Author Topic: Ninja Gaiden 3 Beta's Edge (Read 3868 times)

demi · « **on:** March 14, 2013, 01:12:17 PM »

I'm very interested to hear iconoclast's impressions -- but as someone who could only stomach up to Level 3 (or 4?) of the original. Is this FINAL MAYBE? version worth looking at?

mjemirzian · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2013, 02:31:00 PM »

From playing the PS3 demo: no. It's slightly improved, but still nowhere near PlatinumGames, DMC, MGR, NGB, NG2, etc.

bork · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2013, 03:28:47 PM »

I tried Ayane's game for a bit and found it hard to see where she was at times. $:-\$

drew · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:51:06 PM »

looking to a karmafag for gaiden impressions...

2012+1

MCD · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2013, 01:47:48 AM »

I feel like shit so I might buy this to suffer more

Purple Filth · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2013, 04:09:40 PM »

Playing this demo and WTF?

The Alchemist enemy is interesting at least.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2013, 02:43:45 PM »

This shit is ass still.

Quote from: drew on March 14, 2013, 05:51:06 PM

looking to a karmafag for gaiden impressions...

2012+1

says the guy who cheated to get to the top of the NGBlack leaderboard

maxy · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2013, 10:19:53 AM »

stolen from duck

Quote

Koei Tecmo put out a press release today announcing reorgnizations to their corporate and development structure. The main point of interest is that Team Ninja is being split into Ichigaya Development Group 1 and Ichigaya Development Group 2.

Yosuke Hayashi, currently head of Team Ninja, will be the head of Ichigaya Development Group 1, and Keisuke Kikuchi, currently a senior manager in Team Ninja, will be the head of Ichigaya Development Group 2.

http://www.koeitecmo.co.jp/php/pdf/news_20130325.pdf

bork · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2013, 02:35:06 PM »

Where is the reorganization? Team Ninja was already the NG and DOA teams.

Now it's...the NG and DOA teams.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2013, 02:55:12 PM »

RIP Team Ninja! you were cool last gen and a poop slowly sliding into a pool of piss this gen.

maxy · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2013, 03:08:11 PM »

What is Itagaki doing these days?

Beezy · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2013, 03:22:39 PM »

Quote from: maxy on March 25, 2013, 03:08:11 PM

What is Itagaki doing these days?

Seriously, what happened to that game he was making? Did it get cancelled?

bork · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2013, 03:39:53 PM »

Is he still working on Devil's Third?

MCD · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2013, 03:50:12 PM »

You can find him drunk and wasted at some bar in Shinjiku.

Rufus · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2013, 04:08:16 PM »

Last I heard they had to switch engines because they were licensing the original engine through THQ. Dunno if they have a new publisher yet, but supposedly it's moved to next-gen, provided it's not (already?) binned.

maxy · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2013, 04:16:21 PM »

No Ninja Gaiden Black,Bayonetta quality like games on Rango = shitty Rango

Take note M$$$

cool breeze · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2013, 04:22:22 PM »

there's that crytek kinect game. bloodslash?

yeah, devil's third was announced years ago, and only troubling news since then. looked cool from what was shown.

maxy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2013, 04:27:23 PM »

Crytek = 20 fps flashy graphics

Rufus · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2013, 04:30:59 PM »

Ryse? Might as well be Bloodslash though. Cutmens. Clangswords. Lookafool Swordmurder.

maxy · « **Reply #19 on:** March 25, 2013, 04:37:59 PM »

At least Bayonetta 2 is being made.

Nintendo

bork · « **Reply #20 on:** April 03, 2013, 04:11:18 PM »

I bought this

Why did I buy this

Did I not learn my lesson from Sigma 2+

What is this self-torture

Hayashi pls

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #21 on:** April 03, 2013, 04:16:42 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on April 03, 2013, 04:11:18 PM

I bought this

Why did I buy this

Did I not learn my lesson from Sigma 2+

What is this self-torture

Hayashi pls

i didn't even buy this.

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 03, 2013, 05:16:27 PM »

The original was kind of fun. Just not as good as NG1. Hell, I'd buy this just for Ayane.

MCD · « **Reply #23 on:** April 03, 2013, 05:18:08 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on April 03, 2013, 04:11:18 PM

I bought this

Why did I buy this

Did I not learn my lesson from Sigma 2+

What is this self-torture

Hayashi pls

You even questioned me once for buying NGS+

I'm watching you, mod.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #24 on:** April 04, 2013, 12:19:36 AM »

I dodged the bullet that was NG3. Should I tempt fate and give this one a buy?

Trent Dole · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2013, 12:37:48 AM »

Sells for $40 new. That's reasonable enough for a reissue thing. Looks like a mess around with for $20 game to me if I were one to care about Team Ninja Dog Gaiden.

bork · « **Reply #26 on:** April 04, 2013, 08:25:03 AM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on April 04, 2013, 12:19:36 AM

I dodged the bullet that was NG3. Should I tempt fate and give this one a buy?

Try the demo. It even lets you transfer your save data over (for karma points).

Quote from: MCD on April 03, 2013, 05:18:08 PM

Quote from: bork laser on April 03, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
I bought this

Why did I buy this

Did I not learn my lesson from Sigma 2+

What is this self-torture

Hayashi pls
You even questioned me once for buying NGS+

I'm watching you, mod.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #27 on:** April 04, 2013, 09:30:13 AM »

It seems like an ok hack and slash now. Not as good as NG Black or NG2, but few action games are. If I can enjoy the God of War series I can dig this for what it is. From my time with the demo, the most effective way to deal with low level enemies is dodge then trigger the insta-kill cinematic.

demi · « **Reply #28 on:** April 04, 2013, 09:31:29 AM »

iconoclast raped this game on Super Master Ninja, he can give us the hot nintendo insider tips.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2013, 10:51:16 AM »

Quote from: bork laser on March 25, 2013, 03:39:53 PM

Is he still working on Devil's Third?

Seems safe to say Devil's Third and Valhalla are either dead or in the middle of some major changes/planning. I'm gonna assume the former.

bork · « **Reply #30 on:** April 04, 2013, 11:24:43 AM »

I played through the first level yesterday. Pretty standard stuff. Then all of a sudden YOU LOSE YOUR SWORD AND ONLY HAVE A BOW TO USE. WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

mjemirzian · « **Reply #31 on:** April 04, 2013, 11:41:16 AM »

Quote from: demi on April 04, 2013, 09:31:29 AM

iconoclast raped this game on Super Master Ninja, he can give us the hot nintendo insider tips.

He should set up a 1-900 number. I am pretty sure he is the most skilled gamer that posts on this forum, as far as action games and shoot em ups go.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #32 on:** April 04, 2013, 11:56:00 AM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on April 04, 2013, 11:41:16 AM

Quote from: demi on April 04, 2013, 09:31:29 AM
iconoclast raped this game on Super Master Ninja, he can give us the hot nintendo insider tips.
He should set up a 1-900 number. I am pretty sure he is the most skilled gamer that posts on this forum, as far as action games and shoot em ups go.

"hello, iconoclast here, how may I help you?"

"I'm stuck on MNM in NG2 360."

"Okay, first, are you me?"

"what?

"ARE YOU ME?"

"No?"

"good luck then, bye"

bork · « **Reply #33 on:** April 04, 2013, 12:41:05 PM »

Quote from: Don Flamenco on April 04, 2013, 11:56:00 AM

"I'm stuck on MNM in NG2 360."

MCD · « **Reply #34 on:** April 04, 2013, 12:53:01 PM »

icono got videos, you can just watch those.

He also helped me a ton on various games.

but I invited him so back off.

bork · « **Reply #35 on:** April 04, 2013, 02:14:06 PM »

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #36 on:** April 04, 2013, 04:24:51 PM »

the wrestling pic is lost on me, please explaing

anything short of "I wanna shove hot nails in my dick rather than play this" and it's not accurate

bork · « **Reply #37 on:** April 04, 2013, 04:26:31 PM »

MNM was a WWE tag team. Joey Mercury, Johnny Nitro, and Melina, the manager.

MCD · « **Reply #38 on:** April 04, 2013, 04:32:03 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on April 04, 2013, 04:26:31 PM

MNM was a WWE tag team. Joey Mercury, Johnny Nitro, and Melina, the manager.

What a nerd.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #39 on:** April 04, 2013, 05:45:08 PM »

Says the guy posting on a goddamn videogame discussion forum.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #40 on:** April 04, 2013, 09:41:10 PM »

Quote from: bork laser on April 04, 2013, 04:26:31 PM

MNM was a WWE tag team. Joey Mercury, Johnny Nitro, and Melina, the manager.

I'd wiggle her plastic bags

bork · « **Reply #41 on:** April 05, 2013, 08:06:01 AM »

Quote from: MCD on April 04, 2013, 04:32:03 PM

Quote from: bork laser on April 04, 2013, 04:26:31 PM
MNM was a WWE tag team. Joey Mercury, Johnny Nitro, and Melina, the manager.
What a nerd.

\

Quote from: Don Flamenco on April 04, 2013, 09:41:10 PM

Quote from: bork laser on April 04, 2013, 04:26:31 PM
MNM was a WWE tag team. Joey Mercury, Johnny Nitro, and Melina, the manager.

I'd wiggle her plastic bags

Definitely plastic.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #42 on:** April 05, 2013, 01:30:06 PM »

wait this is only $40?

bork · « **Reply #43 on:** April 05, 2013, 02:44:53 PM »

Raban · « **Reply #44 on:** April 05, 2013, 02:49:37 PM »

Quote from: Don Flamenco on April 05, 2013, 01:30:06 PM

wait this is only $40?

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smh

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #45 on:** April 06, 2013, 11:21:43 AM »

it was just a moment of weakness. Nothing 10 minutes of umvc3 couldn't fix...and also that horrible NYC stage in NGS2+

I was thinking how much I hate that NYC stage and realized the stage design in NG2 as a whole is pretty goddamn terrible.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #46 on:** April 06, 2013, 02:34:22 PM »

General consensus is that it's a decent NG series game, as opposed to an atrocity. Ultimate Ninja difficulty is apparently absurd. People are trying to infinite karma glitch through it and still having a hard time.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #47 on:** April 06, 2013, 05:17:54 PM »

it's time to admit to myself that I'm only a fan of NG1 and Black and sort of Sigma 1.

Raban · « **Reply #48 on:** April 06, 2013, 05:33:02 PM »

Iconoclast can come in here with a more technical analysis I'm sure, but I think Ninja Gaiden 2 is great.

It makes a number of significant improvements to the combat and just looks better (performing an Izuna Drop turns enemies into giblet confetti), but I'll happily concede that it isn't as good of an "experience" as Ninja Gaiden Black. Black has some quieter moments sprinkled throughout that even out the pacing and you spend a decent chunk of time grappling with the levels themselves, not just enemies. In comparison, NG2 is all about fucking dudes up and giving you a litany of tools to accomplish that.

Purple Filth · « **Reply #49 on:** April 06, 2013, 05:45:17 PM »

Quote from: Don Flamenco on April 05, 2013, 01:30:06 PM

wait this is only $40?

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You bought Sigma 2 plus at full price so i'm not surprised

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #50 on:** April 06, 2013, 06:24:46 PM »

yeah, that was pretty dumb. it's already deleted. Maybe I'll do the extra modes one day, but man Sigma 2...how could I forget how boring it is.

Quote from: Raban on April 06, 2013, 05:33:02 PM

Iconoclast can come in here with a more technical analysis I'm sure, but I think Ninja Gaiden 2 is great.

It makes a number of significant improvements to the combat and just looks better (performing an Izuna Drop turns enemies into giblet confetti), but I'll happily concede that it isn't as good of an "experience" as Ninja Gaiden Black. Black has some quieter moments sprinkled throughout that even out the pacing and you spend a decent chunk of time grappling with the levels themselves, not just enemies. In comparison, NG2 is all about fucking dudes up and giving you a litany of tools to accomplish that.

I might like NG2 better if the game were balanced better. Normal is more exploitable than a thai prostitute, Mentor starts to hint at the bullshit and confines the moves you could/should use. MNM...way past the point of being fun at all. Having too much shit on the screen at once while being at risk of grabs, guard breaks, etc. is not cool (i know that's ironic since i'm a big mvc3 fan. but that's different.)

I wouldn't say anything is improved in the combat, it's just different. The combat engine in NG1 is the combat engine that game needs and same with NG2. Then Hayashi went just ctrl-C, ctrl-V'ing parts of all the games into later iterations, which did not work out so well.

Raban · « **Reply #51 on:** April 06, 2013, 06:40:10 PM »

Quote from: Don Flamenco on April 06, 2013, 06:24:46 PM

I wouldn't say anything is improved in the combat, it's just different. The combat engine in NG1 is the combat engine that game needs and same with NG2. Then Hayashi went just ctrl-C, ctrl-V'ing parts of all the games into later iterations, which did not work out so well.

I agree with this, but generally I still feel like the changes in Ninja Gaiden 2 made it a deeper combat system with more variety. I think the comparison between NG1 and 2 would be harder to make if the gameplay wasn't as iterative as it is.

I never got the chance to play MNM in NG2, so maybe my opinion isn't the most qualified.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #52 on:** April 06, 2013, 06:42:46 PM »

Meh, it's a decent hack and slash. It's not terrible like NG3 original was. Then again I'm not bitter due to buying the original.

Yeah I think being a fan of the MvC series pretty much excludes you from complaining about balance/bullshit issues.

People have got pretty far in NG2 MNM no hurt runs. It's not that bad.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #53 on:** April 06, 2013, 07:01:09 PM »

Quote from: Raban on April 06, 2013, 06:40:10 PM

Quote from: Don Flamenco on April 06, 2013, 06:24:46 PM
I wouldn't say anything is improved in the combat, it's just different. The combat engine in NG1 is the combat engine that game needs and same with NG2. Then Hayashi went just ctrl-C, ctrl-V'ing parts of all the games into later iterations, which did not work out so well.

I agree with this, but generally I still feel like the changes in Ninja Gaiden 2 made it a deeper combat system with more variety. I think the comparison between NG1 and 2 would be harder to make if the gameplay wasn't as iterative as it is.

I never got the chance to play MNM in NG2, so maybe my opinion isn't the most qualified.

here's a good example...it's basically all tricks and exploits:

NG1 is about that battle timer, rather than survival. It's a fully balanced game for the most part, which they had to do to make the timer/score system relevant. NG2 doesn't really have those constraints and suffers for it, imo. There's a score system, but it's basically illusory. though i know Iconoclast likes NG2 better.

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Author Topic: Ninja Gaiden 3 Beta's Edge (Read 3868 times)