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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #540 on: January 01, 2013, 02:08:25 PM »
That's probably more than his actual viewership lulz.

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« Reply #541 on: January 01, 2013, 02:18:31 PM »
btw that deportation petition is now over 100,000 signatures, happy new year Piers!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-british-citizen-piers-morgan-attacking-2nd-amendment/prfh5zHD

That's probably almost as many signature as the petition to request Obama to self-deport for being a Kenyan citizen.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #542 on: January 01, 2013, 02:23:50 PM »
I'm guessing the point here is that if government can violate the second amendment, it can also violate the first amendment by deporting Piers over free speech? I will willingly accept that deal drew. Now hand over your guns
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #543 on: January 01, 2013, 02:52:00 PM »
you can pry them from my cold dead anoos

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1st amendment irony boogaloo thing is stupid, the first amendment also states the right of the people to petition the gubment, it's a catch 22.  the petition should state something something rabid cunt spreading misinformation twat shithead etc
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« Reply #544 on: January 01, 2013, 02:57:08 PM »
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1st amendment irony boogaloo thing is stupid, the first amendment also states the right of the people to petition the gubment, it's a catch 22.  the petition should state something something rabid cunt spreading misinformation twat shithead etc
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And you're certainly free to petition the government over hearing an opinion you don't like, just as they're free to ignore it because its stupid. You won't get sent to jail over that petition, though, which I suppose is nice gesture.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #545 on: January 01, 2013, 06:23:55 PM »
yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment. 


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« Reply #546 on: January 01, 2013, 06:25:29 PM »
A perfect document (that requires an entire branch of Government to suss out the meaning from it's poorly worded and out of date text).



you're a tard on this subject.  don't post anymore about it, please. thanks.

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« Reply #547 on: January 01, 2013, 06:26:51 PM »
yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment.

Our bicameral legislature appears to be working a-ok!   :american

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Seriously, you seem stupidly touchy on this.
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« Reply #548 on: January 01, 2013, 06:29:45 PM »
yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment.

Our bicameral legislature appears to be working a-ok!   :american

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Maybe if you guys weren't posting such nearsighted non-sense, I wouldn't be touchy about it.   

Those 27 people weren't worth the Constitution, sorry. 

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« Reply #549 on: January 01, 2013, 06:33:56 PM »
you can pry them from my cold dead anoos

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You don't have a first amendment right to successfully petition the government to deport someone who said something you don't like :rofl

If I see you on the street I'll beat your ass without a weapon and you wouldn't do anything, you petite muthafucka
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« Reply #550 on: January 01, 2013, 08:16:49 PM »
pickle you motherfucker, i can remember when you were just a smudge of a username that was up on the newest member thing for the longest time and now look at you.

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #551 on: January 01, 2013, 09:38:18 PM »
yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment.

Our bicameral legislature appears to be working a-ok!   :american

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Maybe if you guys weren't posting such nearsighted non-sense, I wouldn't be touchy about it.   

Those 27 people weren't worth the Constitution, sorry.

Can I get a number that is?  Also, do you HONESTLY think that motherfucker is a perfect document that can do no wrong?  Seriously, who's being a fucking tard now.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #552 on: January 01, 2013, 10:49:51 PM »
I never understood this obsession you gringos have with this fucking piece of paper, almost every country change their constitution to keep up with the times but not the most powerful nation in the world, little timmy gotta learn how to use a M4 to hunt ducks ::)
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« Reply #553 on: January 01, 2013, 10:51:20 PM »
This thread is awful.

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« Reply #554 on: January 01, 2013, 11:13:17 PM »
fucking blame drew then
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #555 on: January 02, 2013, 12:53:02 AM »
A perfect document (that requires an entire branch of Government to suss out the meaning from it's poorly worded and out of date text).



you're a tard on this subject.  don't post anymore about it, please. thanks.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #556 on: January 02, 2013, 08:58:49 AM »

yes, lets throw the whole Constitution under the bus over an issue with one amendment.

Our bicameral legislature appears to be working a-ok!   :american

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Maybe if you guys weren't posting such nearsighted non-sense, I wouldn't be touchy about it.   

Those 27 people weren't worth the Constitution, sorry.

Can I get a number that is?  Also, do you HONESTLY think that motherfucker is a perfect document that can do no wrong?  Seriously, who's being a fucking tard now.



um, the document itself doesn't do anything right or wrong.  You might want to read up about how it's actually been used over the course of history.  Specificity would be a very bad thing.  It has helped a lot more than it has hurt and is probably the best set of general guidelines and inalienable rights a person can get.  Please don't call out a couple of rough spots and act like the whole document is a broken proposition...the number of necessary changes and appeals is pretty shockingly low, all things considered.  We'd be completely fucked without it. 

The number is whatever it takes to get people to agree that the amendment should be repealed.  It's not 27, it's not the sum total of everyone who has been killed by a gun in this country.   




A perfect document (that requires an entire branch of Government to suss out the meaning from it's poorly worded and out of date text).



you're a tard on this subject.  don't post anymore about it, please. thanks.
Jesus Christ. Go to xhamster like the rest of us.


that's not even close to how that joke worked. 

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #557 on: January 02, 2013, 09:00:24 AM »
Yet it's funny again because thats not at all how it worked.


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« Reply #558 on: January 02, 2013, 09:11:05 AM »
My apologies for disrupting the slam dunk "GUNS R BAD, DREW" circle jerk.

ok, lets repeal the second amendment.  then you guys will have no problem volunteering to go to back-ass Mississippi to reclaim Joe Bob + his militia's guns, right?   Or should we send the army in to take them by force if he doesn't listen to perfect logic? 

Maybe all the "ban teh guns" people, as well as all the foreigners who comment yet don't have the first clue as to how U.S. law + culture work together, can be the first to go in and figure out how to take guns away from people who believe they need guns to keep the government from taking their guns away.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #559 on: January 02, 2013, 09:14:45 AM »
Don do you believe that the second amendment bans any restrictions on firearms?

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« Reply #560 on: January 02, 2013, 09:28:18 AM »
No, not at all.  Like I said, constitutional interpretation.  "Right to bear arms" doesn't specify anything in particular. 

It's one of those things we can't really take back.  You can ban ownership of certain kinds of guns after the fact, but that doesn't mean those guns are gonna get cleaned up off the streets...it just creates a stronger black market for them.  and someone who is gonna shoot up a bunch of people doesn't give a shit either way. 

It's not like slavery where there's a clear moral line and enforcement of the repeal was as simple as letting human beings go.  It's not like women's voting where you just grant the ability to vote to a certain group of people.  Guns can be hidden, they're commodities, they're weapons, and they were given to us in the constitution in case the government ever tried to become super oppressive.  It's a fucking mess of circumstances...which is why I think the best solution is better mental health awareness. 

All we can really do is hope that Joe Bob Back Ass Alabama's kids somehow have the brains to evolve a bit and make gun ownership so unpopular that a repeal can easily be done and law enforcement can focus on cracking down on guns on the black market.  Which will probably never happen.
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« Reply #561 on: January 02, 2013, 09:34:37 AM »
My apologies for disrupting the slam dunk "GUNS R BAD, DREW" circle jerk.

ok, lets repeal the second amendment.  then you guys will have no problem volunteering to go to back-ass Mississippi to reclaim Joe Bob + his militia's guns, right?   Or should we send the army in to take them by force if he doesn't listen to perfect logic? 

Maybe all the "ban teh guns" people, as well as all the foreigners who comment yet don't have the first clue as to how U.S. law + culture work together, can be the first to go in and figure out how to take guns away from people who believe they need guns to keep the government from taking their guns away.

Don, sit down, breathe deep, and have a drink.

I'm pretty sure Steve Contra etc are funnin' on the idea that the constitution is a timeless record of immutable truths, as decoded by the Ron Paul set, rather than suggesting we throw the whole thing out and revert to the feudal system.  Likewise, we have a few lulz on drew's expense cause he's just a goofy guy who posts dumb things, not cause we're ready to instantly confiscate every firearm on US soil.  Chill.

Or you can continue with the semi-coherent lashing out.  I'm not your boss.

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« Reply #562 on: January 02, 2013, 09:42:58 AM »
You don't have to ban all the guns, just the ones that make mass murder easier. You don't even have to take all the exising ones away, just force people to register them every year like you would a car.

The hassle and the expense will make Bubba think twice about keeping a small arsenal.

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« Reply #563 on: January 02, 2013, 11:20:00 AM »
My apologies for disrupting the slam dunk "GUNS R BAD, DREW" circle jerk.

ok, lets repeal the second amendment.  then you guys will have no problem volunteering to go to back-ass Mississippi to reclaim Joe Bob + his militia's guns, right?   Or should we send the army in to take them by force if he doesn't listen to perfect logic? 

Maybe all the "ban teh guns" people, as well as all the foreigners who comment yet don't have the first clue as to how U.S. law + culture work together, can be the first to go in and figure out how to take guns away from people who believe they need guns to keep the government from taking their guns away.

Don, sit down, breathe deep, and have a drink.

I'm pretty sure Steve Contra etc are funnin' on the idea that the constitution is a timeless record of immutable truths, as decoded by the Ron Paul set, rather than suggesting we throw the whole thing out and revert to the feudal system.  Likewise, we have a few lulz on drew's expense cause he's just a goofy guy who posts dumb things, not cause we're ready to instantly confiscate every firearm on US soil.  Chill.

Or you can continue with the semi-coherent lashing out.  I'm not your boss.



ok, i'll chill.   this is why breakfast is the most important meal...

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« Reply #564 on: January 02, 2013, 01:01:48 PM »
here's some crazy shit:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-01/news/chi-cops-city-ends-2012-with-506-homicides-a-16-percent-increase-over-2011-20130101_1_homicide-surge-homicide-toll-chicago-homicide-victims


guessing a healthy chunk of those are shootings. 


And hey, we kicked off 2013 with 15 fucking shootings yesterday.  3 of those died.  it's like no one gives a shit until the race line from south to north is crossed.  Every single day there's a handful of shootings on the south or west sides, but if some black kids rob a guy in the loop, it's mass hysteria, sky is falling shit.  People getting robbed in Lakeview (my neighborhood)?  Lock the doors, stay in, and wait for a police statement about how something is going to be done.

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #565 on: January 02, 2013, 01:25:38 PM »
My apologies for disrupting the slam dunk "GUNS R BAD, DREW" circle jerk.

ok, lets repeal the second amendment.  then you guys will have no problem volunteering to go to back-ass Mississippi to reclaim Joe Bob + his militia's guns, right?   Or should we send the army in to take them by force if he doesn't listen to perfect logic? 

Maybe all the "ban teh guns" people, as well as all the foreigners who comment yet don't have the first clue as to how U.S. law + culture work together, can be the first to go in and figure out how to take guns away from people who believe they need guns to keep the government from taking their guns away.

Don, sit down, breathe deep, and have a drink.

I'm pretty sure Steve Contra etc are funnin' on the idea that the constitution is a timeless record of immutable truths, as decoded by the Ron Paul set, rather than suggesting we throw the whole thing out and revert to the feudal system.  Likewise, we have a few lulz on drew's expense cause he's just a goofy guy who posts dumb things, not cause we're ready to instantly confiscate every firearm on US soil.  Chill.

Or you can continue with the semi-coherent lashing out.  I'm not your boss.
Pretty much this.  I was making fun of the whole "The Constitution is only 4,543 words and we have no idea understanding it" (a direct quote from a tea partier I had to suffer through) that has been going on for 4 years.
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« Reply #566 on: January 02, 2013, 01:55:50 PM »
got it, i came in the thread and went crazy without reading first.

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« Reply #567 on: January 02, 2013, 11:30:22 PM »
chalk up another child saved by a gun

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/20484812/2013/01/02/home-invasion-shot-and-killed-during-attemped-break-in

scumbag was climbing through the kids window when he got GOT

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The suspect, who has not been identified, is described as a 35-year-old white male. He later died at a hospital.

another example that a handgun will not drop a baddie like you see on TV, you always hear of burglars that get shot by pistol rounds bleeding out in the bushes down the block
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« Reply #568 on: January 03, 2013, 03:41:48 PM »
Should have had a rifle.




 - A South Carolina man has been charged in connection with the death of his eight-year-old son, whom he accidentally shot on Sunday night.
The State Law Enforcement Division has charged 30-year-old Justin Brueger of Bennettsville with unlawful conduct toward a child for the December 30 shooting death of 8-year-old Easton Brueger. Police claim Justin was cleaning his rifle when it accidentally discharged, hitting Easton in the stomach. The boy later died of his injuries at a local hospital.


 http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/340430#ixzz2GwmjxuSY


Or maybe a shotgun?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/2012/12/31/police-investigate-accidental-shooting-teen/W023xXWl1pFXIyHaUfPXRM/story.html

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The Lamoille County Sheriff’s office and the Vermont State Police are continuing to investigate the fatal shooting of a 17-year-old Johnson youth in his home by his younger brother.

The sheriff’s department says the preliminary investigation found that Jacob Lehouillier’s younger brother was trying to clean a shotgun when it fired, hitting Lehouillier in the chest.

The youth was taken to Copley Hospital in Morrisville after the 5:15 p.m. Friday incident where he was pronounced dead.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #569 on: January 03, 2013, 03:46:05 PM »
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« Reply #570 on: January 03, 2013, 03:48:54 PM »
chalk up another child saved by a gun

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/20484812/2013/01/02/home-invasion-shot-and-killed-during-attemped-break-in

scumbag was climbing through the kids window when he got GOT

It's a good thing that citizens can own firearms. I can't think of a single alternative scenario that doesn't end in the death of that child outside of the homeowner having a gun and killing the intrduer. Nope, not a one.

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #571 on: January 03, 2013, 03:53:38 PM »
chalk up another child saved by a gun

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/20484812/2013/01/02/home-invasion-shot-and-killed-during-attemped-break-in

scumbag was climbing through the kids window when he got GOT

Scumbag? From the descriptions it sounded like he was MENTALLY ILL. But I guess we need to focus on getting more guns in people's hands, rather than trying to get help for people with mental problems.
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« Reply #572 on: January 03, 2013, 04:01:18 PM »
Scumbag? From the descriptions it sounded like he was MENTALLY ILL. But I guess we need to focus on getting more guns in people's hands, rather than trying to get help for people with mental problems.

You're clearly missing the point. That child would obviously be dead if not for guns. Guns!

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« Reply #573 on: January 03, 2013, 04:01:59 PM »
We had a rash of kids getting a hold of parents' guns and either killing themselves, a sibling or another kid this past year in Washington state. Every single parent had the fucking book thrown at them both legally and via public opinion, except for one. Why did that one get off with a slap on the wrist? The dad was a cop. The gun was in their car and the kid found it and shot his sister.

Fuck. That guy SHOULD have lost his badge. He should know better than anyone else. Drives me nuts. Total hypocrisy of shaming the low income family whose kids get their gun, but the middle class cop was given nothing but sympathy (plus the cops did their own investigation and nothing was reported to the media for WEEKS).
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« Reply #574 on: January 03, 2013, 04:12:14 PM »
They should also be fined imo. If you don't lock your gun up and your kid shoots someone, you need to be hit with a big ass fine. In my experience, dumbass parents react best when their money is threatened due to stupid stuff their kid did/does.
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« Reply #576 on: January 03, 2013, 05:46:25 PM »
O hay, I can do this too!

http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2013-01-03/gun-pointed-babys-head-norcross-home-invasion

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21009485815223/child-hospitalized-injured-by-gunfire/

http://www.freep.com/article/20130102/NEWS01/130102066/hearing-set-for-man-whose-gun-shot-child?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CMichigan%20news%7Cs

Google Search: "child gun" --> News --> Date: Past 24 Hours

Tons of fun for the whole family, and every day is a brand new experience!

I can only assume that, somehow, all of these events could have been avoided had a responsible gun owner been nearby.

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« Reply #577 on: January 03, 2013, 08:22:55 PM »
O hay, I can do this too!

http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2013-01-03/gun-pointed-babys-head-norcross-home-invasion

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21009485815223/child-hospitalized-injured-by-gunfire/

http://www.freep.com/article/20130102/NEWS01/130102066/hearing-set-for-man-whose-gun-shot-child?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CMichigan%20news%7Cs

Google Search: "child gun" --> News --> Date: Past 24 Hours

Tons of fun for the whole family, and every day is a brand new experience!

I can only assume that, somehow, all of these events could have been avoided had a responsible gun owner been nearby.

Well, duh! He'd have shot the gun out of the kid's hand.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #578 on: January 03, 2013, 10:48:17 PM »
Eliminate public education and divert that money into buying gun safes and gun training for every American. It's the society we need.

The acquiring of a rifle will be the American Bat Mitzvah.



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« Reply #579 on: January 03, 2013, 11:42:25 PM »
Eliminate public education and divert that money into buying gun safes and gun training for every American. It's the society we need.

The acquiring of a rifle will be the American Bat Mitzvah.

That's Socialism.  :usacry
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« Reply #580 on: January 03, 2013, 11:51:12 PM »
Government spending (on poor people) is okay as long as it involves the military, guns and death.


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« Reply #581 on: January 06, 2013, 12:28:33 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/06/white-house-nra-gun-control-reforms

The Obama administration is reportedly preparing to confront the might of the National Rifle Association and its gun-supporting allies in Congress with a sweeping package of proposals for tighter firearms controls that would go beyond previous attempts to combat gun violence.

An article in the Washington Post claimed on Sunday that a White House taskforce led by the vice president, Joe Biden, is looking at a range of proposals that would beef up federal monitoring and checks on all gun sales, seek to improve systems to prevent mentally-ill people acquiring weapons and introduce new penalties for carrying guns near schools. The taskforce, which was set up in the wake of the 14 December Newtown school shooting, in which 20 children and six school staff were killed, is expected to present its proposals to President Obama later this month.

So far the post-Newtown debate has focused on a revival of the 1994 federal ban on military-style assault rifles that was steered through Congress by Biden and other leading Democrats. In order to push the ban through Congress, a 10-year time limit was added to the crime bill. It lapsed in 2004.

The Biden taskforce is known to be considering a proposal to reintroduce the ban, that would prevent new sales of a range of AR-15 semi-automatic weapons as well as impose an upper ceiling of 10 rounds per magazine in an attempt to reduce the ability of shooters to inflict enormous carnage in a short burst of violence. The shooting spree carried out by Adam Lanza at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown involved a Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle and lasted for less than 10 minutes.

But the Washington Post suggests that the taskforce is also minded to go considerably further than a revision of the assault weapons ban. In particular, Biden is taking a hard look at two of the most egregious weaknesses in the current system of gun controls in the US.

The first is the patchy system of background checks on buyers of guns. At present, anyone purchasing a gun from an authorised dealer has to go through a federal background check. However, if you buy a weapon from a private seller, operating on the internet or through gun shows, there is no such safeguard. The Biden taskforce is reported to be considering a move to close the private-seller loophole – a long-standing demand of gun control advocacy groups.

The second anomaly is the parlous state of national tracking systems to record and monitor the movement and use of weapons, in an attempt to prevent them falling into the hands of criminals and mentally ill people. A database operated by the FBI is notoriously patchy – while some states, such as New York, have contributed more than 100,000 names into the records, 19 states have offered fewer than 100 and Rhode Island has submitted none.

The gaps in the database make a mockery of the idea of national safeguards against the misuse of firearms. According to the New York Times, since 2005 more than 22,000 weapons have been bought by people who were later deemed to have been disqualified because of previous criminal behaviour or mental illness.

A proposal being reviewed by the Biden taskforce, the Washington Post says, would be to introduce a new modernized and comprehensive database to track the movement of guns under the auspices of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The White House is evidently aware that it is likely to face fierce opposition from the NRA, one of the most powerful lobby groups in the country, to any measures that it might introduce. So far the only idea offered by the NRA towards the debate has been the call from its executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, for armed guards to be placed in all schools.

Obama has signaled that he intends to move swiftly to introduce new controls, in the hope of riding on the wave of revulsion created by the Newtown shooting, before the nationwide sense of outrage dissipates. Last week he told the television programme Meet the Press: "I'd like to get it done in the first year. This is not something that I will be putting off. And, yes, it's going to be hard."

The Washington Post indicated that the White House is examining how it could use the president's executive powers to push through reforms – thus allowing the administration to bypass a potentially bruising battle with Congress. A majority of Republican members of Congress, as well as a substantial minority of Democrats, are closely aligned with the NRA.

The administration is also hoping to dilute the influence of the NRA by creating a wide alliance of support for reforms, particularly among traditional supporters of gun rights. Biden has already convened a high-level meeting of law enforcement leaders – in a clear bid to enlist their backing – including police chiefs and sheriffs' associations. He is in close contact with the team of gun control experts assembled by Michael Bloomberg, the New York mayor, who is a leading advocate of reform.

The administration is also focusing on retail outlets such as Wal-Mart as potential allies. The idea is to appeal to such retailers for support in closing the private-seller loophole on the grounds that it would financially benefit their businesses by redirecting trade in guns through them.
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« Reply #582 on: January 06, 2013, 12:47:49 PM »
It's nice to see that Obama is actually willing to do something a least marginally substantive, now let's see if he can actually get an traction.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #583 on: January 06, 2013, 04:01:28 PM »
I hope they don't tie it directly to a ban on assault weapons, which imo would sink the bill. Requiring background checks and closing gun show loopholes seem like more worthwhile battles to fight, plus some type of regulation on high capacity clips. I'd let Fienstein's AWB bill die - it's not going to pass the house, let's face it. And after that start going after illegal guns.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #584 on: January 08, 2013, 12:56:34 AM »
plus some type of regulation on regular capacity magazines.

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btw just received a response from Sherrod Brown's office, he was the only one to not only let me know that they recieved my email, but also followed up with a response.  and I quote:

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Dear Mr. Drewsy:

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the tragic shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.
 
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and loved ones grieving in the wake of this merciless and random act of violence. No words can describe our horror at the murder of these innocent children and their educators, just as words fail to express our gratitude for the heroism of those teachers and law enforcement officers who responded in the morning hours of December 14, 2012. The school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary demands that we engage in a serious national discussion about gun violence, not just in terms of weapons and bullets, but also including mental health access, public safety officers, and our responsibility both as individuals and a society. We can and must act to make such tragedies less likely in the future.
 
This is a complex issue and we must work together to uphold our Constitution while at the same time ensuring that our communities are safe. When our children and families are no longer safe at our schools, in our malls, and in our movie theaters, then we as a country must take action. 
 
Many Ohioans have already written in with comments, suggestions, and concerns. I will continue to pay close attention to each of your letters, calls, and emails, and on behalf of all Ohioans, I offer my continued prayers and condolences to the Newtown community. Thank you again for writing.
 
                                        Sincerely,
                       
                                        Sherrod Brown
                                        United States Senator

nothing yet from Marcy Kaptur, wasn't expecting anything from Obama's people for obvious reasons but come on Marcy, check your spam folder sometime!

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #585 on: January 08, 2013, 02:15:49 AM »
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/creator-of-deport-piers-morgan-flips-out-on-morgans-show-1776-will-commence-again-if-you-try-to-take-our-firearms/

well he accomplished what he set out to accomplish. Info Wars traffic must have went up big time
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #586 on: January 08, 2013, 02:30:29 AM »
Not really sure what Piers or CNN thought they were going to achieve by having Alex Jones on TV, other than making him and the rest of his groupies look like homicidal maniacs. In which case, mission accomplished!
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #588 on: January 09, 2013, 12:11:57 PM »
Hey look, another murder at home. With a gun.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/01/09/charges-husband-killed-dismembered-wife-in-st-paul/

My wife and I actually went to college with the woman who was killed. My wife knew her pretty well, too.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #590 on: January 09, 2013, 01:06:25 PM »
Drudge's front page today is one for the ages
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #591 on: January 09, 2013, 01:28:34 PM »
jesus christ, he's not even subtle anymore

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #592 on: January 09, 2013, 01:59:43 PM »
Drudge's front page today is one for the ages
Saw the pictures first and guessed what it was about.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #593 on: January 10, 2013, 12:45:05 PM »
bwahahah, watching the piers v jones vid right now.  could piers play any harder at being sheepish?

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #594 on: January 10, 2013, 01:02:08 PM »
bwahahah, watching the piers v jones vid right now.  could piers play any harder at being sheepish?

He didn't have to say anything to make Jones look like a nut who is completely disconnected from reality. Or you know just a guy who plays a character to get website traffic from impressionable, paranoid types.

Do you really think Jones was there to have a debate?

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« Reply #595 on: January 10, 2013, 01:04:04 PM »
Today's Drudge: "NRA membership soars, NRA reports!"
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #596 on: January 10, 2013, 01:22:51 PM »
I wouldn't say Jones is a nut, he's right about 70% of the stuff he says, it's just the other 30% where his opinions get a bit "nutty".  some people say he's playing a character but I think he is genuine.

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« Reply #597 on: January 10, 2013, 01:29:21 PM »
I wouldn't say Jones is a nut, he's right about 70% of the stuff he says, it's just the other 30% where his opinions get a bit "nutty".

You can be right 99% of the time and still be a total nutball, especially if you yell a lot and say things like "1776 will commence again you try to take our firearms" and "I'm being stalked by a government agent with violence in his eyes who wants to kill me and make it look like I was murdered by drug dealers."
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #598 on: January 10, 2013, 01:46:25 PM »
Alex Jones, not a nut ???  We're talking about the same Alex Jones, right?
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« Reply #599 on: January 10, 2013, 01:46:43 PM »
I wouldn't say Jones is a nut, he's right about 70% of the stuff he says, it's just the other 30% where his opinions get a bit "nutty".  some people say he's playing a character but I think he is genuine.

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I think the part about 9/11 conspiracies and fear of government tyranny causing gun bans would be at least a little linked, if he actually believes that stuff. Otherwise, he's just saying it to really mix the pot of bullshit well for his fans to gobble up.

And that comic would would need about 3 times the number of dead people in the gun slide, if you're talking about regular homicides (not murder sprees). Gun regulation doesn't change the number of attempted murders, it just changes the number of successful attempted murders.