Will anyone be crazy enough to make a PS1 throwback game?

[Don Flamenco]

Complete with weird technical PS1 faults like shaky polygons, odd control schemes, 15fps, etc. 

I just got done testing out a bunch of shit that I picked up and it's amazing how awkward some of these games could be.    Was shocked to find that Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi was even less playable than Killing Zone.  And every 3D game I tried had its own unique way to give you arthritis via the control set up.   Crusader: No Remorse wins for the most odd scheme I think I've seen in a game (but after 10 minutes, it actually worked!) You hold down a button and press a direction to pick items, jump, duck, dodge, etc.  so each button has like 5 functions. 

[Great Rumbler]

I was really shocked when I went back and tried to play Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, couldn't believe how awkward and unresponsive the controls were. How did I ever manage to play those games for dozens and dozens of hours?

[Don Flamenco]

it's like stuff from that era is so bad, that it might not even get some indie revival love. 

edit: I also noticed something that must have been Sony policy/recommendation -- controller diagrams that show the L1/L2 etc. buttons are often upside down so L2/R2 function is on the bottom, as if the controller was facing away from you.  My brain can't process it.

[ToxicAdam]

You could say that something like Minecraft/Roblox is a throwback to that era.



I bought a PS1 on day one, but can't really think of a game from that era I would want to play again. Maybe Destruction Derby?

[Great Rumbler]

You could say that something like Minecraft/Roblox is a throwback to that era.

Kinda, but not really. Minecraft has very smooth and responsive controls, for one thing.

[Huff]

I was really shocked when I went back and tried to play Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, couldn't believe how awkward and unresponsive the controls were. How did I ever manage to play those games for dozens and dozens of hours?

I still have friends that play goldeneye and I just don't understand it

[ToxicAdam]

Kinda, but not really. Minecraft has very smooth and responsive controls, for one thing.

Hah, good point.


I played Jumping Flash again about 5 years ago and was laughing at how terrible it was/is. It makes me laugh when people cite that as a great launch game on the old PS1.

[cool breeze]

I have weird nostalgia for those control schemes.  Like...frontier input mapping.  People figuring out how you're supposed to control the game.

anyway, 3D games on the DS?  If you like counting polygon and unfiltered textures, have I got the handheld for you.

[ManaByte]

Diablo on the PS1 actually worked really well with the controls.

[Diunx]

I tried playing the first Twisted Metal a couple of months back, don't know how I put so many hours in that damn game

[Don Flamenco]

I have weird nostalgia for those control schemes.  Like...frontier input mapping.  People figuring out how you're supposed to control the game.

anyway, 3D games on the DS?  If you like counting polygon and unfiltered textures, have I got the handheld for you.

but neither the DS nor N64 had the crown jewel of shitty 3D-- that weird polygon splitting shit on the PS1.   

I agree about the experimental-ness of the era.  It is pretty neat to play these games again and see what they do and don't do with 3D.   Tenchu's draw distance is about 3 feet, for example.   

[Great Rumbler]

I was really shocked when I went back and tried to play Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, couldn't believe how awkward and unresponsive the controls were. How did I ever manage to play those games for dozens and dozens of hours?

I still have friends that play goldeneye and I just don't understand it

Super Mario 64 still has really great controls, though. Nintendo really knew what it was doing there.

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[Don Flamenco]

   his face looks all swollen.  awesome game though!

[recursivelyenumerable]

I always found well-done low-poly models, and to some small extent even "gritty" low-res textures, to have a certain interest/appeal (yeah I like DS 3D too), and I liked all the experimental control schemes, UIs etc. That technical jank and load times can GTFO though.

BTW,  I find N64 3D to have aged the absolute worst because it takes those low-res textures and then runs them through heavy filters that basically remove all the character of the texture without actually concealing its shitty low-res nature.

[bork]

This game was (is!) also awesome:

BTW,  I find N64 3D to have aged the absolute worst because it takes those low-res textures and then runs them through heavy filters that basically remove all the character of the texture without actually concealing its shitty low-res nature.

Oh, it looked that shitty back then, too. 

[Don Flamenco]

yeah the load times do not have any charm/quirk factor.  fucking silhouette mirage has a 20 second load time for the options menu and any time you change screens, really

[Himu]

Many of those games you listed weren't good even at release. Masters of Teras Kai? Really Don? What next, Clay Fighters and Primal Rage being shining examples of the 16 bit generation? Psx is my favorite system and a lot of the games I still play on it like Intelligent Qube, Parappa, Umjammer, Vib Ribbon, Mega Man X4, and the rpgs have aged wonderfully.  You say "every 3d game" but fail to mention Ape Escape, Vagrant Story, Fear Effect, Wipeout xL, Ridge racer 4, the Resident Evils...those are still gravy.

[Powerslave]

I thought you were gonna talk about how developers should made sequels to all those classic PS1 gems.

[Himu]

I seriously cannot believe used Masters of Teras Kai against the psx. That game has always been shit.

Next up: "Blasto is terrible. Why did people like this system?!?!?!"

[Powerslave]

I mean really, if Sony is indeed reminding people of how they were back in the days of the PS1 with how they are handling the PS4 now, it would be the icing on the cake, nah fuck that, it would be the whole cake if they started to pay respect to all those classic PS1 franchises that are collecting dust now. Hope they look at the way games were designed back in those days and get back in that mindset.

[Don Flamenco]

Many of those games you listed weren't good even at release. Masters of Teras Kai? Really Don? What next, Clay Fighters and Primal Rage being shining examples of the 16 bit generation? Psx is my favorite system and a lot of the games I still play on it like Intelligent Qube, Parappa, Umjammer, Vib Ribbon, Mega Man X4, and the rpgs have aged wonderfully.  You say "every 3d game" but fail to mention Ape Escape, Vagrant Story, Fear Effect, Wipeout xL, Ridge racer 4, the Resident Evils...those are still gravy.

I think you've missed the point, this isn't about what's good and bad to play, it's about graphics/mimicking PS1 game production styles and quirks.  I wasn't going for a best-of list.  Like, how Mega Man 9 lets you turn on NES flickering/slow down and was developed within NES specifications for the most part-- it's like you're playing a NES game.   The thread is asking if someone will give a similar treatment to PS1--it could be a purposefully crappy game or maybe Capcom can make RE7 in PS1 style-- as long as it's within PS1 specs and emulating the quirks. 

So, most of the games you mentioned all have those quirks as well.  Even MGS, which has the some of the highest production values in a large scale action game on the system without resorting to prerendered shit--you see everything I'm talking about.  along with an odd control scheme that still pisses some people off.

I wasn't saying Masters of Teras Kasi is good or the hallmark game, I said it's worse than Killing Zone-- both of them are completely shit fighting games that I got for $3.  I like that kind of stuff too.  if I wanna talk about the strangeness of PS1 development, I have to mention SW:MOTK.  I'm not just trying to dickride the classics, it's fun to see what else is out there too...because for every MGS, there are 100 devs who made freak of nature games while learning 3D development. 

[cool breeze]

I always found well-done low-poly models, and to some small extent even "gritty" low-res textures, to have a certain interest/appeal (yeah I like DS 3D too), and I liked all the experimental control schemes, UIs etc. That technical jank and load times can GTFO though.

depending on the art style some games can still look nice.  if you took out the swimming textures and rendered them at a higher resolution, games like mega man legends and tail concerto would hold up well.  don't know if the same could be said for syphon filter.

I might've ranted before about how modern games should copy syphon filter's threat meter.  I didn't particularly care for the series until the PSP games but the threat meter was a great conceit for the health system.

[Stoney Mason]

I bought a PS1 on day one, but can't really think of a game from that era I would want to play again. Maybe Destruction Derby?

I mostly feel the same way. At the time I loved the era and there were some classic series born of that era but the technical limitations of early 3-D on the underpowered playstation make those games a technical nightmare.

[Don Flamenco]

I always found well-done low-poly models, and to some small extent even "gritty" low-res textures, to have a certain interest/appeal (yeah I like DS 3D too), and I liked all the experimental control schemes, UIs etc. That technical jank and load times can GTFO though.

depending on the art style some games can still look nice.  if you took out the swimming textures and rendered them at a higher resolution, games like mega man legends and tail concerto would hold up well.  don't know if the same could be said for syphon filter.

I might've ranted before about how modern games should copy syphon filter's threat meter.  I didn't particularly care for the series until the PSP games but the threat meter was a great conceit for the health system.

you do see some nicely detailed graphics under the shit ass image quality when you emulate them.   especially in something like RE....their faces are actually normal faces and not sloth from the goonies.

[magus]

Many of those games you listed weren't good even at release. Masters of Teras Kai? Really Don? What next, Clay Fighters and Primal Rage being shining examples of the 16 bit generation? Psx is my favorite system and a lot of the games I still play on it like Intelligent Qube, Parappa, Umjammer, Vib Ribbon, Mega Man X4, and the rpgs have aged wonderfully.  You say "every 3d game" but fail to mention Ape Escape, Vagrant Story, Fear Effect, Wipeout xL, Ridge racer 4, the Resident Evils...those are still gravy.

it's about graphics/mimicking PS1 game production styles and quirks. 

doing cheap nes imitation is easier and bring all the nostalgia money anyway,no reason to do that

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   his face looks all swollen.  awesome game though!

TOBAL. My favorite fighting game.

I've held a torch for a TOBAL 3 forever. I had hoped that Kakuto Chojin would be that, but it was a spammy mess. I'd also hoped that Ergheiz would be it, but the developer failed to account for 3D camera shifts in the control scheme. They made the same mistake in Bouncer, and we all know what happened there.  :'(

[Himu]

Many of those games you listed weren't good even at release. Masters of Teras Kai? Really Don? What next, Clay Fighters and Primal Rage being shining examples of the 16 bit generation? Psx is my favorite system and a lot of the games I still play on it like Intelligent Qube, Parappa, Umjammer, Vib Ribbon, Mega Man X4, and the rpgs have aged wonderfully.  You say "every 3d game" but fail to mention Ape Escape, Vagrant Story, Fear Effect, Wipeout xL, Ridge racer 4, the Resident Evils...those are still gravy.

I think you've missed the point, this isn't about what's good and bad to play, it's about graphics/mimicking PS1 game production styles and quirks.  I wasn't going for a best-of list.  Like, how Mega Man 9 lets you turn on NES flickering/slow down and was developed within NES specifications for the most part-- it's like you're playing a NES game.   The thread is asking if someone will give a similar treatment to PS1--it could be a purposefully crappy game or maybe Capcom can make RE7 in PS1 style-- as long as it's within PS1 specs and emulating the quirks. 

So, most of the games you mentioned all have those quirks as well.  Even MGS, which has the some of the highest production values in a large scale action game on the system without resorting to prerendered shit--you see everything I'm talking about.  along with an odd control scheme that still pisses some people off.

I wasn't saying Masters of Teras Kasi is good or the hallmark game, I said it's worse than Killing Zone-- both of them are completely shit fighting games that I got for $3.  I like that kind of stuff too.  if I wanna talk about the strangeness of PS1 development, I have to mention SW:MOTK.  I'm not just trying to dickride the classics, it's fun to see what else is out there too...because for every MGS, there are 100 devs who made freak of nature games while learning 3D development.

The problem is you're comparing the first 3d generation to the fucking nes. A more.on point comparison is the Atari or pong in regards to the nes, not the fucking psx. Ps2 is comparable to nes.

[recursivelyenumerable]

I thought Ehrgeiz (NOT ERGHEIZ GET IT RIGHT DAMMIT GRRRRRRRRRFDFHDGGJDDGHK) was pretty fun, it just had an unusual control scheme and game system that people didn't want to learn (and then the actual substance of the game got overshadowed by the FF characters and stuff).

[Steve Contra]

Many of those games you listed weren't good even at release. Masters of Teras Kai? Really Don? What next, Clay Fighters and Primal Rage being shining examples of the 16 bit generation? Psx is my favorite system and a lot of the games I still play on it like Intelligent Qube, Parappa, Umjammer, Vib Ribbon, Mega Man X4, and the rpgs have aged wonderfully.  You say "every 3d game" but fail to mention Ape Escape, Vagrant Story, Fear Effect, Wipeout xL, Ridge racer 4, the Resident Evils...those are still gravy.

I think you've missed the point, this isn't about what's good and bad to play, it's about graphics/mimicking PS1 game production styles and quirks.  I wasn't going for a best-of list.  Like, how Mega Man 9 lets you turn on NES flickering/slow down and was developed within NES specifications for the most part-- it's like you're playing a NES game.   The thread is asking if someone will give a similar treatment to PS1--it could be a purposefully crappy game or maybe Capcom can make RE7 in PS1 style-- as long as it's within PS1 specs and emulating the quirks. 

So, most of the games you mentioned all have those quirks as well.  Even MGS, which has the some of the highest production values in a large scale action game on the system without resorting to prerendered shit--you see everything I'm talking about.  along with an odd control scheme that still pisses some people off.

I wasn't saying Masters of Teras Kasi is good or the hallmark game, I said it's worse than Killing Zone-- both of them are completely shit fighting games that I got for $3.  I like that kind of stuff too.  if I wanna talk about the strangeness of PS1 development, I have to mention SW:MOTK.  I'm not just trying to dickride the classics, it's fun to see what else is out there too...because for every MGS, there are 100 devs who made freak of nature games while learning 3D development.

The problem is you're comparing the first 3d generation to the fucking nes. A more.on point comparison is the Atari or pong in regards to the nes, not the fucking psx. Ps2 is comparable to nes.

Dude you just completely missed the point

[Himu]

I don't think I have. It won't happen because of exactly what I've said. No one is making Atari throwback titles with their quirks either unless you count stuff like Frogger. Any how it could be argued we've already been through a psx throwback era anyways and that is in the Nintendo DS.

[Positive Touch]

HES TALKING ABOUT INTENTIONALLY REPRODUCING PS1 GRAPHICAL QUIRKS NOT GAMEPLAY SHIT JESUS CHRIST HIMU

[Himu]

Yes and I just said Nintendo ds.

One of the biggest "things" in those days was putting 2d sprites on top of 3d environments.

Sound familiar? That's because it was a big thing on the DS.

Many ds games also looked very late psx-ish in their presentation, deliberately, due to lack of power.

[Don Flamenco]

Yes and I just said Nintendo ds.

One of the biggest "things" in those days was putting 2d sprites on top of 3d environments.

Sound familiar? That's because it was a big thing on the DS.

Many ds games also looked very late psx-ish in their presentation, deliberately, due to lack of power.

all of this is beside the point:  those devs weren't making them intentionally within PS1 specs, which is the whole thing here

The concept behind MM9 was to develop it within NES specs. 

So i'm asking if someone would do a similar "tribute" game with PS1 specs...

[Positive Touch]

could be a fun gimmick level, but i'd imagine it'd be too costly/ugly to make a whole game like that. nes sprites have unique charm; ps1 polygons are just funny because they're so damn hideous.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Yeah. The rosiest glasses can't make the PS1/N64 gen look good today.

[Shaka Khan]

Nothing on the DS is comparable to releasing the brand new MM 9 & 10 on the PS360.

Yes and I just said Nintendo ds.

One of the biggest "things" in those days was putting 2d sprites on top of 3d environments.

Sound familiar? That's because it was a big thing on the DS.

Many ds games also looked very late psx-ish in their presentation, deliberately, due to lack of power.

That's because the DS' hardware was as awfully constrained as the PSX, some devs were forced to rely on similar tricks to mask that. They weren't homages fueled by nostalgia.

[Phoenix Dark]

Might be the only way the WiiU can get third party games

[Don Flamenco]

could be a fun gimmick level, but i'd imagine it'd be too costly/ugly to make a whole game like that. nes sprites have unique charm; ps1 polygons are just funny because they're so damn hideous.

no doubt, nes demakes are great because people can appreciate how the sprites and music actually hold up just fine today. 


yes, a ps1 analogue to that would be a hard sell and most people would just be confused, me included though i'd find it funny.

RE7 PS1 capcom. do it!  hah yeah right 

[Powerslave]

Yeah. The rosiest glasses can't make the PS1/N64 gen look good today.

Games like Crash Bandicoot 2/3, Spyro the Dragon, Metal Gear Solid and all FF's still look awesome, if not even better than what I remember.

Sometimes I'm wondering if these 'PS1 is so ugly I'm gonna faint like the fairy that I am' people say that because they hook their PS1 up to a 100 inch HD screen or something.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Poppy, jittery polygons and diarrhea textures. I just can't.

[Positive Touch]

RE7 PS1 capcom. do it!  hah yeah right

put all settings on re6 pc to lowest quality and tell yourself its a re survivor followup

[Don Flamenco]

Yeah. The rosiest glasses can't make the PS1/N64 gen look good today.

Games like Crash Bandicoot 2/3, Spyro the Dragon, Metal Gear Solid and all FF's still look awesome, if not even better than what I remember.

Sometimes I'm wondering if these 'PS1 is so ugly I'm gonna faint like the fairy that I am' people say that because they hook their PS1 up to a 100 inch HD screen or something.

i'm viewing them on dat oled these days.  but a crt doesn't even remedy what makes ps1 games ugly.  there's just a special chip in the PS1 that takes whatever work was done, and fucks it all up.  whether it's MGS or 2Xtreme, it can't escape the shit chip.   when you emulate them, most of this stuff is alleviated/minimized (except on PS3/PSP/Vita because that goes for accuracy over features.)

[Himu]

Yes and I just said Nintendo ds.

One of the biggest "things" in those days was putting 2d sprites on top of 3d environments.

Sound familiar? That's because it was a big thing on the DS.

Many ds games also looked very late psx-ish in their presentation, deliberately, due to lack of power.

all of this is beside the point:  those devs weren't making them intentionally within PS1 specs, which is the whole thing here

The concept behind MM9 was to develop it within NES specs. 

So i'm asking if someone would do a similar "tribute" game with PS1 specs...

I think in time someone would considering people have nostalgia for and are bringing back 90's crappy cg graphic design. People will have nostalgia for anything, even if it looks like shit. I'm not exactly sure how stuff like Minecraft don't count though?

[Rufus]

Yeah. The rosiest glasses can't make the PS1/N64 gen look good today.

Games like Crash Bandicoot 2/3, Spyro the Dragon, Metal Gear Solid and all FF's still look awesome, if not even better than what I remember.

Sometimes I'm wondering if these 'PS1 is so ugly I'm gonna faint like the fairy that I am' people say that because they hook their PS1 up to a 100 inch HD screen or something.

No, it's because those games were the cream of the crop (Spyro less so). FF and other games bypassed the problem with pre-rendered backgrounds.

[Himu]

I still find the premise of the argument flawed. You guys keep bringing up nes nostalgia but nes nostalgia is tied to game play - not graphics. MM9 and 10 are the ONLY faux nes games that LOOK like nes games. Double Dragon Neo, Phantom Breaker, Scott Pilgrim, all those HEY REMEMBER THE NES games? None of them LOOK like nes games. Even New Super Mario. Hell look at Ducktales.

Games like Spelunky don't look like nes at all and it is weird people think they do but think their graphics are tied to nes nostalgia; they're not.

[Himu]

Retro Game Challenge stands as the only faux nes title bar MM9 and 10 that actually look like née games. Everything else looks like some 16 bit game or something that'd be on the saturn/arcades.

[Himu]

Yeah for that reason I find it weird stuff like Minecraft don't count towards 32/64 bit homage when about all the new homages don't look like the system they're pimping. Even Super Meat Boy which humps 16 bits leg, doesn't look like a 16 bit game with its really small sprites and contained stages.

You guys maintain the argument that people nostalgia hard for nes visuals. They don't. They nostalgia for nes game play.

You guys really think that if S-E announced a psx esque FF title people wouldn't shit bricks?

[Himu]

Nes sound definitely has nostalgia and is far more on point than the visuals modern faux nes games.

[Flannel Boy]

Is this 8-bit retro thing just an attempt to lower development costs? Give me HD sprites--that is, if I played videogames.

[Rufus]

I think the fact that it's easier to do is a big reason why all things 2D pixel art are so popular in the indie scene.

[Powerslave]

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night II


1080p HD





for PS4.... coming soon

[Himu]

Symphony of the Night already has two sequels. One almost on par with if jot better already called Aria of Sorrow. You lost Power slave.

[Stoney Mason]

I still find the premise of the argument flawed. You guys keep bringing up nes nostalgia but nes nostalgia is tied to game play - not graphics.

There is some nostalgia for the look of snes level graphics that is separate from the gameplay in some cases at least for me. It has a nice sort of symbolic look when you go back and play them. And this comes from someone who wasn't a very young kid during the snes era. Playstation one era graphics are just fugly though imo.

I also like arcade art from pretty much any era. It also had a richness that was missing from the PS 1 stuff.

Nintendo 64 stuff while also ugly at least has enough polygons for it to be more fleshed out in some cases. Mario 64 still looks decent probably because of the art style along with a few more polys than the psx stuff.

[Himu]

Sure. But most of these faux nes games don't look like snes titles to me. Scott Pilgrim doesn't look like an snes game no matter how much it tries for instance. The premise of this thread is that "games will try to emulate PlayStation games like they did nes games" when they HAVEN'T emulated nes games in terms of visuals. Same for 16 bit.

Saturn has a more appealing look to me. It is polygonal yet minimalist. Think Daytona or Virtua Fighter 2. Games like Rez and Practical Quotient sorts kinda mimic the Saturn style with their character models.

Also many of the arguments in this thread seem to be aimed at early psx titles. Games like Final Fantasy VIII and IX and Vagrant Story and Chrono Cross are far more fleshed out than most n64 titles and are less blocky, to boot. You guys seem to think all psx games were stuck in 1995.

[Himu]

Well I meant model 2 in general. Which to me instantly means Saturn. Heh.

[Himu]

Zwei is the best Panzer.

I remember seeing that level the first time. Totally stomps the pants.out of the same one in PD1. Fuck. the water

[Himu]

Goddamn love this look so hard. I just don't see what's wrong with it at all. Aged like wine IMO. Very stylized and aesthetically charming than say, nes titles or fucking Atari. Shit is straight cigar. THAT is how modern HD psx wannabe games would probably look like.

[Himu]

Same. VII could use a bit more detail but I just don't see what is wrong with it. It isn't nostalgia either. Think if it like Picasso. I'm not saying these early 3d games are akin to Picasso, but I mean in terms Of visual flare, their non traditional and stylized looks bring a sense of deformity that is all too rare in this medium. I'm all for variety in art styles.

[magus]

Sure. But most of these faux nes games don't look like snes titles to me. Scott Pilgrim doesn't look like an snes game no matter how much it tries for instance. The premise of this thread is that "games will try to emulate PlayStation games like they did nes games" when they HAVEN'T emulated nes games in terms of visuals. Same for 16 bit.

i don't think that was the point as much of the point was "if we have all these games with 2D retro graphics,why somebody doesn't make a game with 3D retro graphics?"

and if they ever did they should do a 3D fighter,janky 3D fighters are what truly defines the era for me... like bloody roar 2