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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23760 on: January 29, 2014, 07:27:45 AM »
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Quote from: AWESOM-O

People are angry at cboat because of something as inconsequential as leaks when his writing style is a crime against humanity?

his writing style is a smokescreen.  it's what makes him good at hiding his real identity while you get sussed out within three sentences.

The fact that I openly posted my picture in the PYP thing probably had a lot to do with it as well.

Basically I just ask myself "does this person sound like he's about to punch a hole through his drywall".  100% foolproof for GS dummy accounts. 

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23761 on: January 29, 2014, 07:50:06 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759779

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I PMed him a dropbox link to that screenshot and he uploaded it directly from that link.

Idiot. Why would you use dropbox instead of using min.us or imgur or numerous other "anonymous" image hosts that don't require an account?

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23762 on: January 29, 2014, 07:55:17 AM »
Yeah, Ekim fucked up there. Surprised CBOAT himself didn't re-host it though, considering how vigilant he is otherwise.

Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23763 on: January 29, 2014, 09:14:34 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759830

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23764 on: January 29, 2014, 09:20:17 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759830

edit: Ah, I didn't notice there was another page.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23765 on: January 29, 2014, 10:06:22 AM »
I'm principally a Nintendo fan that buys other shit in addition, and it irritates the fuck out of me TBH..

It IS somewhat trivial to parse, but it's non-trivial enough to be annoying. If everyone can read what you're saying in idiot-speak, why speak in idiot-speak at all?

The hero worship and drama that floods a cboat thread annoys me more though. So I tend not to read them past the first post.
What is there really to read past it if you aren't interested in the drama from a cboat drop? Other than the occasional confirmation it's not like you're going to get much else.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759830
Thomas Daly Sings the Hits, only $299.99 MSRP, coming soon from Nintendo.
All this sixth-of-a-life crisis over playing Mario Party 1 on an emulator on a Wii.  :lol

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23766 on: January 29, 2014, 11:15:35 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759779

microsoft sent assassins after the poor guy as well?  hahaha holy shit   :lol
The XBOners in that Reddit thread are something else.  Try to talk sense into them and you're a Sony shill doing damage control.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23767 on: January 29, 2014, 11:21:03 AM »
If I were ekim, I'd be lawyering the fuck up.  He's probably got a case for slander with Kevin Dent et al.
I would LOVE to see that.  Dent was acting like an 8 year old.
I guess the lesson here is that if you want to be an insider on GAF, be one of the bullshit insiders, like Johnny Nightfraud, ShockingAlberto, and the like.  Being a real insider could cost you professionally and gaffers are too dumb to tell the difference and will worship you all the same.
lol I never knew ShockingAlberto was even a fake insider.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23768 on: January 29, 2014, 11:26:52 AM »
I guess the lesson here is that if you want to be an insider on GAF, be one of the bullshit insiders, like Johnny Nightfraud, ShockingAlberto, and the like.  Being a real insider could cost you professionally and gaffers are too dumb to tell the difference and will worship you all the same.

Yeah Ekim is probably counting up the cost today of that slip up by CBoAT. A play to be an insider crashing and burning.

I can see the attraction. Once you're known as an 'insider' on places like Gaf your opinion rises to the top, and in a forum as loud and full as gaf that is important for a lot of posters.

When I started working in film production I would see film stuff very,very early lots of stuff that would make film geeks cream themselves at having access to it. And I would understand why people would leak stuff. It's exciting. Often I'd be in a gaf movie thread and want to correct people with the right information on certain unreleased films. But when you weigh it up and also see people you work with getting marched out the building for doing dumb shit like posting unfinished film special effect pics up on their FB and Twitter accounts and then getting completely blackballed in the industry afterwards it certainly focuses the mind.

I will talk about some stuff with close friends away from work and off the internet, but leaking etc,is a mugs game espcailly when you're NDA'ed up.

Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23769 on: January 29, 2014, 11:34:04 AM »
Yeah Ekim is probably counting up the cost today of that slip up by CBoAT. A play to be an insider crashing and burning.

I haven't been following this too closely, but I don't think any of this is as dramatic as some suspect. Eventually, the heat will die down and the few who are committed to the idea that he's the infamous cboat will realize that he's not and move on. And as for how he got the information to cboat, I don't know the details or anything, but my suspicion is that it's not a very interesting story. Aside from the people who are convinced that he's cboat, I think ekim is going to be fine.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23770 on: January 29, 2014, 11:49:04 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759617

I don't get why the guy had to go public with this. Couldn't he have handled it in private instead of jumping on the internet to slam the dev? Plus he clearly lead the poor dev on with all the "investment" he gave them. Making a scene about this is just harming all the real victims of actual scams out there
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23771 on: January 29, 2014, 12:07:19 PM »
Is something big happening today? I'm getting timeouts all over the place.


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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23773 on: January 29, 2014, 12:11:53 PM »


lmao

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23774 on: January 29, 2014, 12:37:46 PM »
I guess the lesson here is that if you want to be an insider on GAF, be one of the bullshit insiders, like Johnny Nightfraud, ShockingAlberto, and the like.  Being a real insider could cost you professionally and gaffers are too dumb to tell the difference and will worship you all the same.

Yeah Ekim is probably counting up the cost today of that slip up by CBoAT. A play to be an insider crashing and burning.

I can see the attraction. Once you're known as an 'insider' on places like Gaf your opinion rises to the top, and in a forum as loud and full as gaf that is important for a lot of posters.

When I started working in film production I would see film stuff very,very early lots of stuff that would make film geeks cream themselves at having access to it. And I would understand why people would leak stuff. It's exciting. Often I'd be in a gaf movie thread and want to correct people with the right information on certain unreleased films. But when you weigh it up and also see people you work with getting marched out the building for doing dumb shit like posting unfinished film special effect pics up on their FB and Twitter accounts and then getting completely blackballed in the industry afterwards it certainly focuses the mind.

I will talk about some stuff with close friends away from work and off the internet, but leaking etc,is a mugs game espcailly when you're NDA'ed up.
I can definitely relate to that..  Yeah the temptation is there for me to let someone know exactly how some creative process went down on a certain show or movie when some GAFer says something about how bad of a job someone did on something, not understanding that these creative choices come right from the top most of the time.  And then I think better of it and keep quiet.
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That is some damning evidence ekim is CBOAT. Editing out his 1 year old posts?

cac is on the edge
editing year old posts OBVIOUSLY means he's CBOAT.  Only CBOAT would do something so dastardly.  That's the only possible explanation.
So ekim leaked some crap to cboat and then got caught? He's gonna lose his job over propping up someone else's internet fame? That's even worse than trying to be a "famous gaf poster".
lol yep.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23775 on: January 29, 2014, 12:38:48 PM »
So ekim leaked some crap to cboat and then got caught? He's gonna lose his job over propping up someone else's internet fame? That's even worse than trying to be a "famous gaf poster".

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23776 on: January 29, 2014, 12:41:35 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98823152#post98823152

:what

People who are morally against Kickstarter confuse me. Just like, they're against it with their very being. I don't understand.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23777 on: January 29, 2014, 12:45:53 PM »
If I were ekim, I'd be lawyering the fuck up.  He's probably got a case for slander with Kevin Dent et al.

Someone linked to an exchange between ekim and this Kevin Dent on twitter— that dude is completely mental and out for blood.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23778 on: January 29, 2014, 12:56:26 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98823152#post98823152

:what

People who are morally against Kickstarter confuse me. Just like, they're against it with their very being. I don't understand.

KS has a bit of a scamminess to it that's hard to ignore, but you can ignore KS as a whole if you don't like the idea behind it. Some people get really, irrationally angry about it in a way that just doesn't make sense, though.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23779 on: January 29, 2014, 12:57:25 PM »
So ekim leaked some crap to cboat and then got caught? He's gonna lose his job over propping up someone else's internet fame? That's even worse than trying to be a "famous gaf poster".
This.  The whole thing is dumb.  Why the fuck do people put their professional lives at risk this way?  Is being an internet celebrity really that awesome?

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23780 on: January 29, 2014, 01:05:54 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98823152#post98823152

:what

People who are morally against Kickstarter confuse me. Just like, they're against it with their very being. I don't understand.

Venture capital superior, crowd funding inferior.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23781 on: January 29, 2014, 01:12:39 PM »
Working collaboratively and giving power to the community to shape industry scares some people. Because socialism?

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23782 on: January 29, 2014, 01:20:34 PM »
What could be worse than consumers dictating what comes to the table

A bunch of old white guys dictating what comes to the table.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23783 on: January 29, 2014, 01:25:44 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98823152#post98823152

:what

People who are morally against Kickstarter confuse me. Just like, they're against it with their very being. I don't understand.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23784 on: January 29, 2014, 01:44:13 PM »
Is there a way of browsing gaf threads from 5+ years ago?

Sure.  Browse GAF threads from today except use search and replace to swap "Sony" and "Nintendo".

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=759779

DetectiveGAF strikes again.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23785 on: January 29, 2014, 01:46:37 PM »
What could be worse than consumers dictating what comes to the table

A bunch of old white guys dictating what comes to the table.

Entitled Spergs vs Crusty Old Men: No matter who wins, we all lose. :(
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23786 on: January 29, 2014, 02:00:04 PM »
Is that post meant to be taking the piss out of some weirdo poster that I don't know?

Cos if it is I want links for lols
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23787 on: January 29, 2014, 02:11:37 PM »
this cboat ekim shit is fucking entertaining.  :lol

shows how far fanboys are willing to go to defend their companies of choice.

 
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23789 on: January 29, 2014, 04:13:32 PM »
ekim probably edited out anything remotely personal because of detectives

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23790 on: January 29, 2014, 06:09:41 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98823152#post98823152

:what

People who are morally against Kickstarter confuse me. Just like, they're against it with their very being. I don't understand.
welp, so much for joke posting about kickstarter, i'm not going to be able to keep ahead of the curve

those DAMNING statistics he posted  :lol

FORTY-ONE PERCENT FAIL, THAT MEANS ONLY SIX IN TEN SUCCEED  :omg

Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23791 on: January 29, 2014, 06:52:15 PM »
Does anyone remember the name of that dude who had this GAF member wiki thing going?

My memory is real foggy about this, but I seem to remember having a look at that site some years ago...

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23792 on: January 29, 2014, 07:01:12 PM »

The fact that I openly posted my picture in the PYP thing probably had a lot to do with it as well.


 :rofl  aww, c'mon dude, you got pegged waaaaay before you started posting pics.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23793 on: January 29, 2014, 07:06:39 PM »
Does anyone remember the name of that dude who had this GAF member wiki thing going?

My memory is real foggy about this, but I seem to remember having a look at that site some years ago...

Joshua J Slone?

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23794 on: January 29, 2014, 07:12:19 PM »
Does anyone remember the name of that dude who had this GAF member wiki thing going?

My memory is real foggy about this, but I seem to remember having a look at that site some years ago...

Joshua J Slone?

It's extra creepy that he felt the need to include Drinky's daughter's full name.
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« Reply #23795 on: January 29, 2014, 07:21:47 PM »
Does anyone remember the name of that dude who had this GAF member wiki thing going?

My memory is real foggy about this, but I seem to remember having a look at that site some years ago...

Joshua J Slone?

Yesss! Thanks!

autism is a helluva thing

Naaaah, there's no way he's autistic, not when he's still adding stuff like this:

http://wiki.joshuajamesslone.name/Age+in+days+at+death

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23797 on: January 29, 2014, 07:26:12 PM »
I've spent a ton of years on GAF and I never figured out where the name "maharg" came from...  :derp

Also, apparently demi is a decent guy.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23798 on: January 29, 2014, 07:48:49 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98877393&postcount=804

wow.  cboat just got upstaged.

and vindicated yet again with his early impressions of a canned black tusk game that apparently did exist according to this new leaker.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23799 on: January 29, 2014, 07:48:50 PM »
4 bieber threads on main Ot page  :lol

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23801 on: January 29, 2014, 08:14:52 PM »
make you have wet dreams
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23802 on: January 29, 2014, 08:22:41 PM »
tbh I don't get gaming leaks. Almost every time it's some shit everyone already knew. Halo, Crackdown, Forza, white XBone...who didn't know any of these things were going to happen? The gaming industry is 99% inevitability.

MASSIVE LEAK: NAUGHTY DOG WILL RELEASE UNCHARTED 5 SOMETIME BETWEEN 2016 and 2018. WILL LOOK DOPE, STILL PLAY LIKE SHIT.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23803 on: January 29, 2014, 08:36:19 PM »
and CBOAT is now back dropping some Titanfall info  :lol :lol :lol :lol

leak city today apparently

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23804 on: January 29, 2014, 08:37:44 PM »
spoilers, who wants spoilers, you will die alone

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23805 on: January 29, 2014, 08:48:44 PM »
oh i don't know, usually they're a harmless inevitability, but I don't think there's any question some of the shit cboat leaked this year was both unexpected and potentially harmful.

Potentially harmful? Tell that to the 700 people that got sick on the cruise Famousmortimer was on after Microsoft tried to take him out
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23806 on: January 29, 2014, 08:59:02 PM »
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23807 on: January 29, 2014, 09:18:58 PM »
I'm thinking CBOAT may have fallen for for some fake info that got fed to him to catch him.

Also, the Halo 2 Anniversary leak was especially specific.  No one else had said anything about that coming.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23808 on: January 29, 2014, 09:24:46 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fake. It seems so obviously not true that only a hardcore XB1 hater would roll with it (ie Manabyte?).

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23809 on: January 29, 2014, 09:40:40 PM »
It's probably Manabyte.

Also I was thinking about Halo 2 two days ago and wondering if there was gonna be a Halo 2 remaster.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23810 on: January 29, 2014, 10:07:11 PM »
It's probably Manabyte.

You mean Jeremy Conrad, former IGN editor?
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23811 on: January 29, 2014, 10:07:36 PM »
tbh I don't get gaming leaks. Almost every time it's some shit everyone already knew. Halo, Crackdown, Forza, white XBone...who didn't know any of these things were going to happen? The gaming industry is 99% inevitability.

MASSIVE LEAK: NAUGHTY DOG WILL RELEASE UNCHARTED 5 SOMETIME BETWEEN 2016 and 2018. WILL LOOK DOPE, STILL PLAY LIKE SHIT.

To be fair: CBOAT's leaks were damn harmful for MS. He was the one that leaked their DRM plans wayyyyy ahead of time. As soon as those were confirmed? Legitimacy was given to him as well as laughing at how out of touch MS was with their consumer base besides the crazies that asking for his head. The rest of the world saw it as "smoke before fire" and then "fire in the house of MS" and avoided the console.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23813 on: January 29, 2014, 11:14:12 PM »
I've spent a ton of years on GAF and I never figured out where the name "maharg" came from...  :derp

Also, apparently demi is a decent guy.

Course I am. I will even wipe up my pool of liquid from your stomach when I finish, too.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23814 on: January 29, 2014, 11:36:00 PM »
I'm thinking CBOAT may have fallen for for some fake info that got fed to him to catch him.

Also, the Halo 2 Anniversary leak was especially specific.  No one else had said anything about that coming.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98888519&postcount=111

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23815 on: January 29, 2014, 11:51:46 PM »
Those xbone leaks are pretty zzz. Hey guys, Halo 2.
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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23816 on: January 29, 2014, 11:52:55 PM »
Seems kind of weird to already have a release month set for a game expected in 2016.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23817 on: January 29, 2014, 11:56:58 PM »
So the OT is basically a Beiber RSS dump now.

It was a Miley one a couple of weeks/months ago.

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Re: Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)
« Reply #23818 on: January 29, 2014, 11:59:59 PM »
Seems kind of weird to already have a release month set for a game expected in 2016.

yeah, but on the other hand platinum games probably does have the best moneyhat ROI on the hardcore flavour maker message board crowd. if they can blow a minor european republic's GDP on keeping titanfall exclusive, they can afford a few packs of ramen to secure something from platinum.
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« Reply #23819 on: January 30, 2014, 12:03:26 AM »
Seems kind of weird to already have a release month set for a game expected in 2016.

that's generally how these things work, takao.  you set a date for when it's supposed to be finished.  shit can happen of course, but it's not like you just sit down with a team and go "well guys let us know when you think it might be ready, ehwot?"

Sure, but I figured it would be a bit less concrete given how far out it is.