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« Reply #2580 on: March 02, 2020, 06:43:38 PM »
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-tng-ds9-morality-idealism-better-explained

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As per the article.

They've truly taken what was great about DS9 and are just exploring more of it :bow

No.
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« Reply #2581 on: March 02, 2020, 06:48:11 PM »
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« Reply #2582 on: March 02, 2020, 06:51:14 PM »
why do you guys care what other people think?

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« Reply #2584 on: March 02, 2020, 07:38:38 PM »


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« Reply #2585 on: March 02, 2020, 07:42:10 PM »
why do you guys care what other people think?

they encapsulate what I think I just dont want to type it out
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« Reply #2586 on: March 02, 2020, 07:56:44 PM »
why do you guys care what other people think?

So I can tell them they are wrong an their taste is shit.
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« Reply #2587 on: March 02, 2020, 10:16:04 PM »
It's just their network of transwarp shit being blowed up right?



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« Reply #2588 on: March 02, 2020, 10:32:37 PM »
None of us should really care if someone dislikes/likes this stuff yet here we are. Can't get mad at people for liking it because I don't, I'm happy for you all.

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« Reply #2589 on: March 02, 2020, 10:42:52 PM »

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« Reply #2590 on: March 02, 2020, 10:46:43 PM »
why do you guys care what other people think?
None of us should really care if someone dislikes/likes this stuff yet here we are. Can't get mad at people for liking it because I don't, I'm happy for you all.
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« Reply #2591 on: March 02, 2020, 10:50:46 PM »
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« Reply #2592 on: March 04, 2020, 04:30:53 PM »

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« Reply #2593 on: March 05, 2020, 05:02:33 AM »
What's the point in bringing back
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if you're just gonna have the character be totally pointless and then die a pointless death?
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« Reply #2594 on: March 05, 2020, 07:30:01 AM »
I just started watching the new ep and what little I saw it looks like the rumor is true about tying it with the dumpster fire that is STD.

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« Reply #2595 on: March 05, 2020, 07:47:59 AM »
Already watched the episode, how so?

And yes the episode is garbage again
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« Reply #2596 on: March 05, 2020, 07:50:45 AM »
Already watched the episode, how so?

And yes the episode is garbage again

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I'm pretty sure they are tying it to the whole "Control" AI thing from STD.
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« Reply #2597 on: March 05, 2020, 07:53:42 AM »
Oh, I don't know anything about that. I didn't watch S2 of Discovery.

I would imagine they would steer this show as clear from Discovery as possible, the trainwreck that it is.

Not that this is much better tbh. The entire episode was boring as fuck.

Also why would Rios not suspect Agnes when she says "It's not Raffi"  and why would he even suspect Raffi in the first place?
Doesnt he already know her for a long time?

And why are Rios and Agnes hooking up again? I totally missed that really.
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« Reply #2598 on: March 05, 2020, 08:43:52 AM »
Just finished episode 5 of Picard. It's very slow moving, but I think I like it.
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« Reply #2599 on: March 05, 2020, 10:23:19 AM »
I liked the Riker and Picard interactions...

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« Reply #2600 on: March 05, 2020, 11:00:55 AM »
Imo the only good parts of the episode. Good to see them together
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« Reply #2601 on: March 06, 2020, 04:00:23 AM »
I LOVED this episode. Troi!!
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« Reply #2602 on: March 06, 2020, 07:05:37 AM »
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« Reply #2604 on: March 12, 2020, 08:36:30 AM »
Picard EP 08 The first episode that I can even call good, felt almost like  a Star Trek episode if not for the cursing, and drunks/druggies.
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« Reply #2605 on: March 12, 2020, 03:30:48 PM »


Might watch picard tonight
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« Reply #2606 on: March 13, 2020, 07:06:09 PM »
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« Reply #2607 on: March 13, 2020, 07:12:14 PM »

"Out of context?" No, I'm pretty sure I saw this episode.

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« Reply #2608 on: March 13, 2020, 07:14:09 PM »

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« Reply #2609 on: March 14, 2020, 03:22:52 AM »
This is beautiful.

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« Reply #2610 on: March 14, 2020, 04:45:36 AM »
Steve Shives  :ufup :trash

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« Reply #2611 on: March 14, 2020, 11:32:54 AM »
That's like, your opinion, dude.
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« Reply #2612 on: March 14, 2020, 12:06:59 PM »
He is watchmojo/whatculture tier.
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« Reply #2613 on: March 14, 2020, 03:53:27 PM »
Ok
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« Reply #2614 on: March 14, 2020, 03:55:28 PM »
This is beautiful.



Keep American politics outta this thread please
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« Reply #2615 on: March 15, 2020, 02:07:43 AM »
Are people still using Red Letter Media as a barometer of what is good?

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« Reply #2616 on: March 15, 2020, 07:21:15 AM »
No RLM is the barometer for what makes an entertaining youtube channel and nothing more.

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They are not wrong on STD/Picard though.  :ryker
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« Reply #2617 on: March 15, 2020, 08:38:00 AM »
Are people still using Red Letter Media as a barometer of what is good?

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No, but they are right in that this show is written by someone who hasnt watched much tng at all.
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« Reply #2618 on: March 15, 2020, 09:25:14 AM »
Have only watched 3 episodes of Picard and liked what I saw so I won't comment but I know I disagree with RLM generally speaking as a source of authority (or people who can never seem to stop bringing them up) when it comes to this stuff so I doubt they have suddenly got better when it comes to what determines good from bad.

The idea that Picard also needs to be roughly the same show as TNG is also something I don't agree with at all. But I'll digress until I have time to watch the full season.

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« Reply #2619 on: March 15, 2020, 09:59:08 AM »
Notice I said an entertaining channel and not whats good and right with the world. I don't agree with them on a lot of their opinions on film and TV shows but I whole heatedly agree with them on STD/Picard.

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See stuff like NuTrek (STD/Picard aka Star Drek) wouldn't be as lambasted if they had any likable characters and weren't written like dog shit.
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« Reply #2620 on: March 15, 2020, 10:01:12 AM »
To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.

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« Reply #2621 on: March 15, 2020, 10:05:40 AM »
To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.


I don't think TNG is the best Trek, to me it's TOS then DS9.

Ah the it's not as good as you remember fallacy...

I'll just leave this here.

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« Reply #2622 on: March 15, 2020, 10:32:36 AM »

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« Reply #2623 on: March 15, 2020, 11:43:39 AM »
To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.


I don't think TNG is the best Trek, to me it's TOS then DS9.

Ah the it's not as good as you remember fallacy...

I'll just leave this here.



This video is terrible. It is drawn out, has no structure, and just seemingly meanders.
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« Reply #2624 on: March 15, 2020, 11:46:38 AM »
fake news.

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« Reply #2625 on: March 15, 2020, 11:55:12 AM »
Have only watched 3 episodes of Picard and liked what I saw so I won't comment but I know I disagree with RLM generally speaking as a source of authority (or people who can never seem to stop bringing them up) when it comes to this stuff so I doubt they have suddenly got better when it comes to what determines good from bad.

The idea that Picard also needs to be roughly the same show as TNG is also something I don't agree with at all. But I'll digress until I have time to watch the full season.

It doesnt need to be the same as TNG. But the characters need to be not fucking stupid, ie Picard himself.
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« Reply #2626 on: March 15, 2020, 11:57:05 AM »
To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.

Fucking nonsense 100%. I only watched TNG for the first time in the last few years. The only show I saw as a kid growing up was Voyager, and out of DS9, TNG and VOY, VOY is the worst one in hindsight. No nostalgia glasses here.

TNG still invokes a great sense of morality, discussions of what is logical and moral, what is ethical.

Picard deals with none of these issues, and instead is a horrible analogy for Trumps America.

In my opinion, most DS9 episodes are above and beyond the writing set here in Picard. Didn't bother with Discovery season 2, as season 1 was fucking garbage.
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« Reply #2627 on: March 15, 2020, 12:46:25 PM »
100% of every holodeck episode in every iteration of trek is shit, so don't pretend old treks are flawless :lol

i'm two episodes back on picard but so far i am still enjoying it. definitely not TNG though heh

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« Reply #2628 on: March 15, 2020, 12:48:14 PM »
Who said they were flawless?

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« Reply #2629 on: March 15, 2020, 12:50:44 PM »
holodeck or lwaxana troi = next episode button

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« Reply #2630 on: March 15, 2020, 02:44:25 PM »
Who said they were flawless?
okay pedantic ass :lol

they aren't as good as you remember. happy now? many of the episodes of the vaunted old trek shows suck balls.
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« Reply #2631 on: March 15, 2020, 02:58:40 PM »
TNG is flawed as fuck and a product of its era. It's a classic but get real.

Picard is assimilated into the Borg, doesn't have PTSD at all and it's not even mentioned besides the episode where he goes back to the farm and First Contact.

The show has almost no continuity.

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« Reply #2632 on: March 15, 2020, 03:00:42 PM »
TNG is flawed as fuck and a product of its era. It's a classic but get real.

Picard is assimilated into the Borg, doesn't have PTSD at all and it's not even mentioned besides the episode where he goes back to the farm and First Contact.

The show has almost no continuity.



That's the whole Borg/PTSD arc that Picard forgot about specifically that he got over it in First Contact about the only thing the TNG movies did right.

Who said they were flawless?
okay pedantic ass :lol

they aren't as good as you remember. happy now? many of the episodes of the vaunted old trek shows suck balls.

TNG is still light years ahead of Nutrek garbage. :neogaf

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« Reply #2633 on: March 15, 2020, 10:06:24 PM »
There is no such thing as "Not Trek". It's fine if people like or don't like something. But "Not Trek" is meaningless imo. Especially when some people who've enjoyed Trek all their lives from TOS to the TNG era to the current era enjoy it. Like me.

My main point with RLM is that tossing that into the conversation generally does nothing. Especially when they are used as the arbiter of what is "Not Trek" when I disagree with at least 75% of what they say. I'm fine with people as individuals liking or not liking current Trek especially when they express their individual opinions about what they like or don't like. My argument is that

A.) Not all people will agree so let's not pretend there is one consensus opinion here that is the right one.
B.) Please don't use RLM as the appeal to authority. They are random dudes who post stuff on youtube. They have no special claim to what is or isn't trek.

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« Reply #2634 on: March 15, 2020, 10:18:43 PM »
People who don't like NuTrek are Trekkies people who do are Drekkies there is your distinction.

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« Reply #2635 on: March 15, 2020, 10:24:37 PM »
To be fair I barely post in this thread anymore so its not like I actually care. I just saw the RLM stuff and that got me annoyed since among a certain group the opinions they carry seem to matter quite a lot.(which is quite odd to me)  And it tends to be a lazy form of argumentation to parrot what they say instead of actually having an original opinion. Carry on until the next time I do a drive by.

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« Reply #2636 on: March 15, 2020, 11:10:58 PM »
TNG is flawed as fuck and a product of its era. It's a classic but get real.

Picard is assimilated into the Borg, doesn't have PTSD at all and it's not even mentioned besides the episode where he goes back to the farm and First Contact.

The show has almost no continuity.



That's the whole Borg/PTSD arc that Picard forgot about specifically that he got over it in First Contact about the only thing the TNG movies did right.

Who said they were flawless?
okay pedantic ass :lol

they aren't as good as you remember. happy now? many of the episodes of the vaunted old trek shows suck balls.

TNG is still light years ahead of Nutrek garbage. :neogaf

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Are you able to articulate an opinion without posting a bunch of youtube videos?

I like Picard and I find it to be very optimistic. Trek usually reflects its era. I think Picard is doing a fine job reflecting the dark/scary times of today. If you don't find it dark or scary that's on you. But I find it to be very optimistic and gets argues that even during the hardest of times we should strive to do what's right. I find it very encouraging that such a broken group of people can find common cause to improve the universe and I'm sorry that it has:

cursing



and smoking in it

Even Discovery, which has its flaws, has some good in it.

It's weird that some of the detractors from Picard argue it's not "real Trek" because there's alcoholics (!!!) in it as they pretend arguments between Synthol and real alcohol have never existed in Trek (O'Brien argues that synthol is nothing compared to a real beer) or that people don't drink actual alcohol regularly (remember Romulan Ale? What about Blood Wine?).

Then there's the argument that there's "too much brokenness" which is apparently impossible in Star Trek the same franchise that had a ensign get PTSD after he lost his leg in a battle, and refused to come out of a holodeck for days at a time because fantasy became better than the real thing. Or the time he was also on board a ship where members of the highest Federation cadet group reduced themselves to cultism as all of the higher ranking officials were murdered in battle.

Star Trek has never featured flawed people



It has never had people with problems



Remember the time Kirk became a racist towards Klingons because they killed his son? Star Trek can never be negative or showed character flaws. Better judge an entire show because the first season is even over.

Remember during TOS when people judged Spock harshly because of his non human values?



A lot of these criticisms are baffling and have persisted in Star Trek before. It's most people that critique Picard in particular have never seen an episode of Star Trek. It's baffling, really.

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« Reply #2637 on: March 15, 2020, 11:36:23 PM »
"You cold blooded devil!"

McCoy's racism is fine.

Someone falling into delusion and depression after they lose their Starfleet commission and purpose in life? That's pushing things too far! :tocry


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« Reply #2638 on: March 15, 2020, 11:37:33 PM »
Outside of the china virus what is scary? Yeah Data curses in the dogshit TNG movies, uh McCoy is the space racist aspect of the trinity of Kirk/Spock/McCoy...remember how TNG had female McCoy Pulaski the also space racist? As for the use of youtube videos it proves my point by showing lore violations and other shenanigans and saves me time by not having to type.  :dice
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« Reply #2639 on: March 15, 2020, 11:39:08 PM »
The rise of authoritarian governments and fascism doesn't frighten you?

What a model Trekkie.

The conceit of the show is a commentary on the migrant crisis and peoples response to it. Greeks are growing increasingly intolerant of migrants and have turned to right wing politics in response.

Just the other day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/world/europe/greece-turkey-migrants.html
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