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Himu

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Let's teach ourselves a language!
« on: May 31, 2013, 12:13:59 AM »
I've always wanted to be bilingual. I've switched from French to Spanish to German, even Chinese as second language interests. I even took three years of Spanish in Middle School/High School and my final semester in Spanish III, my grades were so good I was able to exempt the final exam. I don't remember a lick.

But all these years there's been one language I've wanted to learn: Japanese. Back in the 2000's Japanese language classes were scarce so I never was able to make the commitment because in my mind classes = how you learn a language. Oh, how wrong I was. So, upon receiving Ore no Ryouri from Don Flamenco and trying it out, I decided I was tired of it. I like games. A lot. I like Japanese games. A lot. But Japanese games make it to English land less and less frequently these days due to waning popularity and sales. I'm sick of being locked out of content I want to play and experience just because of language barrier. So I said fuck it, I'm learning Japanese.

Currently doing self study for Japanese. It's fun. I know very few words, but I've knocked out hiragana tonight and tomorrow I'm starting on katakana. I figure I should be doing phrases/vocab and kanji by July. My goal is to learn the core 2000-2500 kanji before the end of the year, and I think I can do it.

I've found self study to be far more rewarding than taking language classes. In the past, I took Spanish, and I hated it because it was mostly about particles and verbs and usage and technicalities no one who learned the language through their childhood learned. So right now, I'm going with the flow with Japanese rather than stressing grammar. I'm watching Japanese video game videos on youtube, and listening to Japanese songs, and going full on weeaboo but it's really been worth it so far in that, last week, when I just started doing this, I forgot about all I learned about Japanese from whatever classes I took in the past (not very much to be true, since it's not widely available like Spanish). But this week, I'm looking at dialogue via Japanese subtitles in these videos and getting an adrenaline rush as I'm able to follow (very small) portions of dialogue after merely a weeks time.

It's something no language class has ever managed to help me do: find learning a language fun.

Currently, I'm applying the AJATT (All Japanese All The Time) method (read about it here: http://www.everydaylanguagelearner.com/2012/01/19/ajatt-most-inspirational-language-blogger-out-there/) in that I'm living Japanese language through immersion; I've constantly got headphones on, listening to Japanese music, podcasts, news, I'm watching Japanese dramas to help with language comprehension, doing the srs flashcard method for learning kana by way of the program Anki. It really isn't hard and I've benefited from my limited exposure already.

One thing I was telling Aeana and Oscar while we were discussing vocab and stuff was that I feel like a toddler. I really do.

I'm singing Mary Had a Little Lamb in Japanese dammit. Fuck. I know what sheep means in Japanese! :rock

Let's all say fuck it and learn a language!
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2013, 12:24:17 AM »
I'm thinking about picking up Spanish again.

My area has an ever increasing hispanic community and one of the companies I'm working for as a designer is a hispanic marketing firm so it couldn't hurt to know some more español.

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2013, 12:25:00 AM »
I've always wanted to speak Cockney

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2013, 12:29:14 AM »
One of my favorite things about this process has been completely dumping my English oriented music and searching the gutters of the internet to find Japanese music that fits my taste.

And it has been pretty damn fun. I've found about 20-30 artists/bands of varying genres (electronic mostly, rap, rock, pop, folk).

My favorite find so far has been Capsule an electronic duo. They go between genres, sometimes doing straight Nu Jazz, then they'll do some fucking awesome vocal house. They're awesome.






Memorizing the lyrics and applying the correct kana in my head to the lyrics is an amazing feeling. I'm trying to not translate into English and it's working.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2013, 12:31:27 AM »
I'm teaching the baby a little bit of ASL. Which means I have to learn ASL.

She has all these loud, obnoxious toys that speak/sing Spanish and English, so I keep finding myself singing the ABCs to her in Spanish. I took more German than Spanish in school, so I'll probably teach her some basics eventually.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2013, 12:41:06 AM »
I can speak some basick French because of high school. I would like to know speak Spanish or Arabic so I could know what my barbers are saying to each other when they cut my hair.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2013, 12:41:35 AM »
I want to relearn Spanish for the benefit, but I'm stuck between Spanish and Chinese. Objectively, both will be very important skills to have 10 years down the road.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2013, 12:47:44 AM »
I'd go with Spanish first since it's probably much easier to learn than Chinese

You could probably become almost fluent in a year with decent effort

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2013, 12:49:49 AM »
do you even listen to Boris?

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Just found out about them the other day!  :mynicca
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2013, 12:55:55 AM »
Most Himuro thread ever!

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2013, 01:00:37 AM »
¡Chupa mis huevos, gringos! :pacspit

Déjame ver tu coño.  :shaq

Oh yeah. I'm gonna go far with this stuff.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2013, 01:07:22 AM »
Haha Bilingual. I'm fluent in 2 languages, Intermediate in 1 and novice (can get to a bar and get my dick sucked) in 5

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2013, 01:08:46 AM »
Upgraded novice to 5 because I understand German, Dutch and Flemish Belgian.

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2013, 01:08:47 AM »
Haha Bilingual. I'm fluent in 2 languages, Intermediate in 1 and novice (can get to a bar and get my dick sucked) in 5

Which one of the 4 is subtitle-taught Japanese?
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2013, 01:18:35 AM »
Haha Bilingual. I'm fluent in 2 languages, Intermediate in 1 and novice (can get to a bar and get my dick sucked) in 5

 :what
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2013, 01:23:55 AM »
I plan on getting a bunch of Rosetta stone Spanish shit and learning it before I start earnestly looking for a real job in about a year.  I figure it can only help my chances, and I do have a friend that runs a law firm that specializes in immigration stuff who has said he'd be willing to take me on as a bookkeeper/financial consultant for their clients if I learned Spanish.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2013, 01:25:58 AM »
Haha Bilingual. I'm fluent in 2 languages, Intermediate in 1 and novice (can get to a bar and get my dick sucked) in 5

Which one of the 4 is subtitle-taught Japanese?
Intermediate, as I actually attended Japanese classes/was a scanlator and did a bunch of self learning tapes.

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2013, 01:26:44 AM »
Haha Bilingual. I'm fluent in 2 languages, Intermediate in 1 and novice (can get to a bar and get my dick sucked) in 5

 :what
Unlike EviLore I don't have to grab ass to gauge interest, I can simply ask :smug

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2013, 01:27:50 AM »
Also I have Korean heritage so I know when I'm being scolded at in Korean.

Himu

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2013, 01:32:05 AM »
Post pics Momo.

Ripping audio from video should be a lot simpler.

One thing i've found very helpful so far is watching live action drama in the target language with English subtitles the first time to see what's going on and hear the dialogue with a translated script. Then I watch it without subtitles to pick up new things. Then I rip the audio, and after my practice for the day, I acquire the subtitles in Japanese to learn new words. This is helpful because it helps me flex my brain a bit and apply the characters I just learned into an actual setting, which helps with memory, and increases vocab. After looking at the script, before I leave for work I'll put the audio of the drama on my phone, and listen to it during work hours and pick up new things.

Now that I'm done with hiragana, this process will be even easier.

Best way to learn a language is to immerse yourself in it. Everything else is a waste of time.

That's what I've been doing actually. Since I don't live in Japan I'm creating my own mini Japan by listening to podcasts, news, music, tv in Japanese and reading Japanese websites even though I don't always know what they're talking about. You'll always get something new out of it.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2013, 01:36:02 AM »
My genealogy is pretty fucked Himumumu. English, Scot, Korean, Persian/North African. I'm like nature's little experiment lol. Eh I'm not posting pics, it always causes drama so bleh.

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2013, 01:41:22 AM »
A very good friend of mine from Tokyo came to visit me a couple of years ago, we made a deal to speak Japanese one day and English the next (helping each other) she commented my japanese is pretty good, but I really cant trust that since the japanese are too polite to actually say 'you suck' :lol

I figure i'm decent at it since she only really corrected me a handful of times and in most cases it was pronunciation not incorrect sentence structure/word usage. 

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2013, 01:59:17 AM »
Man id always wanted to learn a 4th language but I just dont have the patience.

Himu

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2013, 02:05:18 AM »
Three seems ideal.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2013, 02:12:01 AM »
Also learning a language is not for old folks, the mind just isnt as receptive.

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2013, 02:16:36 AM »
That's bullshit.
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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2013, 02:29:49 AM »
Yeah its not the same when youre old, sure you can learn but it wont be the same.

Also I dont think you can be really fluent without being around people that speak that language often.

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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2013, 04:35:05 AM »
It's vital to talk to native speakers a few times, just to make sure, but I think you can become fluent without. I've had teachers ask me if I'd spent time in Britain because of my accent and fluency, even though I've never been there, or any English-speaking country. Having access to an endless stream of anglophone media makes up for a lot of live practice, at least in my experience. Internet. :bow2

I'm fairly content with German and English myself. Although I've always wanted to re-acquaint myself with my other native language (Yugoslavian/Serbo-Croatian/Bosnian, whatever you want to call it) eventually, at least enough to hold a regular conversation. I'm half-way there because I can still understand it fairly well, but my vocabulary is limited to that of a 6-year-old and I have a lot of difficulty forming complex sentences. The tiny bit of shame I feel for forgetting what little heritage I have hasn't been enough of a motivator. I did try to read some Croatian and Bosnian newspapers and boy, oh boy, does it show that I never had any formal education in Bosnian. It's an odd feeling to have to sound out words you already know. :lol
The languages I've learned in school and university are more enticing (French, Spanish, Swedish), but I'm not motivated enough to re-learn or expand my knowledge of them.

Upgraded novice to 5 because I understand German, Dutch and Flemish Belgian.
So German, Dutch and other Dutch. :lol

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2013, 07:02:27 AM »
I love this joke:
If you speak two languages, you're bilingual.
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If you speak three languages, you're trilingual.
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If you speak one language, you're American.
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I'm happy that I learned this much Japanese, but I lost all my Spanish. It's like the Japanese pushed out the Spanish, and even when I can remember a Spanish verb, I conjugate it into Japanese.  :'(

I'm teaching the baby a little bit of ASL. Which means I have to learn ASL.

She has all these loud, obnoxious toys that speak/sing Spanish and English, so I keep finding myself singing the ABCs to her in Spanish. I took more German than Spanish in school, so I'll probably teach her some basics eventually.

It's great that you're going for gestural communication with your child, but have you considered that ASL itself is too complex for babies?

We used a book, but what it got down to is using whatever simple gestures you baby understands to communicate consistently and free from frustration.

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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2013, 07:20:01 AM »
I thought that too, but most of the words she would use are pretty easy to sign, and somewhat literal. I picked up a book specifically for babies, and for only one or two words the book gives an alternative because the ASL version is hard for babies to sign correctly. Babies will try to sign it but its so complex that the parents don't pick up what is being said. It was nice that they gave alternatives though rather than have the "No this is ASL so you have to do it this way because its right" mentality. I told my husband I really don't care as long as we can understand her and we're all consistent.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2013, 08:26:57 AM »
So German, Dutch and other Dutch. :lol
Still counts :smug

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2013, 09:59:13 AM »
So German, Dutch and other Dutch. :lol
Still counts :smug

Nah, Flemish doesn't count.
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2013, 10:50:02 AM »
Flemish really doesn't count, it's a dialect at best.

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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2013, 11:06:38 AM »
i and a group of friends are currently doing duolingo.com and learning spanish together

it's pretty cool.  it's a gamification of language learning to promote continuous use and thus continuous improvement
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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2013, 11:28:02 AM »
Rufus I've found nicovideo.jp and 2ch to be solid with interacting with Japanese people in a virtual space, albeit limited due to language barrier and I'm just a beginner so I don't know what's going on 95% of the time. But I've been tying to find more "serious" non nerd Japanese online communities.

Yeah using Japanese media as a learning tool will help me learn faster and it is amazing, the types of tools we have at our disposal these days. I don't expect to be fluent in 18 months like the guy who made AJATT but I definitely think I could get to an advanced level in 4 years of self study and media consumption. Honestly the entire reason I started doing this was to expand on one of my hobbies (vidya) so even if I don't get to n1 level if I can play Romance of the Three Kingdoms or Nobunaga's Ambition games or Ryu Ga Gotoku Kenzan without looking up words I will consider this a success.

My ultimate goal though is to read A Song of Ice and Fire and a Murakami novel in Japanese.
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« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2013, 12:11:09 PM »
Alright, got my tools back home. I plan on starting Remembering the Kana tonight. I'll be able to knock it out in six hours, then I'll review what I learned in Anki.

Remembering the Kana by James Heisig

http://www.amazon.com/Remembering-Kana-Reading-Japanese-Syllabaries/dp/0824831640/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218312342&sr=8-1

From my limited time with the Remembering the Kana (just glancing through the book), the thing is helpful in that it explains the origins of and the shape of each Kana in a funny and meaningful way. Both kana are three hours each.

If you're a beginner like me, and you're interested in Japanese I suggest start with this. I should have started with this last week, it would have been faster.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2013, 12:34:41 PM »
Already bilingual :yeshrug
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2013, 12:48:59 PM »
always wanted to learn Spanish, although I got a C in my first and only Spanish class years ago. I'm thinking Hispanic women are more apt to date black men who speak Spanish, so I'll try again.
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Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2013, 05:57:22 PM »
I'd consider myself to be fluent in english, I like to switch accents as well. I also speak/understand brazilian portuguese fairly well, and am on sort of a beginner level of japanese.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2013, 05:58:31 PM »
http://duolingo.com/

The mobile app is really good too.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2013, 07:40:55 PM »
Duolingo mobile app is out for android now. They just sent me an email about it today.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2013, 08:08:43 PM »
I tried to learn French a couple of times but lost interest. Anyone on Duolingo should add me (same name). Maybe the shame of others seeing my lack of progress will motivate me. I doubt it though.

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2013, 08:15:05 PM »
How long have you been studying Japanese, Himu? I've been thinking about starting myself during these slow summer months, so I can let my weeaboo flag fly.
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« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2013, 09:22:58 PM »
Eh. I've been on and off with it for about ten years but last week I got more serious about taking steps to learn it. I'll supply you with material when I get home. Self study is mad fun so far.
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« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2013, 09:24:50 PM »
I'm on Duolingo as ManaByte. Just working on Spanish as it's pretty much required in my area to even order from the McDonald's drive thru these days.
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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2013, 09:30:51 PM »
Good luck! Duolingo is a good site. Not for me or how I learn but it is good and it is free.
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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2013, 10:09:47 PM »
Joe I just finished the hiragana section of Heisig's Remembering The Kana in under three hours. I remember most of them. Consider there are 46 characters and I did it all with amazing memory retention in three hours. Of course I've been studying hira for a week but there are many I've struggled with all week now that are clear as day. Start with Remembering the Kana.

Also got a children's story book at half priced books. I'm too tired for katakana tonight so I'll start doing vocab when I get home and make that resource write up.

The spoils of my notes:



I messed up on my song. :lol it is ra not ru.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2013, 10:44:00 PM »
I really should at least learn katakana already so I can read the damn item names in PSO2 since I've been playing for nearly a year now. :-[
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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2013, 11:46:24 PM »
Alright, Joe.

If you're interested in Japanese, here are some resources. Some of you guys not learning Japanese may also want to read it because some suggestions carry over for anyone trying to learn a language, particularly on the srs section.

1. Get Heisig's Remembering the Kana



You can get a copy from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Remembering-Kana-The-Hiragana-Katakana/dp/4889960724/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1370056128&sr=8-2&keywords=remembering+the+kana

Do hiragana first, then katakana. You can knock this book out in 6 hours for all 92 characters. You can do this in a day, or two days with each part separated for individual days, whatever.

2. Look into study methods.

Currently the current top study method for Japanese self study is srs.

Here's information on what SRS is:

http://www.fluentin3months.com/spaced-repetition/

Basically, it's a memory retaining system for long term memory. Writing a bunch of stuff repeatedly has been said to not only be boring, but not really helpful in terms of maintaining long memory. SRS is a system where you truthfully tell the program how well you know the word, sentence, or whatever and it structures itself to flash the word again right when you're going to forget it to help increase memory.

There are a bunch of srs programs, but the most popular is by far Anki which is what I use. With Anki you can make flashcard decks or download premade decks (which is what I do). Anki supports a bunch of languages for learning ranging from Japanese to Spanish to Arabic to whatever. Just go here:

https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/

There is even an Anki phone app, so you can sync your progress on the go, get home, and continue and vice versa. 

In order to make srs work, you have to do this every day. But it's easy enough to do so.

I suggest you do Remembering the Kana and then do Anki decks to review what you've learned rather than learning straight from Anki.

Here is my current Anki. I have two decks (one is a dud and it own't let me delete it):



Each day, depending on how much I studied the day prior, Anki gives me a review time. I have it set to learn 10 new cards a day, so today I'm going to review the ones i've have trouble with and new ones. Since I'm done with Hiragana, I'm setting it to add no new cards today so I can review old material.



It first said sore (それ) in Japanese. I had to hear it without cue. Hence the "listen" note. After that I pressed space and it told me what the definition for sore is. This is a new word for me, but it's easy to remember so I'm going to truthfully click Good which will review sore in 10 minutes, to retain the memory. Tomorrow I'll review sore again and probably tell it to bring it up in a few days time.

Other methods of study: children's books and songs, read manga (shounen and shoujo have mostly kana and any kanji will have furigana - kana marks above the kanji), video games with kana (Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy menus, Chrono Trigger, usually family friendly stuff), Japanese drama (get a Crunchyroll account and watch Daterame Hero plz). Any new words you gain from studying, put in Anki for later review. What about entire sentences? Put that shit into Anki.

Scour youtube for Japanese nursery rhymes. Things like:





Memorize them and understand them. Mine them for vocab.

3. Use srs to study vocab and phrases at a beginner level.

4. Obtain a Kanji poster at http://www.kanjiposter.com/



5. Get Remembering the Kanji vol 1 by Heisig. With daily practice of 10 kanji a day you can get to 2000 kanji in six months. The average Japanese HS grad knows 2000 kanji. These are mostly taught in school and are the general use kanji.



http://www.amazon.com/Remembering-Kanji-Volume-Complete-Characters/dp/0824835921/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370057796&sr=8-1&keywords=remembering+the+kanji

6. Download an Anki heisig RTK1 deck to review daily while doing RTK.

Useful sites:

- Anki https://ankiweb.net/study/ Make an account, that is required to sync between devices.

- All Japanese All The Time - the author employs an immersion method of learning Japanese without living in Japan while doing everything I just wrote. He became fluent in Japanese in 18 months without visiting Japan. When he did visit Japan his Japanese was so good he was hired as a software developer. www.alljapaneseallthetime.com It is among the more controversial ways to learn Japanese on the internet and it is kinda extreme. Read the link on the first post to get an idea of what to expect as the ajatt site is disorganized and hard to navigate.

- Kohii - fantastic community for fellow Japanese learners with guides and stuff. http://kanji.koohii.com/

- Crunchyroll - Watch jdramas with Enh subs on first to know what's going on in the story. Then watch without subs to see what you can gain from it. Rip the audio via Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/) and put it on your mp3 player/phone. This is a part of AJATT immersion training. Going for a walk? Put on your jdrama rip or jmusic. Studying in Anki? Throw on jmusic. In bed relaxing? Put on the jdrama and see if you can make out new stuff with your new vocab. www.crunchyroll.com An all access pass costs 11 bucks. Worth it. I'm watching Daterame Hero, and it owns. Maybe even download Japanese subs and see if you gain new insight in grammar and structure and vocab from that.

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2013, 11:56:49 PM »
http://www.memrise.com/ looked like it might be a good site if you are just starting off
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Himu

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #50 on: June 01, 2013, 12:11:49 AM »
I didn't realize memrise had Japanese. Nice. :obama Still suggest going with Remember the Kana though. I don't trust any Learn Japanese source that uses romaaji (latin version of japanese words) for a long period. I want to learn Japanese, not learn Latin translated Japanese.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2013, 12:21:21 AM »
Japanese seems like it would be hard as fuck to learn as a second language, assuming you aren't in Japan. One day I'm just gonna man up and learn Spanish, which seems easier (even though I nearly failed it back in the day)
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2013, 12:36:20 AM »
Thanks Himu, I'll check this out (then probably give up after a week, but maybe not).
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2013, 12:52:39 AM »
Conjugations...  :noah

Himu

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2013, 01:40:00 AM »
Holy shit that vocabulary/phrase deck. :noah

I am writing sentences in Japanese. :noah

I checked out memrise's Japanese lessons and it uses Romaaji.  :-X :yuck
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2013, 06:06:50 AM »
When you guys talk about learning Spanish, is this Spanish or Latin American Spanish?

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2013, 06:14:30 AM »
The Americans will be better served with Mexican Spanish of course.
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Himu

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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2013, 04:24:28 PM »
http://hukumusume.com/douwa/betu/index.html

Japanese children stories with audio. I know what I'm doing tonight once I read Remembering the Kana and take my walk!

On a happy note, the corresponding japansepod101 thread where it was linked had someone type thank you in Japanese and I read it in five seconds! I'm on my way! :)
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2013, 05:32:11 PM »
I took four years of Japanese in high school from 95-99. I can read hiragana/katakana and understand a decent amountl of what I read, ask for basic directions, order in a restaurant, watch shows and play games with basic verbal understanding, but kanji has always kicked my ass and carrying on a conversation with a native speaker is pretty tough (I did get stuck in a little town outside Tokyo and managed to stumble around with my weak ass Nihongo skills and had an old man get me on the right train once). At this point, moving to Japan for the total immersion experience is the only way I'll be able to get any better. And I don't see that happening. Oh well.
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Re: Let's teach ourselves a language!
« Reply #59 on: June 02, 2013, 12:31:33 AM »
I took four years of Japanese in high school from 95-99. I can read hiragana/katakana and understand a decent amountl of what I read, ask for basic directions, order in a restaurant, watch shows and play games with basic verbal understanding, but kanji has always kicked my ass and carrying on a conversation with a native speaker is pretty tough (I did get stuck in a little town outside Tokyo and managed to stumble around with my weak ass Nihongo skills and had an old man get me on the right train once). At this point, moving to Japan for the total immersion experience is the only way I'll be able to get any better. And I don't see that happening. Oh well.

I had two quarters of Japanese at a college. It was annoying. All the 2nd and 3rd gen kitchen-Japanese speaking nikkei being mollycoddled by the teacher when they learn what their name meant, and a bunch of non-Japanese struggling to conjugate basic verbs. The teachers were not interested in spreading the language past the spoor of desiderata.

The opposite happened in Japan after I arrived; even the smallest effort to speak was rewarded, and the only American Japanese guy I knew here was frequently inconvenienced when his language skills weren't perfect.

What progress I have made in Japanese can be attributed to the patient of my hosts in Japan.