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« Reply #840 on: April 15, 2014, 04:51:21 PM »
Okay so whose dick do I need to suck (which DLC do I need to buy?) in order to play capture the flag?  I've never tried in BF4 and my X1 version is telling me that I am "missing one or more DLC on this server".  So I'm assuming i need to buy one of the DLC in order to play it?

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« Reply #841 on: April 15, 2014, 05:05:07 PM »
Second Assault I believe. I don't really care for ctf in battlefield though.


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« Reply #842 on: April 15, 2014, 06:36:19 PM »
Second Assault I believe. I don't really care for ctf in battlefield though.
whys that? I never cared for ctf but titanfalls version was awesome so I wanted to give it a try

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« Reply #843 on: April 15, 2014, 06:39:05 PM »
Second Assault I believe. I don't really care for ctf in battlefield though.
whys that? I never cared for ctf but titanfalls version was awesome so I wanted to give it a try

It's very bogged down in Battlefield. With that many people its very hard to effectively score or feel like you as an individual are helping very much.


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« Reply #844 on: April 15, 2014, 07:18:28 PM »
Second Assault I believe. I don't really care for ctf in battlefield though.
whys that? I never cared for ctf but titanfalls version was awesome so I wanted to give it a try

It's very bogged down in Battlefield. With that many people its very hard to effectively score or feel like you as an individual are helping very much.
I see. Thats kinda how I feel about obliteration sometimes too. Bah. Are there any good reasons to get the dlc?

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« Reply #845 on: April 15, 2014, 07:36:41 PM »
Caspian Border is a good map but its sometimes rubber-bandy.
Gulf of Oman is okay.
Metro is shit imo with 64 people. If they allowed rented servers on the console version it might be at least playable with 32 people.
Operation Firestorm is meh but I didn't really care for it in Battlefield 3 either.

So one good map. One shitty map. Two okay/meh maps. I can't really recommend it personally.

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« Reply #846 on: April 15, 2014, 07:48:20 PM »
Crap. I'll wait for a sale then. Thanks.

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« Reply #847 on: April 15, 2014, 10:14:30 PM »
Nah, CTF in BF's problem is too many idiots not understanding the mode and balacing roles in attack/defense. Either too little defense (so you lose) or too little offense (so you don't cap).

Throw in Javelins and the like and yeah... a bit of a  hassle. I still enjoy it now and then but only on four maps really kills the mode.

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« Reply #848 on: April 23, 2014, 09:32:47 AM »
Is this like sex for you guys?


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« Reply #849 on: April 23, 2014, 10:25:07 AM »
Battlepacks = "Oh hey, more equipment for guns I don't use!"
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« Reply #850 on: April 23, 2014, 12:10:11 PM »
Battlepacks = "Oh hey, more equipment for guns I don't use!"

Except when you get the gun battlepacks, then those are sort-of useful. Fill those out with a few lucky Golds and you get 25% boosts in those instead of something higher...  :lol :yuck

Only reason to open the Battlepacks is for the IRNV's that are Battlepack only and the 200% boosts for 2XP. Otherwise not worth the bother.

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« Reply #851 on: April 25, 2014, 02:53:32 PM »
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Hi everyone,

As you know, we’ve been looking into resolving the “rubber banding” that some players on certain platforms have experienced with Battlefield 4 after the recent release of Naval Strike. We’ve found that the root cause of the issue was a configuration of certain hardware types dedicated to 64-player matches.

We have invested in new hardware to resolve this issue and deployed new higher-performance servers this week. In preparation, we conducted a significant amount of testing before installing the new servers to ensure they would correct the issue. We are already seeing performance improvement with 64-player matches and expect this to continue.

While the process took longer than we would’ve liked, we wanted to be 100% sure it was done right and that the long-term solution was properly in place.

Our objective is to deliver the best player experience possible. We feel this solution helps us deliver that to you. Stay tuned to our official channels for more information.

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Karl Magnus Troedsson, DICE VP & GM

My xbox one controller is broken so I can't really test it out.

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« Reply #852 on: April 26, 2014, 10:08:13 AM »
I'm playing it on the PS4 but I definitely see "rubber banding" aplenty! I'll probably be on later tonight to see how much it's improved.

How'd you break your ONE controller? I hope not out of normal use!

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« Reply #853 on: April 26, 2014, 04:13:36 PM »
I have been playing exclusively on my x1 (got rid of the ps4) and I haven't had any serious rubber banding issues in weeks.

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« Reply #854 on: April 26, 2014, 04:17:25 PM »
I'm playing it on the PS4 but I definitely see "rubber banding" aplenty! I'll probably be on later tonight to see how much it's improved.

How'd you break your ONE controller? I hope not out of normal use!

My original developed analog stick drift. And the replacement they sent me was just plain defective.


I did play some Bf 4 last week while the controller was still working and I was definitely still experiencing rubber banding. That was before this "server upgrade" however.

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« Reply #855 on: May 05, 2014, 09:16:38 PM »
The game is a lot better on PS4 now if anyone cares.

And yeah the DLC maps have been pretty solid.

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« Reply #856 on: May 05, 2014, 09:19:41 PM »
I tried on PS4 about a week and a half ago.  Rubberbanding was still happening in the Naval Strike maps.  Is that still going on?
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« Reply #857 on: May 05, 2014, 09:23:49 PM »
I tried on PS4 about a week and a half ago.  Rubberbanding was still happening in the Naval Strike maps.  Is that still going on?
I've played 20+ games since the server updates. Maybe two had rubberbanding.

I got Premium a couple days ago and played a few games on Navel Strike. One had rubber banding.

So I think it's better compared to before when it seemed like every game would have rubber banding no matter what.

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« Reply #858 on: May 16, 2014, 10:46:22 AM »
If you haven't been following it recently BF 4 has a CTE which is basically a test environment on the PC version where they can make test changes before they get pushed out the general public.

 

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« Reply #859 on: May 24, 2014, 10:17:16 PM »
Thought this shit was fixed. I'm still getting rubberbanding on Naval Strike maps. Not as bad as before, but even a little is too much.
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« Reply #860 on: May 24, 2014, 11:04:08 PM »
Fortunately since getting my controller back I haven't really experienced much rubber-banding. Plenty of other bugs and the shitty default tick-rate. But not much rubber-banding.

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« Reply #861 on: May 25, 2014, 10:24:39 AM »
I haven't had any issues for the past two weeks. Seriously!

I mean besides being awful at the game.

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« Reply #862 on: June 03, 2014, 02:39:54 PM »
So finally the netcode patch has come which increases the tick rate from 10 to 30. This essentially should reduce the insane amount of times you get killed behind cover, trade kills, or get killed in random bullshit ways because what you are seeing doesn't actually represent what is happening in the game. It's out on PC now. Should come to consoles soon.



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« Reply #863 on: June 03, 2014, 03:20:36 PM »
I'll try it when I get home. I haven't played in a long time.
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« Reply #864 on: June 03, 2014, 04:35:52 PM »
Any improvement however small is worth it. BF 4 has probably the worst hit detection of any shooter I've played in years.

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« Reply #865 on: June 03, 2014, 09:11:37 PM »
Nice, I'll have to see how this is. I wasn't expecting them to actually do something this drastic with BF4 though it makes sense for them to keep working on Frostbite in a game that's in the wild.

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« Reply #866 on: June 03, 2014, 10:27:20 PM »
It's been a while but I think shooting dudes does feel better, especially with high rate of fire weapons. I didn't run into any kill trades in my couple of games tonight either.

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« Reply #867 on: June 04, 2014, 10:24:56 AM »
Update rolling out on ps4 and xbox one now.

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« Reply #868 on: June 04, 2014, 10:58:06 AM »
I bought this for PC but never played it after seeing all of your complaints. I'll finally give it a shot now.

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« Reply #869 on: June 04, 2014, 11:33:09 AM »
I bought this for PC but never played it after seeing all of your complaints. I'll finally give it a shot now.

Make sure you turn on the high frequency option. It's off by default.

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« Reply #870 on: June 04, 2014, 06:10:59 PM »
oh shit.  if they fixed the tick rate I am totally back in.  Remember how they kept denying it was a problem?  Yeah lol

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« Reply #871 on: June 05, 2014, 02:23:22 AM »
Played for about 5 hours tonight.

For me the difference was stark and noticeable immediately in a very positive way My hit registration was a lot better. My trade kills decreased. (they still happen but not at the crazy rate they use to for me). I still occasionally get killed behind walls. But the distance I'm able to run before getting killed is less insane than it use to be if that makes any sense.

So it was a relatively positive experience for me I would say. I enjoy it and I performed better than I normally do because I feel like for me at least, things made more sense as somebody who is almost solely an infantry player. Hip fire for instance never made sense to me in this game. It always seemed like a random roll of the dice but I was able to effectively hip fire on a somewhat consistent basis for the first time since the game launched. All this was based on xbox one play tonight. I'll try the PC version this weekend when I have more free time.

I'm happy about the patch and this is probably the first patch for me where I could actually notice the difference in something that actually mattered in the game. It's just very unfortunate that it took so long to reach what should have been the shipping version of the netcode.

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« Reply #872 on: June 20, 2014, 10:15:30 AM »
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-19-ea-addresses-unacceptable-battlefield-4-launch

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EA has addressed what the boss of the company has described as the "unacceptable" launch of Battlefield 4 - and detailed the new processes it has put in place to prevent it from happening again.

In detailed interviews with Eurogamer, EA CEO Andrew Wilson and DICE general manager Karl-Magnus Troedsson said the development teams behind the Battlefield series had learned their lesson the tough way after Battlefield 4 launched in a state many players labelled broken.

Battlefield 4 released late last year for PC, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One, with a target of 60 frames per second and 64-player multiplayer on next-gen consoles.

But at launch it ran into a number of problems, most notably in multiplayer, with many unable to play.

The problem was so bad that in December 2013 DICE said it had placed all of its expansions and "future projects" on the backburner while it put all hands on deck to focus on sorting out the mess.

"For clarity it wasn't actually a server problem for Battlefield 4," EA boss Andrew Wilson told Eurogamer. "It was a client side problem. Right now the game is playing extremely well, and people are in there and having a lot of fun. I'm still playing it."

So, what went wrong? Wilson said the game suffered because of its ambition.

"Think about what Battlefield 4 was: 64 player multiplayer, giant maps, 1080p, Levolution that was changing the gameplay design in an emergent way. There is a chance there are things you are going to miss through the development cycle. And you end up in a situation we had with Battlefield 4.

"For me, the situation we had was unacceptable. For the team it was unacceptable. We have worked tirelessly since then to make sure the gameplay experience got to where it absolutely should have been at launch and we're focused on that and we continue to deliver value to that player base.

"But when you do things like that you can never guarantee. It would be disingenuous for me to sit here and say, 'we will never have an issue again,' because that would mean we were never going to push the boundaries again. And I don't want to be that company. I want to be a company that pushes to lead and innovate and be creative. But you can start to do things that give you a better handle and a better view about what the potential challenges might be."

Wilson said EA is now trying to get the "final" version of the game in the bag earlier, providing the developers with more time to test.

"You can lengthen development cycles," he said. "You can give a much longer timeframe between final and launch to get a lot more testing on the game. You can change the development process whereby you have more stable build requirements throughout the entire set of development. You can start betas earlier so you get it out in the wild earlier with more people banging away at it.

"We have changed development processes, we've changed development timelines and we've changed testing processes and beta processes, all with a view to not have the issues again."

One accusation EA has faced since Battlefield 4 launched is that the game was rushed in order to hit the release of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and that DICE should have had more time to test the game.

Wilson denied this, however, insisting DICE had plenty of time to work on the game, before pointing to the challenge of creating a next-gen console launch title.
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« Reply #873 on: June 20, 2014, 12:48:17 PM »
You can just ctrl+h "battlefront 3" for that article six months after that's out
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« Reply #874 on: June 20, 2014, 12:53:29 PM »
They mean they put in place a process to prevent it from happening again during Battlefield 4's launch.

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« Reply #875 on: July 14, 2014, 04:07:57 PM »




Hopefully this DLC turns out well. My favorite maps are always the more infantry focused, city based maps. Aftermath from BF 3 was my favorite DLC and what they've shown seems more in line with that.
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« Reply #876 on: July 14, 2014, 05:04:45 PM »
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« Reply #877 on: July 14, 2014, 10:37:42 PM »
I've been having a lot of fun playing Conquest 32 on PS4 since the last patch. Conquest 64 is cool on paper but it's really too much of a clusterfuck for me and worse was that it always ran like dogshit for me with bad lag and jumpy framerate. Smaller conquest runs great and it feels like I'm having more of an impact on the game.

I'd like to know why it took them 9(!!!) months to enable it, though.

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« Reply #878 on: July 14, 2014, 11:54:20 PM »
Yeah having the option to play conquest small is nice on consoles. It's been there since day 1 on PC so yeah its weird it took them so long to implement it into the console version. Especially since the menu option for it in the server browser has been there all along.

The thing is some maps work really well with 64 like caspian. And some maps are a lot better with 32. Like Metro.


The other thing is I'll give some credit where its due. DICE LA has been doing a real nice job with the CTE. Most of the good stuff hasn't made its way over to the vanilla version of the game yet, but they are really doing some good stuff. It doesn't excuse the hot mess DICE Sweden pushed out to the public and that it took 8 or 9 months for the game to be in a much better state but what are you gonna do.

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« Reply #879 on: July 16, 2014, 01:56:45 AM »
I like Dragon's Teeth. Lots of gun on gun action which is my style. This was just on a 32 player server earlier. 64 is just nuts on these maps. Really fun.


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« Reply #880 on: July 16, 2014, 12:41:48 PM »
They are high on gun on gun action. There are few vehicles. If you prefer the heavy vehicle style of some maps you won't like these maps. That being said no these maps are not like metro. Metro (and lockers) is 3 or 4 choke points where everybody stands still and fires into the choke points because there is no way to flank and most battles turn into stalemates. These are large infantry based urban city maps where people move around. It's just that the vehicles play a much much smaller role than the base maps.

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« Reply #881 on: July 16, 2014, 03:10:18 PM »
I only like two of the maps. The other two are flaming dog shit.  :yuck DICE-LA doesn't have the DICE-SE magic.

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« Reply #882 on: July 29, 2014, 10:25:45 PM »
Don't like these maps :(

BF is not a replacement for COD

You'd think they'd learn after BF3's "Close Quarters," but NOPE.

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« Reply #883 on: July 29, 2014, 10:50:31 PM »
Don't like these maps :(


BF is not a replacement for COD

 :'(

Always unfortunate to spend money on something you end up not liking.

I love Propaganda.
I love Pearl Market even though that's controversial. Some people hate that one. But I love the ability to hop roofs and move around a very dense urban environment. I always seem to put up killer games on that map.
Lumphini is "okay". Not my favorite as its very sniper friendly.
Sunken Dragon I'm not a fan of. That one is balanced pretty poorly for one side.

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« Reply #884 on: July 30, 2014, 11:20:57 PM »
Lumphini is pretty and I'm sure the DICE artists had a field day with it, and I'm biased toward liking it in art-style. But Jesus Christ is it unbalanced on anything that isn't Chain Link/Conquest.

Just go look at the Chinese initial (AND only) spawn point while the US has like the entire park plus set designs for Obliteration. How did this get past DICE? The US has too much ground advantage for the Chinese. The Chinese have to REALLY dig in and work as a team which probably ain't ever gonna happen too often.

Propoganda is an alright map, but most of the "roads" are basically death traps with long sniper sightlines.

Sunken Dragon is just a poor map in general. I get the idea behind it, but since it doesn't need the levolution (just have the "Dragon Teeth" resturant be perma-flooded and maybe moved outwards with some building/bridge explosion destruction cover) it begs the question why it's even there at all when it can only be activated in one mode.

Pearl Garden is horrible though. I don't get the hate for Flood Zone (which a lot of people dislike) but I can totally understand it for Pearl Market. Barely any flanking ability and the routes up to the roof are all basically bad. Blech.

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« Reply #885 on: July 30, 2014, 11:32:43 PM »
I'm gonna give this another go on XboxOne sometime tonight if my download from EA access ever finishes. So if anyone wants to party it up and kill some dudes let me know.

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« Reply #886 on: July 31, 2014, 01:08:30 AM »
I don't get the hate for Flood Zone (which a lot of people dislike)

I hate Flood Zone. It encourages all the worst behavior I dislike in battlefield including shitloads of spawn beacon spipers on every roof imaginable. There is a fair amount of roof camping on Pearl Market also but at least I can get up there relatively easy myself and take them out with having to resort to spawn beacons myself or using a chopper every time. They don't have the insane long sight ways that the snipers have on Flood Zone. In addition there are at least 3 or 4 ways to the main roof tape area where the flag is so there are always ways for me to flank up there generally. 

Me playing on Pearl Market.



Every time I play Flood Zone all I hear is the annoying whiz of sniper bullet fire or DMR spam.
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« Reply #887 on: July 31, 2014, 01:09:19 AM »
I'm gonna give this another go on XboxOne sometime tonight if my download from EA access ever finishes. So if anyone wants to party it up and kill some dudes let me know.

Heading off to bed. Wouldn't mind trying to play with you in the future though.

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« Reply #888 on: July 31, 2014, 08:29:05 AM »
Every time I play Flood Zone all I hear is the annoying whiz of sniper bullet fire or DMR spam.

Console, or PC? Because when I play Flood Zone on Obliteration or Rush I don't have that problem. Because, Snipers are detrimental to their team. If they're camping the roof, they aren't arming objectives or going/stopping the bomb carrier in Obliteration. If they were on the ground or inside (which is generally the case for the bomb carrier unless they're stupid and not being in a vehicle outside) they can be a terror, sure.

Whereas in Pearl Market: Long sightlines on the ground, shorter sightlines on the roof but only ladders and like one stairway to get up there. The roof of last-set B is a notable example of the problem with Pearl Market You have a stairway to B or a "ladder" (which can be locked and can't be shot to open from the bottom) or you have to take a narrow "bridge"/forgetting the term for it and hop onto the roof because DICE didn't allow mounting if you overshoot the "jut" of the bridge to get there. Meanwhile they have 8-32 players up there to stop you from getting up there via those three methods. Two of which are coming from the same direction/nearly the same line of sight.

Flood Zone's problem with that is second set A where it's "indoors" and can be line of sighted via the hallway that nearly leads all the way down the buildings/indoors. But you can at least flank that by going up on the roof and crossing over three or four ways to get the person camping there. I haven't seen the ability to flank effectively in Pearl Market.

As far as DMR's: Far more effective if they are on the ground and in mid-range to spam it, coming from someone that tortured themselves (these were good in the beta DICE, why did you nerf them!?) with three of them for the faction specific (Chinese/American/Russian) assignments that had headshots with the faction's DMRs assignments. Anyone using DMR's as a sniper rifle from a roof is doing it wrong.

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« Reply #889 on: July 31, 2014, 11:59:19 AM »
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Console, or PC? Because when I play Flood Zone on Obliteration or Rush I don't have that problem. Because, Snipers are detrimental to their team. If they're camping the roof, they aren't arming objectives or going/stopping the bomb carrier in Obliteration. If they were on the ground or inside (which is generally the case for the bomb carrier unless they're stupid and not being in a vehicle outside) they can be a terror, sure.


Platform doesn't really matter in this case. As roof campers are equally abundant on either platform. The only difference being snipers are probably more effective/annoying on PC due to how accurate they can be with mouse and keyboard. Conquest for me always plays out exactly as I mentioned on Flood Zone. And roof camping is very effective in that mode.

In Rush its slightly less effective but still no less detrimental to the gameplay experience because its still very common to have either half your team or half the enemy team up there sniping which means they aren't helping attack or defend that much. And even if they are its not exactly fun to be defending when defense consists of containing parachuters from all angles. It's why in the CTE version of Rush they've removed choppers so you can't get up there anymore because so many were complaining how unenjoyable the map was in vanilla Rush.   

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Whereas in Pearl Market: Long sightlines on the ground, shorter sightlines on the roof but only ladders and like one stairway to get up there. The roof of last-set B is a notable example of the problem with Pearl Market You have a stairway to B or a "ladder" (which can be locked and can't be shot to open from the bottom) or you have to take a narrow "bridge"/forgetting the term for it and hop onto the roof because DICE didn't allow mounting if you overshoot the "jut" of the bridge to get there. Meanwhile they have 8-32 players up there to stop you from getting up there via those three methods. Two of which are coming from the same direction/nearly the same line of sight.

I was speaking mainly toward conquest regarding Pearl Market. I would agree the rush version of it is less good than the conquest one but ultimately that's a problem with most of the maps in Battlefield 4. Which is why nearly all the maps have had significant changes in overhauling Rush in cte. Battlefield 4 is not a good rush game in general sadly. It's clearly been designed with Conquest first and foremost which is unfortunate because I actually prefer Rush to Conquest although I play both.


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As far as DMR's: Far more effective if they are on the ground and in mid-range to spam it, coming from someone that tortured themselves (these were good in the beta DICE, why did you nerf them!?) with three of them for the faction specific (Chinese/American/Russian) assignments that had headshots with the faction's DMRs assignments. Anyone using DMR's as a sniper rifle from a roof is doing it wrong.

I don't really use DMR's myself but I know that from an elevated position which there are many on Flood Zone and slapping on a scope on those things, those guys can be a real big nuisance.

My ultimate problem with Flood Zone is actually a symptom of the map design in general with BF 4 which favors extreme verticality. So many of the maps allow players to spawn beacon up on to extreme elevated positions or put a squad up there via a chopper and then spawn beacon in. It ruins the gameplay on multiple levels because its annoying to get killed by them. It's annoying to have to constantly go to these places and clear them out if it actually happens to be a useful place to do this. And its annoying because its frustrating to have what feels like half your team doing it sometimes and not contributing anything useful to the team effort. Spawn beacons in specific and verticality in general need a large rethink for the next true battlefield game. The one way gameplay dynamic created here just isn't fun and it caters to the bad/detrimental playing habits of a certain segment of the playerbase.
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« Reply #890 on: July 31, 2014, 07:23:20 PM »
 :lol



Yeah I'm gonna try this out tonight.

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« Reply #891 on: July 31, 2014, 07:48:27 PM »
Now imagine you only had a PS3 to play it on.

Xbox one's are dropping in price with offers of giftcards and other incentives. Maybe you might want to pick up one of those or a PS4.

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« Reply #892 on: August 01, 2014, 01:09:26 PM »
Still haven't come to a conclusion about which system I'd like better. :(
on xbox one we can bro it out together.  problemo solved

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« Reply #893 on: August 02, 2014, 11:36:43 PM »
Tried to join your party Stoney , but I dont have all the dlc. Maybe next time.
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« Reply #894 on: August 02, 2014, 11:47:15 PM »
Tried to join your party Stoney , but I dont have all the dlc. Maybe next time.

Sorry about that. Next time we'll do the base maps

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« Reply #895 on: August 03, 2014, 06:09:03 AM »
Man I might reinstall and give this mp a shot.

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« Reply #896 on: August 04, 2014, 10:48:45 PM »
So my ea access discount is not applying to premium, but I'm thinking about buying premium regardless. People are still playing on Xbox one right?

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« Reply #897 on: August 05, 2014, 01:30:10 AM »
I still play on Xbox one.

The only thing I would say is that in retrospect I wouldn't have bought premium. I would have just bought two of the dlcs.

But that depends on what type of player you are.

China Rising is very vehicle-centric so I'm not a fan of it but obvious others might feel different.
Second Assault has Caspian Border which is great but Operation Metro and Firestorm which I don't like.
Naval Strike is an interesting DLC but there is a lot of water and boat combat kind of like Paracel Storm which some people don't like.
Dragon's Teeth is almost completely infantry which I loved but Business didn't like for interest.

Final Stand is the last one but that doesn't come out until the end of the year.

There are far fewer DLC servers but they do still exist.

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« Reply #898 on: August 05, 2014, 02:04:08 AM »
Sounds like what happened to me with BF3. I really only cared for that one infantry map pack. Ended up just sticking with those style maps & infantry only.

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« Reply #899 on: August 05, 2014, 06:14:34 AM »
Jesus those dlc servers have no one in them. I'm regretting my purchase already.