that it doesn't fuck with their goofy-ass economic rules.  hardcore libs have literally told me, "why should i care about the poor? why should i care about equality?"  they're coming from a fucked-up starting point and just building up the stupid off of that. and of course that irony that all these fucks benefit from countless social welfare programs, and the fact that most of them are privileged-out-the-ass white dudes, makes it all the more hilarious.


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« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2012, 11:31:56 PM »
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I wonder what jdub thinks of this picture considering that he seems to think that animals are objects and that humans are uniquely awesome due to some magical spark that entered every member of our species at some specific point in our evolutionary history.

Edit: That was kind of a cheap shot.
I remember he once, in a moment of clarity, expressed doubt about vivisection on chimps.  It really stuck with me, because neither he nor anybody else noticed how utterly that one off-hand concession eroded his entire outlook.
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Re: SOMEONE EXPLAIN ANTI-GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIANS TO ME
« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2012, 07:57:47 AM »
Where are you people meeting these liberdopian women? And black?!? With potentially crazy pubes?!?

I'll answer some questions if people want, don't want to go through the thread** picking out stuff and starting arguments because that's uncouth*. But I'll try to give some friendly answers to stuff best I can.

libertarians care more about the process than the results.
*I was going to start here and note that it's hardly something exclusive to libertarianism (example: the democratic fetish) but then I realized that I'm a boring dick and actually answering questions is probably better and simpler. (Since I can watch OPERATION DOUBLE 007 instead...is there a recent MST3K thread?)

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How many did you guys get?



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« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2012, 08:15:51 AM »
Objectivists seem to come in only two real flavors. There's the sort of hardcore philosophical type who locksteps to her notion of how you can't have a philosophy that is not "consistent" across every possible form of thought. I actually somewhat like these types because they can be fun to mess around with.

Then there's the Objectivist bastards who are really just barbaric warlords who think Ayn Rand justified their subjugation of the planet to their whims. And because she said it thus it shall be. They claim to be part of the libertarian family, but I don't buy it. They have a notion of this "proper" society and "right" society that exists, here, it's America, and thus America has the right to impose on any nation that provides less for any reason. I find them sick because they poison the well of an actual pursuit of liberty.

These people aren't even the Ann Coulter (joking, in the heat of the moment or serious) statement of going into the Middle East to Christianize them. They want that to be eternal American foreign policy forever against every nation in the world.

One I know likes to count down the days since we should have taken out Iran. (Whatever this means.) Which he dates to some random missile launch or something. Drug war, gay marriage, burning down public schools with teachers and children in them, he hits all the libertarian and many progressive points until you start talking about foreigners, who need to bombed into tribute of the glorious American state.

And then there's the people who for whatever reason love her monologues (maybe because it's the first thing of the sort they read) but are otherwise just libertarians or conservatives.

We The Living is the only decent thing she wrote.

Actually no, Anthem is sorta alright. I'd read it if you forced me to.

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Re: SOMEONE EXPLAIN ANTI-GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIANS TO ME
« Reply #71 on: August 09, 2012, 08:41:04 AM »
Here's the problem and I probably should have put it in my first post.

I'm basically an anarchist. (Voluntaryism was the last thing I set both feet on.) So I think everything can be privatized in an ideal world.

But.

I like to think I'm not a moron, and I've never not in anything, including politics, been a revolutionary. Just an evolutionary.

But.

I'm also a poli sci moron, so you need to give me time frames and goals.

Take an extreme case. Privatizing Medicare. (You're getting a concession by privatizing it instead of eliminating it!) Over night, a year, decade? No, no, no. But take say Paul Ryan's plan, which I don't like, but as an example, it could be a way to do these types of things over a long term. Weening people most of our ages around here off the system may SAVE the system. It's one reason even though it's not what I wanted, I did like Bush's effort to reform Social Security.

To add: My two personal issues and the ones that get me really fired up instead of pissed for an hour to argue with dopes and then forgetting about it are the War on Drugs and Education. That last one has so much fat, like much bureaucracy to cut out. It's almost a crime like the first one.

All of that rambling aside, and to pick something, I think the FCC could easily be done in a couple years. There's enough established industry control (thanks to government fiat! yay!) and agreement that I'm not sure why they have to ignore MRC PR releases as their job. Maybe reduce it to a masterlist of some sort?

Sigh...you get the ideal vs. practical battle with me in one post often.

Oh wait, I'm supposed to add destroy The Fed right?

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Re: SOMEONE EXPLAIN ANTI-GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIANS TO ME
« Reply #72 on: August 09, 2012, 09:08:39 AM »
You're just saying that because of my NBA stats.

I think there is a major fundamental issue with a lot of studies of any kind of efficiency of government services. And there's even more with privatization. What are you comparing it to?

I mean, let's just take the hypothetical conservative/libertarian position of universal health care.

Universal access = everyone has it. Efficient!

But if you have to wait six months for stitches, is that efficient? How can you measure it?

If it's wait times, then you'll get pushed through as fast as possible, quality of a Burger King. If it's quality, now it's ten surf n' turfs for everyone which scarcity prevents. If it's both, then you have to outsource to Yum! Brands which gives them a profit incentive.

One of the contributors Reason has had the last year or so, and he's gotten savaged from the true believers, is Robert Poole and some others who are arguing basically that high speed rail is a fools errand and that it harms the poor and middle class because it destroys bus systems, etc. in favor of high speed rail that goes between high class districts. Essentially a conflict between one government service and another. We don't want them, but like you note there's a reason to prefer a "less bad" situation where common ground can be found for now. Similarly they've gone after the high priced medallions on taxis, licensing for interior decorators, etc.

And most people are just like meh to that stuff, they want BLOWJOBS OR GO AWAY. Or a chicken place with a bigoted CEO! Kelo got a similar meh. That stuff is frustrating, at least I can sorta rationalize the insanity that demands SWAT raids in the middle of the night ala the Objectivists I noted above.

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« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2012, 10:39:55 AM »
i really need to get around to reading this book by Ayn Rand you guys keep talking about, it sounds delicious :drool

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Re: SOMEONE EXPLAIN ANTI-GOVERNMENT LIBERTARIANS TO ME
« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2012, 10:41:08 AM »
Don't bother, there's a movie!

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« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2012, 11:16:45 AM »
oh cool, it looks like only part 1 is on netflix streaming and that the second one hasn't even been finished yet

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« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2012, 11:32:45 AM »
Anyone who advocates for the privatization of government services is a traitor. It's corporate socialism. It's a profit center that, since it is now privatized, the citizens have NO say in how it's run anymore.
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« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2012, 11:38:09 AM »
Using the state to grant monopoly power to a private entity is not libertarianism.

I assumed when discussing privatization with Green Shinobi we meant cutting ties, not setting up fascism.

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« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2012, 11:41:44 AM »
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« Reply #79 on: August 09, 2012, 11:57:29 AM »
This is the how the plot from "Do the Right Thing 2" gets started.
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« Reply #80 on: August 09, 2012, 11:59:38 AM »
Using the state to grant monopoly power to a private entity is not libertarianism.

I assumed when discussing privatization with Green Shinobi we meant cutting ties, not setting up fascism.

My comment wasn't directed at anyone specifically.
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« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2012, 11:09:41 PM »
benji, I have a few questions, a few I've mentioned in this thread already. I'm not saying you support these positions, maybe you do, maybe you don't, but you could probably give me some insight on how some libertarians may think about these things. Tell me, as someone who's a working class dirty librul, what the incentive is for me to support something like:

-Eliminating the EPA and FDA
-Eliminating the minimum wage and various worker protections
-Cutting spending on SS and Medicare when (assuming it's still around in another 40ish years) I'll be using and needing it at some point?
-Seriously limiting my ability to sue a doctor if he somehow fucks things up.

I have some more that I can't think of at the moment.
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« Reply #82 on: August 10, 2012, 11:14:44 PM »
well, i ASSUME the answer is "because the government can't pay for these things without taking from rich people"
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« Reply #83 on: August 14, 2012, 04:15:44 PM »
She just sent me a link to mises and said she identifies with being voluntaryist
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« Reply #84 on: August 14, 2012, 04:28:18 PM »
What's she think of the Sovereign Citizens movement?
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« Reply #85 on: August 14, 2012, 04:43:53 PM »
She just sent me a link to mises and said she identifies with being voluntaryist

So she believe that slave owners should have been allowed to decide on their own whether or not they wanted to keep having slaves or to give blacks rights?
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« Reply #86 on: August 14, 2012, 05:01:13 PM »
Haven't asked that, but since she's black I'm dreading the answer.
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« Reply #87 on: August 14, 2012, 05:07:54 PM »
Jesus, between this and Shenmue you really are a masochist
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« Reply #88 on: August 14, 2012, 05:20:27 PM »
No no, I called it quits but we're still friends.
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« Reply #89 on: August 15, 2012, 09:28:18 AM »
i'm actually surprised there aren't more anti-government libertarians among the african-american community given the way that various state institutions have treated them over the past forever.
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« Reply #90 on: August 15, 2012, 10:25:42 PM »
Because even though the government has done bad things, the government has also done good thing like AA, social security;etc that people in the black community use for sustenance. Anti-government libertarnianism is a I got mine philosophy when a lot of blacks are for socially liberal welfare programs.
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« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2012, 04:22:39 AM »
Living in Australia i am on the fence on this.  Government run thing tend to be highly inefficient.  The bosses are never under threat of losing their jobs but the lowbie worker loses their job every chance they get.  They get into situations hwere there are like 3 bosses and like very few employees.  If it was a private business more people in meaningful postions would be there.

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« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2012, 10:16:44 PM »
  If it was a private business more people in meaningful postions would be there.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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« Reply #93 on: August 18, 2012, 06:02:44 AM »
Private business tends to cut out the fat and use the minimum amount of personnel.  Maybe my wording was borked.

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« Reply #94 on: August 18, 2012, 11:49:02 AM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh man, please work for a large corporation someday
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« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2012, 12:08:02 PM »
The way I like to put it is you ask someone where they'd prefer to eat, expecting to maybe haggle between Italian, Chinese, Mexican or whatever, only to be told in no uncertain terms that the only things they will eat are anthrax and tire rims, and if you don't agree then you hate freedom.
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« Reply #96 on: August 18, 2012, 05:12:47 PM »
Some dude on facebook completely derailed one of my posts by launching into a diatribe about how taxation is theft. He linked this article: http://mises.org/etexts/taxrob.asp

These motherfuckers. Their value system is so batshit insane it's impossible to have a normal conversation with them. It's like discussing stage drama with a Cardassian.


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« Reply #97 on: August 19, 2012, 12:05:22 AM »
wat
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« Reply #98 on: August 19, 2012, 10:17:31 AM »
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« Reply #99 on: August 19, 2012, 10:21:43 AM »
PT :lol

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« Reply #100 on: August 19, 2012, 12:08:59 PM »
My guess is that most of them work in corporate or private academic libraries and are just jealous of the public librarians.
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« Reply #101 on: August 20, 2012, 08:47:20 PM »
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HIMU REGULATE THAT LIBERTOPIAN FUCKTARD BEFORE I RAGE ON HER
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« Reply #102 on: August 20, 2012, 09:36:20 PM »
yeah, himu, WHAT THE FUCK. she's completely BONKERS
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« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2012, 09:47:53 PM »
ahaaahhahaha
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« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2012, 09:48:25 PM »
that is NOT the same chick i'm talking about. THAT girl on my facebook has three kids and a fiancee.
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« Reply #105 on: August 20, 2012, 09:58:33 PM »
I think Himu defriended me.  How gauche!

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« Reply #106 on: August 20, 2012, 10:00:39 PM »
You've never been on my fb? ??? Send another friend request.
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« Reply #107 on: August 20, 2012, 10:02:36 PM »
Haha she has links to mises.org and lewrockwell.com on her fucking page himu JESUS CHRIST THIS IS LIKE HANGING OUT WITH THE EQUIVALENT OF SYNBIOS IT JUST ISN'T DONE
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« Reply #108 on: August 20, 2012, 10:04:16 PM »
Fortunately, I've set her straight on man's innate right to rape.  I think she wanted me to justify making fun of Ayn Rand and less sarcastic mocking of her, though.  TOO BAD, THIS WAS NOT THE INTERNET INSULTING YOU NEED, BUT THE ONE YOU DESERVE
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« Reply #109 on: August 20, 2012, 10:04:38 PM »
She's a friend of a friend in college. I've never even met her. I keep her around because it makes my fb "interesting".
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« Reply #110 on: August 20, 2012, 10:06:56 PM »
WE WERE NEVER FB FRIENDS, MANDARK
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« Reply #111 on: August 20, 2012, 10:14:18 PM »
She's a friend of a friend in college. I've never even met her. I keep her around because it makes my fb "interesting".

As you get older, you'll find "interesting" less, uh, interesting.  Which isn't to say that you should only surround yourself with people who agree with you 100%, but one day you'll realize that keeping a distinguished mentally-challenged pigeon around that shits everywhere as a pet because it's "interesting" only results in having shit all over your house. 

"But oh my, the PATTERNS of the shit are just so singular!"  Yeah, not buying it. 
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« Reply #112 on: August 20, 2012, 10:25:32 PM »
i just iced her from my friends list.

jesus christ
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« Reply #113 on: August 20, 2012, 10:47:05 PM »
i just iced her from my friends list.

jesus christ

Is it cause she's Jewish and you only need one token?  Is that it?

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« Reply #114 on: August 20, 2012, 10:56:18 PM »
Haha

No, she's black. Fuck she used the TAXES IS THEFT line that Yennifer used on me FUCK
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« Reply #115 on: August 20, 2012, 11:04:39 PM »
She is a fucking idiot. What does she do for a living?
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« Reply #116 on: August 20, 2012, 11:07:04 PM »
She sells insurance.
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« Reply #117 on: August 20, 2012, 11:07:52 PM »
I always miss the fun.

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« Reply #118 on: August 20, 2012, 11:08:12 PM »
She sells insurance.

So she's an idiot who couldn't do anything and needed a job. Gotcha.
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« Reply #119 on: August 20, 2012, 11:19:07 PM »
She sells insurance.

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