SONY WON - PS4 NO DRM, USED GAMES, NO ONLINE ONLY, 399

[Eel O'Brian]

It's tiresome to read. Everything has to be an argument or a battle or an insult, nothing can ever be just be a simple discussion.

[demi]

Tensions are high during E3, it will die down once everyone's pussy is done being flared up.

[Don Flamenco]

[demi]

:lebronjameswidemouth

[Himu]

Yeah, if you're so worried about ANY drm - period - you might as well give up gaming. Common sense says they'll use drm on pc too just like ps4. The difference is ps4 ISN'T BUILT AROUND IT like the xbone. So any "" or "knew it" post sounds pretty fucking stupid. Might as well not game on any platform except 3ds and wii u at that point.

I'm a little tired of your belligerent attitude.

You've been playing the straight man on ps4 drm for weeks. We get good news and you have to bite harder and be pessimistic towards something that is obvious. Sorry.

[treythemovie]

Unlike Microsoft, Sony actually has to focus for the entire world so I'm expecting more announcements at Gamescom and TGS. So all the fanboy "Sony announced less exclusives!?" talk is pretty stupid. Also I wouldn't be shocked if they teased Uncharted 4 at launch or the VGAs.

[bork]

From that list? Not really. lol

 

Between Amazon and Gamestop it looks like I can get some good credit for all this shit.

Trade it in towards a PS4

I might, but will probably use it all towards buying upcoming releases and PS3/PC versions of a few more games.  Not gonna re-buy stuff I'm never gonna play again like Tomb Raider (at least not on consoles- why the hell did I not get a decent gaming PC earlier than a few weeks ago?    PC game sales are fuckin' amazing. ) though.  Just the few titles I'd replay or never finished and want to go back through.

Really trading in all your 360 stuff?

lol I've also been thinking about doing it.

Yeah, I think it's time to get rid of it while I can still get something for it.  PS3 is the keeper system for me at this point.

[magus]

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:donkeyse

[Rman]

Any Vita stuff?

[archnemesis]

No, nothing exciting. These games were shown during the conference.

Vita
• Batman: Arkham Origins
• Counterspy
• Destiny of Spirits
• Doki-Doki Universe
• Killzone: Mercenary
• Tearaway
• God of War 1 & 2
• Final Fantasy X & X-2
• Flower
• Dead Nation
• The Walking Dead: Season 2 - 400 days

[ManaByte]

[Phoenix Dark]

[Shaka Khan]

Wario64 ‏@Wario64 8m
Craploads of EA's online passes went free today on PSN

[Tasty]

No, nothing exciting. These games were shown during the conference.

Vita
• Batman: Arkham Origins
• Counterspy
• Destiny of Spirits
• Doki-Doki Universe
• Killzone: Mercenary
• Tearaway
• God of War 1 & 2
• Final Fantasy X & X-2
• Flower
• Dead Nation
• The Walking Dead: Season 2 - 400 days

At least Vita's not getting the deformed step brother of Arkham Origins, Blackgate.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

wait Vita is getting the full proper batman game?

[archnemesis]

No, I think it's a sidescrolling game with the exact same name. There is also a third version for the 3DS.

Edit: Blackgate is the name of the 3DS version as Andrex mentioned.

[Purple Filth]

No, I think it's a sidescrolling game with the exact same name. There is also a third version for the 3DS.

Edit: Blackgate is the name of the 3DS version as Andrex mentioned.

Huh I thought 3ds and Vita was getting the sidescrolling one and that was called Blackgate 

[parallax]

No, nothing exciting. These games were shown during the conference.

Vita
• Batman: Arkham Origins
• Counterspy
• Destiny of Spirits
• Doki-Doki Universe
• Killzone: Mercenary
• Tearaway
• God of War 1 & 2
• Final Fantasy X & X-2
• Flower
• Dead Nation
• The Walking Dead: Season 2 - 400 days

is that just sonys booth, or overall?

[archnemesis]

That was just the games they mentioned during the conference. They probably have more on the show floor.

[archnemesis]

No, I think it's a sidescrolling game with the exact same name. There is also a third version for the 3DS.

Edit: Blackgate is the name of the 3DS version as Andrex mentioned.

Huh I thought 3ds and Vita was getting the sidescrolling one and that was called Blackgate 

You might be right. It's not a favorite franchise of mine so I wasn't really paying that much attention to it.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

[ManaByte]

After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

Actually the 1995 price reveal was even better than just projecting the price on a screen:

[Himu]

After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

Actually the 1995 price reveal was even better than just projecting the price on a screen:

Omg

[nudemacusers]

first time i've seen that.

harsh. I love it.

[Snuflupagulus]

@Hitler

Definitely agree the games are lacking. Not that what was shown by MS and Sony doesn't appear competent, but where's the imagination? Granted, it's a new gen, core audience, etc. That doesn't need to preclude some risk tho, does it?

I mean, fucking Killzone. Ugh.

[cool breeze]

The guy isn't playing it well, assuming it allows the same creative play style, speed and agility of the last two.

Very, very happy that the camera is pulled way back now.  The smoke powers and visual effects look fantastic.  Environments look more destructible than before.

This is the one game I really want for PS4.

[Smooth Groove]

After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

Pretty much how I feel except I'll probably just stay with the PC and skip the PS4 for at a year or two

Feels kinda weird since I've been getting every console day 1 or as soon as possible since the PS2

[Bebpo]

The guy isn't playing it well, assuming it allows the same creative play style, speed and agility of the last two.

Very, very happy that the camera is pulled way back now.  The smoke powers and visual effects look fantastic.  Environments look more destructible than before.

This is the one game I really want for PS4.

Looks good and pretty far along.  Hopefully it's early 2014 and not like June or something.  After the initial launch, there's probably going to be a drought of titles until this comes out.

[headwalk]

The guy isn't playing it well, assuming it allows the same creative play style, speed and agility of the last two.

Very, very happy that the camera is pulled way back now.  The smoke powers and visual effects look fantastic.  Environments look more destructible than before.

This is the one game I really want for PS4.

it looks okay (it's hard to get buzzed by a demo where there is no perceivable conflict or threat), but also a reminder that all that IN-ENGINE footage they rolled out in the press conference exists purely for message board arguments.

bullfootage is the new bullshot.

nintendo's conference was the equivalent of turning up to your ex's wedding with an extra 50lb, two week neckbeard and fedora.

[cool breeze]

and prerendered cutscenes.  don't forget those.

Looks good and pretty far along.  Hopefully it's early 2014 and not like June or something.  After the initial launch, there's probably going to be a drought of titles until this comes out.

My guess is early March. 

Launch isn't looking too bad.  Sony has three safe games with Killzone (PDZ), Knack (Kameo), and Driveclub (PGR), plus tons of third party games.  It's well rounded even if there's nothing I want for it.  I'll end up getting Knack to have a game to play.  Actually between the two consoles Dead Rising 3 is the launch game I want most, but I'm not getting the Xbox One.

[headwalk]

and prerendered cutscenes.  don't forget those.

Looks good and pretty far along.  Hopefully it's early 2014 and not like June or something.  After the initial launch, there's probably going to be a drought of titles until this comes out.

My guess is early March. 

Launch isn't looking too bad.  Sony has three safe games with Killzone (PDZ), Knack (Kameo), and Driveclub (PGR), plus tons of third party games.  It's well rounded even if there's nothing I want for it.  I'll end up getting Knack to have a game to play.  Actually between the two consoles Dead Rising 3 is the launch game I want most, but I'm not getting the Xbox One.

i think this e3 has proved to me more than anything that my tastes aren't representative of what makes a game that people enjoy. i watch all this footage and i feel more like i'm trying to pick a good present for someone else's birthday rather than responding to some kind of internal craving.

i still enjoy the circus and the right game can definitely still chub me, but my tastes come from a completely arbitrary collection of unknowable influences to the point where i'd never advise anyone to spend more that a couple of million dollars making a game for someone like me.

i can't rage at the machine. i guess steam is right for me; a completely scatter-shot approach with such an esoteric spread of particular and peculiar shit that my game inbox is an ominous black monolith of questionable purchases.

maybe i am the cause of the industry funk, and whichever product touches my heart will ascend to legendary status and single handedly save the medium, but right now i'm just going to try and vicariously enjoy what i can and try not to be too much of an asshole when my big budget hopes and dreams go unfulfilled.

probably won't last.

[chronovore]

The guy isn't playing it well, assuming it allows the same creative play style, speed and agility of the last two.

Very, very happy that the camera is pulled way back now.  The smoke powers and visual effects look fantastic.  Environments look more destructible than before.

This is the one game I really want for PS4.

That looked like a lot of fun, fer shure.

[Smooth Groove]

Graphics aren't that impressive, kinda like last gen done right or typical PC the last few years

[ManaByte]

[ManaByte]

Yup. There is no diff than now.

SCEA is also stopping their online passes.

I wonder why...

I know you would just LOVE for it to be due to DRM like your beloved Xbox, but it's because of the PS Plus requirement for online play:
http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/

To keep things fair they're removing the option for online passes. That goes for first and third party software.

[Rahxephon91]

At Gamestop today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks.

[ManaByte]

When I was putting more money down on my PS4 people were calling in asking about the PS4. They don't have any Xbone reserves yet.

[Don Flamenco]

At Gamestop today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks.

I was on Earth today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks

[Don Flamenco]

Graphics aren't that impressive, kinda like last gen done right or typical PC the last few years

The facial animations stood out to me.  and there's some particle porn

[Rahxephon91]

At Gamestop today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks.

I was on Earth today, no one could stop talking about how much the Xbox sucks

hehe yeah I get it. It's just I rarely here people irl talk about video games.

But it's a testament to the fact that MS probably thought they would be safe with the dude who just buys CoD and Madden and they may have turned off your casual gamer just as much as your core gamer.

[cool breeze]

http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/sony-s-scott-rohde-answers-your-burning-ps4-questi/1600-504/

Patrick asks Sonyguy about the paywall and free to play games.  Sonyguy tells Patrick that it's possible to play free to play games without being a subscriber, on a game to game basis.

Patrick also asks Sonyguy about multiple accounts from different regions.  Sonyguy confirms it supports multiple accounts, everyone can sign in at the same time (earns trophies, unlike the PS3).  Befuddled by region question.

Patrick's doing a good jon


and here's a video that shows how the camera can do Kinect and Move junk:

[nudemacusers]

Noo infamous bro don't trash the science center  :'( :'(

[Rahxephon91]

What about MMOs? With FF14 and Elder Scrolls Online, it's pretty obvious that PS4 is going to be even more open to MMOs? Are they going to be behind the PSN paywall as well?

[mjemirzian]

Sure it doesn't look like Metro: Last Light running on a 780 but it's incredible for a $399 box.

I know people tend to roll their eyes at HD ports but I'd love some uprezzed PS3 games at 1080p/60 on PS4.

Oh and mouse/keyboard support, make it happen Sony.

[ManaByte]

What about MMOs? With FF14 and Elder Scrolls Online, it's pretty obvious that PS4 is going to be even more open to MMOs? Are they going to be behind the PSN paywall as well?

As all of the MMOs announced so far (PS2, DCUO) except for FFXIV are Free 2 Play, the free 2 play rules probably apply to them.

[Himu]

Infamous Second Son looks REALLY fucking cool. I dunno, I could never get into Infamous. But that just looks more appealing and I can't articulate on why. I mean technically it's the same thing right? But I like the fire powers, and especially enjoy how fire powers can be handled like a tps and the sheer destruction you can pull off. The main character appears to be more agile as well. Just all around badass.

[Bebpo]

Definitely.

I really liked the first two games, but Cole had pretty much zero personality and his sidekick buddy was annoying.  Characters in this one seem a lot more appealing.

[huckleberry]

I know this doesn't apply to most of you since you aren't parents or just don't care but has anyone heard if one PS + membership covers all sub accounts for online play?

Found the answer to my own question...if anyone else is interested the answer is 1 PS+ covers all accounts on the console.

[Smooth Groove]

Sure it doesn't look like Metro: Last Light running on a 780 but it's incredible for a $399 box.

I know people tend to roll their eyes at HD ports but I'd love some uprezzed PS3 games at 1080p/60 on PS4.

Oh and mouse/keyboard support, make it happen Sony.

That would be nice, especially for games that were ruined by crappy framerates, like Heavenly Sword

But the PS4's power leap is probably not big enough to overcome the PS3's architectural differences for 1080P/60 ports

[Smooth Groove]

Infamous Second Son looks REALLY fucking cool. I dunno, I could never get into Infamous. But that just looks more appealing and I can't articulate on why. I mean technically it's the same thing right? But I like the fire powers, and especially enjoy how fire powers can be handled like a tps and the sheer destruction you can pull off. The main character appears to be more agile as well. Just all around badass.

lightning powers were really well done in Infamous though

I hope they bring them back

[Himu]

Yeah I'm excited he's a native.

[Madrun Badrun]

One of the best things about being a white male is not giving a shit about diversity in videogame characters. 

[nudemacusers]

One of the best things about being a white male is not giving a shit about diversity in videogame characters.

this isn't true, I really would prefer to see minorities cleaning up the cities I am working to destroy.

[Madrun Badrun]

One of the best things about being a white male is not giving a shit about diversity in videogame characters.

this isn't true, I really would prefer to see minorities cleaning up the cities I am working to destroy.

Realism is important in games. 

[Joe Molotov]

After finally watching all three conferences for the first time back to back, I don't exactly know how I feel except for total indifference to what Nintendo is doing.  Holy fuck Nintendo.  Absolutely zero appeal.

MS showed more games that I was interested in but then again most of them will be available on the PC and/or PS4.  The DRM nonsense is probably going to stop me from buying one, or at least right away.  I generally don't loan out games or buy a lot of used but the product stinks of anti-consumerism and I'll probably avoid buying one until they make some changes.  The price isn't a big deal for me but I might as well wait until they drop it by a couple hundred bucks before I consider it.  MS can fuck off until they figure it out.

The PS4 is obviously the better deal even though the press conference was lacking until the very end when they addressed the DRM issue and disclosed the price.  Total ass kicking moment by Sony.  It reminded me a lot of the E3 from 1995 when everyone expected the Playstation to be similarly priced to the just announced $399 Saturn and Sony came out and projected the $299 price on the huge projection screen.  It was a complete curb stomp then and it was just as effective now.  I'll definitely get a PS4 but man I wish I was more excited about the games..... Destiny seemed surprisingly cool though.  Wasn't expecting that to be liking that.

Actually the 1995 price reveal was even better than just projecting the price on a screen:

Omg

Now that was a mic dropping! 

[Purple Filth]

Infamous

And I see that weird stance wont be going away 

I also think that dude is more charismatic than Cole tbh

Yea its the opposite this time around where Cole was some dude who seemingly didn't really like having powers and broods a bit and now this new guy who is completely psyched and excited about it.

And he gives off a asshole vibe that's kinda refreshing 

[Human Snorenado]

I never played the first two Infamous games, but the new one looks kinda cool

Honestly there's nothing I really want to play, but I have really narrow tastes at this point in my life.  ARPGS, infinity engine rpgs, and Bethesda games are what I like to play.  Oh, and Saints Row games.

[Mr. Gundam]

Fucking around in my hometown in a game? Yes, please.

[Eel O'Brian]

As long as you can skip through the godawful "Occupie SuperHeroez!" cutscenes.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

The characters in Infamous were aggressively unappealing.  Fuck Cole, seriously.  And Zeke....kill it with fire.  What an awful collection of twats.

The games were a ton of fun to play though and I'm sure this will be too.  Plus Second Son is set in Seattle so I'm kind of required to play it by state law.