Yet another GAF thread - I still haven't got over it :( (No spergfits allowed)

[Joe Molotov]

Whimsical groping.

Imagine if Miyamoto was found to be a kiddy-fiddler or something

It's interesting to think about sex with Andy Milonakis.

Should link everyone to where he got that tag. Still blames me for it too.

I tried to find it but all the Google results are his tag now.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=745165&page=1

Might be that one.

Nah, pretty sure it was in defense of Monster Monpiece.

Edit: Found it http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98236793&postcount=53

[milchs evil twin]

Whimsical groping.

Imagine if Miyamoto was found to be a kiddy-fiddler or something

It's interesting to think about sex with Andy Milonakis.

Should link everyone to where he got that tag. Still blames me for it too.

I tried to find it but all the Google results are his tag now.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=745165&page=1

Might be that one.

Why did I not know Computer was banned?

 

[Kara]

Once Computer was given a Lenin avatar and the tag "Death to Capitalism" (or something to that effect) by the mods, and I was legit jealous of him even though my tag is way better.

[Broseidon]

I had no idea he was gone

[Phoenix Dark]

Whimsical groping.

Imagine if Miyamoto was found to be a kiddy-fiddler or something

It's interesting to think about sex with Andy Milonakis.

Should link everyone to where he got that tag. Still blames me for it too.

I tried to find it but all the Google results are his tag now.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=745165&page=1

Might be that one.

Nah, pretty sure it was in defense of Monster Monpiece.

Edit: Found it http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98236793&postcount=53

[Broseidon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=119156447#post119156447

[StealthFan]

I wish i could still experience white privilege. When I was thin and less crazy it was great but now that I am morbidly obese and have imaginary conversations while walking around people laugh, mock and shun me.

I'm not even threatening enough to be feared They don't even hide that shit. They see me schizing out and go instead of

[StealthFan]

I wish i could still experience white privilege. When I was thin and less crazy it was great but now that I am morbidly obese and have imaginary conversations while walking around people laugh, mock and shun me.

I'm not even threatening enough to be feared They don't even hide that shit. They see me schizing out and go instead of

If you were black you'd be downed in a hail  of police gunfire

True. But you don't even have to be black, like that white dude that was beaten to death by cops while crying out for his father

[nachobro]

just start carrying a pistol on your waist

[Pickles the Firecat]

Giantbomb thread is a cornucopia of white male disbelief RE: the dwindling embers of their institutional dominance. I love the internet and need it to feed me more

[Steve Contra]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=119156447#post119156447

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=119161052&postcount=298

[Kara]

True. But you don't even have to be black, like that white dude that was beaten to death by cops while crying out for his father

Fullerton 

Orange County Superior Court juries

[FStop7]

Am I a cynical dick for saying that I'm a little tired of Leeness' "I'm so uggz omg" fishing for compliments shtick?

[Broseidon]

Am I a cynical dick for saying that I'm a little tired of Leeness' "I'm so uggz omg" fishing for compliments shtick?

No she's been doing it for-fucking-ever

[benjipwns]

An illegal amount of more interesting material.

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=119156447#post119156447

to be fair, Europe is indeed fucked

[king of the internet]

Am I a cynical dick for saying that I'm a little tired of Leeness' "I'm so uggz omg" fishing for compliments shtick?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=119167277

[Atramental]

Am I a cynical dick for saying that I'm a little tired of Leeness' "I'm so uggz omg" fishing for compliments shtick?

Nah. Leeness is one of many "psychic/emotional vampires" on GAF.

If everyone on GAF ignored her she would probably shut the fuck up, pack up her emotional baggage, and move on to some other online community to feast on the pity of a thousand limp dick simps.

But fortunately for her, GAF is full of limp dick simps that will pity her at a drop of a trilby.

[Atramental]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=119156447#post119156447

to be fair, Europe is indeed fucked

May Allah guide Europe to Islam.

[Broseidon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=119156447#post119156447

to be fair, Europe is indeed fucked

May Allah guide Europe to Islam. (Image removed from quote.)

akhi

[Atramental]

Am I a cynical dick for saying that I'm a little tired of Leeness' "I'm so uggz omg" fishing for compliments shtick?

Nah. Leeness is one of many "psychic/emotional vampires" on GAF.

If everyone on GAF ignored her she would probably shut the fuck up, pack up her emotional baggage, and move on to some other online community to feast on the pity of a thousand limp dick simps.

But fortunately for her, GAF is full of limp dick simps that will pity her at a drop of a trilby.

Jesucristo, you sound so bitter almost like you want her simps

Nah. Not anymore.

Operation "Fem-Atra" is dead. 

[PlayDat]

Allen didn't apply for the job.  Her twitter feed seems to suggest that she's done with games writing for good. 

I'd say she's right to be upset.  There's a lot of talk about adding diversity to the biz, but these latest hires show that's all we ever get: talk.  With GB being  relatively young, small and personality driven, they're in a rare position to prove that fresh faces (of color and non-male genders) can be just as good if not better than the group of people we're used to.  I know why they went with the two white dudes (familiarity, a good "fit"* with the culture), but I'm still disappointed.  Doing something about homogeneity in the industry means occasionally taking risks on unproven talent.  Jenn Frank explains this better than I can.

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/JennFrank/20140327/214022/The_Rolodex.php 


Giant Bomb's community is horrible.  They ironically had a reputation for being above average early on, but that was back when they had <50K users.  Since I was somewhat active on their forums back then I can say that the community has always had an unhealthy attachment to the staff  (had weird threads like "which of the original 4 guys you wish were your dad" in addition to people being generally disturbingly attuned to details about their private lives).  Their reaction to Leigh Alexander on the E3 bombcast a couple years ago was especially embarrassing. 

Otherwise their forums are a lot like the gaming side of GAF but worse in many cases since the homogeneous staff is reflected in their userbase.  All this SJW shit is viewed as a real threat over there.  They view it as an attack on their founding fathers and have been overly defensive in recent months due to speculation that the new employee might be a woman and/or PoC.  I mean look at this thread for instance:
 
http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion-30/implied-boycott-against-giant-bomb-1487459/

Some games writers are agreeing not to join panels that have only white men on them.  Giant Bomb isn't mentioned anywhere on the site, yet their users still catch feelings.  The dickhead who made the thread even felt the need to tweet it at the person who started the tumblr.

The Giant Bombcast is still the GOAT video game podcast and I like the occasional quick look here and there, but fuck interacting with 90% of their fanbase.

Sidenote: How do I hyperlink regular text in this site's editor?


*This usually refers to a bunch of superficial horseshit anyway.

[Broseidon]

lotta words there

[Kara]

But worth reading.

e: Well except the use of SJW as an epithet, but no one's perfect.

[Pickles the Firecat]

I didn't want to say anything at the time but the fan reaction to Ryan Davis dying was super weird and over the top. Remember people feeling entitled to being told the cause of death? The GB fanbase is way, way, way, way too personally invested in those guys.

[Himu]

I LIKE THEM FOR THEIR PERSONALITY

[Pickles the Firecat]

I LIKE THEM FOR THEIR PERSONALITY

adding a minority might throw off their chemistry

how would I be able to relate to someone like that? and why would they want to disrupt such a good thing?

they should just hire someone they already know and get along with. you know, a white guy

[fistfulofmetal]

Like Segata said earlier, the hiring of Dan and Jason has little to do with race, gender or any of that bullshit. They were hired because they are highly experienced in the key facets GB was looking for and known quantities. Plus, nepotism. It's the thing that causes pretty much every industry to become highly inclusive. Bringing race and gender into this argument is missing the real issue entirely.

You also have to take into account: the site currently employs TWO editors and ONE video producer in the SF office. They needed people who they KNEW would come in on day one and work.

[king of the internet]

I LIKE THEM FOR THEIR PERSONALITY

adding a minority might throw off their chemistry

how would I be able to relate to someone like that? and why would they want to disrupt such a good thing?

they should just hire someone they already know and get along with. you know, a white guy

Couldn't they get an attractive but seemingly attainable chick to join the cast? Nerds seem to love that.

[Shadow Mod]

Nepotism sure but maybe expand your friend pool if its so lacking in women and nonwhites.

Not exactly hard to find so lets not fucking pretend different, especially in SF.

[Pickles the Firecat]

Like Segata said earlier, the hiring of Dan and Jason has little to do with race, gender or any of that bullshit. They were hired because they are highly experienced in the key facets GB was looking for and known quantities. Plus, nepotism. It's the thing that causes pretty much every industry to become highly inclusive. Bringing race and gender into this argument is missing the real issue entirely.

You also have to take into account: the site currently employs TWO editors and ONE video producer in the SF office. They needed people who they KNEW would come in on day one and work.

You can make excuses for them all day. Legitimate ones, too. The bottom line is a lot of the Giant Bomb guys love to advocate for progressive hiring and design practices in the industry, but when it's their turn to make a decision they balk. Do you think Ubisoft doesn't have hard decisions to make when it comes to diversity hiring? Activision? EA? So why don't they get a pass when Giant Bomb does?

I don't want to hear industry leading diversity and inclusion talk from a group of white guys who have yet to look outside their extended group of white guy friends for hiring. The hire itself is fine, I'm sure both of them will be solid and contribute a lot. I'm sure I'll enjoy them when I listen to the podcast from time to time. But in the big picture, there's a lot of talk coming from Giant Bomb in general and not a whole lot of action.

Nepotism is an issue that effects all races. It just so happens that it effects almost the entire minority community--racial minorities, women, and non-cis men--because most of us are new to the professional marketplace. Which makes it more important from the perspective of minority rights advocates.

[Phoenix Dark]

Nerds hiring their buddies and producing content their nerd fanbase enjoys. I'm finding it hard to give a shit about this. Perhaps the spurned applications should, you know, maybe form their own podcast and build up some experience instead of crying on twitter.

[PlayDat]

But worth reading.

e: Well except the use of SJW as an epithet, but no one's perfect.

I didn't mean it like that.  At times I can be the very definition of social justice warrior.

Also can I get a fucking break with this above-it-all "both sides are just as bad" garbage?  Comes up way too often in heated discussions and adds absolutely nothing.  At best it deprives one side of their right to be angry and at worst you're giving legitimacy to a point of view that ought to be ignored by equating the two.

[Shadow Mod]

Nerds hiring their buddies and producing content their nerd fanbase enjoys. I'm finding it hard to give a shit about this. Perhaps the spurned applications should, you know, maybe form their own podcast and build up some experience instead of crying on twitter.

Or if you truly are a progressive advocate try a bit harder and be more inclusive instead of paying lip service.

[Phoenix Dark]

Nerds hiring their buddies and producing content their nerd fanbase enjoys. I'm finding it hard to give a shit about this. Perhaps the spurned applications should, you know, maybe form their own podcast and build up some experience instead of crying on twitter.

Or if you truly are a progressive advocate try a bit harder and be more inclusive instead of paying lip service.

Maybe they are, and just didn't find the right person. Being inclusive doesn't mean just randomly hiring someone to fill your quota.

[Shadow Mod]

Nerds hiring their buddies and producing content their nerd fanbase enjoys. I'm finding it hard to give a shit about this. Perhaps the spurned applications should, you know, maybe form their own podcast and build uup some experience instead of crying on twitter.

Or if you truly are a progressive advocate try a bit harder and be more inclusive instead of paying lip service.

Maybe they are, and just didn't find the right person. Being inclusive doesn't mean just randomly hiring someone to fill your quota.

Always the convenient excuse and mostly bullshit from what I have seen. The most qualified always being white men.

[Pickles the Firecat]

Nerds hiring their buddies and producing content their nerd fanbase enjoys. I'm finding it hard to give a shit about this. Perhaps the spurned applications should, you know, maybe form their own podcast and build up some experience instead of crying on twitter.

Or if you truly are a progressive advocate try a bit harder and be more inclusive instead of paying lip service.

Maybe they are, and just didn't find the right person. Being inclusive doesn't mean just randomly hiring someone to fill your quota.

Do you really think they had zero qualified, well adjusted, solid people who would fit in with their staff that applied and happened to be some kind of minority?

My read on this is: they wanted to bring in two buddies, so they brought in two buddies. They never thought of how it would look for a group of white guys to hire two more white guys while simultaneously bitching about how many white guys run the industry. They went with what's comfortable, reliable, and easy. Which is exactly how and why so many white guys run the industry. None of that is malicious. None of that is intentionally racist. But it's a clear cut example of how minorities are disadvantaged in tech industries.

Diversity hiring is hard in a lot of situations because it challenges people in positions of power to step outside of their comfort zone in a real and meaningful way. If you can't do that, you don't get to criticize the next person for it.

[Broseidon]

liberalism

[Shadow Mod]

Consider that you might not be much of an advocate or activist if you don't actually try harder. And for shits and giggles let's say the most qualified are white men, WONDER WHY THAT is, maybe the self-fulfilling/shit ass cycle that ignores promoting the nonwhite/nonmale ones?

[recursivelyenumerable]

I wish i could still experience white privilege. When I was thin and less crazy it was great but now that I am morbidly obese and have imaginary conversations while walking around people laugh, mock and shun me.

I'm not even threatening enough to be feared They don't even hide that shit. They see me schizing out and go instead of

The Crazy by itself does dampen some of your normal white male privilege but if you play things right and occasionally produce something other people can't you can turn it around into Mad Genius privilege which is pretty much the highest possible form of white male privilege and lets you get away with more or less anything. I've had it briefly in a couple of past jobs and social groups and it's awesome.

[Phoenix Dark]

Consider that you might not be much of an advocate or activist if you don't actually try harder. And for shits and giggles let's say the most qualified are white men, WONDER WHY THAT is, maybe the self-fulfilling/shit ass cycle that ignores promoting the nonwhite/nonmale ones?

We're talking about a podcast. Run by a bunch of nerds stuck in a perpetual level of adolescence yet who are indeed growing older (on the outside at least). If this is the hill you want to die on while hand wringing over discrimination more power to you, but it strikes me as asinine.

Anyone can make a podcast. And while not everyone can make a podcast as popular or important as GB (at least from what I've heard, I haven't listened to it outside of random E3 viewings), the door of opportunity is wide open for anyone to gather some friends together and provide interesting content. We're not talking about Hollywood, nor are we talking about Wall Street. We're talking about the internet. If these spurned people want to make a podcast, or their own Twitch show, or their own Youtube channel, nothing is stopping them. And it sounds like many have ties to the gaming community and industry, so I'd imagine they'd be able to provide interesting content.

[PlayDat]

Nerds hiring their buddies and producing content their nerd fanbase enjoys. I'm finding it hard to give a shit about this. Perhaps the spurned applications should, you know, maybe form their own podcast and build up some experience instead of crying on twitter.

What makes you think they aren't already doing this?  Allen didn't apply for the job, but she does have her own Sore Thumbs podcast.  There are sites like reactionzine that aim to be more inclusive.

Something I'm growing increasingly concerned about with all this lip service being paid to equality is that we're all talking into really small echo-chamber.  Your post and a lot of other comments in past 24 hours prove that a lot people have no idea these kinds of places exist.  They aren't following the conversation at all aside from being exposed just enough to know to be angry over it.

Reactionzine ran an indiegogo last year and barely reached a quarter of their goal.  There's certainly progress being made.  I just wish we were moving beyond a snail's pace.

[recursivelyenumerable]

I'm not sure if PD is trolling, but I actually think "a bunch of nerds hiring their friends and people like them", etc., is how a lot of exclusionary/privilege structures actually operate.

[hampster]

I doubt anyone is looking to giantbomb for change. Rather the giantbomb fanbase keeps antagonizing people who care about diversity and egging them on into making some kind of comment the fanbase can then latch onto and freak out about. One of the figures in that whole mess wrote an article about feeling like an outsider at GDC and in the industry as a whole and mentioned in the article that she was disappointed she never got a callback giantbomb. Basically zero animosity but of course people harassed her for it. Which leads to a reaction on twitter followed by a bunch of "I agree with your point but not your tone " bullshit from the peanut gallery and around we go

[Pickles the Firecat]

I think the industry needs a lot more diversity, especially in the traditional space (the top mobile sites are about 50% female in terms of writers), but looking to Giant Bomb to start that trend is probably a non-starter.  If you had to describe Giant Bomb in one sentence "fratboy nerds playing games on the sofa while Patrick sits in the corner doing everyone's homework" would probably do the job.

Fratboy nerds aren't black, asian, hispanic, gay, trans, or anything other than white men? In California? In San Francisco?

I don't believe there was any sexist intent in these hires, as I'm quite sure they're just his friends, and while you can say "diversify your friends yo", that's a pretty weird thing to try to do when you're over 30 and have your life pretty well in order.  I kind of have all the friends that my life can reasonably support right now, so I'm not exactly out looking, and if I were to do something weird like that, I doubt I'd be doing it with a mind to racial/gender diversification.

I don't think there was anything actively sexist or racist done by Giant Bomb, but they definitely upheld longstanding hierarchical and structural prejudices against minorities in the work place. And it was so strongly ingrained that they never thought twice about it even as they pushed for reform within the industry at large. They are the problem they complain about and it should be apparent to them now.

That doesn't mean it's not a problem.  It absolutely is, and with their high profile in certain areas of gaming, Giant Bomb could really make a statement by getting behind someone other than a white dude.  It's just that I have no expectations of any proper change starting with them and their community.

People only have that expectation because it's something they talk about and advocate for freely on their large, influential media outlet. I'm not going to apologize for holding someone to their own standards 

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not sure if PD is trolling, but I actually think "a bunch of nerds hiring their friends and people like them", etc., is how a lot of exclusionary/privilege structures actually operate.

I know the good ole boy system is in full effect, trust me. But I'm sorry, I don't view this as the same thing. Nor is this a situation where other people can't break into the...podcast game.

[Shadow Mod]

No one really cares about the podcast game here so much as "we expect this change but damn if we're going to do it ourselves either."

[Pickles the Firecat]

tbh if a group of minorities with at least one hot woman and one semi-attractive, down-to-earth indie music type were willing to completely and utterly sell out Chobot style there's an open and willing market ready to be exploited  in the gaming podcast realm

[Shadow Mod]

Just podcast it out of Oakland from someone's stoop.

[StealthFan]

I wish i could still experience white privilege. When I was thin and less crazy it was great but now that I am morbidly obese and have imaginary conversations while walking around people laugh, mock and shun me.

I'm not even threatening enough to be feared They don't even hide that shit. They see me schizing out and go instead of

The Crazy by itself does dampen some of your normal white male privilege but if you play things right and occasionally produce something other people can't you can turn it around into Mad Genius privilege which is pretty much the highest possible form of white male privilege and lets you get away with more or less anything. I've had it briefly in a couple of past jobs and social groups and it's awesome.

[Himu]

Oscar is saying everything I said on last page. Agree completely. No Andrex.

[Pickles the Firecat]

The first thing, my image of nerdy fratboys is largely straight white boys.  Maybe a couple asians?  You may have a higher opinion of fraternities than I do.

I just spent too much time in Greek life. My girlfriend was in a sorority and I was almost president of an all-black fraternity myself. Got too acclimated with the very special and unique brand of Greek Life nerdery that exists and is most definitely multi-racial. Some of the nerd-bro-est Greek nerd-bros I've met were asian and black.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I would have been the only member of that frat, the entire chapter was four dudes and they were all graduating out. It was part of a larger resume building scheme foiled by the SDSU chapter calling bullshit on me. Fuck SDSU I should be a state senator right now.

[close]

[Rufus]

Giantbomb seems to attract a strong posse from the anti-social, embittered manlet set. Trust some of these posters consider the GB their social circle.

This was one of the memes in the GB threads on GAF when I still read them. Probably still is.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=119156447#post119156447

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=119161052&postcount=298

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=119162318&postcount=303

Just say things.

[Kara]

I didn't mean it like that.  At times I can be the very definition of social justice warrior.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sorry. 

[close]

[Rufus]

I doubt anyone is looking to giantbomb for change. Rather the giantbomb fanbase keeps antagonizing people who care about diversity and egging them on into making some kind of comment the fanbase can then latch onto and freak out about. One of the figures in that whole mess wrote an article about feeling like an outsider at GDC and in the industry as a whole and mentioned in the article that she was disappointed she never got a callback giantbomb. Basically zero animosity but of course people harassed her for it. Which leads to a reaction on twitter followed by a bunch of "I agree with your point but not your tone " bullshit from the peanut gallery and around we go

I wonder if it'd have been any different if that whole Leigh Alexander thing hadn't happened, or the GB crew hadn't openly mocked her drunk ass on the show.

The first thing, my image of nerdy fratboys is largely straight white boys.  Maybe a couple asians?  You may have a higher opinion of fraternities than I do.  What I'm saying is that they're a pack of culturally insensitive idiots outside of Patrick, so seeing them act like a pack of culturally insensitive idiots isn't surprising me.

Dan Ryckert is a perfect fit.

[larrydavid]

the Giant Bomb community really does seem like such a cesspool, the whole cult of personality worship description is dead on, I've never seen a group of people who are so defensive. It was funny to watch poor Crushed continue to patiently and repeatedly explain why "THEY SHOULD ONLY HIRE PEOPLE WHO ARE QUALIFIED" was so asinine until he eventually gave up in disgust.

the five year Leigh Alexander grudge is also pretty pathetic

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=119156447#post119156447

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=119161052&postcount=298

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=119162318&postcount=303

Just say things.

This sounds like the Euro version of "My mom's friend saw this one guy buying cigarettes and booze with his EBT card, for reals!"

[Rufus]

Some fools honestly think we're about to see sharia law enforced over here. The modern bogey man.

[tiesto]

I'm not really too familiar with Euro politics, but hasn't the backlash against multiculturalism been steadily increasing, to the point where some conservative parties are getting elected?

Fear of immigration 'changing the character' of nations always gets me, since they always assume that second and third generation families will keep the high birthrates of their parents/grandparents.

[Shadow Mod]

Some fools honestly think we're about to see sharia law enforced over here. The modern bogey man.

Ironically if they would let people integrate without being such douchebags they'd find that the more education and opportunities that arise for peoples means less fundamentalism. Cracking the whip does the opposite though.