another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD

[Great Rumbler]

Authorities first responded after receiving a call of a shooting in Midland City, Ala. involving a Dale County school bus at 3:36 p.m. local time on Tuesday. Authorities later said the bus driver had died and that a child was involved in what they described as an “ongoing incident.” They identified the bus driver as Charles Albert Poland Jr., who had worked for Dale County since 2009.

Authorities have not, however, officially confirmed the hostage situation or the name of the suspect, which has widely been reported as Jimmy Lee Dykes. Dykes reportedly boarded the bus on Tuesday and shot Poland several times, then took a 6-year-old boy from the bus to a bunker near Dykes’ home, where they have remained.

[drew]

"but with treatment, they would never have done these things."

O RLY, MOTHERFUCKER? *searches for shootersonpharms.jpg*

[drew]

assuming you come from New Jersey and offensively has become the new wicked then thank you, I guess.

[TakingBackSunday]

what the fucking fuck is even your suggestion drew?

no to mental health
no to strict gun bans
no to strict ammo regulations

YES TO ALL GUNS

fuck the shit off drew

[drew]

what the fucking fuck is even your suggestion drew?

my suggestion is that I don't have a suggestion.

fuck the shit off drew

say what

[brawndolicious]

There's no downside to at least trying to fix mentally ill peoples brain chemistry problems.

Obviously, the downside fringe gun advocates see is that it might bar them from having guns or give them the erectile dysfunction side effects.

[Great Rumbler]

An Arizona gun rights group is seeking to ban the destruction of guns that people turn in voluntarily to the police, the Arizona Daily Star reported Friday.

Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik, who organized the city's buyback last month, said the issue illustrates how gun owners feel differently about firearms than other pieces of property. He told the paper: "This bill clearly illustrates that some people don't view guns like toasters. When it comes to guns, it's as though they hold some magical or sacred designation in their lives."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/arizona-group-seeks-to-stop-police-from-destroying

[Mupepe]

To be fair, they destroy a lot of beautiful and historical guns because people are idiots.  Some of the shit they're destroying are old west revolvers, WWI and WWII combat rifles and handguns.  Sucks to see some historical items destroyed when they're pretty rare.

[Great Rumbler]

To be fair, they destroy a lot of beautiful and historical guns because people are idiots.  Some of the shit they're destroying are old west revolvers, WWI and WWII combat rifles and handguns.  Sucks to see some historical items destroyed when they're pretty rare.

Which I wouldn't have a problem in saving [or, ideally, donating to a local museum], but that's not what these people are arguing for. They don't want ANY guns destroyed, regardless of whether that was the intent of the owner when they turned that gun over to the police.

[Mupepe]

I didn't defend the bill because just like most rhetoric from both sides it's extreme and stupid.  I was just pointing out that issue that a lot of gun owners have with the destruction of the guns during buybacks. 

[brawndolicious]

To be fair, they destroy a lot of beautiful and historical guns because people are idiots.  Some of the shit they're destroying are old west revolvers, WWI and WWII combat rifles and handguns.  Sucks to see some historical items destroyed when they're pretty rare.

Why would a rifle mass produced for a war 70 years ago be collectible? Aren't you still able to find surplus Mosin-Nagants for like a $100?

[Boogie]

To be fair, they destroy a lot of beautiful and historical guns because people are idiots.  Some of the shit they're destroying are old west revolvers, WWI and WWII combat rifles and handguns.  Sucks to see some historical items destroyed when they're pretty rare.

Why would a rifle mass produced for a war 70 years ago be collectible? Aren't you still able to find surplus Mosin-Nagants for like a $100?

Why must almost everything you post still be distinguished mentally-challenged, nintenho?

[brawndolicious]

So it matters that we have 10 million WW2 rifles rather than maybe 1 or 2 million?

[Boogie]

So it matters that we have 10 million WW2 rifles rather than maybe 1 or 2 million?

I don't know guns, but I do know planes.

There were over 7,300 Lancaster bombers built during the Second World War.

Today, there are two surviving Lancasters that are flight-worthy on the entire planet.

Of 12,000 B-17s, there are 14 airworthy surviving to this day.

So yeah, given that sort of stat, I think even mass-produced rifles for the First or Second World War can be considered collectible or even somewhat rare.

[brawndolicious]

You can't compare a plane to a gun just because of the fact that they were literally a thousand times less common and have huge restoration costs in making them operational. Keeping a gun around for a long time is not a serious investment.

[Boogie]

ok

[drew]

moist nuggets exist to get the shit shot out of them, not for collecting like so many anime dolls that surround your television. they are also useful as impromptu oars for navigating water, pole vaulting, and a warm fire can even be had from them by simply taking an ax to the stock. I really hope this answers your question.

[Mupepe]

So it matters that we have 10 million WW2 rifles rather than maybe 1 or 2 million?

ones that are original and in good condition? You are over estimating I think, though I admittedly have no hard stats to back it up. But if what you said was true then these models wouldnt command a premium on the market.  However, you're referring to a more common model (in your post below). And even disregarding all that, why does your attitude make sense? "eh. We have plenty. Destroy them." I'm sure that has been said about many things throughout history.  And that attitude is exactly what irks gun collectors too. Because what I'm pretty sure you meant was "i don't find it interesting or worthy so who cares?"

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/justice/texas-sniper-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

150 sniper kills during 4 tours of duty in Iraq. Shot down at a gun range in Texas. 

[Eric P]

IF ONLY THOSE PEOPLE HAD GUNS!  GUNS AND TRAINING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES

[drew]

whaaaaaaaat? the american sniper guy? damn.

IF ONLY THOSE PEOPLE HAD GUNS!  GUNS AND TRAINING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES

NIGGER PLEASE, the element of surprise is a helluva drug.

[Eric P]

SO IF ONLY THOSE VICTIMS HAD GUNS, TRAINING AND A HEADS UP

BASICALLY FOR EVERYONE TO BE SAFE THEY NEED GUNS, TRAINING AND ADVANCE WARNING THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS GUNS AND TRAINING IS GOING TO SHOOT THEM

THEN, THEN WE WILL FINALLY BE SAFE

THANK YOU FOR FINALLY EXPLAINING THIS TO ME IN A WAY THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND

[brawndolicious]

So it matters that we have 10 million WW2 rifles rather than maybe 1 or 2 million?

ones that are original and in good condition? You are over estimating I think, though I admittedly have no hard stats to back it up. But if what you said was true then these models wouldnt command a premium on the market.  However, you're referring to a more common model (in your post below). And even disregarding all that, why does your attitude make sense? "eh. We have plenty. Destroy them." I'm sure that has been said about many things throughout history.  And that attitude is exactly what irks gun collectors too. Because what I'm pretty sure you meant was "i don't find it interesting or worthy so who cares?"

No I'm just saying that most of the guns being turned in may be very common ones that everybody's granddad had. I kinda don't get the point in even buying back these guns as rifles, even little carbines, are not likely to be used by a criminal because they cannot be concealed easily.

Gun buybacks really should be restricted to small, cheap handguns. Unless a lot of kids have accidents when finding poorly stored rifles and shotguns.

[drew]

i guess the sniper dude went to the range with a neighbor and a fellow former soldier he was trying to help get over his PTSD, and the latter dude just snapped.  sad. 

and lol @ implying guns aren't effective tools that save lives on an almost if not daily basis.  i keep track of shit like this, the only stories you hear of is failed attempts at self defense, which this wasn't even one, more of a tragic mistake.  if I went about posting stories of effective CCW'age this thread would be 60 pages long in a week from now.

when you go to the range (you really should, sometime) you put trust in everyone in that room.  it's a fact that you try to forget but in cases like this and that other story of the mom who shot her son and then herself brings it to the front of your mind.

[drew]

ANYWAYS here you go amnintendo





http://kweapons.wikia.com/wiki/Glorious_Murder_Cube

 :'(

[Joe Molotov]

And nothing of value was lost. 

[Great Rumbler]

when you go to the range (you really should, sometime) you put trust in everyone in that room. it's a fact that you try to forget but in cases like this and that other story of the mom who shot her son and then herself brings it to the front of your mind.

And yet this is what certain people want the entire country to be like.

[drew]

certain people want the entire country to be turned into one giant shooting range?!

[Great Rumbler]

Pretty much.

[drew]

oh, you mean the "wild west" falsehood...detractors always say that and it never happens.  When cities started first enacting concealed carry the anti's would always say that people would get shot for honking their horn in traffic or to resolve arguments, or how everyone would draw their weapon at the same time and CCWers would shoot each other by mistake during a situation and on and on and it never happens...

[brawndolicious]

There are cases of road rage leading to guns coming out and people being killed. Do you trust the average person including yourself to be more likely to be ready and willing to use a gun when really pissed off for a second or when am armed robber has the drop on you in the middle of the night?

And CCW license comes with paperwork that would make you think twice about misusing the guns it can be traced back to you.

[drew]

get off my nuts

[Cormacaroni]

shots fired

[drew]

Do you trust the average person including yourself to be more likely to be ready and willing to use a gun when really pissed off for a second or when am armed robber has the drop on you in the middle of the night?

yes and wouldn't happen, unless the burglar was a vampire and able to phasewalk through walls (Habitec bitchesssz)

stop projecting.  when somebody tells me that they think this or that about how people would use a gun they are filtering it straight through their own sub/conscious feelings on how they would act or react in any given situation.  I've owned a pistol for three years now and have hit DEFCON 10 anger wise numerous times with it five feet away from me or on me and the thought never even entered my mind.

[Robo]

the more time passes, the more i realize drew isn't made worse for being a gun owner, but rather gun owners are made worse by drew being one of them.

To be fair, the other side has am nintenho.

[Cormacaroni]

will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ

[Joe Molotov]

will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ

I dunno, I want to see where this is going.

unless the burglar was a vampire and able to phasewalk through walls

[Human Snorenado]

will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ

If only someone had a gun, to put it out of our misery

[drew]

will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ

are you kidding me? this thread will get locked when Frankenstein's assault machine gun extendo clip baby seeking bullet ban bill gets voted on.

you don't HAVE to click, I mean I don't go into your workout thread and tell you guys to stop being fegs and just eat a bearclaw already. kapish?

[TakingBackSunday]

best drew post ever

[Phoenix Dark]

Drew, you're walking down the street. I run up on you and steal your waiter tips, which you were counting at the time. You have a gun. What do you do.

[Mandark]

I've owned a pistol for three years now and have hit DEFCON 10 anger wise numerous times with it five feet away from me or on me and the thought never even entered my mind.

DEFCON only goes from 1 to 5, and the high numbers are actually for lower threat levels.

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[Mandark]

oh, you mean the "wild west" falsehood...detractors always say that and it never happens.  When cities started first enacting concealed carry the anti's would always say that people would get shot for honking their horn in traffic or to resolve arguments, or how everyone would draw their weapon at the same time and CCWers would shoot each other by mistake during a situation and on and on and it never happens...

So people made really baseless and hysterical speculations about public policy and its effects based on the narcissistic assumption that their own pet issue was absolutely central to society's broader ability to function?

Hm.

[Mandark]

drew was just trying to keep it in the family

[drew]

Drew, you're walking down the street. I run up on you and steal your waiter tips, which you were counting at the time. You have a gun. What do you do.

I would just assume that it's the Universe balancing itself out, because if I had waiter tips it means I would have had to steal them as well.

I'm the saute cook now, second only to the chef, thats right BITCHES - went from bus to BAUS in the space of a year

as for the rest of you, get away nerds *makes the cross* edit: oh that's just Mandark posting twice, figures, get away from me nerD

[Boogie]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/us-gun-deaths-sandy-hook_n_2602074.html

[drew]

yeah, but we have a lot of black people shooting other black people with illegal guns. I wonder what that number would be if you subtracted that and justifiable self defense cases.

[Boogie]

okay then

[Himu]

yes bring black people into this

[drew]

black people brought themselves into it.

[Madrun Badrun]

will someone just lock this fucking thread already, jesus christ

are you kidding me? this thread will get locked when Frankenstein's assault machine gun extendo clip baby seeking bullet ban bill gets voted on.

you don't HAVE to click, I mean I don't go into your workout thread and tell you guys to stop being fegs and just eat a bearclaw already. kapish?

Drew, you're walking down the street. I run up on you and steal your waiter tips, which you were counting at the time. You have a gun. What do you do.

this thread is great

[TakingBackSunday]

[Joe Molotov]

yeah, but we have a lot of black people shooting other black people with illegal guns. I wonder what that number would be if you subtracted that and justifiable self defense cases.

Still more than the amount of heroes with guns that successfully protected their families from bad guys.

[Positive Touch]

is it ok to hope that drew gets shot while unsuccessfully defending himself? at this point i think yes it is

[drew]

why don't you do it yourself, COME AT ME BRO.

[Human Snorenado]

I hope he gets rainforest aids, which isn't even a THING.  But it totally should be.

[drew]

both of you would like me if you met me and didn't know who I was beforehand

[Human Snorenado]

Probably.  I'm a generally agreeable person, except on the internets.

BUT WHATEVER, I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR RAINFOREST AIDS

[Mandark]

France has roughly the same proportion of African-descended residents but our gun homicide rate is ~10 times higher.

Serious question for PD, Himu, etc: why did we get all the violent darkies, and France got the docile ones? 

[TakingBackSunday]

simple

europe gays you the fuck up