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« Reply #120 on: December 19, 2012, 12:04:48 PM »
having a kid in general is the most selfish thing you can do, but who gives a fuk it can change everything as long as u aint already fukkin broken
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« Reply #121 on: December 19, 2012, 06:06:07 PM »
Having a woman won't make you feel any better, you just think it will.

Eh... YMMV

Anyway having a kid will.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't have any children
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« Reply #122 on: December 19, 2012, 06:09:11 PM »


Hey dummy! stop being depressed!
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« Reply #123 on: December 19, 2012, 07:09:23 PM »
Methodis is losing weight because he is getting in shape and eating right, not because he is miserable. If I'm remembering correctly, he just has actual real-life sadness like heartbreak and work to deal with. His doctor of course only has 3 minutes to talk to him and is probably only going to address a physical issue anyway so he's not going to dole out anti-depressants to someone whose health is visibly improving without some other compelling reason, I'd hope.
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« Reply #124 on: December 19, 2012, 08:23:22 PM »
ya youre 100% right
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« Reply #125 on: December 19, 2012, 08:30:37 PM »
Obviously, the solution is to cut yourself a bunch and then just show him that

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« Reply #126 on: December 19, 2012, 08:32:55 PM »
i am no wheres near self harm levels and won't be, i'm on the "i feel like shite" levels.
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« Reply #127 on: December 19, 2012, 08:46:23 PM »
There was about a decade where everything went shit side up for me; hardly anything went right in my life.  Then it kind of stopped.  It took about another three years (2010) before I could say I recovered entirely.
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« Reply #128 on: December 19, 2012, 09:37:05 PM »
Was feeling down.  Met the girl tonight.  She's pretty cute and really sweet.  Not depressed anymore.
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« Reply #129 on: December 19, 2012, 09:39:43 PM »
congrats buddy :)
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« Reply #130 on: December 19, 2012, 09:43:48 PM »
Thanks!  This is the first time that I've met a girl that I've really been interested in her other than a "I bet she sexes good" kind of way.  The whole think was arranged through my family's church, so my son was there with me.  He was getting restless there as it was wrapping up and her kid was getting tired, so those two powers combined into me having just enough time to say, "It was really nice meeting you!" and nothing more before we parted ways.

I hope I didn't screw things up.  I would actually like to see this girl again.
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« Reply #131 on: December 19, 2012, 09:47:59 PM »
Possibly some people ITT are confusing clinical depression with BEING SAD because things in their life are actually sad.
No doubt. I doubt there is truly anything wrong with me.

But I truly feel like I'm just pretty socially dumb. I'm not talking about just women, hell I'm not even sure I'm quite straight. I'm not sure about anything really. I just don't know how to talk to anyone unless I'm completely 100% comfortable with a person. I simply do not know how to engage people, and I fear talking with anyone beyond a formal way. It's like it's hard enough to open up and share my personality and if they react in any negative way I just crawl back into my shell and because even more unable to communicate because I can't read them and figure out how they react. It's annoying and stopped me from having actual friends and a fulfilling social life.

I also just feel simply dumb when talking to normal people, they talk about things I simply don't understand or care about. And it's just small stuff. It makes me 2nd guess myself. I don't know. it's just sometimes I feel so disconnected from people and I really don't want to.

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« Reply #132 on: December 19, 2012, 09:51:30 PM »


So you're afraid of rejection? cool.

in general? most definitely.
Do you have female friends?

not currently. only RL friends are people from work.

Most relationships just kinda "happen." If you're not out meeting new people, you're not going to run into any cute girls who think you're pretty neat. (And their titties won't end up in your mouth.)

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« Reply #133 on: December 19, 2012, 09:56:30 PM »
Possibly some people ITT are confusing clinical depression with BEING SAD because things in their life are actually sad.
No doubt. I doubt there is truly anything wrong with me.

But I truly feel like I'm just pretty socially dumb. I'm not talking about just women, hell I'm not even sure I'm quite straight. I'm not sure about anything really. I just don't know how to talk to anyone unless I'm completely 100% comfortable with a person. I simply do not know how to engage people, and I fear talking with anyone beyond a formal way. It's like it's hard enough to open up and share my personality and if they react in any negative way I just crawl back into my shell and because even more unable to communicate because I can't read them and figure out how they react. It's annoying and stopped me from having actual friends and a fulfilling social life.

I also just feel simply dumb when talking to normal people, they talk about things I simply don't understand or care about. And it's just small stuff. It makes me 2nd guess myself. I don't know. it's just sometimes I feel so disconnected from people and I really don't want to.

Social anxiety is a real thing and you may want to consider seeking some kind of help to deal with it. And it sounds like you want help
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« Reply #134 on: December 22, 2012, 09:04:25 PM »
someone on SA said to pick up the book feeling good by david burns so i did. i dont know if you believe in cognitive therapy or w/e but its helping a little bit, might be worth checking out.

as for social anxiety they all swear by "How to Make friends" or w/e that 1930 book is called.
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« Reply #135 on: December 22, 2012, 09:48:27 PM »


http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034


That one?  I remember it being made fun of so much in cartoons and other TV shows that I never thought it was something to be taken seriously...
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« Reply #136 on: December 22, 2012, 09:49:37 PM »
yeah they all say to read it over because apparently even though its almost 100 years old all the concepts still work.

personally i'm digging Feeling Good so far.

http://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-The-Mood-Therapy/dp/0380810336/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356230964&sr=8-1&keywords=feeling+good
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« Reply #137 on: December 22, 2012, 10:09:10 PM »
Possibly some people ITT are confusing clinical depression with BEING SAD because things in their life are actually sad.
No doubt. I doubt there is truly anything wrong with me.

But I truly feel like I'm just pretty socially dumb. I'm not talking about just women, hell I'm not even sure I'm quite straight. I'm not sure about anything really. I just don't know how to talk to anyone unless I'm completely 100% comfortable with a person. I simply do not know how to engage people, and I fear talking with anyone beyond a formal way. It's like it's hard enough to open up and share my personality and if they react in any negative way I just crawl back into my shell and because even more unable to communicate because I can't read them and figure out how they react. It's annoying and stopped me from having actual friends and a fulfilling social life.

I also just feel simply dumb when talking to normal people, they talk about things I simply don't understand or care about. And it's just small stuff. It makes me 2nd guess myself. I don't know. it's just sometimes I feel so disconnected from people and I really don't want to.

exactly with you, except on the dude-loving thing.

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« Reply #138 on: December 22, 2012, 10:14:53 PM »
i bought how to win friends. will give it a spin after feeling good and let you guys know. I have some p bad social anxiety when it comes to groups of people at like a party, I just kinda shun away or talk to my one friend. im fine 1 on 1 tho  ???
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« Reply #139 on: December 22, 2012, 11:16:18 PM »
I'm on meds and have done cognitive therapy for GAD/SAD- the meds keep panic attacks under control but ultimately, getting over this stuff is about someone WANTING to be a different way- we can all sit around saying we want to be better- but being better requires a lot- more than anyone without the condition will ever recognize. Its a far more private battle than you'd expect- considering the nature of the goal.

Use encounter therapy and pace yourself- you've been bad at this for years, a few more wont hurt if it means you learn shit that actually sticks.

*MAF is not a social butterfly or a doctor so grain of salt from someone who understands.
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« Reply #140 on: December 22, 2012, 11:50:57 PM »
what did you use for cognitive therapy ?
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« Reply #141 on: December 22, 2012, 11:55:07 PM »
A counselor, I have good health coverage.

Basically he just listened to me and suggested encounter therapy scenarios. That's all it really is, helping your mind work through the nature of your stress reactions and developing a therapy around em.

The best thing you can do for yourself is to see it as something only you can fix, because ultimately it is. A therapist will listen to you and suggest stuff- but really its all stuff you could think up on your own if you WANTED it bad enough.
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« Reply #142 on: December 23, 2012, 07:30:56 AM »
I'm not sure people can always figure it out on their own.  I think cultivating a real sense of responsibility in your own life often requires the guidance of another.  If you've had an ideal childhood, your parents foster that in you.  If you've had absent parents, it's going to be a lot harder.  I think the BOOTSTRAPS culture where you are encouraged to figure everything out on your own is sometimes harmful to people who need assistance. I would also definitely recommend seeing a real human being over self-help books which cannot call you on your bullshit.

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« Reply #143 on: December 23, 2012, 10:19:33 AM »
I've seen that just as easily become a crutch. Plus real human beings paid to care well...cost a lot of money- and finding one that legitimately cares for free, and is also willing to spend the time is rare if you're in a situation where youre trying to find help being with people.

The thing is, as right as you are about people calling you on your own bullshit, by working with others you spend a fair amount of time calling them on theirs. They THINK they know, but they don't because they aren't you. The best they can do is say what they think- which again, is only somewhat relevant. Cognitive therapy has a limitation, and that's on the person getting the therapy- a counselor cant make you want to be something else- only you can. Anyone who thinks they can ends up forming a support relationship that won't end because neither person is capable of fixing the problem.

So sure, see someone if you can- that costs money/friends so I wont assume that's an option, but cultivate some interest, research, and goals around your self improvement on your own. As much as people poo poo bootstrapping cause its not feel good whatever- its application relevant here.
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« Reply #144 on: December 23, 2012, 10:23:49 AM »
i wouldn't reccomend self help books for someone whose severly depressed and wants to off themselves, but i think it's totally fine for someone in my case who is just trying to get over something, or for the other guys who want ways to fix social anxiety.
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« Reply #145 on: December 23, 2012, 10:25:18 AM »
i wouldn't reccomend self help books for someone whose severly depressed and wants to off themselves, but i think it's totally fine for someone in my case who is just trying to get over something, or for the other guys who want ways to fix social anxiety.

Pretty much- if your posts had more of a "GUYZ END OF MY ROPE" my advice would be different OR I wouldn't have given advice cause I've never been to that kind of place mentally
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« Reply #146 on: December 23, 2012, 10:52:21 AM »
i can't do books...too much like following a set of instructions for me and at this point, I feel like I've heard every last word people can say about self-help...there's nothing that's going to hit me like an epiphany in any of these books.  When it gets really bad, I talk to my folks or brother.  It's not the figuring out what to do part that I struggle with, it's the actually doing it part.  :lol   Except for my actual depression, turns out I shouldn't have been bottoming out mentally on a daily-weekly basis for most of my life...I had no idea what that was about and didn't pinpoint until this year.  when I finally told my folks about that (because stuff that happened earlier this year kicked my ass to the point where I couldn't really hide it anymore), it wasn't long before I got to a doctor and on meds.

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« Reply #147 on: December 23, 2012, 01:59:08 PM »
Possibly some people ITT are confusing clinical depression with BEING SAD because things in their life are actually sad.
No doubt. I doubt there is truly anything wrong with me.

But I truly feel like I'm just pretty socially dumb. I'm not talking about just women, hell I'm not even sure I'm quite straight. I'm not sure about anything really. I just don't know how to talk to anyone unless I'm completely 100% comfortable with a person. I simply do not know how to engage people, and I fear talking with anyone beyond a formal way. It's like it's hard enough to open up and share my personality and if they react in any negative way I just crawl back into my shell and because even more unable to communicate because I can't read them and figure out how they react. It's annoying and stopped me from having actual friends and a fulfilling social life.

I also just feel simply dumb when talking to normal people, they talk about things I simply don't understand or care about. And it's just small stuff. It makes me 2nd guess myself. I don't know. it's just sometimes I feel so disconnected from people and I really don't want to.

exactly with you, except on the dude-loving thing.
Well I wouldn't say I'm gay, everyone else would. Lack of confidence in myself leads me to 2nd thinking it. Pretty much since I was 13 I guess people have thought I was gay. Even my own extended family members will ask my mom if I am. I'm not sure what I do, but it's very defeating. I mean there's nothing wrong with being gay, but I just don't get why pretty much everyone thinks I am. Maybe its the way I carry myself? I'm not sure how. I don't dress particaly interestingly. I guess it's my interests? No I'm not eaxctly macho, but I'm not really metro or anything, I think I'm just an average person. No, I'm not a skirt chaser, but thats because I lack confidence more then anything. It's just being labled as gay has been a running thing in my teenage and adult life and it's just kind of annoying. And it just adds up to me not wanting to really communicate with people, because even if they arent I sure think they are judging me and getting the wrong idea about me, which just leads me to not being able to open up.


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« Reply #148 on: December 23, 2012, 02:16:55 PM »
Ya my whole family thinks I'm gay too.  But no I'm just creepy and socially inept.

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« Reply #149 on: December 23, 2012, 02:58:12 PM »
My counselor suggested I go to meetup.com. I told him bout bebpos success with meetup And he suggested it. Some days I will do nothing but sleep for literally no reason other than to sleep. In my freshman year I would lock myself in my college dorm room for days at a time, sleep all day, see it was night time, get in bed, sleep some more. Then in the morning I would go and skip class, eat at the caf, and go sleep some more.

 My current counselor hasn't put me on antidepressants yet but we are trying ways to make me break out of my shell and find ways to feel happy and not feel suicidal or take up alcoholism like I was starting to earlier this year. Meetup and better, healthy friendships is a start we decided. If you're on my facebook you saw my post the other day about cutting people off and healthy adult relationships. It is a part of strategy with my counselor to kick out anyone of my social circle who I feel isn't a friend and find new ones. This included I used to really feel close to when I was a kid and in high school. It was really hard simply cutting ties.

 The thing is, when I hang out with people, like from work or whatever, I feel good and happy. But when I look in the mirror again I get dysphoric and start to hate myself again. I am counting the days till I get estrogen. Both counselor and I think it will help me tremendously in terms of self confidence and loving of myself.
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« Reply #150 on: December 23, 2012, 03:29:45 PM »
I'm too distant thanks to years of moving and shitty family/social situations. I have some really great friends but I dunno if i'll ever get into another long-term relationship. That said, caring less and less every year. Still gets me sometimes though- which is why I do online dating; JUST IN CASE.
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« Reply #151 on: December 23, 2012, 03:55:34 PM »
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The thing is, as right as you are about people calling you on your own bullshit, by working with others you spend a fair amount of time calling them on theirs. They THINK they know, but they don't because they aren't you. The best they can do is say what they think- which again, is only somewhat relevant.

To me, this is the most important part about therapy.  It's really good to have a dynamic where you feel comfortable telling them you think they're wrong and they can say the same to you.  Learning to be comfortable with that give and take is what allows for fulfilling relationships in everyday life, and you just can't get that from a book.  But I concede that this is more a pseudo-scientific Freudian understanding of psychology than the more mainstream cognitive stuff, which I don't have any experience with.  Psychoanalysis is fun cause being demeaning and accusing your analyst of stuff is the road to health! feels good man.   


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« Reply #152 on: December 23, 2012, 04:14:04 PM »
Therapy really makes me feel better just being able to talk about it. That in itself is therapeutic. My therapist says I use certain words that give off my desires. Like, he says I use the word "normal" a lot. And looking back on our sessions, it's true. A therapist is useful because they not only bounce off ideas, they are able to critique your own thought process and tell you why it's wrong and ways to fix that.
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« Reply #153 on: December 23, 2012, 06:18:38 PM »
one of the main things this book so far suggests is that when you get a bad feel you write it down. not the emotion "i feel bad' but what made you think that "im bad at women" , then he wants you to identify it with one of these:

All-or-nothing thinking (splitting) – Conception in absolute terms, like "always", "every", "never", and "there is no alternative". (See also "false dilemma" or "false dichotomy".)

Overgeneralization – Extrapolating limited experiences and evidence to broad generalizations. (See also faulty generalization and misleading vividness.)

Magical thinking - Expectation of specific outcomes based on performance of unrelated acts or utterances. (See also wishful thinking.)

Mental filter – Inability to view positive or negative features of an experience, for example, noticing only a tiny imperfection in a piece of otherwise useful clothing.

Disqualifying the positive – Discounting positive experiences for arbitrary, ad hoc reasons.

Jumping to conclusions – Reaching conclusions (usually negative) from little (if any) evidence. Two specific subtypes are also identified:

Mind reading – Sense of access to special knowledge of the intentions or thoughts of others.

Fortune telling – Inflexible expectations for how things will turn out before they happen.

Magnification and minimization – Magnifying or minimizing a memory or situation such that they no longer correspond to objective reality. This is common enough in the normal population to popularize idioms such as "make a mountain out of a molehill." In depressed clients, often the positive characteristics of other people are exaggerated and negative characteristics are understated. There is one subtype of magnification:

Catastrophizing – Inability to foresee anything other than the worst possible outcome, however unlikely, or experiencing a situation as unbearable or impossible when it is just uncomfortable.

Emotional reasoning – Experiencing reality as a reflection of emotions, e.g. "I feel it, therefore it must be true."

Should statements – Patterns of thought which imply the way things "should" or "ought" to be rather than the actual situation the person is faced with, or having rigid rules which the person believes will "always apply" no matter what the circumstances are. Albert Ellis termed this "cognitive distortion".

Labeling and mislabeling – Limited thinking about behaviors or events due to reliance on names; related to overgeneralization. Rather than describing the specific behavior, the person assigns a label to someone or himself that implies absolute and unalterable terms. Mislabeling involves describing an event with language that is highly colored and emotionally loaded.

Personalization – Attribution of personal responsibility (or causal role or blame) for events over which a person has no control.



and then write down reasons why its NOT true like "girls talk to me so i can't be that bad" blah blah blah etc. seems like a pretty neat exercise
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« Reply #154 on: December 26, 2012, 04:33:27 PM »
I've been back a year, and I feel further away from my family than ever. I basically created some happy illusion for myself of them, but upon returning, the honeymoon phase was short. I'm always sad, angry, with little bits of happiness mixed in there (mostly when I'm either alone or with my sister, who is the only person I really get along with anymore). I've always been socially awkward, but now I get so paranoid sometimes, especially in crowds or on trains (both is the case most often as I commute during rush hour). I think I may need to talk to someone. I might be taking out other issues on my family. I'm just never sure anymore what I'm really feeling, if its just a show I'm used to putting on or if I really do feel that way. I'm sick of being so angry all the time.

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« Reply #155 on: December 26, 2012, 04:43:31 PM »
I've been back a year, and I feel further away from my family than ever. I basically created some happy illusion for myself of them, but upon returning, the honeymoon phase was short. I'm always sad, angry, with little bits of happiness mixed in there (mostly when I'm either alone or with my sister, who is the only person I really get along with anymore). I've always been socially awkward, but now I get so paranoid sometimes, especially in crowds or on trains (both is the case most often as I commute during rush hour). I think I may need to talk to someone. I might be taking out other issues on my family. I'm just never sure anymore what I'm really feeling, if its just a show I'm used to putting on or if I really do feel that way. I'm sick of being so angry all the time.
I was this way for a while.  I would advise seeing a professional.  But something I picked up that helped me out a lot was to carry a small notepad and pen.  When it would turn to 11 and I would feel like taking it out on someone I would just start to write thoughts.  Anything that came to mind (it got easier the more I did it).  Then when you've calmed down a bit go and read it.  I wrote down some pretty insightful things that helped me figure out what was actually bothering me.  And it helped me to stay under control when I would go back and read it and see some of the horrible things I was thinking.  It was really frightening when I realized what I was capable of saying/thinking about the people that loved me.

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« Reply #156 on: December 26, 2012, 07:00:57 PM »
yeah thats one of the concpets outlined in feeling good, write down what you feel when you feel bad. makes sense that it would also calm you down and feel better.

going through how to influence and make friends now. its a good book, great read. although so far the concepts are;

1. don't insult others
2. be over praiseful
3. take genuine interest in the other person
4. no one cares what you want, they just want to hear what they want

i forgot the tohers so far. lol. its a good read though, talks alot about carnegie and lincoln (cuz its from the 30s)
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« Reply #157 on: December 27, 2012, 12:23:41 AM »
Yeah, I'll try that out... the writing on a notepad thing. Usually, I say some choice hurtful things, retreat to my room to be alone, play video games or surf the internet, and say some more hurtful things to anyone that follows me to check if I'm okay. I mean, I apologize usually afterwards, but I can imagine someone getting really sick of being a punching bag over and over again. I'm really sick and disgusted with myself when all I do is rag on my family when I get pissed off for no reason.