I'm sorry it's not my fault mr. marketing guy

[Cerveza mas fina]

That you presented something to the board and it got approved without asking me how much it costs and now bu bu bu its too expensive.

Learn to plan marketing people. These assholes always overpromise it seems.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Welcome to the world of big business.

If you were in the US, that marketing guy would probably spend the next few weeks trying to discredit you to make it seem like it wasn't his fault all along.  Not sure how it works in Euroland.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Prob the same 

I also love how they always have a deadline in two hours and don't understand sometimes things take longer, I mean it took em this long to contact me 

maybe if youre project is dependant on having shit done by me, you should have not waited till 2 hours before you're screwed!

[Momo]

Sounds like the scumbags I work with

[Cerveza mas fina]

Its my fault cause the dude thought the price was going to be 80% lower and sold the idea to his boss on that. He could have asked me weeks ago.

Now i will go out of business according to him :_(

[chronovore]

Marketing pukes are almost always the worst kind of irresponsible scum.

[Phoenix Dark]

marketing jerks   

[Reb]

But, but, I had an idea guys, it was great in my head.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The only dept worse than Marketing are the HR witches.

God damn they should be burned at the stake ASAP

Yeah fuck HR.  They made my life a living hell when I was trying to fill two positions last year.

[chronovore]

But, but, I had an idea guys, it was great in my head.

If that's all you're dealing with, you've got one of the non-shit Marketing Types.

The crap ones will, as described, have a full marketing campaign worked up, but not tell anyone from whom they need assets, and somehow forget about this until the week they need them. Sometimes the very same day they need them. Their attitude in demanding or requesting the assets is nearly inconsequential -- there is always a substantial sum of money attached with not meeting this impending deadline, and if it's not met, it's on the developer for missing it. The marketing person will make sure the CEO, CFO, and anyone else knows that -- IGNORING END OF PROJECT CRUNCH -- you were unable to provide them with what they needed.

The best project managers KNOW THIS, and bring Marketing in early, to let them know what the game is about, what is interesting about it, and are proactive in setting a schedule for what materials the marketing department will need. I accept this as necessary, but it feels like I am doing a part of their job for them. Without fail, if I ask them to deliver this list on their own, it will not arrive; it's something they have to be walked through.

I do believe there are competent Marketers out there, I just know I have never worked with them.

[nudemacusers]

Send them this:

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/sorry-i-m-so-sorry/

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

But, but, I had an idea guys, it was great in my head.

If that's all you're dealing with, you've got one of the non-shit Marketing Types.

The crap ones will, as described, have a full marketing campaign worked up, but not tell anyone from whom they need assets, and somehow forget about this until the week they need them. Sometimes the very same day they need them. Their attitude in demanding or requesting the assets is nearly inconsequential -- there is always a substantial sum of money attached with not meeting this impending deadline, and if it's not met, it's on the developer for missing it. The marketing person will make sure the CEO, CFO, and anyone else knows that -- IGNORING END OF PROJECT CRUNCH -- you were unable to provide them with what they needed.

The best project managers KNOW THIS, and bring Marketing in early, to let them know what the game is about, what is interesting about it, and are proactive in setting a schedule for what materials the marketing department will need. I accept this as necessary, but it feels like I am doing a part of their job for them. Without fail, if I ask them to deliver this list on their own, it will not arrive; it's something they have to be walked through.

I do believe there are competent Marketers out there, I just know I have never worked with them.

I work with a competent marketer but only after the fear of God was put into her for really fucking up.

With marketing, always document everything.  They're slippery fucks and if you got your e-mail records, you shouldn't have a thing to worry about.

[Trent Dole]

I've been reading Marx and apparently capitalism is slavery.

Basically, yeah.

[chronovore]

I work with a competent marketer but only after the fear of God was put into her for really fucking up.

With marketing, always document everything.  They're slippery fucks and if you got your e-mail records, you shouldn't have a thing to worry about.

Yeah, I live and die in email; I usually will get agreement in person, and then write a follow-up email with the terms of what we'd agreed on, just so they have a reminder, and a chance to dispute anything which might have been miscommunicated. For me, it is helpful to be able to say, "You said this would be done in three days, today is day three, are you going to be done?"

[benjipwns]

Marketing pukes are almost always the worst kind of irresponsible scum.

#t=2m15s

[Cerveza mas fina]

I work with a competent marketer but only after the fear of God was put into her for really fucking up.

With marketing, always document everything.  They're slippery fucks and if you got your e-mail records, you shouldn't have a thing to worry about.

Yeah, I live and die in email; I usually will get agreement in person, and then write a follow-up email with the terms of what we'd agreed on, just so they have a reminder, and a chance to dispute anything which might have been miscommunicated. For me, it is helpful to be able to say, "You said this would be done in three days, today is day three, are you going to be done?"

This.

Everything has to be on email.

I think the brains of marketing people don't work the same as the rest of us. Some sales people have this problem too. They will push crap cause they know it won't come back to them.

[Phoenix Dark]

One of the worst marketing/sales guy things I've had to deal with during an intraoral camera presentation. The dentist and head office person couldn't attend so they sent me for some reason to secure an already agreed to deal. I met the dude at their office, got a nice presentation, free food...and then he hit me with the "ok so you're ordering x, the price is actually $200 more now lolol" trick. I'm pretty sure he thought I'd just cave and accept the terms out of fear of walking away empty handed. I shot that shit down, pulled out documentation of the deal they had agreed to mere days before, and told him I could just have their competitor buy me free lunch tomorrow and order their cameras at a cheaper price.

Needless to say I got them at the old price. That backhanded shit is so stupid

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I work with a competent marketer but only after the fear of God was put into her for really fucking up.

With marketing, always document everything.  They're slippery fucks and if you got your e-mail records, you shouldn't have a thing to worry about.

Yeah, I live and die in email; I usually will get agreement in person, and then write a follow-up email with the terms of what we'd agreed on, just so they have a reminder, and a chance to dispute anything which might have been miscommunicated. For me, it is helpful to be able to say, "You said this would be done in three days, today is day three, are you going to be done?"

We load everything when it comes to Marketing with disclaimers.  They just see a number, only that number, and run with it.  On more important things, we copy in someone from our legal department as well.

I've never seen two departments claim to know so much but know so little like Marketing and HR.  It's the Dunning-Kruger Effect in practice.