Xbone Reveal Official Thread

[Himu]

I'm less worried about people who can't AFFORD internet - though to be fair, it'll suck when it's the tail end of the gen and someone's mom brings them home an xbox one for 150-200 bucks and they can't use it due to internet but that is becoming increasingly more and more unlikely. I'm more worried about people who can afford internet but don't have ease of access due to living in the country and they don't live near the main road. People only live in cities apparently!

[Don Flamenco]

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What's wrong with this?

a recurring, possibly quite expensive monthly payment for something is different than a one time cost for a console.   Maybe the Xbone and some games could be the big gift that was saved up for at christmas time?  Not anymore because the Xbone is not just the cost of console+games, it's console+games+monthly internet payments.  (and who is ben kuchera or anyone else to tell someone how to spend their money anyway?) 
I have a TV and internet, but don't want cable TV because it's an expensive, recurring payment that would cut into my budget unnecessarily.  Nobody told me to fuck off from buying a TV because traditionally, they are useful even without cable.

And in the context of his "hey all these decisions are great for Microsoft, look at it that way, brahs" article, it comes off as him holding on to some dumb shred for his shitty rationalizations for Microsoft's apparent attack on consumers.

All these little dumb decisions are about cutting off and alienating people (and pleasing U.S. cable+ISPs, which is the pink elephant, imo.  because pleasing them is akin to holding back progress for their personal gain at this point.)  Internet requirements, HDMI-only, U.S. TV focus...suppose they capture the upper middle and higher classes in the U.S...this leaves the rest of the world for Sony and Nintendo.  That's not really a good thing for Xboners who want games on their console.   Video games are not traditionally a high-class exclusive medium of entertainment. 

[Brehvolution]

No HDMI AND shitty internet?! I'm guessing HD vidya games aren't high on the list of importance to begin with.

[Himu]

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What's wrong with this?

a recurring, possibly quite expensive monthly payment for something is different than a one time cost for a console.   Maybe the Xbone and some games could be the big gift that was saved up for at christmas time?  Not anymore because the Xbone is not just the cost of console+games, it's console+games+monthly internet payments.  (and who is ben kuchera or anyone else to tell someone how to spend their money anyway?) 

And in the context of his "hey all these decisions are great for Microsoft, look at it that way, brahs" article, it comes off as him holding on to some dumb shred for his shitty rationalizations for Microsoft's apparent attack on consumers.

All these little dumb decisions are about cutting off and alienating people (and pleasing U.S. cable+ISPs, which is the pink elephant, imo.  because pleasing them is akin to holding back progress for their personal gain at this point.)  Internet requirements, HDMI-only, U.S. TV focus...suppose they capture the upper middle and higher classes in the U.S...this leaves the rest of the world for Sony and Nintendo.  That's not really a good thing for Xboners who want games on their console.   Video games are not traditionally a high-class exclusive medium of entertainment.

No, no.

We're just being bleeding hearts.

[Cerveza mas fina]

http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/xbox-one-problems-922032-May2013/

[Brehvolution]

Internet requirements and HDMI only are about thwarting piracy first and foremost. I don't know why that wasn't said from the beginning.

[Don Flamenco]

No HDMI AND shitty internet?! I'm guessing HD vidya games aren't high on the list of importance to begin with.

This situation is not far fetched at all.  They have a TV they don't want to replace, they don't want to pay for internet every month.  but they want to buy a game console and some games that don't absolutely require HDMI or internet, because consoles never required these things before.  because those things are not integral to being able to play a video game at all, unless you look at it from MS corporate headquarter's perspective. 

[Himu]

http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/xbox-one-problems-922032-May2013/

This is a much, much better article without shitty internet memes

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-22-after-an-awful-start-xbox-one-must-redeem-itself-at-e3

[mjemirzian]

The market will decide the outcome of this console.

(looking forward to a Surface/Win 8 level disaster)

[Snuflupagulus]

I, for one, would like to continue this erudite discussion of market economics as understood by games journalists.

Utterly, singularly thought-provoking. My mind is so enthusiastically provoked that it has eaten itself whole.

I stand before you naked but sated. Games.

[Snuflupagulus]

There's got to be a Bill Plympton cartoon that sums this up succinctly. Somewhere.

[Himu]

The market will decide the outcome of this console.

(looking forward to a Surface/Win 8 level disaster)

I think we're already witnessing it. Microsoft made a console reveal at 10 am pst not for core gamers, but for...regular joes. Yeah man, regular joe is going to catch up on the new xbox early in the morn/in the afternoon on a weekday. The entire approach is laughable. And when regular joe hears about the system, they're going to hear about it from the core gamers, who have been soured on the system. If not that, they'll read cnn or bbc and see the No Used Games crap.

Microsoft is fighting an uphill battle and E3 is the battleground. Those 18 games better be awesome if they hope to do damage to Sony this winter. More than that, they have to go into damage control, which will take away time from showcasing their games. So far, their marketing for Xbone is a disaster and clusterfuck of epic proportions and is very reminiscent to recent Microsoft  products - even 8, which I LIKE.

If Microsoft aim their new console at tv watchers instead of a game console this fall....it will be hilarious. All the people I know who care about tv watch tv via dvr except a few shows. Xbone doesn't do dvr.

I really, really want to see how well this is going to do at market. E3 is going to be a bloodbath. Sony could reveal all sorts of nasty shit about their system. It is going to be glorious.

[Shaka Khan]

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Milana 

She's mine.

Guys, guys, nobody should lust after Milana-- She's Malek's.

[Joe Molotov]

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Milana 

She's mine.

Guys, guys, nobody should lust after Milana-- She's Malek's.

:xbone

[Himu]

JOE ADDED IT

:xbone

[Flannel Boy]

(and who is ben kuchera or anyone else to tell someone how to spend their money anyway?) 

He's not telling anyone to do anything. If someone who cannot afford both a $499 game/entertainment box with $60 games AND access to a near limitless supply of information buys the former while claiming he cannot afford the latter, it's fair to question the person's spending priorities.

The rhetorical question, obviously, does not positively help Kuchera's argument that this requirement is great news for ANY consumers.

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Milana 

She's mine.

Guys, guys, nobody should lust after Milana-- She's Malek's.

:xbone

 

[maxy]

[Vertigo]

I see a crackdown orb.

I wonder if that Rare game bottom right is the heavily physics based one some rumors were talking about?

Wonder what that game with the eyes on the wall is?

[Brehvolution]

Wonder what that game with the eyes on the wall is?

Looks like that Nibris game, Sadness.

[Sho Nuff]

“It’s also been stated that the Xbox One is ten times more powerful than the Xbox 360, so we’re effectively 40 times greater than the Xbox 360 in terms of processing capabilities [using the cloud]. If you look to the cloud as something that is no doubt going to evolve and grow over time, it really spells out that there’s no limit to where the processing power of Xbox One can go. I think that’s a very exciting proposition, not only for Australians, but anyone else who’s going to pick up the Xbox One console.”

What

Are you talking about

[Cerveza mas fina]

Guys i hear with cloud computing xbox one is actually next next gen and they can use the cloud to make crazy graphics

What do you mean sho nuff cloud is the secret sauce

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Used Games?
Always On?
Chief?
THE CLOUD.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

remember when the PS3 networked all our PS3s together so other people's PS3's improved our own PS3's graphics

those were the days

[maxy]

Cloud will be a great annoyance to sfags.

nice

new Cell has been born

 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Can't MS just use the cloud to make my 360 40 times more powerful instead?

Incoming cloud BS is strong.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

[Vertigo]

MS really needs to have a better handle on some of thier PR leading up to E3.

Some of the mixed messages and crossed wires this week have been hilariously baffling and rambling stuff.

[Himu]

It is Thursday and we STILL have no concrete answers from Tuesday.

[maxy]

I hope they put that into some official specs comparison.

---up to 40x more powerful than 360*



*internet required

[Flannel Boy]

Can't MS just use the cloud to make my 360 40 times more powerful instead?

Incoming cloud BS is strong.

I'd say it was a mushroom cloud if it weren't for Tuesday's xbone implosion. 

[Joe Molotov]

I hope they put that into some official specs comparison.

---up to 40x more powerful than 360*

*internet required

That's why you have to be online every 24 hours. It can only store 24 hours worth of cloud energy at a time.

[Brehvolution]

Whenever I'm having a tough day, I always put my troubles in the cloud to resolve them.

[Don Flamenco]

No HDMI AND shitty internet?! I'm guessing HD vidya games aren't high on the list of importance to begin with.

This situation is not far fetched at all.  They have a TV they don't want to replace, they don't want to pay for internet every month.  but they want to buy a game console and some games that don't absolutely require HDMI or internet, because consoles never required these things before.  because those things are not integral to being able to play a video game at all, unless you look at it from MS corporate headquarter's perspective. 

These poor, poor people. It just seems unfair to me that there would be a next-gen HD console that not everyone will be able to use. If only we had a single-payer gaming system. Universal gaming console access should be a right of every human being!

yeah that's totally what I was saying

edit: I'm not trying to be proletariat vs. kapitalist, just there are plenty of ways a person could afford a console, but not have or want the internet, which makes his question look dumb.  They could just get the internet free at a library to take care of their needs, then have money for a console because of the savings...this is crazy talk to most of us who are on the internet 24/7, but it's very feasible.  I'd be on for like an hour a week if I just took care of my needs instead of killing time on the internet. 

They couldn't substitute the console like that and maybe the console would be the luxury item that year.  There are ways you can lower the cost of the console too, like buying used or waiting for a price drop/sale (or clearance .)   The game prices are a little more up in the air, but renting and buying used were once viable ways of defraying that. 

i'm just trying to open up another avenue of Microsoft hate.  that's all.  that's all. 

[Joe Molotov]

Whenever I'm having a tough day, I always put my troubles in the cloud to resolve them.

Shh, no used games. Only clouds now.

[Steve Contra]

Real Talk, aside from Halo fans and those baffling creatures that "play" Forza, was there a single good thing anyone besides Maxy found about this piece of shit?

[Eel O'Brian]

controller kind of looks cool

[Huff]

Do you have trouble using remotes? This could be for you

[ManaByte]

Real Talk, aside from Halo fans and those baffling creatures that "play" Forza, was there a single good thing anyone besides Maxy found about this piece of shit?

If you're one of those idiots who has Microsoft everything (Win8 PC, Tablet, Phone) this may be good for you since it all links up through shitty Win8.

[Vertigo]

Real Talk, aside from Halo fans and those baffling creatures that "play" Forza, was there a single good thing anyone besides Maxy found about this piece of shit?

Kinect for me.

I want to see next gen kinect games. Loving what I've seen of the videos some of the game sites have put out already.

[Himu]

[Don Flamenco]

cloud processing provides 40x more pleasure via the fleshlight input.  change from vagina to mouth to butthole to pony in real time

[mjemirzian]

Is MS really dumb enough to let the PS4 off with a 50% performance lead? That would be noticeable even to joe Q gamer.

[Great Rumbler]

There's got to be a Bill Plympton cartoon that sums this up succinctly. Somewhere.

You'll have to settle for Don Hertzfeldt:

[Verdigris Murder]

The Kinect 2.0 can recognise both blacks and people in wheelchairs?

Now that's real progress.

[chronovore]

remember when the PS3 networked all our PS3s together so other people's PS3's improved our own PS3's graphics

those were the days

I recall there was even talk of having Cell Processors in your DVR, stereo, and refrigerator, which would auto link to perform this miracle.

It is Thursday and we STILL have no concrete answers from Tuesday.

Jesus, you ARE just trolling. I hadn't realized.

I hope they put that into some official specs comparison.

---up to 40x more powerful than 360*

*internet required

That's why you have to be online every 24 hours. It can only store 24 hours worth of cloud energy at a time.

This is where the additional Cloud Units can be purchased through IAP.

[chronovore]

I wouldn't expect game journalists to do anything other than circle the wagons and spin, spin, spin.  Even the ones who aren't directly in pocket (Polygon is okay with this? Shocked, I am!) are parasites on the back of a dying animal and will do everything in their power to help the host survive.

Actually, when I put my dog down, all the fleas leapt off as he was dying.

The difference is, fleas can find another dog.

[Himu]

Jesus, you ARE just trolling. I hadn't realized.

Well, that was half a troll. I worded it in a comical fashion but everything behind the words I feel is true. Microsoft's answers and PR has been unacceptable. I really hope they deliver all information during their E3 conference, unlikely that it is.

[chronovore]

Yes, I suspect you're right about that. As weird as MS' efforts in PR have been, the one thing we have seen is tremendously effective throttling of information. Nothing is coming out before they want it to. And I think, with as trivial as E3 has become, MS will want a few more announcements to generate hype closer to launch, and some leeway to fine-tune "feature" implementation based on the public reactions they're seeing now.

[Himu]

I'm not even sure if MS will "fine tune" before launch. We've had these rumors since JANUARY. Microsoft couldn't have possibly been ignorant of customer reaction given they FIRED someone over it. They delayed their reveal a full MONTH. And afterwards, they still confirm all of our suspicions. Due to this "partnership" with EA, which probably landed them a bunch of payola, they probably aren't as interested in changing this as we think. What's the chance that before the launch MS takes these "features" out?

[AdmiralViscen]

You guys are misreading all of this talk about the Cloud saving the XBone

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

Believe

[MyNameIsMethodis]

its crazy how the graphics in that aren't evne impressive n e more

[Smooth Groove]

Real Talk, aside from Halo fans and those baffling creatures that "play" Forza, was there a single good thing anyone besides Maxy found about this piece of shit?

If you're one of those idiots who has Microsoft everything (Win8 PC, Tablet, Phone) this may be good for you since it all links up through shitty Win8.

How dare you call MCD an idiot!

[Himu]

I present to you guys, two articles. One good, the other horrible.

Good article: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/05/23/unlearning-to-share-the-industry-hatred-of-human-nature/

There has been much consternation, and certainly a large degree of confusion, about the new policies the Xbox One will impose on gamers. It seems that if you lend a copy of a game to a friend, and they want to play it on their own profile, they’ll have to pay a fee equivalent to the price of the game to be able to do so. If it is the case, it’s bewildering. It’s the end of something as ordinary and friendly as letting a buddy come over and borrow a couple of games from your shelf.

But there never has been freedom for games. The copyright messages printed on your average videogame impose draconian and unsocial instructions from a futuristic evil oppressive regime, that somehow exist in our era. Grab a box and look at the tiny print on the back, and there’s a good chance you’ll read:

“Unauthorised copying, lending, or resale under any scheme strictly prohibited.”

I nearly broke my eyeballs trying to read that on the rear-side of a copy of World In Conflict that happened to be near by. A copy I’ve now learned I do not have permission to lend to a friend. (It’s often said this is to deter library-style lending schemes, but let’s be sensible here – the language is deliberately ambiguous.)

Lending, or as I like to call it – sharing – is loathed by copyright holders. A borrowed game is an unsold game, I imagine they probably say to each other without evidence for such an obviously nonsensical claim. It is only the natural consequence of things for this new console to make sharing so extraordinarily difficult or expensive.

And yes, that oh-so-often given response is absolutely true.

“But what about Steam? YOU HYPOCRITE!”

Steam, and so many other digital distribution platforms, are abhorrent when it comes to notions of sharing. Our willing allowing of the PC gaming market to become unshareable makes us all complicit in this erosion of freedom. We went from plastic circles with idiotic impositions of limited installs, to pure data and not even the option for those few installs. And we thanked them for the convenience.

To return to Phillips’ quote, we did not resist at all.

Click to read more. Excellent stuff.

Then there's this:

Gizmodo: "You don't hate the Xbox One, you're just jealous"

Choice quotes because I refuse to click:

There is absolutely no downside to a gaming console widening its berth and bringing in a larger audience. Creating content for a console, or any platform, is not, despite whatever alarmist fears circulate, a zero sum proposition. A team spending time on the Kinect’s voice commands does not mean the controller gets shortchanged. Adding a whole side of the OS dedicated to apps and non-game content does not necessarily mean your games are being shortchanged—especially with all the lengths Microsoft has gone to ensure performance. (The static RAM on the CPU/CPU SoC is a bigger deal than it’s being given credit for.) Microsoft is a very large company. There are seven thousand people on the Xbox team alone. It can work on more than one thing at once.

Truthfully, answer this: Have you been without internet for more than 24 hours while trying to play a console game recently? Is that a regular occurrence? Have you lent a game on a disc to a friend that you needed back in a timely fashion? Have you closed your laptop or turned off your cell phone when having private conversations? Have you spent any seriously any time considering, celebrating, or lamenting the size of the consoles or other entertainment devices in your home?


For many of reading this, the answer to at least one of those questions might well be a Yes. But that does not matter. Increasingly, and for a long time now, the world has been moving forward. For a great many people—the vast majority even, probably—things have progressed to the point that these simply aren’t concerns with enough impact, however vocal, to warrant holding up the pack. That sucks. It does. (My family is still, insanely, on dial-up.) But the needs of the many, and all that.

An undetermined system to transfer used games, instead of just swapping out discs; required connection to the internet once a day (we are pretty sure); mandatory Kinect; the internet being central to core features like cloud gaming; and backwards compatibility. These are the big complaints, and looking at them, it’s hard to explain the furor they’ve stirred up.

My respect for RPS has only shot up even more. Fucking damn.

[Flannel Boy]

My god at the Gizmodo article, but it's good that Adam Orth landed on his feet.

[Smooth Groove]

Even in the pre-Steam days, it wasn't easy to share PC games.  I remember my friends and I had to borrow or photocopy manuals for answering security questions. 

[Eel O'Brian]

or, "Why Gawker Sites Are the Anal Warts of the Internet, Part 9864938542398074."

[radioheadrule83]

Even in the pre-Steam days, it wasn't easy to share PC games.  I remember my friends and I had to borrow or photocopy manuals for answering security questions.

I actually used to like that shit... input the 3rd letter of the 4th word in paragraph 7. Some of the Ultima games and Myst etc had stuff like that IIRC. Eye of Horus! One of my biggest regrets is letting my boxed Ultima VII and Ultima Underworld games get destroyed... the maps and bible like manuals they came with are awesome... closest thing I can think of in the console realm is maybe those old SNES paks that came with Prima guide bundles, or maybe the Link to the Past map etc.

Edit: apparently I might be wrong on both counts (myst / ultima) - plenty of games I recognise here though (amiga versions)! http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=55531&page=1

[Rufus]

So what actually happens if you haven't been connected at least once every 24 hours? Because my internet was crapping out a few months ago.

[maxy]

Game Over?

[Smooth Groove]

Even in the pre-Steam days, it wasn't easy to share PC games.  I remember my friends and I had to borrow or photocopy manuals for answering security questions.

I actually used to like that shit... input the 3rd letter of the 4th word in paragraph 7. Some of the Ultima games and Myst etc had stuff like that IIRC. Eye of Horus! One of my biggest regrets is letting my boxed Ultima VII and Ultima Underworld games get destroyed... the maps and bible like manuals they came with are awesome... closest thing I can think of in the console realm is maybe those old SNES paks that came with Prima guide bundles, or maybe the Link to the Past map etc.

Edit: apparently I might be wrong on both counts (myst / ultima) - plenty of games I recognise here though (amiga versions)! http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=55531&page=1

Yeah, the security questions were a bit tedious but the awesome manuals more than made up for it.  Many of the manuals had nice art and were fun to read through.  The huge cloth maps were the best even if they weren't always useful for in-game navigation.  Just having those maps in-hand put you in an adventurous mode.