Metal Gear Rising OT of REVENGEANCE!!!!!!!

[mjemirzian]

Try EMP grenades. Press R2 to center the camera on the boss, works well most of the time.

[MCD]

I always forget that button, if it makes any difference anyway

As for items, I have yet to use any. Dunno why they bothered since they ain't as fun as regular combat.

[Cormacaroni]

Playing Vanquish now and the story stuff is just embarrassing

[mjemirzian]

Playing Vanquish now and the story stuff is just embarrassing

Better than pedophile fanservice or moeshit.

[Rahxephon91]

Man the story was god awful.

Welcome to the world of everybody who isn't an MGS fan.

I love the MGS stories, as bad and convoluted as they are cause they were awesome to experience within a videogame. I recognize that the story here is told worse and is more of a badass shonen anime, guess what you bought an action game by Platinum, you shouldn't have expected an amazing story or even for it to be told well considering Vanquish and Bayonetta.

I never thought MGS was convoluted and bad until 4, and I hold that they weren't.

While it would be nice to think of this as just a shonen anime, it kind of is a odds with itself when it comes to tone. The action is over the top, the music is rocking, and then there's that final boss. Yet, the story is dealing with tons of serious things, there isn't that much humor honestly, and outside of that final boss the game takes the enemies pretty serious. People are accusing  the new Tomb Raider of having it's game and story not mesh well, but I find it strange this game wasn't accused of it. Maybe people have just given up on MG and the series has retroactively became stupid and crazy. I know I've given up, but it wasn't always.

Platnium did'nt do the story, a dude a Kojima productions did and it sucks. I don't come to Plat for story, I've loved all thier games for thier gameplay and asthetics. Vanquish is my GOTY. I really only wanted to play Rising for thier gameplay. The thing is it still could have had a good story and the development arangement sure gave it a chance.

The thing is they still try. There's some themes here, dealing with your past, dealing with your role in life, ect ect. its perfect theme's for a character like Raiden who while at the end of two kind of had the same arc, we weren't sure what his motivation in life would be. In a world that doesn't have a focus, it's the perfect setting for this story. Yet the story dosen't do anything really. We've got antagonist who the game obviously wants us to see the comparison's between them and Raiden, but fuck if we ever know what the heck they are about or why we should care. That's a huge problem. The Desperado Elite should have had bigger roles in the game. Yet all you get is a cutscene for most and then they die. They are obviously meant to kind of mirror the bad things Raiden dosen't want to be and question Raiden's beliefs, but fuck we hardly get enough of them to mean anything. I'm not even sure what the fuck Sam was trying to do and yet he's obviously an important part of the story. The game pushes him, but in the end he didn't mean anything. In the end my problem is I have really no idea how Raiden got from who he is at the beginning to Raiden at the end, but the game is filled with speeches about him talking about who he is. It just adds up to nothing. I hated it.

MGS already told stories like this one in 1 and 3 and it's a shame they weren't able to reach the quality of those. Obviously this game had a rocky development, but still I'm pretty disappointed with the story.

[Cormacaroni]

Playing Vanquish now and the story stuff is just embarrassing

Better than pedophile fanservice or moeshit.

so embarrassing

[Rahxephon91]

Story was never MGS though, like how the game wasn't MGS. I'm not at all surprised at how it turned out.

Yes, it's not Metal Gear Solid, but it's still Metal Gear. And even then the story they attempted is a very MGS one. You've got may actually be right antaginst like Soldius, The Boss, Gene in Sam. You've got "soldier" issues and just general discussion on the merits of the battlefield. It's kind of got a similar character arc that Snake went in 1 and Raiden also went through in 2. It's a very MGS story.

At first I wasn't interested in taking the story seriously. I've given up on MGS and this has Rising instead of solid. But this game is a canon game and well kind of takes it's story seriously. I mean a plot point is that Raiden wants to save these children's brains because he dosen't want them to have the same life he had. It's a serious story and quite honestly there's not enough over the topness in the actual plot for me to not feel it's supposed to be a serious effort on their part. Sure there's Raiden on a bike and the final boss, but thats really it.

[Purple Filth]

You are taking this way too seriously dude. The canon's been fucked for a while, this is like caring about the Zelda timeline.

He does the same shit with Peace Walker 


who gives a fuck about MGS stories, especially after 2?.

[MCD]

Story is OK so far in MGR (beat 3rd chapter).

[MCD]

And Raiden's Voice Actor should be the next Batman.

[Rahxephon91]

He does the same shit with Peace Walker 

Because Peace Walker is a piece of shit. At least Rising is fun to play.

who gives a fuck about MGS stories, especially after 2?.

I do? And MGS3 comes after 2 and is great. 2 was fine as well, sorry other people did'nt get it.

You are taking this way too seriously dude. The canon's been fucked for a while, this is like caring about the Zelda timeline.

Yeah, and this was there chance to tell a stand alone story like 3, but they screwed it up.

[Purple Filth]

And Raiden's Voice Actor should be the next Batman.

it sounds fucking stupid 

should have gotten a different voice actor or something for that

[cool breeze]

how do VR missions work in the 360 game? they're a collectable in the PS3 version.  do those laptops just not show up? and how does that work with achievements, since the trophy list has at least two VR mission-related ones.

and after you finish, can you choose individual levels to replay or do I need to go through it again if I missed one of the VR mission pick-ups?


Game is pretty awesome so far (the first two levels).  Just sometimes it's inconsistent with the explanations.  A guy tells me to backtrack and murder some people for a keycard.  When I get back the guy's telling me I failed and that I should just cut the gate open.  I couldn't tell if it was a gag or there are different approaches in some areas and I just missed it.  Then other times you're fed loads in info on how to use Batman detective vision.  Also bummed that there's no white blood option in the final game.

[iconoclast]

Just beat Sam without using the perfect parry (since it does distinguished mentally-challenged damage in Revengeance, and that's no fun). I used ripper toward the end of the battle though, though. I just wanted the extra damage because he constantly jumps away and I'm not sure what the time limit is for the S-rank.

Very fun battle, anyway. Might be my favorite in the game.

how do VR missions work in the 360 game? they're a collectable in the PS3 version.  do those laptops just not show up? and how does that work with achievements, since the trophy list has at least two VR mission-related ones.

and after you finish, can you choose individual levels to replay or do I need to go through it again if I missed one of the VR mission pick-ups?

The 360 version still has the first 20 VR missions, the PS3 is only getting exclusive DLC (in NA).

I think you unlock chapter select after you beat the game.

[mjemirzian]

Is it necessary to take advantage of perfect parries when you've got wigs and such to do tons of damage?

How fast can you kill Sam by perfect parrying him on Revengeance? I read in the official guide it does 10x more damage on Revengeance.

[iconoclast]

One perfect parry does around 55% damage to him. If you hit him with it in his first phase, you'll skip right over his second phase since it does so much damage

There's one battle in R04 where the perfect parry comes in handy, but other than that, the damage boost was completely unnecessary imo. A set of fully upgraded weapons + Ripper mode is more than enough to handle anything.

[mjemirzian]

Sounds like they were afraid of unleashing the usual Platinum difficulty. Vanquish God Hard made me cry blood. Bayonetta Pure Platinum with no pulley's butterfly was infuriating.. although I realize I could have equipped it and got the no damage condition much easier.

[fistfulofmetal]

finished the final boss.

great game. combat is tons of fun. the dodge mechanic is pretty great once you learn how to use it.

[fistfulofmetal]

VERY HARD LETS GO

[fistfulofmetal]

FIRST BOSS DONE. FUCK YOU GAME

[Mr. Gundam]

I beat the game today. The ending was kind of whatever, but it doesn't take away from how fun the overall package is.

[Don Flamenco]

Who the hell plays an action game, complains it's hard and doesn't even bother to attempt to play the tutorial to try to have the mechanics of the game explained to them?

And this dude is a game developer?

I mean, I get people wanting to get into the action and all that but if you aren't going to go back and do the tutorial before complaining about the difficulty of the game, I dunno what to tell you... man.

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I should stop messing around and put some serious hours into this.  Hopefully this weekend. 

[Mr. Gundam]

I found it strange that the tutorial never mentions dodging or pressing R2 for locking on to enemies.

[Beezy]

Dodge? How do you dodge? Monsoon just kicked my ass too many times.I got his pattern down now up until his hp drops to 40%. Then he just kicks my ass.

[cool breeze]

you have to buy the dodge move.  it's called attack-defense, I think.


I like almost everything about the core combat except wiggling the stick when you're stunned.  It's the worst.  I'll never understand why developers do it, and it's fucking awful in Rising.  Give me a button to mash instead.  At least Anarchy Reigns gave you the option to wiggle the stick or mash the buttons.  Those moments where I'm stunned twice in a row makes me want to stop playing.  Sometimes I just won't bother and let Raiden get killed.

[Beezy]

I have that.

Agreed about being stunned. That and the camera in tight areas are my main complaints about this game.

[Don Flamenco]

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201302/27029488.html

(All data here is tracked by Enterbrain Japan, not Media Create.)

First week sales for Metal Gear Rising are out in Japan, and Metal Gear is RISING TO THE TOP!

01. [PS3] Metal Gear Rising - 335,791

- #1 game of the week
- Best selling action game of this sort since the original DMC
- FUCK YEAH!


Comparison with other 3D combat action games (first week sales):

[PS2] Devil May Cry - 352,668
[PS2] Devil May Cry 2 - 309,279
[PS2] Devil May Cry 3 - 183,208
[PS3] Devil May Cry 4 - 212,373
[360] Devil May Cry 4 - 40,169
[PS3] Bayonetta - 138,430
[360] Bayonetta - 66,211
[PS3] DmC: Devil May Cry - 115,438
[360] DmC: Devil May Cry - 5,857


Comparison with MGS games (first week sales):

[PS2] Metal Gear Solid 2 - 456,747
[PS2] Metal Gear Solid 3 - 487,156
[PS3] Metal Gear Solid 4 - 476,334
[PSP] Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker - 446,133

hold that shit Capcom.   

This time, gameplay beat "omg marketing AAA reboot accessible western appeal focus-group serious business story sales" 

 

[bork]

Cyborg she-male > British-wannabe emo in Japan, I guess.

[fistfulofmetal]

metal gearu

[Don Flamenco]

Cyborg she-male > British-wannabe emo in Japan, I guess.

from the sound of things, in the rest of the world too! 

i think it's the cyborg high heels....

[iconoclast]

I finished my S-rank Revengeance run (without wigs/DLC, and no damage on every ranked encounter except for one in R04 that's probably impossible without a wig). The full playlist is here if anyone wants to check it out:

And I wrote a quick review:

+ The combat is fast, fun, and unique. Cutting enemies into 30 different pieces doesn't get old.
+ Good encounter design and enemy variety. Battles don't get repetitive because they constantly mix different types of enemies together under different conditions.
+ Every boss is great except for Sundowner. He'd probably be better if he automatically began his second phase at 60% health or something.
+ The soundtrack fits the game pretty well. I especially like the boss themes - or rather, how the lyrics only start playing after certain points in the battle. That's a nice touch.
+ VR Missions. There are 20 of them with various objectives (stealth, race, combat arenas, etc.) and they add some nice variety to the game.
+ Remixed enemy encounters on Very Hard/Revengeance. A staple of any good action game.

+- Ripper mode. Not a bad mechanic, but it's ridiculously overpowered.
+- Checkpoints after every encounter. I'd prefer smartly placed checkpoints/save points, but this must be The Platinum Way since Bayonetta and Vanquish took the same approach.

- Zandatsu animations. They take a little too long and there aren't enough of them.
- Perfect parries in Revengeance. The damage boost was completely unnecessary, and it can ruin one of the best bosses in the game (Sam).
- Wigs. They're basically in-game cheats. Normally I wouldn't have a problem with this, but you can still earn S-ranks with a wig equipped. That's kinda dumb.
- Small movelist and only a few different weapons to choose from. The Polearm is good. The Sai and Pincers are good in certain situations, but they're not weapons you'd always want to have equipped.
- The game is light on content in general, but almost everything that's in there is at least pretty good.
- George

It seems like I have a lot of complaints, but most of them are pretty minor since I still really enjoyed the game. I think it's particularly impressive how Platinum managed to create an original action game in a little more than a year. The sequel should be fantastic now that they've laid down the groundwork and can focus on expanding & improving on their ideas.

[mjemirzian]

You don't have any issues with the lack of a numerical scoring system? I suppose you can try to get better times in VR missions which have their own leaderboard. Bayo's scoring system was pretty good if you don't consider the kilgore glitch. Revengeance doesn't seem very difficult by Platinum standards.

Anyway.. new game, revengeance mode, no spending any BP, all no damage S ranks. have fun!

[iconoclast]

A more robust scoring system would've been nice, but I'm not sure what they could have done. Maybe some type of kill chaining system could work since the game is pretty fast. But as it is, I think trying to get a perfect score sheet from every battle works well enough (which I didn't come close to doing). It's true that Revengeance isn't as hard Vanquish or a Pure Platinum run in Bayonetta tho.

[Don Flamenco]

You don't have any issues with the lack of a numerical scoring system? I suppose you can try to get better times in VR missions which have their own leaderboard. Bayo's scoring system was pretty good if you don't consider the kilgore glitch. Revengeance doesn't seem very difficult by Platinum standards.

Anyway.. new game, revengeance mode, no spending any BP, all no damage S ranks. have fun!

bayo's scoring system was ass, beyond the glitch.  the points don't mean shit if you can just replay chapters ala carte. 

[cool breeze]

I wasn't ready for the last level.  Entire time  :gerstmann

I sat through the credits just to see the name of the man who wrote this.

[mjemirzian]

Dividing Bayo or MGR into sections reduces the amount of execution needed for a complete run, but the underlying mechanics are still sound. Think about it in terms of a racing game where you can play and time attack each individual track rather than having to do an entire circut. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the scoring system in that regard.

[cool breeze]

- The game is light on content in general, but almost everything that's in there is at least pretty good.

Agreed.  People complained about the length before this came out, and I dismissed them because Vanquish was shorter (hours wise) and I didn't feel that was lacking at all.  Rising doesn't feel as complete as Vanquish to me.

I hope the DLC is substantial.  If Sam or Wolf play different than Raiden and can work in the main campaign, I'll buy them.

[fistfulofmetal]

i completed the game in 8 hours. a good chunk being the final two boss battles 

[Mr. Gundam]

i completed the game in 8 hours. a good chunk being the final two boss battles 

I beat it in about 7 1/2 hours, you get an in-game award for completing it in under 8 hours.

[cool breeze]

The clock said somewhere between 5 to 6 hours for me on normal.  I'm probably going to play it again on hard because it's really fun.

is there any reason to use another sword other than for looks? I unlocked the red katana and a machete.  I didn't have time to mess around with it last night. 

[tiesto]

Playing Vanquish now and the story stuff is just embarrassing

Better than pedophile fanservice or moeshit.

so embarrassing

I thought it was funny when

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the Hillary-esque president offed herself at the game's ending

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[tiesto]

Who the hell plays an action game, complains it's hard and doesn't even bother to attempt to play the tutorial to try to have the mechanics of the game explained to them?

And this dude is a game developer?

I mean, I get people wanting to get into the action and all that but if you aren't going to go back and do the tutorial before complaining about the difficulty of the game, I dunno what to tell you... man.

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I should stop messing around and put some serious hours into this.  Hopefully this weekend.

 

Shit, I really should get a copy of this.

[mjemirzian]

I thought it was funny when

AMERICA! Fuck yeah!

[cool breeze]

how do wigs work? I'm playing on hard now and tested out the wig.  Seems like you get a lower rank but you can tear through enemies with unlimited ripper mode.  I don't get it.  Wouldn't it make Revengeance mode easy outside of the boss fights?

Also, playing first level of very hard to get the suit, it's funny just how much more shit they throw at you.  First enemy you fight is a gekko, then the next group are two wolves that normally appear much later.

[Cormacaroni]

iconoclast's youtube playthoughs are fucking badass, as expected

i play this way in my dreams

[Junpei the Tracer!]

Since I'm at lame college I won't be playing this for a while but these songs:




Want this so bad.

[cool breeze]

watching the first trailers, there a couple differences and omissions in the final product. some in gifs:

ninja mode wall running: http://i.minus.com/icKP5rZYHMT8w.gif
walking around in blade mode: http://i.minus.com/ijhGnUmzCq6CC.gif
blade mode power attack: http://i.minus.com/iKhDpJMNLRxPZ.gif

curious to know the happenings of development and how much time platinum really had to work on it.  And if it's selling well, let platinum go wild on the sequel.

and it's funny that there's a no-weapon fighting style used for less than a minute in the  entire game.  I'd buy it as DLC.

[fistfulofmetal]

I believe you can walk around in blade mode. Someone mentioned it in the GAF thread

[mjemirzian]

Yes you can move in blade mode by holding L3.

[Rahxephon91]

watching the first trailers, there a couple differences and omissions in the final product. some in gifs:

ninja mode wall running: http://i.minus.com/icKP5rZYHMT8w.gif
walking around in blade mode: http://i.minus.com/ijhGnUmzCq6CC.gif
blade mode power attack: http://i.minus.com/iKhDpJMNLRxPZ.gif

curious to know the happenings of development and how much time platinum really had to work on it.  And if it's selling well, let platinum go wild on the sequel.

and it's funny that there's a no-weapon fighting style used for less than a minute in the  entire game.  I'd buy it as DLC.

There's also a few differences in the cutscenes. I believe in the trailer the first Sam fight is quite different. In general it seems a lot of what was in the first trailer was'nt in the actual game. I mean the level in those gifs sure isn't.

[Freyj]

Holy christ this game takes a nosedive in the quality department after Chapter 4 (R-04 whatever).

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Sam fight was okay.

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[Beezy]

Fucking blade mode during the final fight, smfh. Besides that, it was a great boss fight. Monsoon is still my fav though.

[MCD]

Mistral and Monsoon were the best.

I beat Chapter 4 last night and boy was it total filler material. Fight two bosses YOU JUST BEAT and then enjoy fighting a fat ass who can't attack for shit so what does he do? BOMB SHIELDS OF COURSE.

[Beezy]

Mistral and Monsoon were the best.

Monsoon fight was utter shit

Look, you can't expect me to give a single fuck about your parry system when the camera is always in my way.

Couple that with his purple invincible faggotry and random ass attacks and you got yourself the worst boss since that fucking fish in NG2

Make up your mind.

[MCD]

hahaha.

They were shit at first but now that I am a bit powered up they are fine.

Their second fights were less bullshit too. No more changing stages and throwing shit, just straight up fighting.

[cool breeze]

That PS3 North American exclusive DLC is free between March 12th and April 3rd.

30 missions "featuring the classic VR look inspired by the original METAL GEAR SOLID: VR Missions" (blue instead of orange?).  Apparently the missions are getting more gimmicky like in VR Missions and Substance.  2D side scroller level (strider like?), levels without the sword, playing as that stealth bot again, and a new wooden sword that talks to you in Solid Snake's voice.

The price in Japan is 300 yen.  I'm guessing the other two packs (where you play as Sam and Wolf) are around the same.

Still bullshit that 360 people can't play it.  Hopefully it's released there eventually.  And the cyborg ninja costume for those who didn't buy it at gamestop.

[Mr. Gundam]

The Sam and Wolf packs aren't VR missions, right?

[MCD]

Mmmmm...Chapter 5, what happened?

Whole chapter is 10 minutes of the same enemies?

Then Chapter 6 is just a one boss fight? WTF

Did they ran out of budget? And the story is now total animu.

[mjemirzian]

Seems likely the game went into "ship it now" mode past chapter 4.

[Beezy]

After chapter 4, the remaining budget was used up on on the final chapter.