Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)

[Himu]

Coming of age stories are mostly tied down to specific genres like boys and girls comics. Which are mostly for young kids and aimed at such.

 It isn't like these are outlandish titles I'm bringing up. These are popular titles for their specific genres. The great thing about Japanese comics is I can read a comedy comic (Yotsuba, which is family friendly!), romance title (Kare Kano), horror title (Uzamaki), historical drama (Town of Evening Calm), action adventure ( One Piece) without breaking a sweat. These are all coveted titles. When it comes to American comics you're lucky if you even find one that breaks outside the superhero archetype.

This is why X-Factor is the best X-book. It is a spin on the super hero genre in that instead of saving the world or whatever they solve sleuth like mysteries with their powers. That's different and for that reason it is more engaging.

[nudemacusers]

god gaf is so gross sometimes. can't talk about actual issues in the world, you know, real life stuff, without anything and everything else being dragged in as some weird form of equalization or dismissal. bleh.

[Momo]

As a fan of both comics and manga, there is absolutely no chance on earth that I would choose comics over manga.

[Shadow Mod]

god gaf is so gross sometimes. can't talk about actual issues in the world, you know, real life stuff, without anything and everything else being dragged in as some weird form of equalization or dismissal. bleh.

Anything in particular? But yes I agree.

[nudemacusers]

gaming feminism thread about 'poor attitudes toward women in the industry' turned into 'women cosplayer should expect to be groped because of what they are wearing and men just can't help themselves'.

it just writes itself.

[Shadow Mod]

gaming feminism thread about 'poor attitudes toward women in the industry' turned into 'women cosplayer should expect to be groped because of what they are wearing and men just can't help themselves'.

it just writes itself.

Gaming side is a fucking mess. They don't want to be considered man children for playing games and yet these threads play out the same way every time, like plenty of posters are 15 and unable to empathize with others.

[brob]

plenty of posters are 15 and unable to empathize with others.

[Shadow Mod]

plenty of posters are 15 and unable to empathize with others.

Yeah but a lot of the people in those threads aren't 15. It's pretty disturbing.

[nudemacusers]

It is really one of those times where I realize I am likely posting in the company of teenagers. Or adults who think like one.

[Flannel Boy]

Thread delivers.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52902348&postcount=356

If you dress like a mailbox, guys are going to force their packages into your slot.

[Shadow Mod]

It is really one of those times where I realize I am likely posting in the company of teenagers. Or adults who think like one.

On GAF it's been proven to be the latter more often than not which is what's really sad.

[nudemacusers]

Thread delivers.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52902348&postcount=356

If you dress like a mailbox, guys are going to force their packages into your slot.

What if you're delivering an oversized package like me? 

[Steve Contra]

Thread delivers.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52902348&postcount=356

If you dress like a mailbox, guys are going to force their packages into your slot.

What if you're delivering an oversized package like me? 

Just leave it around back where no one can see it.

[Himu]

Aside from Swamp Thing how much do you guys bet Wrath had to Google the titles in that post?

"Google search query: good non superhero comics"

[nudemacusers]

Thread delivers.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52902348&postcount=356

If you dress like a mailbox, guys are going to force their packages into your slot.

What if you're delivering an oversized package like me? 

Just leave it around back where no one can see it.

not sure if compliment or insult 

[brob]

is habibi any good Wrath? I wuz gonna pick it up on release, but then didn't and it kinda fell by the wayside.

[Steve Contra]

Yeah, Wrath is a pretty big comic geek.  Himu annihilated :'(

[Himu]

Also the claim that you have to try hard to find alternative manga is fictitious. Go to any comic store. Look at all the American comics. Aisles and aisles of mainstream super hero wank with one section dedicated to indie comics. Then look at the manga section: MW, Kare Kano, Berserk, Slam Dunk, Yotsuba&, One Piece, maybe even a volume of Buddha, will probably all be I'm that section. Manga wins, again. You don't even HAVE to try. Though the occasional good graphic novel is released like Persepolis or what ever does get caught on the blip meter. Thankfully, since I read comic sites I don't have to look for good American comics that don't involve super bullshit.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

The Nao of Brown is great and everyone should read it. It's in watercolor too.

[Himu]

On a serious note, you're picking and choosing cause you prefer Manga over American comics, preferring it is fine but I find this attempt at making manga superior to comics objectively as a very pick and choosey endeavor that is pretty far fetched even for you, Himumu.

Both me and my brother love Manga and Comics, he prefers the former and I prefer the latter which is fine. But to go on about some of your favorite niche Manga while focusing on superheroes when it comes to Comics is rather idiotic. Can't wait till you fall back on your "I was trolling LOL" schtick that everyone sees through, buddy. Both have their niches while specific styles and genres are the top sellers and get more attention. You got your Batman, Spidey and them for America then you got your DBZ, Naruto and One Piece for Japan. It is what it is. Trying to be objective about it is as distinguished mentally-challenged as it gets due to the striking similarities between them.

You want some good comics? You got a fantastic Comic thread here on The Bore with knowledgeable people like Eric P, Cormacaroni and others giving great recommendations on the regular. Why don't you do what you do best and explore my man?

I already know good comics. I didn't say American comics suck. You are putting words into my argument because you think I'm a weeaboo when I'm not. I also didn't say that alternative American comics DON'T exist. But when I go to my comic store, I definitely see a signal to noise ratio on the American comic section. Aisles and aisles of super hero crap And barely anything for indie comics.  I have to TRY to find something interesting. Not saying all manga is great cuz it's not and i hate power level shounen crap as much as I hate super hero crap. But more often than not, if I'm in the manga section I will find something alternative that interests me. I don't get that with American comics while at the store. For them i have to read blogs and crap to find it even exists. I have to order my shit through fucking Amazon when I really don't want to.

Plus, I still haven't found any American comics like Beck or Real. Know any sports American comics? Or comics about people who just love music starting a band? Sports manga is one of my favorite things. Noticeably absent in western comics despite the popularity of sports. It is just an example of the further reach and pull manga has than American comics.

It also pisses me off how manga is always labeled as pedo and loli power up shit when the stuff I read is anything but. So yes I'm bitter at American comic fans and especially the super hero slut types.

[Purple Filth]

:jada

[Trurl]

Why do people on GAF feel the need to quote an offensive post even if countless people have already quoted it?  Is it really that important to go on record as not being racist/homophobic/sexist/whateverist?

[Himu]

I asked you to supply me with me evidence that American comics are more or just as diverse as manga. I even admit to my ignorance. You say that of course that super hero comics are so popular - they sell the best while making the argument that Japanese comics are LESS diverse than American comics despite shounen being popular and their industry has entire genres that still sell and exist despite that such as sports, romance, fantasy, and horror with an equally diverse lineup? You have called me being an expert (I have claimed no such thing) amid ignorance while you are doing that very thing now. And you still - despite name dropping niche comics - failed to prove my argument wrong.

Let's take sports. There is an entire genre of manga dedicated to it, with every sport represented, from basketball to mma. I asked you to supply examples of American comics that could be considered in that category and you chose to attack instead and whiffed the question with a non answer giving me everything I needed to know, proving me correct.

[Trurl]

Why do people on GAF feel the need to quote an offensive post even if countless people have already quoted it?  Is it really that important to go on record as not being racist/homophobic/sexist/whateverist?

You talking about the "disgusting" post in the Magic Johnson's son thread?

Yes, but it happens constantly.  Especially in celebrity death threads come to think of it.

I suppose people just want to post something and calling someone out for being offensive is low hanging fruit.

[Don Flamenco]

Japanese comics have achieved more of the potential of the medium than American comics to me. American comics have occasional adult comics but those are specific niches. Meanwhile stuff like Adolf has its own genre and is common fare in Japanese comics. I don't understand how anyone well versed in both countries comic industries could argue otherwise. Point me to an American equivalent to Pushman and maybe I'll change my statement.

Japanese comics cover a wider range of subjects and genres. When was the last time you read an American Comic about a crippled young man who turns to handicap basketball league to find meaning in life? Never? Case closed. Enjoy your superhero fodder.

smh 

 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blankets_%28comics%29


http://www.tip.sas.upenn.edu/curriculum/units/2012/01/12.01.07.pdf


http://www.amazon.com/Swallow-Me-Whole-Nate-Powell/dp/1603090339


http://www.amazon.com/Stitches-A-Memoir-David-Small/dp/0393338967/ref=pd_sim_b_2


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mazzucchelli
(his graphic novel work, not the super hero stuff)

http://www.amazon.com/The-Underwater-Welder-Jeff-Lemire/dp/1603090746/ref=pd_sim_b_4


http://www.amazon.com/Charles-Burns/e/B000APRJHW/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1


http://www.amazon.com/Chris-Ware/e/B001JOJLJ2/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash_Shaw


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Clowes


http://www.amazon.com/My-Friend-Dahmer-Derf-Backderf/dp/1419702173/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365284119&sr=8-1&keywords=my+friend+dahmer


http://www.amazon.com/Harvey-Pekars-Cleveland-Pekar/dp/1603090916/ref=pd_sim_b_3


http://www.amazon.com/Our-Cancer-Year-Harvey-Pekar/dp/1568580118/ref=pd_sim_b_10

http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/546/jeff-jensens-true-tale-green-river-killer

http://www.amazon.com/Trashed-v-1-Derf/dp/094315152X/ref=pd_sim_b_2

http://www.amazon.com/Marbles-Depression-Michelangelo-Graphic-Memoir/dp/1592407323/ref=pd_sim_b_8

http://www.amazon.com/Calling-Dr-Laura-Graphic-Memoir/dp/0547615590/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_y


http://www.amazon.com/The-Voyeurs-Gabrielle-Bell/dp/098468140X/ref=pd_sim_b_3

http://www.amazon.com/The-Nao-Brown-Glyn-Dillon/dp/1906838429/ref=pd_sim_b_6


http://www.amazon.com/Sailor-Twain-The-Mermaid-Hudson/dp/1596436360/ref=pd_sim_b_8


http://www.amazon.com/Everything-We-Miss-Luke-Pearson/dp/1907704175/ref=pd_sim_b_9


http://www.amazon.com/Incognegro-SC-Mat-Johnson/dp/1401210988/ref=pd_sim_b_10



Annnnd i'm bored, but you get the point.  thousands of other counter examples.  These are just the slightly more popular ones. 

[Rufus]

Why do people on GAF feel the need to quote an offensive post even if countless people have already quoted it?  Is it really that important to go on record as not being racist/homophobic/sexist/whateverist?

Exactly that. Showing everyone else where they stand on the issue. Facilitates group building. I do agree that it's annoying to read though. In person you'd get a chorus of sighs or obvious looks and the like.

[Purple Filth]

Why do people on GAF feel the need to quote an offensive post even if countless people have already quoted it?  Is it really that important to go on record as not being racist/homophobic/sexist/whateverist?

You talking about the "disgusting" post in the Magic Johnson's son thread?

Yes, but it happens constantly.  Especially in celebrity death threads come to think of it.

I suppose people just want to post something and calling someone out for being offensive is low hanging fruit.

Plus I assume for some it gives a signal to a mod to do something

[Flannel Boy]

Disgusting . . . amount of links,  Don Flamenco.

[Don Flamenco]

Disgusting . . . amount of links,  Don Flamenco.

kind of have a thing for non-super hero comics       school pushed me away from wanting to read text at night, so I got into a deep graphic novel collecting phase.

[Shadow Mod]

Why do people on GAF feel the need to quote an offensive post even if countless people have already quoted it?  Is it really that important to go on record as not being racist/homophobic/sexist/whateverist?

You talking about the "disgusting" post in the Magic Johnson's son thread?

Yes, but it happens constantly.  Especially in celebrity death threads come to think of it.

I suppose people just want to post something and calling someone out for being offensive is low hanging fruit.

Because there's no downvote.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52926408&postcount=2

[Himu]

"Sports? Who gives a shit." Is such a convenient answer. All I said is that manga is more diverse and cover more subjects yet you call me.ignorant and are unable to back that  claim up. You can't even supply me with sports American comics - which you say are more diverse than manga - despite countless of examples for the counterpart.

You say I'm ignorant but act like an expert but you have done nothing but cite random niche comic and attack me (call me weeaboo, call me ignorant despite never claiming non-superhero comics don't exist and being a fan of many, and now you're just calling me opinionated despite having inflated opinions yourself and never refuting ANY of my arguments).

As for the business, who cares what he thinks? He's an asshole.

[brob]

just fuck each other already jeez

[Flannel Boy]

Wrath isn't into black women.

[Verdigris Murder]

I also actually like the bidiness, along with beaganza. Sometimes I pretend that they come over to a BBQ, drink cheap wine and get into a fist fight.

[Don Flamenco]

"Sports? Who gives a shit." Is such a convenient answer. All I said is that manga is more diverse and cover more subjects yet you call me.ignorant and are unable to back that  claim up. You can't even supply me with sports American comics - which you say are more diverse than manga - despite countless of examples for the counterpart.

You say I'm ignorant but act like an expert but you have done nothing but cite random niche comic and attack me (call me weeaboo, call me ignorant despite never claiming non-superhero comics don't exist and being a fan of many, and now you're just calling me opinionated despite having inflated opinions yourself and never refuting ANY of my arguments).

As for the business, who cares what he thinks? He's an asshole.

for my part, I'm not trying to argue one country is better than another, but as a comic fan,  you should check out some of those links above.   Tons of good shit out there! 

[king of the internet]

Why do people on GAF feel the need to quote an offensive post even if countless people have already quoted it?  Is it really that important to go on record as not being racist/homophobic/sexist/whateverist?

I think it's usually people reading the thread but with nothing of value to add, so they just quote the offending post with another dumb Bish GIF or some shit.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

smh 

 

Annnnd i'm bored, but you get the point.  thousands of other counter examples.  These are just the slightly more popular ones. 

I think it's odd how many memoir comics we seem to have. Some of these seem interesting but since it's based off the authors/some one's life I become somewhat apprehensive to read it. I know it's weird, I just rather read made up stuff than real stuff but I'd probably change up my thinking once I sit down and actually read them.

moar comic talk plz

[Himu]

Sorry, I hate it when people are all YOU'RE WRONG yet can't come up with a single reason as to why aside strawmen and passive aggressive insults. I hate passivity. How else am I supposed to respond to a conversation that goes like this:

"I think x covers more genres and subject matter than y. Y is great but x pushes it further."
"You're a weeaboo and biased. Y is better."
"Okay, if I'm so wrong, and I admit a tad of ignorance on the subject, x has an entire genre devoted to sports, does y?"
"Sports? Who gives shit?"
"But we are talking about diversity in genre and subject matter."
"You know what? You're confused and opinionated."



The entire exchange is insulting. He says we are listing niche comics when many if the comics I've listed are mainstream and highly successful but he says I'm playing expert amid being ignorant? Um.

[Human Snorenado]

I will admit that I dislike both comic nerds and weeaboo manga fetishists.

Comic book nerds for trying to get all "no wai dude I read GRAPHIC NOVELS" and pretend they're not actually, you know, nerds.
Weeaboo manga fetishists for liking something that has a preponderance of young girls flashing their panties and tentacles.  Yes I'm stereotyping but whatever.

[Himu]

Don, I've read a lot of those graphic novels, and am a big fan of Stitches and Blankets. Some other choice picks of mine are American Born Chinese, City of Glass, and Building Stories.

Bubububu ignorant bubububu weeaboo :troll

[Don Flamenco]

smh 

 

Annnnd i'm bored, but you get the point.  thousands of other counter examples.  These are just the slightly more popular ones. 

I think it's odd how many memoir comics we seem to have. Some of these seem interesting but since it's based off the authors/some one's life I become somewhat apprehensive to read it. I know it's weird, I just rather read made up stuff than real stuff but I'd probably change up my thinking once I sit down and actually read them.

moar comic talk plz

it's true, there's no shortage of graphic novel memoirs and a lot of them are just meh...except interesting guys like Derf.  I like the "magical realism" existential type stuff like Mazzuchelli, Clowes more, but even that is a bit cliched at this point.   

The west is also pretty big on crime graphic novels.  Parker, Better Living Through Crime, From Hell.   Definitely my favorite way to get a crime drama fix since I've seen most of the good crime movies.

Don, I've read a lot of those graphic novels, and am a big fan of Stitches and Blankets. Some other choice picks of mine are American Born Chinese, City of Glass, and Building Stories.

Bubububu ignorant bubububu weeaboo :troll

cool cool

[Himu]

I enjoy the memoirs. I find them a good alternative to the usual book form of memoir. Persepolis is great, haven't seen the movie though. Is it at least solid?

[Rufus]

So tally the numbers if it's so important. Do it in Excel, the nerd dueling grounds.

[Trurl]

I will admit that I dislike both comic nerds and weeaboo manga fetishists.

Comic book nerds for trying to get all "no wai dude I read GRAPHIC NOVELS" and pretend they're not actually, you know, nerds.
Weeaboo manga fetishists for liking something that has a preponderance of young girls flashing their panties and tentacles.  Yes I'm stereotyping but whatever.

True comic book nerds dislike the term graphic novel.

[Himu]

funny/sad thing is, Japan's been going down its own version of the "everything is superheroes" road the last several years with moe harem shit.

Definitely.

[Himu]

I enjoy the memoirs. I find them a good alternative to the usual book form of memoir. Persepolis is great, haven't seen the movie though. Is it at least solid?

yes its well done.

Is the entire story in it? Both books?

[Rufus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52937388&postcount=8029

Haha, trab cracking the whip.

[brob]

Mutes apologized within a minute.

[StealthFan]

Thank God Mutes apologized. Wouldn't want to offend such a luscious fair-maiden

[Flannel Boy]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52937388&postcount=8029

Haha, trab cracking the whip.

I don't even know why you put so much emphasis on the fact somebody is female but it seems to trigger the most primitive thoughts & comments.

 

[Flannel Boy]

Mutes apologized within a minute.

Does he get a notification every time she posts. 

Thank God Mutes apologized. Wouldn't want to offend such a luscious fair-maiden (Image removed from quote.)

Useless without a fedora.

just because another female member appears doesn't mean you get to judge & compare us

*puts on a pound of pancake makeup*

[Himu]

DeafMutes scares me.

[Sausage]

Sorry

lolol Beautiful

[Shadow Mod]

Hah.

Now if she'd just post some of her pms for further lulz.

[brob]

Don't hate the player



Hate the game

[Himu]

Is DeafMutes one of those OMG SCIENCE IS AWESOME guys who flunked out of high school chemistry? Trying to rememeber if he had a SCIENCE!!!!! avatar.

[nudemacusers]

I don't blame her, being a little flirty/cute online is one thing, but it seems some people have trouble drawing lines or boundaries. The "team" stuff was gross and if a mod were not involved would have resulted in grey names.

[Himu]

God I love being a cold stone bitch on gaf spitting real talk. Amazed I haven't been banned yet.

[Broseidon]

Hah.

Now if she'd just post some of her pms for further lulz.

Strike up a sympathetic PM convo with her and work towards getting some

[Shadow Mod]

I don't blame her, being a little flirty/cute online is one thing, but it seems some people have trouble drawing lines or boundaries. The "team" stuff was gross and if a mod were not involved would have resulted in grey names.

Yeah seriously I think he needs to be demodded. Dude is seriously fucking immature.