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« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2013, 02:34:07 AM »
Lol - so - no one can tell the difference between this gen and Nintendo's sank stain effort but people gun be struggling on X720/ps4 vs wiiMildew?

Get fucking real you dick smoking wank pot

I am not understanding what you are saying.  I never said that people will be struggling to see the difference just that it isnt as pronounced as the wii to wii U.  The wii is 480p and the wii U in most cases will be around 720p.  480p -> 720p  >  720p -> 1080p.  Gamers like us will definitely notice the difference, but the average person won see that much difference until you tell them.

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« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2013, 03:00:12 AM »
Uhm ok. This is what nintards said last gen as well.

"Games will look just as good just lower res" - Nintendo fans 2006

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« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2013, 03:20:44 AM »
Come on Oscar don't make think less of you again.

100 million bought it because of waggle and wii bowling, most of those people dont even play games anymore. If anything they bought it DESPITE the jarring visuals. I did the same, but only a few months in I couldnt take it anymore and had to sell.

If were talking gamers then they are just deluding themselves.

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« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2013, 03:23:58 AM »
On SDTV's it wasnt that bad but on HDTV's it was terrible.

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« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2013, 03:49:18 AM »
Huh, seems the gap (at least in RAM) is much bigger from WiiU > PS4 than Wii > PS3. I'm actually quite a bit shocked by that.

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« Reply #65 on: February 22, 2013, 03:59:24 AM »
Lager missing a point, that's a surprise. :P

I think local Ninthings have a point.I mean just look into the past,COD and Bethesda games are not exactly graphical powerhouses,gaf ridicules them constantly and yet people buy them in droves.

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« Reply #66 on: February 22, 2013, 04:05:38 AM »
And yet they barely run on a PS3. Nintendo-only gamers won't be playing The Elder Scrolls VI or Call of Duty 2014.

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« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2013, 04:07:44 AM »
Ok guys you go play your diminishing returns Ill be ballin on my ps fo

Sure there's diminishing returns when you make games like NSMB which look the same with 5 years between them.


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« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2013, 04:08:08 AM »
And yet they barely run on a PS3. Nintendo-only gamers won't be playing The Elder Scrolls VI or Call of Duty 2014.

We have pc's for Elder Scrolls VI finally not look like ass because of weak consoles edition.  Dunno abotu CoD though.

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« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2013, 04:09:22 AM »
COD2 > COD now is a huge leap.

Just go back to COD2 for a sec brah

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« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2013, 04:11:48 AM »
Ok guys you go play your diminishing returns Ill be ballin on my ps fo

You know it is the same thing would have been said of the Xbox vs ps2 situation.  Have fun though.  Some peopel have argued to death of how some games on the ps2 coudlnt be done on the Xbox and shit like that.

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« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2013, 04:12:41 AM »
COD2 > COD now is a huge leap.

Just go back to COD2 for a sec brah

Not interested in FPS games.

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« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2013, 04:18:12 AM »
COD2 on PC



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« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2013, 04:22:19 AM »
And yet they barely run on a PS3. Nintendo-only gamers won't be playing The Elder Scrolls VI or Call of Duty 2014.

Only if 2013 WiiU COD completely bombs.
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« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2013, 04:23:50 AM »
COD2 was a 360 game?  Wow, even the farcry wii game looks better to me.  I guess they were still learning the architecture back then of the consoles.  I guess the same for the ps4 and durango.

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« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2013, 04:24:07 AM »
Only if 2013 WiiU COD completely bombs.
It will.

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« Reply #76 on: February 22, 2013, 04:25:37 AM »
COD2 was a 360 game?  Wow, even the farcry wii game looks better to me.  I guess they were still learning the architecture back then of the consoles.  I guess the same for the ps4 and durango.
COD2 360 was one of the many crappy port-ups that comprised the entire 360 launch line-up.

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« Reply #77 on: February 22, 2013, 04:28:47 AM »
Oh i see.  So why was PL bringing that up then?

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« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2013, 04:32:33 AM »
Oh i see.  So why was PL bringing that up then?
He's trying to make the point of how much CoD has improved graphically over the last 8 years. Which goes without saying. 8 years on the PC is a lifetime in terms of power.

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« Reply #79 on: February 22, 2013, 04:32:53 AM »
Oh i see.  So why was PL bringing that up then?
Because that's what launch line-ups are usually made out of. Developers are still trying to familiarize themselves with the new hardware and the first games are going to be similar to the work they did for the previous generation. It's the same for the new Killzone.

Compare Killzone 3 with Resistance: Fall of Man and you'll see that they're quite far from each other.

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« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2013, 04:34:37 AM »
Makes sense.

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« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2013, 04:38:53 AM »
The answer is no.
And you can't really group together the PS4 and MSbox now that the Sony beast is 1.5-2 as powerful.

You guys must have forgotten just how weak the Wii was in comparison to the PS360.
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« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2013, 04:47:55 AM »
The Wii U is also comparably weak.

Even though Microsoft are unlikely to match the PS4's memory it could still turn out to be a powerful machine. We still don't know all the details about the specs and some things can change on a short notice.

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« Reply #83 on: February 22, 2013, 04:55:46 AM »
The answer is no.
And you can't really group together the PS4 and MSbox now that the Sony beast is 1.5-2 as powerful.

You guys must have forgotten just how weak the Wii was in comparison to the PS360.

Wasnt the wii 733MHz single core, Xbox 360 tri core at 3.2 Ghz?  So the Xbox 360 was actually about 12-15 times as powerful as the wii in cpu power.

I dont know how to figure out the difference in the GPU though, the xbox 360 GPU was 500 Mhz with 48 pipelines.  The wii was 243 Mhz with an 16 stage tev but the tev was much more expensive to use.

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« Reply #84 on: February 22, 2013, 04:56:37 AM »
COD2 360 was one of the many crappy port-ups that comprised the entire 360 launch line-up.
What was it ported up from? The PC version?

Big Red One is a completely different game, from Treyarch not IW.
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« Reply #85 on: February 22, 2013, 05:05:23 AM »
Yep, it's just a PC port of the real Call of Duty 2. I thought it looked pretty good on my Xbox back in the day, but yeah it hasn't aged well. Good game though.

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« Reply #86 on: February 22, 2013, 06:04:09 AM »
COD2 360 was one of the many crappy port-ups that comprised the entire 360 launch line-up.
What was it ported up from? The PC version?

Big Red One is a completely different game, from Treyarch not IW.
Yeah I know. But a lot of the 360 launch lineup was crappy ports (whether up-ports or otherwise) so I just think back to them all as crappy up-ports.

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« Reply #87 on: February 22, 2013, 06:10:54 AM »
Lager's being an idiot child who can't deal with talks at the adult table.  Yet again.

At least Methodis comes by it honestly.

I dont even know what you guys are on about PS4 is ages ahead of WiiU in graphics and if you think the difference isnt big well good for you welcome to the housewives club.

Im just telling things how they are.

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« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2013, 06:19:32 AM »
yes Wii U is a like a ductaped wii, and it is behind ps3 and 360 even. A new low from nintendo.

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« Reply #89 on: February 22, 2013, 06:50:03 AM »
Lager's being an idiot child who can't deal with talks at the adult table.  Yet again.

At least Methodis comes by it honestly.

I dont even know what you guys are on about PS4 is ages ahead of WiiU in graphics and if you think the difference isnt big well good for you welcome to the housewives club.

Im just telling things how they are.

You are missing the point again.I don't think anybody is claiming that PS4 is not running circles around WiiU in power department.

One little thing,

If Battlefield 4 rumors are true,the game will run at 1080p 60fps

What is your opinion on that?Why would  EA do something like that?Game will look worse than Killzone 4,unless Guerrilla Games fucked up in graphics department.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2013, 07:09:40 AM by maxy »
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« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2013, 08:01:50 AM »
I know what diminishing returns means Oscar  :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf

If Battlefield 4 rumors are true,the game will run at 1080p 60fps

What is your opinion on that?Why would  EA do something like that?Game will look worse than Killzone 4,unless Guerrilla Games fucked up in graphics department.

My opinion is that I think it matters more for a MP focussed game like COD/BF to be 60 then for a more SP oriented shooter like Shitzone.
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« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2013, 08:37:36 AM »
:lol
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« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2013, 09:10:19 AM »
Do you have a graph of who is leader in stupid posts in your opinion Oscar?

Some stupid posts chart.

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« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2013, 09:14:45 AM »
Wait you guys are taking sony press conference shots as real?

Do you never learn?

The difference this time is that Sony is putting out the hardware to make it a reality.
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« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2013, 09:20:00 AM »
Finally I can win at something  :hyper :hyper

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« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2013, 09:31:38 AM »
Oscar, please don't ever go read the Roman Polanski thread, I think it's in the HoS.  Your head would 'asplode.
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« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2013, 09:41:23 AM »
But Chinatown

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« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2013, 09:44:21 AM »
That can't be Borys, you never heard of diminishing returns?

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« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2013, 10:06:56 AM »
There are no diminishing returns on fanboy retardism, just exponential growth.
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« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2013, 10:27:30 AM »
He's right Borys

A post that would earn half a bucket for the average borean only earns a few for lager

Otherwise Japan would run out of soy beans

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« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2013, 10:52:11 AM »
Unfortunately for Nintendo, most of those casual players who bought a Wii don't know or care about the WiiU. They're too busy reading 50 Shades of Grey on their Kindles while watching Anderson Cooper on their HDTV. Graphics matter to the gamers that will drive this generation. The WiiU won't look bad in comparison in November, at least not by much. But next November?

I ultimately agree about diminishing returns though. The issue is that the system won't get the same games the other systems get due to limited tech. So while the WiiU will still have nice looking games in a year or two, it will miss out on most shit people want to play with their friends. IMO the lack of a decent online system will hurt the system even more than its tech.
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« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2013, 12:12:49 PM »
Jonathan Blow says the WiiU is too weak to run his artsy puzzle game:
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We liked the idea of being on a console, and originally we thought we might be on the PS3 or Xbox 360, but eventually we decided not to target either of those due to the relatively low system specs. After some more time went by, and our release date drifted further into the future, we realized that the next-generation console launch time might be a good time to release the game. "The Wii U still has pretty low system specs, so it came down to a choice between the next Microsoft console or the next Sony console.

http://kotaku.com/5986093/how-the-witness-became-a-ps4-game-and-why-pcios-owners-can-remain-happy

Poor WiiU :'(

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« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2013, 12:24:35 PM »
Jonathan Blow presents Sliding Puzzles: The Game [only possible on the PS4!]
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« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2013, 12:54:00 PM »
The Witness is on iOS (probably iPad only), so 

COD2 was a 360 game?  Wow, even the farcry wii game looks better to me.  I guess they were still learning the architecture back then of the consoles.  I guess the same for the ps4 and durango.

I don't believe you've ever seen far cry wii

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« Reply #104 on: February 22, 2013, 02:52:47 PM »
Other than Watch Dogs, none of the games shown actually pushed the boundaries of what we've seen in terms of scope of a game. Eventually, all the technical achievements in a game's graphics go away if you don't create new situations with the technology. It was kind of dumb that they showed off a racing game, it's the genre you get bored of the most quickly as far as visuals.

I do think games like Alan Wake or even Forza 3/4 would be impossible on xbox, as you'd have to give up too much of the effects or physics that are important to the gameplay. And there are other games like Mass Effect or Red Dead Redemption that would take a massive dive in their presentation if you used last-gen tech. But for the WiiU, there's nothing on the horizon on either the next-gen consoles or PC that looks impossible on WiiU if you make it ugly enough.
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« Reply #105 on: February 22, 2013, 03:58:43 PM »
The answer is no.
And you can't really group together the PS4 and MSbox now that the Sony beast is 1.5-2 as powerful.

You guys must have forgotten just how weak the Wii was in comparison to the PS360.

Wasnt the wii 733MHz single core, Xbox 360 tri core at 3.2 Ghz?  So the Xbox 360 was actually about 12-15 times as powerful as the wii in cpu power.

I dont know how to figure out the difference in the GPU though, the xbox 360 GPU was 500 Mhz with 48 pipelines.  The wii was 243 Mhz with an 16 stage tev but the tev was much more expensive to use.
Yeah, overall it was probably 10-15x more powerful.
The Durango is only 4-8x more powerful than the Wii U though (the PS4, 4-10x more powerful).
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« Reply #106 on: February 22, 2013, 05:02:36 PM »
Just because the people saying those lines are dumb and have an agenda like in the case of some Ninfans doesn't mean that there is some truth to it. Yeah, games that target Orbis/Durango can't be easily ported to WiiU, because the publishers spent tens of million $ on creating assets that won't run on Wii U. But if you're just talking about the general experience I don't know what Durango/Orbis could do that would be impossible to do on Wii U.

Current gen has enough power to do open worlds with lots of npcs and at least decently detailed environments and that's mainly what separated 360/ps3 experience wise from Wii and the gen before. This coming gen, I just don't see what type of game would be only possible with Orbis/Durango. I guess you can get even crazier with open world stuff, but most stuff won't really matter regarding gameplay. Maybe we finally get those ai and physics improvements that are we are promised each gen  :-\
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« Reply #107 on: February 22, 2013, 05:33:36 PM »
I don't believe you've ever seen far cry wii


Ive seen pics of it but not running.



hmm it seems i was getting wrong results for cod 2, must have been cod 1 i was looking at for some reason.

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« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2013, 06:26:13 PM »
Lager missing a point, that's a surprise. :P

I think local Ninthings have a point.I mean just look into the past,COD and Bethesda games are not exactly graphical powerhouses,gaf ridicules them constantly and yet people buy them in droves.

I don't think this is a good example. CoD2 and 3 were successful but not industry defining, CoD4 was the first one to be a mega blockbuster and that was definitely one of the best looking games of the year and was hyped as such starting with the E3 trailer.

And the game world of Skyrim or Oblivion are dependent on the same hardware edge that made CoD4 look that good, just applied differently.



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« Reply #109 on: February 22, 2013, 08:00:06 PM »
Even CoD 1 looks better than that horse crap:



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« Reply #110 on: February 22, 2013, 08:01:15 PM »
I'm pretty sure Radiohead is taking the piss. You guys are being riled up this easily?
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« Reply #111 on: February 22, 2013, 08:10:44 PM »
we wont see amazing graphical differences ever again however the advent of more particles, tesselation and ~gasp~ individually modeled hair will blow people away. Think how good the hair on Alice looks. Imagine that for every npc.
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« Reply #112 on: February 23, 2013, 12:21:24 AM »
we wont see amazing graphical differences ever again however the advent of more particles, tesselation and ~gasp~ individually modeled hair will blow people away. Think how good the hair on Alice looks. Imagine that for every npc.

Snake's mustache :drool
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