Author Topic: was early 2000s indie rock/pop a premonition of 2010s corporate western society?  (Read 867 times)

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recursivelyenumerable

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In both its positive and negative aspects. Legit open-ended question. Discuss.
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recursivelyenumerable

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I suspect you're not drunk ENOUGH to understand my drunk std::thread. std indeed!
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Phoenix Dark

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In terms of the public being sold horribly overrated, bad music piled on top of each other, cheaply monetized to ensure market saturation, only to crash horribly towards the end of the aughts thus causing a recession, and culminating in this:


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I don't know buyt somebody put the rock back in rock n roll please.

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Yeah all that rolling gets kind of tiring after a while with nothing to break it up
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Got caught stealing yellowcake man

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I find Xfactor , American Idol, etc the absolute height of corporate culture genius....

How do you make the process of selecting which acts to fund from a high risk venture to a low risk one? How can we be sure new acts will be accepted by the general public?

Easy - we package that process up into a multi-million $ revenue generating venture in it's own right and we let the public tell us who they want, then we can sign up the popular acts and then sell them a product they already told us they want.


It's brilliant.

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Phoenix Dark

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I might be wrong but isn't Carrie Underwood the only Idol person to become a huge music star? Jennifer Hudson is also big, but moreso as an actress than singer.

Oh and Kelly Clarkson.
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Nah it was just shit
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I might be wrong but isn't Carrie Underwood the only Idol person to become a huge music star? Jennifer Hudson is also big, but moreso as an actress than singer.

Oh and Kelly Clarkson.

Wasn't Daughtry on American Idol too?  I don't think he won it though.

That's all I can really contribute to this thread.  Most of the stuff I listen to isn't any older than the 90's...
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I might be wrong but isn't Carrie Underwood the only Idol person to become a huge music star? Jennifer Hudson is also big, but moreso as an actress than singer.

Oh and Kelly Clarkson.

I don't know how it is now, but at the series' height I think pretty much any finalist in any season was guaranteed to sell a bajillion records.
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In both its positive and negative aspects. Legit open-ended question. Discuss.


Modest Mouse signing to Sony, Pavement gives up.

in the early 2000s, everything was classified by us as some type of -core, which was the last attempt at really breaking down indie music into discrete genres.   Along with that, the need to seek out lesser known acts on your own by actually going to places to see bands play started to die out and anybody could get into anything via the internet and probably buy the appropriate clothes online too.  The cultural value of music just started to plummet as more people did this...this happened to lots of things though, art in general.

The "anyone can access anything " aspect lead to mass nihilism or superficiality, not sure which, but whatever it was, it enabled corporate ad teams to co-opt any style they wanted.  So you've got a corporation selling something co-opted to a person who found their image online, without having to put any effort into it.  The modern listener/consumer in a feedback loop with various brands.  The musician is a dumb, irrelevant hipster until they make it and DIY is all about doing your own marketing for yourself.   

basically, as people who were late teens/20s around 2000 grew up, they took whatever was indie around that time with them and began marketing it more heavily in 2010s, while somehow the late 90s/2000s hipsters who produced the actual work (artists moving into run down neighborhoods, not the modern "whatever I hate that's different from me" usage) got a bit demonized, despite being the original heart of the operation.  And now technology lets anybody create or hear any kind of sound, so anybody can make any kind of sound and the origin and motivations don't really factor in at all.  With listener separated from artist, anyone can come in and be a middle man, but they know how to dress and act like the consumer too.

i'm tired and you asked too big of a question and i think i just figured out that some of my friends are assholes :lol
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