ZimmerMAN is the hero we deserve

[Himu]

Because it's going to happen. Prosecution has not done well at all establishing this as murder and Zimmerman has good defense.

Zim is going to walk.

[Eric P]

Lots of bitching on twitter

[Joe Molotov]

Reddit detectives will post his address, it will turn out to be the wrong address, and the people that live there will sue Reddit out of business.

[Himu]

Reddit detectives will post his address, it will turn out to be the wrong address, and the people that live there will sue Reddit out of business. (Image removed from quote.)

Please god please

[Phoenix Dark]

nm

fuck him

[tiesto]

RACE WAR!!!!!

[headwalk]

RACE WAR!!!!!

bracewar?

good band. backed.

[StealthFan]

.

[StealthFan]

In reality, a lot of stupid white liberals are going to be consumed with white guilt and clog the facebook feeds. Idiots were claiming that the treatment the fat, illiterate moron got was racism. They also defended the use of cracker.

Nobody defends black people as much as white liberals. I see a lot of idiots claim there will be riots but I don't see it. A lot of black people in Florida live in fear of the gun toting honkies that occupy a lot of the state.

[Phoenix Dark]

Hopefully Zimmerman, his brother, and father find themselves on the opposite side of a Stand Your Ground situation.

[StealthFan]

You really think Trayvon was completely innocent? The media has whitewashed the hell out of his backstory. Kid was dealing drugs and he had womens jewelry in his room that he obviously stole. The fact that the media chose to use an old childhood picture as opposed to the ones where he's trying to look "thug" is disgusting.

[Himu]

In reality, a lot of stupid white liberals are going to be consumed with white guilt and clog the facebook feeds. Idiots were claiming that the treatment the fat, illiterate moron got was racism. They also defended the use of cracker.

Nobody defends black people as much as white liberals. I see a lot of idiots claim there will be riots but I don't see it. A lot of black people in Florida live in fear of the gun toting honkies that occupy a lot of the state.

Let's defend black people.

Then let's suggest black peoples only means of communication is violence!

Sounds pretty accurate.

[Himu]

You really think Trayvon was completely innocent? The media has whitewashed the hell out of his backstory. Kid was dealing drugs and he had womens jewelry in his room that he obviously stole. The fact that the media chose to use an old childhood picture as opposed to the ones where he's trying to look "thug" is disgusting.

Are you telling me that Trayvon being hood makes his murder justified? Him being hood doesn't change the altercation.

[Mandark]

StealthFan hasn't really left an impression on me before.  He always this shitty?

[Steve Youngblood]

Yes.

[DCharlieJP]

the biggest part of this whole thing i don't get is the whole Zimmer gave chase and Tray ran away.... then came back and confronted Zimmer minutes later at his car to say "why are you chasing me?"

that.... that sounds a bit weird doesn't it?

Both prosecution and defense aren't contesting that so they agree it happens but it doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Eel O'Brian]

Isn't this guy, like, not even white?

[StealthFan]

He's Mexican.

StealthFan hasn't really left an impression on me before.  He always this shitty?

Like I give a fuck about what impression I give you Go listen to Kendrick Lamarr, cracker.

[Great Rumbler]

You really think Trayvon was completely innocent? The media has whitewashed the hell out of his backstory. Kid was dealing drugs and he had womens jewelry in his room that he obviously stole. The fact that the media chose to use an old childhood picture as opposed to the ones where he's trying to look "thug" is disgusting.

Are you telling me that Trayvon being hood makes his murder justified? Him being hood doesn't change the altercation.

if you commit a crime you deserve to die (Image removed from quote.)

This is the way actual conservatives think, yes.

[StealthFan]

I don't think he deserved to die for wearing a hood. I just think it's likely he attacked Zimmerman.

[brawndolicious]

I think most likely Trayvon was justified in everything he did from the moment he left the convenience store to the moment he died. Somebody is following you in some pick-up truck, you will be scared for your life and should be allowed to defend yourself if you feel it's necessary. I mean if Trayvon was the one with the gun, wouldn't the law allow him to shoot George when he got out of his car?

Trayvon might not have been a saint but I think George Zimmerman showed enough bad judgement that he needs to be jailed to send a message to unofficial neighborhood watch volunteers who ignore what the 911 operator tells them to do.

[pickle]

I don't think he deserved to die for wearing a hood. I just think it's likely he attacked Zimmerman.

This is a really murky case and I don't think you can just simplify things like that. If he did attack him, it could be because he was a shady guy with a gun stalking him as he walked home from a convenience store at night. It's worth pointing out again that Zimmerman felt the use of deadly force was justified against an unarmed teenager that weighed a good 30 pounds less than him. You could dredge up an awful lot about Zimmerman's background. He did kickboxing and MMA. He had a history of assaulting others. I'd be happy if he got a manslaughter charge because I don't  think he set out to murder someone, he just made a series of very stupid, un-adultlike decisions.

[Phoenix Dark]

What does Trayvon being a dumb kid have to do with whether he deserved to die or not? Zimmerman was specifically told not to follow the kid, he did anyway and that sparked a confrontation.

[StealthFan]

While I am sure Zimmerman, who once again isn't white ffs, isn't a saint either.

That said, what does training in kickboxing and MMA have to do with anything?

[Joe Molotov]

I know if some mexican dude was following me around at night, I'd be pretty scared. 

[Oblivion]

Well, someone Fox News (Hannity, I think) said that Obama secretly hopes Zimmerman gets acquitted so that all the rage that Black people build up will cause them to vote in the midterms.

[DCharlieJP]

I've stood on less stupid things than Hannity

anyways, the crux of this for me is the fact Zimmer was told not to confront - yet decided to do anyways. At that point he's already decided against professional advice that the kid was guilty of something and deserved some sort of justice. "they always get away with it" - or something like that.

[Positive Touch]

exactly - regardless of anything, zimmerman was a grown man with a history of "OMG BLACK PEOPLE" who decided against the explicit statements of a 911 operator to chase the kid down and harass him. when trayvon did the sensible thing and told the dude to fuck off, he got beat for it and when he tried to defend himself he got killed. the only bs GZ defenders try to fall on is claiming trayvon attacked GZ after the first confrontation. i still have yet to see any proof of this, any motive, and any reason why this would still justify murder even IF it was true (but lets be real; its not).

fuck george zimmerman and fuck anyone who defends his kid-killing ass. i hope he doesnt walk.

[Himu]

I don't think he deserved to die for wearing a hood. I just think it's likely he attacked Zimmerman.

I said "a hood" not "wearing a hoodie"

[pickle]

While I am sure Zimmerman, who once again isn't white ffs, isn't a saint either.

That said, what does training in kickboxing and MMA have to do with anything?

He knew how to fight and shouldn't have needed to use lethal force.

[Hock]

Isn't Zimmerman's story that once the operator told him to stop he went back to his car and was attacked by Trayvon? It still makes no sense that the kid being followed turned around and decided to pursue the guy following him, but according to Zimmerman's side he apparently did listen to the operator.

[Himu]

Why doesn't this gated community security cameras if they're willing to go as far as use gates?

[Eel O'Brian]

I predict someone will be photographed displaying their outrage at this injustice by pushing an entire rack of clothing out of the busted front doors of a retail establishment.

[Mandark]

Bare facts that everyone agrees on: Zimmerman followed Martin because he thought Martin was suspicious, Zimmerman had a gun, the relevant authorities told Zimmerman he shouldn't be following Martin, and at some point there was a confrontation where Zimmerman used his gun to shoot and kill Martin.

At some point, trying to fill the gaps in the story so that Zimmerman isn't at all morally or legally culpable is either impossible, or is approaching Benoit-vortex levels of implausibility.

"Bububu the media showed a yearbook picture of him smiling!"  Like they've done with 99.9% of dead teenagers in the era of televised local news.  Yeesh.

[Positive Touch]

Why doesn't this gated community security cameras if they're willing to go as far as use gates?

hes not real neighborhood watch, he just liked to "patrol" the area on his own.

Isn't Zimmerman's story that once the operator told him to stop he went back to his car and was attacked by Trayvon? It still makes no sense that the kid being followed turned around and decided to pursue the guy following him, but according to Zimmerman's side he apparently did listen to the operator.

no, in the 911 call he tells the operator hes going after trayvon anyway, and in trayvons call to his friend he tells her that hes trying to get away from zimmerman who was following him. there is zero evidence of trayvon initiating an attack except for zimmermans ever-changing story.

[Mandark]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there no plans to charge Zimmerman with anything related to this until it got picked up as a national story?

Maybe they're going to botch the prosecution or it would be hard to prove murder beyond a reasonable doubt, and yeah Trayvon became a way for people to express some shallow self-righteousness across social media, which is always a bit annoying.

But this is a case where a grown man was acting at best as a dangerous, irresponsible fool who got someone killed.  If he was seriously going to walk without a single legal consequence, that's something folks really should be making a stink about.

[Himu]

You misunderstand. If the community is gated and has a problem with robberies, where are there no security cameras recording this altercation?

[Hock]

Why doesn't this gated community security cameras if they're willing to go as far as use gates?

hes not real neighborhood watch, he just liked to "patrol" the area on his own.

Isn't Zimmerman's story that once the operator told him to stop he went back to his car and was attacked by Trayvon? It still makes no sense that the kid being followed turned around and decided to pursue the guy following him, but according to Zimmerman's side he apparently did listen to the operator.

no, in the 911 call he tells the operator hes going after trayvon anyway, and in trayvons call to his friend he tells her that hes trying to get away from zimmerman who was following him. there is zero evidence of trayvon initiating an attack except for zimmermans ever-changing story.

Oh I dont believe for a second that trayvon initiated the attack in the way that zimmerman says. Its way too convenient for him and flips the situation to make trayvon out to be the pursuer.

[Mandark]

Himu:  IME there's not a ton of security cameras pointed at the streets of nice neighborhoods (which is different from gated communities, but I gotta assume has a lot of overlap).

[Himu]

So the scene of the crime was a nice neighborhood?

[Brehvolution]

You really think Trayvon was completely innocent? The media has whitewashed the hell out of his backstory. Kid was dealing drugs and he had womens jewelry in his room that he obviously stole. The fact that the media chose to use an old childhood picture as opposed to the ones where he's trying to look "thug" is disgusting.

Are you telling me that Trayvon being hood makes his murder justified? Him being hood doesn't change the altercation.

if you commit a crime you deserve to die (Image removed from quote.)

This is the way actual conservatives think, yes.

Unless a conservative was committing the crime, then they deserve a second chance.

[Positive Touch]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there no plans to charge Zimmerman with anything related to this until it got picked up as a national story?

you are correct sir

[Mandark]

Himu, the Socratic method.  Stahp.

[Himu]

I'm just curious about the neighborhood in question. I just don't have much knowledge about gated communities in general. There's only one gated community I've ever been to.

[Mandark]

Well I'm not fucking Wikipedia!

[Himu]

Please make that your tag, Mandark.

[Phoenix Dark]

Kill Whitey

coming soon my niccaz

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Reddit detectives will post his address, it will turn out to be the wrong address, and the people that live there will sue Reddit out of business. (Image removed from quote.)

That would be sweet.  Also lawsuits against other websites that repost information Redditards uncovered.  So I'm hoping NeoGAF gets hit up as well.  Maybe Gawker too but I'm probably being too optimistic.

[Joe Molotov]

You really think Trayvon was completely innocent? The media has whitewashed the hell out of his backstory. Kid was dealing drugs and he had womens jewelry in his room that he obviously stole. The fact that the media chose to use an old childhood picture as opposed to the ones where he's trying to look "thug" is disgusting.

Are you telling me that Trayvon being hood makes his murder justified? Him being hood doesn't change the altercation.

if you commit a crime you deserve to die (Image removed from quote.)

This is the way actual conservatives think, yes.

Unless a conservative was committing the crime, then they deserve a second chance.

IOKIYAR

[headwalk]

seems like a big case of probably but maybe not, and probably but maybe does not a murder conviction make. been entertaining to watch the GAF thread play like a world cup final, though.

it was an idiotic decision to go for murder two over straight manslaughter/wrongful death.

[fistfulofmetal]

this shit reminds me of the casey anthony trial. a prosecution who oversteps and tries to convict on charges they can't prove so the defendant walks.

[StealthFan]

This is nothing like the Casey Anthony trial. The defendant doesn't give me a boner.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

This trial is at the part where Angie Harmon and Sam Waterston try to strike a closed doors deal with the defense attorney.

[Mandark]

What?  Jack McCoy never wanted to take a plea bargain.  He'd go rant at Adam Schiff until the old dude said "Fine, fine, take it to trial, but you're going to need something better..." just to get McCoy out of his office.  At which point the lawyers start sifting through the evidence again until they spot something new which changes their whole understanding of the case, leading to the slow zoom-in confession scene when the suspect (or society wife who they deduced was the real culprit) pours their soul out.

All of this being necessary because Briscoe was the worst detective in the world, whose derpy disregard for procedure meant at least one key piece of evidence would be suppressed every single episode.

[Great Rumbler]

So when does Perry Mason show up to point out the real killer?

[Snake]

What?  Jack McCoy never wanted to take a plea bargain.  He'd go rant at Adam Schiff until the old dude said "Fine, fine, take it to trial, but you're going to need something better..." just to get McCoy out of his office.  At which point the lawyers start sifting through the evidence again until they spot something new which changes their whole understanding of the case, leading to the slow zoom-in confession scene when the suspect (or society wife who they deduced was the real culprit) pours their soul out.

All of this being necessary because Briscoe was the worst detective in the world, whose derpy disregard for procedure meant at least one key piece of evidence would be suppressed every single episode.

My only regret is that I can't Like this post twice.

[Madrun Badrun]

I like that post, but not as much as I like Law and Order.  Fuck you for bad mouthing my Briscoe.

[Boogie]

Zimmerman was specifically told not to follow the kid, he did anyway

Nitpicking here, and I haven't really followed this case since it initially happened, but the bolded is not quite accurate.

IIRC, the language used by the 911 operator when Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon was "kay, we don't need you to do that."

Which, to rational individuals, the implication is clear for him to stop fucking following him, but if one's perspective is a bit skewed, it could be perceived (and likely argued in court) as "okay, you don't need me to do that, but I'm just so gosh-darned motivated and helpful that I will keep following anyway.  Don't want him to get away, after all."


I'm not defending Zimmerman, it's bullshit for him to follow either way, but "we don't need you to follow him" != "Don't follow him".  One would be a clear direction, the other comes across as a suggestion.

Of course, if I'm mis-remembering the 911 operator's spiel, then disregard anyway.

[lordmaji]

RIOT!!!!! 

[Shadow Mod]

If he walks this sets a very fucked precedent that people can just follow someone minding their own fucking business, shoot them dead and then claim a self-defense struggle took place.