In this thread PC gamers lord over console dirt peasants.

[archie4208]

Who needs TV streaming or babbys first tablet when we have more games than what we know to do with. 

[brob]

is this where we brag about how few of our steam games we've played without fear of being laughed at for our poor financial sense?

[demi]

This thread was made by someone who "only" had a budget of $150 to buy a new video card. Lol.

[Akala]

Sure, why not?

[archie4208]

This thread was made by someone who "only" had a budget of $150 to buy a new video card. Lol.

It was still under warranty and I'm getting it RMAd. 

In the meantime, I'll just have to play the dozens of classics from GOG. 

[radioheadrule83]

do any of you guys have profiles or have you done builds at pcpartpicker.com? Or anything similar?
I'm definitely going to build a new one this year, but my knowledge is shit out of date on decent processors / GPUs etc. I read keplers maxwells southern sea islands and have no idea wtf I'm reading.

[Trent Dole]

I just got PA Ep 3 for free on steam the other day and have over 1000 hours on PSO2 which is also free. PC

[Phoenix Dark]

This thread was made by someone who "only" had a budget of $150 to buy a new video card. Lol.

That's all you need to 1-up MS and Nintendo these days

[Human Snorenado]

This thread was made by someone who "only" had a budget of $150 to buy a new video card. Lol.

We pc gamers have to budget appropriately, we get everything for so much cheaper since we don't pay the console idiot tax.  Please understand.

[demi]

Sounds kinda poor to me. I'm not gonna hate tho. Everyone is different. Smooth Groove has no issue making it rain.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Oh look a 'platform' (lol barely) thats only able to receive high production/fidelity efforts because it was always subsidized by console software sales in the first place.  But sure keep laughing it up while you're oblivious.

[Smooth Groove]

This is the 1st gen that consoles have failed to show anything at launch that look more impressive than coexisting PC games.

It was kinda fun to see what developers could do with inferior specs by "coding to the metal" but those days seem to be over.

[mjemirzian]

Even a $300 670 is going to knock the pants off a PS4 in raw specs. And that's about to be replaced by an even better 770.

5 years from now you'll be able to pick up a 670 for $150 or less.

[etiolate]

yeah there's nothing on the new consoles right now that interests me

[Human Snorenado]

Oh look a 'platform' (lol barely) thats only able to receive high production/fidelity efforts because it was always subsidized by console software sales in the first place.  But sure keep laughing it up while you're oblivious.

Well, at least we're getting the games, unlike some "consoles" I could name

[Don Flamenco]

Oh look a 'platform' (lol barely) thats only able to receive high production/fidelity efforts because it was always subsidized by console software sales in the first place.  But sure keep laughing it up while you're oblivious.

wait really

why do we care where the money comes from and how it's "subsidized"

is this concern for "integrity" of the platform i see

[Timber]

'platform' (lol barely)

[Joe Molotov]

Oh look a 'platform' (lol barely) thats only able to receive high production/fidelity efforts because it was always subsidized by console software sales in the first place.  But sure keep laughing it up while you're oblivious.

Well, at least we're getting the games, unlike some "consoles" I could name

I think he was talking about the WiiU.

[Positive Touch]

for real tho pc gaming is only great because it gives me hi-rez dirt cheap console ports. take that away and we have derivative indie shitfests and eurosims aka the seventh circle of hell

[tiesto]

for real tho pc gaming is only great because it gives me hi-rez dirt cheap console ports. take that away and we have derivative indie shitfests and eurosims aka the seventh circle of hell

The indie shitfests and eurojank are the primary games I play for PC... I barely play the AAA games back on consoles anyways

[Great Rumbler]

for real tho pc gaming is only great because it gives me hi-rez dirt cheap console ports. take that away and we have derivative indie shitfests and eurosims aka the seventh circle of hell

The indie shitfests and eurojank are the primary games I play for PC...

Feels good to be king.

[Human Snorenado]

Real talk- between Grim Dawn, the new Obsidian game and the new "Torment" plus the shit I've never bothered to dl, I could give two shits about any game not named "Saints Row IV"

Further real talk- awesome content like Blood Dragon that is a throw away "iteration" rather than "innovation" is right up my alley and will be available for el cheapo.  I will never understand why you dumb fuckers are happy to pay top dollar for shitty product.  There are very few games that I would bother feeling like I HAVE to have right on release.  Maybe this means I'm old and not as big a part of the hobby anymore; so be it.  At least I don't validate myself through a bunch of dumb fucking games.

HUR HUR HUR MY NAME IS DEMI AND I HATE LIFE SO MUCH I WILL PAY SQUEENIX WHATEVER THEY ASK FOR THE DIGITAL EQUIVALENT OF SHIT IN A BOX

[Human Snorenado]

Just because we're nerds and like dumb game type shit doesn't mean we don't have to have standards and taste, y'all.

[Great Rumbler]

I still like me some AAA games, but...not as much as I used to. I just don't get excited nearly as often by glitzy first-person shooters with blahblahblah visceral combat and rollercoasters. There are currently more games I'm incredibly excited about coming out soon through Kickstarter [which would mean games with budgets at $4 million and below] than games that cost $20 million or more. I honestly can't even think of any AAA games outside of Saints Row 4 and Grand Theft Auto 5 that I'm remotely interested in. Everything else is just "Well, maybe I'll see if it's good and then pick it up for $20 or less on Steam".

[etiolate]

For me, AAA has come to mean bloated budget and copy/pasta design, along with needless focus on elements that barely improve the play experience.

[Human Snorenado]

For me, AAA has come to mean bloated budget and copy/pasta design, along with needless focus on elements that barely improve the play experience.

Even AAA stuff that supposedly "innovates" and is critically acclaimed like BioShock I find to be a snoozer.  At this point, there are certain kinds of games (arpgs, bethesda rpgs, saints row games) that I find worth it to buy at launch.  Everything else can fuck off.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Subsidised or not who cares.

I have a huge list of games I still want to buy and play for sub 5/10 euro. Not to mention all the games I have already and that are still coming out.

Plus if the industry died tomorrow wed still get stuff like Grim Dawn etc.

[Human Snorenado]

lots of people care, just not quite enough, i guess. 

you're kind of a fool if you think there wouldn't be a trickle-down effect from the big AAA shit disappearing on PC however.

I'm sure there would be an effect, I just wouldn't give a shit.

[Flannel Boy]

 

[Human Snorenado]

mmhmm

AAA games bring people to the platform.  those people then purchase smaller titles between the AAA titles, which makes making those smaller titles viable.  AAA disappears, fewer people buying games on the platform, small games become fewer and smaller. 

but none of this affects anyone because we're all so fucking cool

I think I would get more enjoyment out of watching people's reactions to the death of video games than I would out of any video games I would hypothetically be missing out on.

[Himu]

For me, AAA has come to mean bloated budget and copy/pasta design, along with needless focus on elements that barely improve the play experience.

Even AAA stuff that supposedly "innovates" and is critically acclaimed like BioShock I find to be a snoozer.  At this point, there are certain kinds of games (arpgs, bethesda rpgs, saints row games) that I find worth it to buy at launch.  Everything else can fuck off.

my nicca.

mmhmm

AAA games bring people to the platform.  those people then purchase smaller titles between the AAA titles, which makes making those smaller titles viable.  AAA disappears, fewer people buying games on the platform, small games become fewer and smaller. 

but none of this affects anyone because we're all so fucking cool

My second nicca.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I just bought Dead Space for 2,49 on Steam today.

Subsidized gaming or not, that's another month I won't need to buy a next gen 60 euro a game machine.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Uhm I would have played it 5 years ago of if i thought its worth more then 2,50.

In fact I did try it out on my pc when it came out.

2008 was all about cod son.

[archnemesis]

I got it for $5 back in 2010. PC games drop in price fast.

[Positive Touch]

mmhmm

AAA games bring people to the platform.  those people then purchase smaller titles between the AAA titles, which makes making those smaller titles viable.  AAA disappears, fewer people buying games on the platform, small games become fewer and smaller. 

but none of this affects anyone because we're all so fucking cool

did everyone forget that devs tried to make a big push on pc-exclusive content in the late 90s and it didnt work? pc gaming was dead til the mid-2000s when quality console ports started showing up.

[demi]

Real talk- between Grim Dawn, the new Obsidian game and the new "Torment" plus the shit I've never bothered to dl, I could give two shits about any game not named "Saints Row IV"

Further real talk- awesome content like Blood Dragon that is a throw away "iteration" rather than "innovation" is right up my alley and will be available for el cheapo.  I will never understand why you dumb fuckers are happy to pay top dollar for shitty product.  There are very few games that I would bother feeling like I HAVE to have right on release.  Maybe this means I'm old and not as big a part of the hobby anymore; so be it.  At least I don't validate myself through a bunch of dumb fucking games.

HUR HUR HUR MY NAME IS DEMI AND I HATE LIFE SO MUCH I WILL PAY SQUEENIX WHATEVER THEY ASK FOR THE DIGITAL EQUIVALENT OF SHIT IN A BOX

I don't even know what point you're trying to make.

Talk talk talk [personal attack] talk talk talk [personal attack]

Which is it? Lmao.

[Eel O'Brian]

Well, we're getting closer and closer to a point where onboard video will be equal to or slightly better than 360/PS3 quality, and once the average joe doesn't have to think about slotting in a card and buying a bigger PSU for his off-the-shelf desktop or buying a $900 laptop just to play a particular game, I believe there'll be a bit of resurgence for PC gaming in general. We'd still get things like the first Witcher game even if AAA console gaming took a shit, I think.

[Great Rumbler]

mmhmm

AAA games bring people to the platform.  those people then purchase smaller titles between the AAA titles, which makes making those smaller titles viable.  AAA disappears, fewer people buying games on the platform, small games become fewer and smaller. 

but none of this affects anyone because we're all so fucking cool

If the games industry actually dries up, I'll just replay some Infinity Engine RPGs for the -nth time.

[Don Flamenco]

lots of people care, just not quite enough, i guess. 

you're kind of a fool if you think there wouldn't be a trickle-down effect from the big AAA shit disappearing on PC however.

sure at first, but this doesn't dissipate the PC fanbase.   There are plenty of people who aren't hooked to AAA tits and who would fund more medium-sized projects through kickstarter or other avenues.  Look how fast a lot of projects get funding...if these kickstarter projects turn out as awesome as pitched, it'll build momentum for that kind of crowd-sourced funding. 

good on ya

some of us haven't lived like wii owners and played that five years ago

that's not living like a wii owner.  He had tons of other options besides Mario Orgy 5 and Legend of Zelda: There's A Boomerang In This One when Dead Space came out  

[Rufus]

mmhmm

AAA games bring people to the platform.  those people then purchase smaller titles between the AAA titles, which makes making those smaller titles viable.  AAA disappears, fewer people buying games on the platform, small games become fewer and smaller. 

but none of this affects anyone because we're all so fucking cool

I can't be arsed to argue this seriously, but I will point out that the biggest games on the PC aren't AAA console ports. Granted, those are also the kinds of games a lot of people play to the exclusion of a lot of other shit, but it does mean that PC gaming doesn't live and die by the console market's table scraps.

[Don Flamenco]

console ports are nice, but that's about 20% of my PC collection.   and I'm not convinced that those kinds of games would be totally gone if the console market had a downturn anyway. 

[brob]

console ports are perfunctory affairs, any elitist with a proper sense about them would realize this and not be fussed by simpletons rabble rousing.

[Himu]

Even if this happened, there's like, a thousand games a dozen systems worth playing I haven't played. I could learn Japanese and  a whole world of new games I couldn't play before is available to me. I don't give a shit WHAT happens, there will always be games to play.

[Great Rumbler]

Yeah cool, don't stop believin' guys

The neat thing is that I'm dead sure we'll get the chance to see if my hunches pan out.  Not that any of us will still be posting here at that point, if god has any mercy whatsoever

What impact would a loss [or, more likely, merely a drop] in AAA games have on smaller games being funded through Kickstarter? Because that's pretty much all I care about these days.

[Don Flamenco]

Yeah cool, don't stop believin' guys

The neat thing is that I'm dead sure we'll get the chance to see if my hunches pan out.  Not that any of us will still be posting here at that point, if god has any mercy whatsoever

Are you looking at all this from a pretty long term perspective?  lets say, like 20 years from now?  In that case, sure, I agree the landscape will change in that time and that how we have it now might not be the norm 20 years from now.  but we've only seen more avenues for game development + publishing opening up, which can take place of a waning traditional developer+big publisher set up...so I don't see how PC gaming is super threatened by people losing interest in console games.   

like, if Bioshock Infinite flopped, what would that mean for PC gaming?   Take Two isn't taking Bioshock money and putting it into interesting PC projects.  It just goes towards their next console game, which might also be on PC.  Extrapolate that to any console production that gets a PC port.  These publishers put games out on PC incidentally, while crowd-funding and indie stuff will only improve.   Some pretty big kickstarter projects got funding with ease, so it's not like the interest isn't there.  But the first wave better deliver...

[brob]

Blizzard is for haughty casuals. 1C and Paradox reign on the sophisticated desktop.

[Great Rumbler]

But wouldn't the death of AAA console gaming actually push more people to things like PC and Kickstarter? Of course, it would also push people to mobile gaming and out of games entirely. But the main reason I got interested in Kickstarter in the first place was a AAA games industry that was increasingly failing to cater to my interests with its $50+ million games, while Kickstarter promised to make exactly the kinds of games that I wanted. And developers are already proving that they can do really great things with just a sliver of what the AAA market is using.

[Human Snorenado]

Grouch, what do you see happening to the industry long term then?  Is my fantasy world of a Thunderdome Gen that kills most everyone and everything, leaving behind a select few to soldier on and put out fun stuff on PC and mobile devices like 10 years down the road not feasible? 

[archie4208]

The biggest PC games are freemium, multiplayer focused and have a fraction of the development costs of a typical 8 hour AAA corridor shooter.

Indies also seem to do fine (assuming your name is Notch or you hit the Steam lottery)

It would suck losing console scraps, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.

[Human Snorenado]

I'm fine with that.  In fact, I daresay I will HIGHLY ENJOY watching it happen.

[Positive Touch]

I think mobile gaming will stay limited til someone makes a dead simple way to control games that stream to your tv. I'm sure that's only a few years out, and it'll replace consoles.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Whats all this future doom and gloom i got plenty shit to play now and in the coming years guaranteed.

Thats all that really counts.

All these magic 8ball predictions of where the industry will be in 15 years are pointless, no one here knew that mobile and freemium would blow up 15 years ago either. So things might and will change again with new disruptors. We just dont know.

[mjemirzian]

PC gaming will decline to the lowest common denominator (basically, the state of Intel/AMD's APUs), AAA budgets will implode for all but the biggest games like Call of Duty.

MS will try to turn Windows into a "service model" always online walled garden, causing most hardcore nerds to flee to Linux.

Samsung/Apple will come out with an official controller attachment to their phones and continue to eat up console sales. Nintendo might hang on with their portables but will be forced to give up the console race.

[Momo]

so as a PC, 360, PS3, Wii (:'() gamer, can I lord over myself?

[Momo]

But wouldn't the death of AAA console gaming actually push more people to things like PC and Kickstarter?

Once things become 'difficult' or even just if you put a small hurdle in front of the masses, they're going to run for the iOS hills faster than you can say there's an app for that. You have too much faith in the modern convenience-is-everything human's willingness to work for things they want =P

[Himu]

The solution is a combination of mobile and console. Nintendo was kinda on the right track with Wii U but missed the target, I think. I feel like today's console should ideally be something you can take anywhere and then stream the footage to your tv or even hook it up. Basically, since none of the big three are capable of putting out a big tablet - Sony and MS' tablets have bombed, and Nintendo will never release a tablet - they aren't going to win people over because people aren't going to replace their ipads and galaxy tabs and shit.

My idea for years has been something you carry with you everywhere, like a phone, you can play a game on the train or at work, and you get home, you hook that bad boy up to your tv and keep on playing, this time with a controller. It's clearly where we're going, and yet none of the consoles are quite there yet.

[Momo]

My idea for years has been something you carry with you everywhere, like a phone, you can play a game on the train or at work, and you get home, you hook that bad boy up to your tv and keep on playing, this time with a controller. It's clearly where we're going, and yet none of the consoles are quite there yet.

I do this with my CFW PSP

[DCharlieJP]

My idea for years has been something you carry with you everywhere, like a phone, you can play a game on the train or at work, and you get home, you hook that bad boy up to your tv and keep on playing, this time with a controller. It's clearly where we're going, and yet none of the consoles are quite there yet.

as per Momo - PSP Go running CFW for the moment though more as an emu box. Mine has everything of note legacy wise (Mame is a bit shit, but FBA isnt bad and MVS and CP1/2 are both very good) plus PS1 and PSP stuff.

Rock it on the TV with a linked Dual Shock , then stick it in my pocket for on-the-go mega library.

Now if only we could get an unlocked vita and tv out - then we really would be rocking it.

[Himu]

sure, but not on a mass scale. the problem with that is that you need a psp and vita to even do it. two things most consumers DON'T have.

[DCharlieJP]

Speak for your own nation - PSP is alive and kicking here. Vita is in a possible persistent vitative state - its still smiling at relatives but people aren't getting much out of it

Anyways - A hacked PSP Go is the gift that keeps giving.