Author Topic: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop? (Read 34261 times)

Momo · « **Reply #60 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:37:41 PM »

meh after edit my reply makes no sense

Himu · « **Reply #61 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:39:41 PM »

I must say, that I dislike the idea of the store and as a budding pc gamer, I don't like the implications.

huckleberry · « **Reply #62 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:41:35 PM »

Quote from: Momo on October 26, 2012, 12:37:02 PM

Quote from: Arde0 on October 26, 2012, 12:23:59 PM
fuck it....

liking 8 so far....now i know why reviewers docked the store even though the os is so new. the apps that are in there are fucking shit.
Never owned an xbox?

sorry about that....figured the bitching about ads will fall on deaf ears. i fucking hate advertising and it makes my eye twitch when people act like its no big deal so i try to keep the hate to myself.

Tasty · « **Reply #63 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:42:32 PM »

How Stella got her Google back, mofos.

Himu · « **Reply #64 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:46:04 PM »

To be fair, Arde0, I haven't used win 8. But on xbox the ads are mostly just ways to generate news on what is new on xbl. I don't take them as ads so much as I take them as "hey, check out what you can do on xbox live now" it's not like they're trying to make you buy a car with a car ad or something, they're very specific to the exact service you're using.

Himu · « **Reply #65 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:47:29 PM »

Quote from: Andrex on October 26, 2012, 12:42:32 PM

How Stella got her Google back, mofos.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #66 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:47:58 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 26, 2012, 12:39:41 PM

I must say, that I dislike the idea of the store and as a budding pc gamer, I don't like the implications.

I must say that now that I've actually used the product the whining from the usual pc crowd is overblown as usual. You still can do everything you use to do on the desktop as before relating to games. It eliminated nothing. Nothing has changed. All it does it put in a microsoft app store/xbox live integration kinda layer situation which will either fall or stand on the quality of the products they put in place. It does nothing to hurt steam from what I've seen so far. In a way its widgets taken to its next logical conclusion step.

I will say that from a business/office perspective I would much prefer windows 7. Much cleaner and to the metal by comparison. For average joe sixpack its probably a push. It's something that probably makes things a little easier but honestly not by that much especially if they are already use to windows 7.

Himu · « **Reply #67 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:55:19 PM »

But that's exactly the problem: if microsoft introduces an app store with xbl games, profiles, friends lists, and all of this comes with win 8 prepackaged that completely undercuts the other services and they'll have to find other ways to do their services. It's like going third party on a Nintendo console now. THAT is the issue, not that you won't be able to run pc games. It is hardly overblown, and they have a reason to be mad; microsoft just butt fucked the pc gaming status quo and now they'll have to finds to go around that.

huckleberry · « **Reply #68 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:56:19 PM »

definitely overblown.....the xbox/app store integration is fine with me. steam and origin still work exactly like they did before.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #69 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:58:05 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 26, 2012, 12:55:19 PM

But that's exactly the problem: if microsoft introduces an app store with xbl games, profiles, friends lists, that completely undercuts the other services and they'll have to find other ways to do their services. It's like going third party on a Nintendo console now. THAT is the issue, not that you won't be able to run pc games. It is hardly overblown, and they have a reason to be mad; microsoft just butt fucked the pc gaming status quo and now they'll have to finds to go around that.

You're completely overblowing the situation imo which is separate debate from whether Microsoft has a right to do what they want with their own fucking os anyway. But I'll digress as I think the argument is ultimately boring. Steam has not been "butt fucked". It will keep on churning along and going what it does as will other desktop apps. There will also be these metro apps in the ecosystem. No reason to act like the sky is falling.

Himu · « **Reply #70 on:** October 26, 2012, 12:59:12 PM »

I don't find it overblown at all. Why use the other services if Microsofts basically put xbl on your desktop with all your xbl games accessible? From that perspective, I can see why some pc developers are worried, even if I think it's awesome I'll be able to play my xbla games on my computer.

huckleberry · « **Reply #71 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:01:24 PM »

i want a steam metro app that launches in big picture mode. gives me wood thinking about it.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #72 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:05:30 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 26, 2012, 12:59:12 PM

I don't find it overblown at all. Why use the other services if Microsofts basically put xbl on your desktop with all your xbl games accessible?

I know right. Because nobody uses Chrome right and every PC user in the world uses internet explorer and bing and nobody currently uses Steam or other digital distribution services. It's all just going to disappear in a year. The end is nigh!

There is a reasonable worry to have with the idea of MS monopolies in certain cases. Imo this is the not the one to necessarily get your panties in a bunch about. When they actively take away a service you had or make it nearly impossible to use that's when you can put on your worry hat. This metro thing is not going to replace desktop apps. Certainly not as implemented currently in Windows 8. I can safely be Nostradamus on this one.

Himu · « **Reply #73 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:18:56 PM »

I never said that dd services would be gone in a year. You are injecting hyperbole that never existed. All I said was that I understand that this will change the way some developers and dd services do their business, even if only slightly. You're acting like it will have zero impact; it will. How much impact is up to debate, but I don't see what's wrong with having a dialogue about it. Your Microsoft colors are showing, Stoney. Not all people who want to discuss shit are prone to hyperbole. What you're suggesting was never even hinted in this conversation, dude.

Himu · « **Reply #74 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:24:25 PM »

Stoney: opinion on if this article is overblown?

http://kotaku.com/5936535/windows-8-is-not-good-for-gamers

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #75 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:27:28 PM »

Yeah. I know butt fucked is such a neutral term.

I'll drop it because truthfully I don't give a shit. I don't think Windows 8 is some amazing thing. I don't even recommend people buy it unless they like xbox live or something. So if my MS color are flying then I'm doing a pretty piss poor job of it.

There are plenty of reasons to not like this os or prefer Windows 7. I just completely disagree with you and a lot of the arguments I've seen strike me as overblown.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 26, 2012, 01:24:25 PM

Stoney: opinion on if this article is overblown?

http://kotaku.com/5936535/windows-8-is-not-good-for-gamers

If the fundamental argument is that the metro ecosystem is a huge issue that will ultimately doom or severely cripple gaming on the PC then yes. Including some of the very things that Gabe Newell himself has said then yes also. If the argument is more along the lines of the flaws of trying to graft a tablet interface into a desktop interface or other actual os issues then less so.

People aren't idiots when it comes to what they want out of things. If Metro apps provide uses that people find useful they will be bought and used. If they don't people will buy desktop apps. And some people will fall in the middle because its not just either or. The world doesn't have to be either or. It's a scale.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #76 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:29:20 PM »

Did anyone upgrade yet?

PS: I dont think you can even use your XBL points at this moment through W8 or mobile so the integration is still a long way off. Im more excited about better performance and great things like the People app.

MCD · « **Reply #77 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:33:24 PM »

Will upgrade after a week. Kinda busy to bother now.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #78 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:37:00 PM »

How long is the 29.99 deal going for?

Reb · « **Reply #79 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:43:11 PM »

Januari first.

Robo · « **Reply #80 on:** October 26, 2012, 01:44:12 PM »

What are the Windows 8 achievements?

But seriously, though: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/minesweeper-w8/achievements/

Rusty Shackleford · « **Reply #81 on:** October 26, 2012, 03:36:52 PM »

For those who've tried 8, is there a compatibility mode for legacy apps like the XP mode for 7? How well does it run DOSBOX, early XP programs, etc...?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #82 on:** October 26, 2012, 04:00:29 PM »

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on October 26, 2012, 03:36:52 PM

For those who've tried 8, is there a compatibility mode for legacy apps like the XP mode for 7? How well does it run DOSBOX, early XP programs, etc...?

Haven't tried but there is compatibility mode.

http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-8/run-a-program-in-compatibility-mode-in-windows-8/

cool breeze · « **Reply #83 on:** October 26, 2012, 04:09:46 PM »

8 is in a weird place where Microsoft made 7 so good that I'm completely satisfied with what I have. I'll move onto 8 when I have a reason to, like I upgrade my PC or get a touch screen monitor.

Rusty Shackleford · « **Reply #84 on:** October 26, 2012, 04:34:32 PM »

Quote from: fryinghigh on October 26, 2012, 04:09:46 PM

8 is in a weird place where Microsoft made 7 so good that I'm completely satisfied with what I have. I'll move onto 8 when I have a reason to, like I upgrade my PC or get a touch screen monitor.

TBH I'm still running XP. Sure hope I'm not the only holdout on the board. It runs just fine for me but 7 does look good.

huckleberry · « **Reply #85 on:** October 26, 2012, 05:13:55 PM »

some apps won't scroll with the mouse wheel at all...fucking annoying.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #86 on:** October 26, 2012, 05:14:20 PM »

Quote from: fryinghigh on October 26, 2012, 04:09:46 PM

8 is in a weird place where Microsoft made 7 so good that I'm completely satisfied with what I have. I'll move onto 8 when I have a reason to, like I upgrade my PC or get a touch screen monitor.

I think a lot of people feel this way. It sort of feels similar to macs once that os hit such a high level that later small incremental improvements didn't really matter to me anymore. Also its sort of a weird time because of how the desktops are trying to find their way in a tablet world all of a sudden.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #87 on:** October 26, 2012, 10:37:50 PM »

What are the best deals for a Win 8 upgrade for a student? I think I'm jumping on this since I think it's sexy.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #88 on:** October 26, 2012, 11:14:23 PM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on October 26, 2012, 10:37:50 PM

What are the best deals for a Win 8 upgrade for a student? I think I'm jumping on this since I think it's sexy.

Do you have a valid windows 7 key? If so you can just fib about the pc you've purchased and use this link: http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US It will cost you a cool $14.99 and you can do a clean install if you use media.

ManaByte · « **Reply #89 on:** October 27, 2012, 01:13:02 AM »

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/180193/Windows_8_arrives_amid_serious_concerns_from_PC_game_devs.php#.UItdXLSPs_i

Himu · « **Reply #90 on:** October 27, 2012, 01:57:26 AM »

Quote from: ManaByte on October 27, 2012, 01:13:02 AM

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/180193/Windows_8_arrives_amid_serious_concerns_from_PC_game_devs.php#.UItdXLSPs_i

Overblown. Hasn't changed shit. Not worth talking about.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #91 on:** October 27, 2012, 02:14:03 AM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on October 26, 2012, 10:37:50 PM

What are the best deals for a Win 8 upgrade for a student? I think I'm jumping on this since I think it's sexy.

Came across this too. So check it out

http://www.onthehub.com/#back-to-school-discounts-on-windows-8-download

mjemirzian · « **Reply #92 on:** October 27, 2012, 02:45:00 AM »

I might run Windows 8 if I can axe the start screen and bring back the start menu.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #93 on:** October 27, 2012, 02:46:53 AM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 02:45:00 AM

I might run Windows 8 if I can axe the start screen and bring back the start menu.

The old start menu is trash

archnemesis · « **Reply #94 on:** October 27, 2012, 02:57:03 AM »

The start menu has outlived its purpose anyway. It's faster to just search for what you need or to use keyboard shortcuts.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #95 on:** October 27, 2012, 03:06:37 AM »

Quote from: G The Resurrected on October 26, 2012, 11:14:23 PM

Quote from: Shaka Khan on October 26, 2012, 10:37:50 PM
What are the best deals for a Win 8 upgrade for a student? I think I'm jumping on this since I think it's sexy.

Do you have a valid windows 7 key? If so you can just fib about the pc you've purchased and use this link: http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US It will cost you a cool $14.99 and you can do a clean install if you use media.

Okay, this worked. Thanks!

If I run into any problems, I'm gonna sue that shill Prole.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #96 on:** October 27, 2012, 03:32:05 AM »

Quote from: D3RANG3D on October 27, 2012, 02:46:53 AM

The old start menu is trash

Nice shitpost, bro.

Quote from: archnemesis on October 27, 2012, 02:57:03 AM

The start menu has outlived its purpose anyway. It's faster to just search for what you need or to use keyboard shortcuts.

I have 100+ windows programs categorized into subfolders on the start menu, not counting games. The start screen can't replace that functionality. I don't need to remember the names of all those apps in case I want to run one from the start menu, and the start menu already has 'search' built into it to find apps that way. There are no sub folders on the start screen or ways to tag, label, or group programs as far as I know. I don't like having to use the keyboard every time I want to find or sort through apps, either. It's a big mess like someone's desktop covered with icons. Not to mention the hideous color scheme. The start menu isn't perfect, but I don't see how the start screen replaces its functionality.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #97 on:** October 27, 2012, 04:24:52 AM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 03:32:05 AM

Quote from: D3RANG3D on October 27, 2012, 02:46:53 AM
The old start menu is trash
Nice shitpost, bro.

Quote from: archnemesis on October 27, 2012, 02:57:03 AM
The start menu has outlived its purpose anyway. It's faster to just search for what you need or to use keyboard shortcuts.
I have 100+ windows programs categorized into subfolders on the start menu, not counting games. The start screen can't replace that functionality. I don't need to remember the names of all those apps in case I want to run one from the start menu, and the start menu already has 'search' built into it to find apps that way. There are no sub folders on the start screen or ways to tag, label, or group programs as far as I know. I don't like having to use the keyboard every time I want to find or sort through apps, either. It's a big mess like someone's desktop covered with icons. Not to mention the hideous color scheme. The start menu isn't perfect, but I don't see how the start screen replaces its functionality.

Nice Assmad bro

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #98 on:** October 27, 2012, 05:17:46 AM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 03:32:05 AM

I have 100+ windows programs categorized into subfolders on the start menu, not counting games.
The start screen can't replace that functionality. I don't need to remember the names of all those apps in case I want to run one from the start menu, and the start menu already has 'search' built into it to find apps that way.

wow 100+, that is like a whole page and a half of Apps screen

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #99 on:** October 27, 2012, 05:38:37 AM »

I ended up getting a green (stuck?) pixel after upgrading to Win 8. If there's no easy fix then I will rage so hard. I'm a few minutes into the experience and I'm already regretting it!!!

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #100 on:** October 27, 2012, 05:44:05 AM »

Fixed it by gently rubbing the screen.

Easiest fix ever.

MCD · « **Reply #101 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:55:01 AM »

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/clean-install-windows-8-upgrade-media-144648

Gonna get an upgrade disc in an hour or so and blast my Windows 7 partition. I am really hoping that this will work. System Builder is $100 more expensive and it's ugly to boot. Fuck it.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #102 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:57:35 AM »

fuck, that $15 offer is too hard to resist. upgrading now - fingers crossed!

MCD · « **Reply #103 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:59:05 AM »

Read the article just in case, Positive.

And get Media Center back for free (limited time offer only): http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/feature-packs

Fifstar · « **Reply #104 on:** October 27, 2012, 08:02:07 AM »

Could get this for free via my university but I installed Windows 7 just 2 months ago and I don't really feel the need to switch now. What are the main advantages of Windows 8? It looks sexy, have to give that to Microsoft.

MCD · « **Reply #105 on:** October 27, 2012, 08:05:59 AM »

Quote from: Fifstar on October 27, 2012, 08:02:07 AM

Could get this for free via my university but I installed Windows 7 just 2 months ago and I don't really feel the need to switch now. What are the main advantages of Windows 8? It looks sexy, have to give that to Microsoft.

FASTER

STRONGER

MORE POWERFUL

No really, just read this and see if it is worth it or not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

Positive Touch · « **Reply #106 on:** October 27, 2012, 08:08:14 AM »

meh, dont feel like i need a clean install. will burn the iso to a disc tho, just so i can have it handy. and actually, fifstar reminded me of something - i wonder if i can get this upgrade EVEN CHEAPER thru the university? because free or $5 is always better than $15.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #107 on:** October 27, 2012, 08:35:16 AM »

Just bought it for 15

This is gonna be so sexay, I was deciding between getting W8 or Mists of Pandaria, but this is more exciting

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #108 on:** October 27, 2012, 11:22:12 AM »

First impressions:

-Looks helluv sexy
-Why does W8 throw me out of metro when I want to surf the web? There should be a metro native IE app or something. It looks horrible to switch to desktop for this!
-Can't sign in to Xbox Live somehow, apparently they also let me know that my windows region is different from my xboxlive region???
-Can't update Music App
-Photos App doesnt reckognize any pictures in the pictures library
-Steam needs an APP asap
-How do you close apps? when I shift tab I can see them all runnning still wtf, coincidentally how do you keep em open?!

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #109 on:** October 27, 2012, 11:52:43 AM »

Microsoft has the audacity to charge 1.19 for FILE EXPLORER.

I have a feeling I was cheated into buying half an OS

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #110 on:** October 27, 2012, 11:53:10 AM »

Also I got my first BSOD already

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #111 on:** October 27, 2012, 11:58:17 AM »

there is a native ie10, wth you doin'

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #112 on:** October 27, 2012, 11:59:22 AM »

? There's Metro IE (which they just call "IE") and desktop IE. By default links open in Metro IE unless you open them from a desktop app, in which case they open in desktop IE. You can change this by going to desktop IE -> gear button -> Internet Options -> Programs (or go to start screen -> type "links" -> click "Settings" on the right).

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How do you close apps? when I shift tab I can see them all runnning still wtf, coincidentally how do you keep em open?!

They're actually not running, the OS manages their lifetime, suspends them while their offscreen and hibernates them if you're low on memory, so you normally shouldn't have to close them. If you want to close them anyway because they're misbehaving or to clean out your alt-tab list or whatever, you can use one of the following methods:

* Drag the mouse from the top edge of the screen (the cursor should become a hand) to the bottom
* Hit Alt-F4
* Right-click on one of the thumbnails in the switcher bar that appears when you swing the mouse around a left-hand corner, and click close (or just middle-click if you've got three buttons)

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #113 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:01:55 PM »

I don't see any IE app wtf where can I find it?

Im not kidding btw. I cant find it.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #114 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:04:14 PM »

There's not a tile with a big "e" on it? Wait, do you have something else as your default browser?

OK, this is fucked up, but the rule is that only the browser you set as default gets to have a "Metro" app. If you have Firefox or something as the default, you'll either have to set it to IE or wait for Firefox to release their own Metro version.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #115 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:07:36 PM »

Chrome.

But, I mean, I cant even find IE when I look at ALL apps. Its not in the store either.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #116 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:09:37 PM »

Yeah, it just won't appear unless you set it as your default. There should be a Metro version of Chrome now though?

MCD · « **Reply #117 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:10:35 PM »

Yup, I can happily confirm that you can fresh install using the retail upgrade boxes.

Posting from IE10 desktop. YAY.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #118 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:11:54 PM »

Nope.

I can't have two browsers in the metro look?

Thanks for helping Rec.

Himu · « **Reply #119 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:14:26 PM »

Lager, go here.

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/get-your-google-back.html

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Author Topic: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop? (Read 34261 times)