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So....mass school stabbing, I guess.
« on: April 09, 2013, 02:43:20 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/justice/texas-college-stabbing/index.html

14 injured, no one killed. Insert talking point of your choice here.
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Re: So....mass school stabbing, I guess.
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 02:47:13 PM »
If someone there had been carrying a gun innocent people wouldn't have got hurt. :usacry

Unless it was the stabbers that had the gun I guess.

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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2013, 02:47:39 PM »
That's a lot of injuries, but at least no fatalities are being reported.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2013, 02:49:03 PM »
If someone there had been carrying a gun innocent people wouldn't have got hurt. :usacry

Unless it was the stabbers that had the gun I guess.

Ya but only idiot stabbers carry guns

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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2013, 03:01:15 PM »
You'd think a couple of people would be able to subdue someone carrying a knife before over a dozen people were hurt
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2013, 03:07:56 PM »
You'd think a couple of people would be able to subdue someone carrying a knife before over a dozen people were hurt

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2013, 03:11:42 PM »
You'd think a couple of people would be able to subdue someone carrying a knife before over a dozen people were hurt
I don't even know how you would subdue someone with a knife, even with multiple people. Slash wounds alone are fucking dangerous, never mind getting stabbed.

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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2013, 03:12:20 PM »
Alleged mass stabber bludgeoned to death with laptops in backpacks.

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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2013, 03:58:36 PM »
You'd think a couple of people would be able to subdue someone carrying a knife before over a dozen people were hurt
I don't even know how you would subdue someone with a knife, even with multiple people. Slash wounds alone are fucking dangerous, never mind getting stabbed.

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2013, 04:15:37 PM »
survival training should be mandatory in every school, maybe in place of PE

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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 04:32:47 PM »
An obvious and shameful lack of knife control, obviously we need to pass more laws outlawing knives.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 04:35:40 PM »
Don't be irrational.  We only need to ban certain kinds of knives - Assault knives and ones made by the Swiss etc.  Knives used in hunting, dinner preparation, and home protection obviously need to stay.  You know in case our government goes fascist or adopts universal healthcare.     
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2013, 04:40:39 PM »
with proper training, any knife can kill


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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2013, 04:41:41 PM »
I find black knives to be particularly scary.

Do you mean all black or black handle with a silver blade mulatto knives?

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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2013, 04:44:40 PM »
he meant a black's knife

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2013, 05:00:22 PM »
WHITE KNIFE
EH EH EH EH EH EH EH
BLACK KNIFE
DOOP DOOP DOOP DOOP
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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2013, 05:02:02 PM »
can't stab someone with a gun!  Just sayin'!  thanks obama

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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2013, 05:19:36 PM »
An obvious and shameful lack of knife control, obviously we need to pass more laws outlawing knives.

Without knives, how can we prevent tyranny?

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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2013, 05:24:28 PM »
I like how in this thread everyone says what they don't mean and it's so funny.
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2013, 05:28:26 PM »
can't stab someone with a gun!

this is false.


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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2013, 05:29:24 PM »
Black, who would have guessed  ::)

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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2013, 05:40:51 PM »


how do you even REMEMBER a line from Surf Ninjas
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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2013, 05:45:09 PM »
Mandark, who I just discover isn't called Mandrake, is just one hypostasis of a great intelligence.   

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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2013, 05:51:52 PM »
how do you even REMEMBER a line from Surf Ninjas

How do you not?

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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2013, 05:53:04 PM »
about the only thing I can ever remember is random dumb lines from 80s/90s flicks


i could probably type the entire script to If Looks Could Kill right here and now

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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2013, 06:12:06 PM »


how do you even REMEMBER a line from Surf Ninjas

pretty much the best movie ever
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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2013, 06:32:18 PM »
So... isn't harder to get a knife than a gun in Texas?  Serious question.
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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2013, 07:43:05 PM »
...no.

you know how people say that there are no stupid questions? that was a stupid question.

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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2013, 07:56:38 PM »
no-one killed
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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2013, 02:00:51 AM »
Yeah, I'm not signing up to be stabbed or anything, but I'm enjoying the whole "no-one killed" aspect of this as well.

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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2013, 02:02:54 AM »
I'd rather be stabbed in Texas than shot in California
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2013, 02:52:17 AM »
Yeah, I think many people still assume it's the bullet hole which kills in gunshot wounds. I thought it was called "epistatic shock," but I'm clearly wrong there... found this:
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As a bullet enters the body, it causes laceration and crushing wounds. The bullet punctures tissue and bone, crushing or pushing aside anything in its path. When a bullet passes through tissue, it creates a cavity that can be 30 times wider than its track (the path it takes). This cavity closes behind the bullet less than a second after the bullet passes, but the cavitation it causes can damage nearby tissue, organs and bones via shock waves.

The type and amount of injury sustained from a bullet also depends on what a bullet encounters. Soft tissue can carry shock waves more easily than bone, but since bone is dense, it absorbs more force (and damage). Bones also splinter, causing further damage as the fragments travel through the body as projectiles themselves.

Which also lead to reading this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_St._Martin
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On June 6, 1822 Alexis St. Martin, at the fur trading post on Mackinac Island, was accidentally shot with a musket at close range. The charge of the musket shot left a hole through his side that healed to form a fistula aperture into his stomach.[3][4]
William Beaumont, a US Army surgeon stationed at a nearby army post, treated the wound. Although St. Martin was a healthy 20-year-old, he was not expected to recover due to the severity of his wound. Beaumont explains in a later paper that the shot blew off fragments of St. Martin's muscles and broke a few of his ribs. After bleeding him and giving him a cathartic, Beaumont marked St. Martin's progress. For the next 17 days, all food he ate re-emerged from his new gastric fistula. Finally after 17 days, the food began to stay in St. Martin's stomach and his bowels began to return to their natural functions. When the wound healed itself, the edge of the hole in the stomach had attached itself to the edge of the hole in the skin, creating a permanent gastric fistula. There was very little scientific understanding of digestion at the time and Beaumont recognized the opportunity he had in St. Martin - he could literally watch the processes of digestion by dangling food on a string into St. Martin's stomach, then later pulling it out to observe to what extent it had been digested. Beaumont continued to experiment on St. Martin off and on until 1833.
Alexis St. Martin allowed the experiments to be conducted, not as an act to repay Beaumont for keeping him alive, but rather because Beaumont had the illiterate St. Martin sign a contract to work as a servant. Beaumont recalls the chores St. Martin did: "During this time, in the intervals of experimenting, he performed all the duties of a common servant, chopping wood, carrying burthens, etc. with little or no suffering or inconvenience from his wound." Although these chores were not bothersome, some of the experiments were painful to St. Martin, for example when Beaumont had placed sacks of food in the stomach, Beaumont noted: “the boy complained of some pain and uneasiness at the breast.” Other symptoms St. Martin felt during experiments were a sense of weight and distress at the scrobiculus cordis and slight vertigo and dimness of vision.
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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2013, 03:15:20 AM »
'first, do no harm' my hairy Irish ass
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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2013, 03:30:40 AM »


how do you even REMEMBER a line from Surf Ninjas
This is the first movie I went to watch without parental supervision. I will never, ever forget it :bow

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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2013, 03:34:30 AM »
Knife wounds are definitely better than bullet wounds. For that reason, medieval combat was actually more humane and less deadly than modern combat, at least according to Face of Battle.

Dunno about more less deadly, given the gangrene and diseases that decimated armies after battles. I'd probably rather be blown to smithereens than take an arrow wound and slowly die of an infection.
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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2013, 08:53:51 AM »
Which also lead to reading this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_St._Martin
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On June 6, 1822 Alexis St. Martin, at the fur trading post on Mackinac Island, was accidentally shot with a musket at close range. The charge of the musket shot left a hole through his side that healed to form a fistula aperture into his stomach.[3][4]
William Beaumont, a US Army surgeon stationed at a nearby army post, treated the wound. Although St. Martin was a healthy 20-year-old, he was not expected to recover due to the severity of his wound. Beaumont explains in a later paper that the shot blew off fragments of St. Martin's muscles and broke a few of his ribs. After bleeding him and giving him a cathartic, Beaumont marked St. Martin's progress. For the next 17 days, all food he ate re-emerged from his new gastric fistula. Finally after 17 days, the food began to stay in St. Martin's stomach and his bowels began to return to their natural functions. When the wound healed itself, the edge of the hole in the stomach had attached itself to the edge of the hole in the skin, creating a permanent gastric fistula. There was very little scientific understanding of digestion at the time and Beaumont recognized the opportunity he had in St. Martin - he could literally watch the processes of digestion by dangling food on a string into St. Martin's stomach, then later pulling it out to observe to what extent it had been digested. Beaumont continued to experiment on St. Martin off and on until 1833.
Alexis St. Martin allowed the experiments to be conducted, not as an act to repay Beaumont for keeping him alive, but rather because Beaumont had the illiterate St. Martin sign a contract to work as a servant. Beaumont recalls the chores St. Martin did: "During this time, in the intervals of experimenting, he performed all the duties of a common servant, chopping wood, carrying burthens, etc. with little or no suffering or inconvenience from his wound." Although these chores were not bothersome, some of the experiments were painful to St. Martin, for example when Beaumont had placed sacks of food in the stomach, Beaumont noted: “the boy complained of some pain and uneasiness at the breast.” Other symptoms St. Martin felt during experiments were a sense of weight and distress at the scrobiculus cordis and slight vertigo and dimness of vision.
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The Science Channel had an episode of Dark Matters about that guy. Pretty interesting stuff.
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« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2013, 09:25:16 AM »
that was dramatized in an educational program which was shown to us in school.  a bit of food was dangled into this fake wound and then pulled out and via the magic of editing was smaller

it was strange made stranger by the "patient's" cry of "when will you stop experimenting on me and just HEAL me?"
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« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2013, 10:50:17 AM »
Knife wounds are definitely better than bullet wounds. For that reason, medieval combat was actually more humane and less deadly than modern combat, at least according to Face of Battle.

Dunno about more less deadly, given the gangrene and diseases that decimated armies after battles. I'd probably rather be blown to smithereens than take an arrow wound and slowly die of an infection.

you know we can treat infections now, right?
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« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2013, 11:07:56 AM »
I think PD was referring to medieval times

But we're talking about the difference in terms of a modern setting, though: a stabbing spree versus a shooting spree.
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« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2013, 11:11:01 AM »
I wonder if the person was baited into doing this. We should be looking out for this mass stab baiter.
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« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2013, 11:13:10 AM »
I wonder if the person was baited into doing this. We should be looking out for this mass stab baiter.

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« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2013, 11:49:29 AM »
That book has been in my amazon cart for awhile, I definitely need to just buy it
Knife wounds are definitely better than bullet wounds. For that reason, medieval combat was actually more humane and less deadly than modern combat, at least according to Face of Battle.

Dunno about more less deadly, given the gangrene and diseases that decimated armies after battles. I'd probably rather be blown to smithereens than take an arrow wound and slowly die of an infection.

you know we can treat infections now, right?
I'm not talking about getting shot with an arrow in 2013, I'm talking about like War Of the Roses era warfare.
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« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2013, 12:10:11 PM »
missed that part
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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2013, 12:38:01 PM »
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Chalfan, who said he took a drama class with the suspect, described him as eccentric and a target for bullies. "He dresses weird, he wears gloves and often carried around toys like stuffed animals. He was a really friendly kid ... a joyful person."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/10/texas-college-stabbings-student-charged

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« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2013, 12:59:04 PM »
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Chalfan, who said he took a drama class with the suspect, described him as eccentric and a target for bullies. "He dresses weird, he wears gloves and often carried around toys like stuffed animals. He was a really friendly kid ... a joyful person."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/10/texas-college-stabbings-student-charged

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« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2013, 02:24:45 PM »
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Chalfan, who said he took a drama class with the suspect, described him as eccentric and a target for bullies. "He dresses weird, he wears gloves and often carried around toys like stuffed animals. He was a really friendly kid ... a joyful person."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/10/texas-college-stabbings-student-charged

Need confirmation on whether any of the stuffed animals were of the equine variety.
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« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2013, 08:33:14 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2013, 08:39:21 PM »
Knife wounds are definitely better than bullet wounds. For that reason, medieval combat was actually more humane and less deadly than modern combat, at least according to Face of Battle.

Dunno about more less deadly, given the gangrene and diseases that decimated armies after battles. I'd probably rather be blown to smithereens than take an arrow wound and slowly die of an infection.

I don't think gangrene was that common until the invention of the musket which caused a lot of limbs to have to be amputated. If you have a large army marching around then obviously things like cholera and exhaustion will kill a lot of men before the battle.