My 3DS XL thread - come join the fun!

[Himu]

Don't like the excuse it's for kids considering DQ is for kids as well!

[Positive Touch]

this thread is now worse than the gaf thread

mods quarantine plz

[Himu]

shut the fuck up taco

[Positive Touch]

reported for hate speech

[EmCeeGrammar]

Don't like the excuse it's for kids considering DQ is for kids as well!

Playing pokemon expecting difficulty is erroneous period.  When I play it I put some restrictions on myself to better enjoy the experience.

[Himu]

Don't like the excuse it's for kids considering DQ is for kids as well!

Playing pokemon expecting difficulty is erroneous period.  When I play it I put some restrictions on myself to better enjoy the experience.

Eh, I didn't say I EXPECTED difficulty.

In any case I picked Snivy because green is best, bitches.

[Himu]

Aaaahhhh. Good comparison.

[Tasty]

Pokemon's also for all ages, in the same way Mario is.

[Himu]

Let's talk about the eshop.

It is absolute shit.

This is the most barebones shop I have ever seen for a system out for a year and some change. Game Boy games for 4 dollars. Right. Fuck off, Nintendo. They didn't even have the audacity to put all of the snes/genesis/nes/turbografx;etc games on 3ds shop. That is beyond pathetic, considering even psp and vita support playstation classics. Never mind the fact Vita has been out for less than 3ds' whole year.

I'd love to support and buy fucking Final Fantasy III  (snes) or Gunstar Heroes on this bitch but noooooooooo. What in the fuck.

[archnemesis]

I'm not that offended by the price, but I'm not willing to invest much money when the downloads are tied to the physical console. If it's a longer game, like Final Fantasy Adventure or Link's Awakening, then $4 is fine.

[Himu]

What is Nintendo doing to make the eshop better?

[Himu]

What games? Oh right, they're bringing Guild01 titles, right?

[archnemesis]

That's right. At least one of the Guild01 games is already out in Europe.

[Himu]

Best 3ds game?

[Himu]

tbh the system is going to have a nice fall. Guild 01 games, Layton, Animal Crossing...I'd say that's solid.

Didn't see the new Animal Crossing trailer posted.



 

[archnemesis]

Have you completed Pushmo yet? The later levels are quite time consuming, or maybe I'm just stupid.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Let's talk about the eshop.

It is absolute shit.

This is the most barebones shop I have ever seen for a system out for a year and some change. Game Boy games for 4 dollars. Right. Fuck off, Nintendo. They didn't even have the audacity to put all of the snes/genesis/nes/turbografx;etc games on 3ds shop. That is beyond pathetic, considering even psp and vita support playstation classics. Never mind the fact Vita has been out for less than 3ds' whole year.

I'd love to support and buy fucking Final Fantasy III  (snes) or Gunstar Heroes on this bitch but noooooooooo. What in the fuck.

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[demi]

Get Sword of Hope 2, Himu

[bork]

Best 3ds game?

I couldn't get into this like the other musou games.  I hate being forced to use a generic main character and sets of other generals in the main campaign.

There's also a sequel that is Japan-only.  And a DW game too.  Koei seems to have no interest in releasing them outside Japan...guess Chronicles didn't sell well?

[Tasty]

Turned off animations in Pokeyman cause there ain't enough time on the subway. :'(

Game is blazing. Only slow part is the intro to the battle.

[bork]

Post the pokemans poop in the pokeymans thread.

[Tasty]

PokeMonHun sugoi desu ne.

[Himu]

andrex let's go where we're wanted

also, accept my friends request taco my name is naomi

[Tasty]

Oh I didn't register you. Hold on.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Oscar, what's your opinion on why the NA Virtual Console is sub-par? Are they dribbling out games to maximize revenue? Indifference? Perceived lack of demand? Difficulty persuading third-party publishers to participate?

[Joe Molotov]

I checked to see what the freebie was from Club Nintendo and it was Urban Champion. I got it, but damn this game sucks. Why would they bother putting this crap on VC when there's a million better things?

[Rusty Shackleford]

I checked to see what the freebie was from Club Nintendo and it was Urban Champion. I got it, but damn this game sucks. Why would they bother putting this crap on VC when there's a million better things?

Oh man, you've never played Urban Champion before? Terrible, isn't it? I remember I got it as a kid in the NES days and thought it was fantastic Games sure have gotten better.

[Himu]

Every time I open up my 3ds clam shell, I have an urge to play Pokemon.

ANDREX

[Joe Molotov]

I checked to see what the freebie was from Club Nintendo and it was Urban Champion. I got it, but damn this game sucks. Why would they bother putting this crap on VC when there's a million better things?

Oh man, you've never played Urban Champion before? Terrible, isn't it? I remember I got it as a kid in the NES days and thought it was fantastic Games sure have gotten better.

I don't understand why Nintendo doesn't have the decency to be ashamed of it. This isn't a "3D Classic".

[Tasty]

Every time I open up my 3ds clam shell, I have an urge to play Pokemon.

ANDREX

I wish the 3DS XL didn't have that completely pointless semi-open hinge state. Sounds like I'm using castanets every time I open and close it, it's embarrassing on the subway.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I checked to see what the freebie was from Club Nintendo and it was Urban Champion. I got it, but damn this game sucks. Why would they bother putting this crap on VC when there's a million better things?

Oh man, you've never played Urban Champion before? Terrible, isn't it? I remember I got it as a kid in the NES days and thought it was fantastic Games sure have gotten better.

I don't understand why Nintendo doesn't have the decency to be ashamed of it. This isn't a "3D Classic".

They should make it part of a new "3D Onion Belt" series.

[Himu]

3ds xl feels kinda too big for my wee small girly hands. My right hand cramps up sometimes when playing it.

[Himu]

[Owl-faced Wizard]

Have you caught a Whimsicott yet, Stringer?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Oscar, what's your opinion on why the NA Virtual Console is sub-par? Are they dribbling out games to maximize revenue? Indifference? Perceived lack of demand? Difficulty persuading third-party publishers to participate?

My opinion, for whatever it's worth (not much given how wrong I usually am, haha), is that there are a few things coming into play. 

First, the Virtual Console on the Wii in NA showed very strong sales initially but then fell off very badly very quickly.  Some say that would be because Nintendo stopped giving it proper attention, but the sales fell off well before Nintendo stopped giving a fuck, so it's likely the other way around.  Anyway, the lack of long-term sales likely hasn't escaped the notice of everyone involved, which probably lowered motivation for the 3DS VC.  It wasn't like that in Japan.  The VC enjoyed pretty solid sales throughout the life of the console, probably because in the last generation Japan went on a major retro-kick thanks to the popularity of Game Center CX and the Famicom generation starting to hit their mid-life crises.

Second, some key third parties are proving to be pretty gunshy.  I have a feeling Capcom saw poor returns on Mega Man GB and Gargoyle's Quest in NA, because despite releasing quite a lot in Japan, they've pretty much stopped doing anything outside Japan.

Third, Nintendo are definitely pacing their own releases to maximize sales and value.  Part of that is because some of their titles are virtually non-salable when their better titles are sitting on the virtual shelf next to them.  Part of that is probably because the reduced third party interest means Nintendo is trying to plan out how to support the thing on their own.  The lack of GBA (and probably SNES as well), I'm willing to attribute to Nintendo not being satisfied with their emulators in their present state.  They were really fussy about that on the Wii VC, so it's probably the same here.  Judging by the ambassador GBA games, their GBA emulator is nowhere near the standards they had on Wii VC emulators.

Overall, though, it's about money.  If VC made more money, more parties would be interested, up to and including Nintendo.  It doesn't, and I don't think that really should surprise anyone.  Probably 95% of the GB's library has been rendered valueless thanks to years of emulation and cheap alternatives on smartphones.

Are the VC sales figures broken out or do they have to be inferred through personnel/company statements?

[Rusty Shackleford]

I take it you've been around long enough to develop said connections, eh? Well thanks for your insight. I always wondered why we didn't get a fraction of the  Japanese VC content. It's a shame, because 5 generations of handheld gaming on the 3DS was so enticing when it was announced.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

Oscar, what's your opinion on why the NA Virtual Console is sub-par? Are they dribbling out games to maximize revenue? Indifference? Perceived lack of demand? Difficulty persuading third-party publishers to participate?

Second, some key third parties are proving to be pretty gunshy.  I have a feeling Capcom saw poor returns on Mega Man GB and Gargoyle's Quest in NA, because despite releasing quite a lot in Japan, they've pretty much stopped doing anything outside Japan.

I'll be sad if Capcom doesn't release Metal Walker for VC.  One of the hidden gems on the OG Game Boy (which is one of the more underrated platforms, along with Saturn and PC Engine).

[Tasty]

isn't the vc basically free money for these companies

"here's a rom we had sitting on a dusty hard drive"

"ok, here's some money"

Yeah yeah re-rating frees or whatever...

[Rusty Shackleford]

Oscar, what's your opinion on why the NA Virtual Console is sub-par? Are they dribbling out games to maximize revenue? Indifference? Perceived lack of demand? Difficulty persuading third-party publishers to participate?

Second, some key third parties are proving to be pretty gunshy.  I have a feeling Capcom saw poor returns on Mega Man GB and Gargoyle's Quest in NA, because despite releasing quite a lot in Japan, they've pretty much stopped doing anything outside Japan.

I'll be sad if Capcom doesn't release Metal Walker for VC.  One of the hidden gems on the OG Game Boy (which is one of the more underrated platforms, along with Saturn and PC Engine).

I'd never heard of Metal Walker before. Billiard-style pokemon. Interesting.

[demi]

Get Sword of Hope!!111

[Rusty Shackleford]

Get Sword of Hope!!111

I had that as a kid. That and Final Fantasy Adventure, which needs a VC release yesterday. You know what other game needs a VC release? Crystalis. Not the godawful GBC one, the glorious NES version.

[Tasty]

Man Nintendo should really pay for all those fees.

They should also not bone indie devs over with profit minimum's, but apparently that's been solved with the eShop so who knows, maybe they'll fix the VC thing too. Seems like a stupid thing to let go to waste, I can say that I certainly consider Wii's most notable achievement being the introduction of the Virtual Console.

Also, I get Square's strategy but after all this time it seems kinda dumb. Not a huge fan of their games so it works out for me, though. Much harder to bear has been Capcom's stuff, but over the past two years they finally put X and X2 on VC so I'll call it even.

[Tasty]

I know Nintendo takes a similar stance and that's precisely why I find the VC such a triumph.

Except for YI. Until that lands, the VC will forever be lacking.

[Tasty]

Huh, apparently Nintendo sells 3DS XL charge cradles directly through their store. http://goo.gl/7xW4R So bought.

[Takao]

I've noticed that practically all the PSone Classics on PSN are published by Sony, even the games that are third party and were initially released under a different publisher. Oscar, do you know if SCE brunts the ratings, and testing costs in those cases?

[bork]

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added myself to the list

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmqeniHTSL2LdF9tUk9QcjVPdEZGbk8tUEdZTHZYR1E&rm=full#gid=0

If you see that my mii is a girl don't get freaked out, I"m working issues out

Added everyone who wasn't already on my list...only Andrex seems to have not added everyone else.  TSK TSK

[Rusty Shackleford]

No.  Re-rating fees are often higher than what lesser-known games make on the VC, for one thing.  For another thing, they can't just submit a ROM to Nintendo and call it a day.  It has to go through testing/cert just like everything else, which costs more money. 

And in the case of the big, famous titles, companies have to balance the potential income versus devaluing the game by putting it at Nintendo's mandated prices.  That's why you're more likely to see SEGA games come quickly (as they've devalued the Genesis catalog into the ground via numerous cheap collections) than Square-Enix (who like to re-release their old games at near-full prices and even spit in the face of the App Store's economics).

I had no idea ESRB ratings were so costly! Are we talking in the $50000~$100000 range or something?

[Fifstar]

I think you're greatly overestimating sale numbers for "lesser-known games".

[Owl-faced Wizard]

Yeah, judging by the number of reviews on some of the game boy stuff, we are talking comitragically low.  Balloon Kid is one of the minor gems in the Nintendo catalog and that didn't sell for shit.  I can't imagine what something like, say, Quarth would be doing.  Unless it's Mario or Zelda people don't give an assfuck.

[Tasty]

No.  Re-rating fees are often higher than what lesser-known games make on the VC, for one thing.  For another thing, they can't just submit a ROM to Nintendo and call it a day.  It has to go through testing/cert just like everything else, which costs more money. 

And in the case of the big, famous titles, companies have to balance the potential income versus devaluing the game by putting it at Nintendo's mandated prices.  That's why you're more likely to see SEGA games come quickly (as they've devalued the Genesis catalog into the ground via numerous cheap collections) than Square-Enix (who like to re-release their old games at near-full prices and even spit in the face of the App Store's economics).

I had no idea ESRB ratings were so costly! Are we talking in the $50000~$100000 range or something?

$800 fee for development costs under $250,000
$4,000 fee for development costs over $250,000

[Tasty]

4253 4897 8210

added myself to the list

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AmqeniHTSL2LdF9tUk9QcjVPdEZGbk8tUEdZTHZYR1E&rm=full#gid=0

If you see that my mii is a girl don't get freaked out, I"m working issues out

Added everyone who wasn't already on my list...only Andrex seems to have not added everyone else.  TSK TSK

Sorry it's just I can't back out to the main menu without having to save. But I'll add y'all in the next hour or so.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I think you're greatly overestimating sale numbers for "lesser-known games".

  Sure am! I've never really followed sales closely. But Andrex's prices for ratings...wow. I had no idea sales figures could be so low as to make $4000 (or even $800!) untenable for publishers to put stuff on VC. Then again, could there be a dilemma where publishers see low sales for terrible games and take that as a sign that better games wouldn't sell either?

[Tasty]

Added everyone! Tako hasn't added me back even though he was in the first three I registered. :'(

[Himu]

"sml2 > oscar"

[Himu]

omg the expert mode of songs and chaos shrine owns. THEARTRHYTHM

Never thought I'd get a good 25th anniv gift for Final Fantasy but here we are

[Tasty]

"sml2 > oscar"

Lol I forgot about that, guess I should update it.

[Takao]

don't feel bad, he hasn't added me back either

probably salty about vita!

I just haven't turned on my 3DS in a while. I should've grabbed Kingdom Hearts with a trade in deal or something since I've maybe only used the thing for an hour in the past 3 months. I'll add you guys sometime tonight.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Any credence to the R/S/E remake rumors?

[Tasty]

Any credence to the R/S/E remake rumors?

Probably not.

But that doesn't mean they won't happen eventually.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Well here's hoping! I really enjoyed Leafgreen and it sounds like some of the inventory and battle changes you mentioned in BW2 would really benefit Emerald.