ZimmerMAN is the hero we deserve

[Shadow Mod]

its just pathetic that someone like that didnt get screened out by the prosecutors

Wouldn't they have to take a long time jury pooling people from Florida to get some decent folk?

Easy way to get out of jury duty in places that aren't FL or LA: say you have a family member in law enforcement.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

My position is that both sides of this case have their fair share of ignorance on display...from victor cruz saying the hood would be at zimmerman in a year to some idiot here somehow impying conservatives would restate slavery to hillbilles now emulating this dickbag zimmerman all over my state.

When my kid walked to his friends today I watched him all the way and walked down and picked him up. I'm tired of all this bullshit and I am also tired of symphatizers with no "real" to them.

Guess I'm just disappointed at all this shit...as usual, and I hoped my kid would not have to see this shit.

[Mandark]

Yeah, she sounded racist as fuck tbh. She said that Rachel Jeantel wasn't credible because of her education level and the only thing she believed about her testimony was that Trayvon called Zimmerman a creepy-ass cracka, because "this is just the kind of life they're living and the environment they're in".

...

[Himu]

Okay, please explain your position on sympathizers.

Devo, do you hang on to your purse when walking close to a black man or cross the other street? Answer honestly.

[Mandark]

Devo, do you hang on to your purse when walking close to a black man or cross the other street? Answer honestly.

That would be a terrible thing to do.


...you need the purse hanging loose, with your hand inside already gripping the taser.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Okay, please explain your position on sympathizers.

Devo, do you hang on to your purse when walking close to a black man or cross the other street? Answer honestly.

Oh you know, "Billy Donaven" professional dudebro in sales coming over to share how upset that he was that trayvon martLING was killed and that dude totally walked. But I like black people so we're cool bro tyoes and the sicophants on gaf mostly.

[Shadow Mod]

Okay, please explain your position on sympathizers.

Devo, do you hang on to your purse when walking close to a black man or cross the other street? Answer honestly.

Girl I'm already hanging on to my purse close. When anyone walks by. I don't cross the street when some dude is behind me. Last person who followed me was some older white man.

I actually feel bad when I move my purse closer to me when people get on the bus. I'm opening up a seat but I feel like it looks more like "don't touch my shit." Oh well.

[Phoenix Dark]

Yeah, she sounded racist as fuck tbh. She said that Rachel Jeantel wasn't credible because of her education level and the only thing she believed about her testimony was that Trayvon called Zimmerman a creepy-ass cracka, because "this is just the kind of life they're living and the environment they're in".

...

walk away...

Not reading any more. Jesus christ. That's almost re-trial type shit.

[Dickie Dee]

Okay, please explain your position on sympathizers.

Devo, do you hang on to your purse when walking close to a black man or cross the other street? Answer honestly.

Oh you know, "Billy Donaven" professional dudebro in sales coming over to share how upset that he was that trayvon martLING was killed and that dude totally walked. But I like black people so we're cool bro tyoes and the sicophants on gaf mostly.

You're focusing your anger in some pretty weird directions dude

[Mandark]

walk away...

Not reading any more. Jesus christ. That's almost re-trial type shit.

Some day I'm going to learn how to read twitter. Is the summary that she thinks zimmerman was guilty but he learned his lesson so it's all good? Because if so mistrial this shit right now.

No such thing, guys!  Double jeopardy!  Which, along with the right to trial by jury, is guaranteed by the Constitution.

[Steve Youngblood]

My position is that both sides of this case have their fair share of ignorance on display...from victor cruz saying the hood would be at zimmerman in a year to some idiot here somehow impying conservatives would restate slavery to hillbilles now emulating this dickbag zimmerman all over my state.

When my kid walked to his friends today I watched him all the way and walked down and picked him up. I'm tired of all this bullshit and I am also tired of symphatizers with no "real" to them.

Guess I'm just disappointed at all this shit...as usual, and I hoped my kid would not have to see this shit.

I'm honestly not striving for pithy derision or trying to be overly antagonistic here, but I have no earthly idea what you're getting at.

[Shadow Mod]

Her interview fits the narrative of this country though. You have to be an angel to be considered a victim. And you're more likely to be perceived an angel the whiter you happen to be. Black people are a constant threat, even when you're just walking back from a store with skittles and tea.

[Madrun Badrun]

Don't worry Am, Mandark is just mad that you've ousted him as a conscious crutcher.  As a white Canadian who has never exploited any black people in past generations, I am obviously above the politics of this matter and I agree with you in thing justice was served.  Case close.   

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I have to think there is some precedent that deals with a corrupted jury?

[Dickie Dee]

Some day I'm going to learn how to read twitter. Is the summary that she thinks zimmerman was guilty but he learned his lesson so it's all good? Because if so mistrial this shit right now.

No such thing, guys!  Double jeopardy!  Which, along with the right to trial by jury, is guaranteed by the Constitution.

Along with the Right to a One Murder Mulligan

[Joe Molotov]

Some day I'm going to learn how to read twitter. Is the summary that she thinks zimmerman was guilty but he learned his lesson so it's all good? Because if so mistrial this shit right now.

No such thing, guys!  Double jeopardy!  Which, along with the right to trial by jury, is guaranteed by the Constitution.

Along with the Right to a One Murder Mulligan

Zimmerman's going to be the safest guy in the world with a gun now; he's learned his lesson.

[Positive Touch]

I have to think there is some precedent that deals with a corrupted jury?

the prosecution couldnt even handle the racial aspect of this case; what makes you think they could prove something like that?

[Phoenix Dark]

The juror also said she was aware of the political furor surrounding the case. Sounds like perjury to me.

[Shadow Mod]

The juror also said she was aware of the political furor surrounding the case. Sounds like perjury to me.

Probably wouldn't find too many people unaware of it but yeah she's dumb for admitting that.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

From pretrial jury selection...anyone wanna play find the redneck?

[Mandark]

I have to think there is some precedent that deals with a corrupted jury?

Nope.  If a trial reaches completion without a mistrial or hung jury, and they reach a not guilty verdict, it's over.  The state of Florida may never bring Zimmerman to court for the same crime again, regardless of any new evidence, any changed testimony, or any revelations about the jurors.  I'm no lawyer, but I'm 99% sure about that.

The only criminal remedy is if the federal government tries to do a runaround and charge Zimmerman with violating Martin's civil rights or something like that (IIRC this is how charges were brought against the LAPD officers in the Rodney King case).

[Positive Touch]

uh isnt that dudes mom in that lineup

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Which I think they will do. But it's a comparative failure in execution....he'll get max 3 years in a country club jail for his own "safety."

[Positive Touch]

i dont think theres a chance in hell barack obama and eric holder will intervene in this case

[Mandark]

Man, if you thought there was some ignorance before, imagine if ERIC HOLDER AND PRESIDENT NOBAMA bring a goddam CIVIL RIGHTS charge against Zimmerman.

Racesplosion.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

i dont think theres a chance in hell barack obama and eric holder will intervene in this case

I dunno, Obama definitely has 2nd term balls right now.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Man, if you thought there was some ignorance before, imagine if ERIC HOLDER AND PRESIDENT NOBAMA bring a goddam CIVIL RIGHTS charge against Zimmerman.

Racesplosion.

It is a civil rights violation at it's core. Iced Tea and skittles isn't cause for profiling/following/killing a child.

[Shadow Mod]

What bugs me out most is the shit about him running being suspicious. The fuck. Who the hell in that situation just wants to turn around and ask your stalker "please stop?" Fuck people can be so damn deluded.

[Mandark]

It is a civil rights violation at it's core. Iced Tea and skittles isn't cause for profiling/following/killing a child.

That's what I think!

But whenever I say it, this drunk black Republican dude starts yelling at me to shut up.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

What bugs me out most is the shit about him running being suspicious. The fuck. Who the hell in that situation just wants to turn around and ask your stalker "please stop?" Fuck people can be so damn deluded.

I grew up in LA...where I came from you ran from Mexicans in cars as a way of life. They are some tough proud ass motherfuckers, believe me. Can't see it being any different over there.

[Himu]

I can kind of see the logic in the argument. Depending on how I was being stalked, I'd turn around and ask them why they were following me. Since Martin lived in the neighborhood, if it were a cop, all he'd have to do is point to where he lived and show id. If it were a normal person, I'd just keep walking normally. Running would make them think you have something to hide.

But it's too late now, and I hate what if scenarios.

[Shadow Mod]

I can kind of see the logic in the argument. Depending on how I was being stalked, I'd turn around and ask them why they were following me. Since Martin lived in the neighborhood, if it were a cop, all he'd have to do is point to where he lived. If it were a normal person, I'd just keep walking normally. Running would make them think you have something to hide.

But it's too late now, and I hate what if scenarios.

Been in that situation. Older dude, didn't feel like being a rape victim that day, I booked it.

[Himu]

It totally depends on the situation and yes, Martin would never have to deal with something a girl would have to deal with. Was Zimmerman in his car at this point? Was he on foot?

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I can kind of see the logic in the argument. Depending on how I was being stalked, I'd turn around and ask them why they were following me. Since Martin lived in the neighborhood, if it were a cop, all he'd have to do is point to where he lived and show id. If it were a normal person, I'd just keep walking normally. Running would make them think you have something to hide.

But it's too late now, and I hate what if scenarios.

I'd run. I know that much. Some guy following my ass around in a car on the phone? Out 5 son.

[Shadow Mod]

It totally depends on the situation and yes, Martin would never have to deal with something a girl would have to deal with. Was Zimmerman in his car at this point? Was he on foot?

You never know. I just don't think anyone other than a cop is owed words. Someone stalking you could be unstable, a killer, a rapist. I just don't understand the insistence that Trayvon had to assume Zimmerman was just some benevolent watchman. It's stupid.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Been in that situation. Older dude, didn't feel like being a rape victim that day, I booked it.

What about Tuesdays? I'm available on Tuesdays.

Tuesday is meatloaf night....shoot for thursday am.

[Positive Touch]

part that gets me is how so many bought into the bit about trayvon jumping out of some bushes to karate chop zimmerman to death. that story came directly from zimmerman and since so much of the rest of what he said was garbage why are we buying into this?

[Himu]

Every time I go on a walk, I take my wallet for this reason. Since I live in the suburbs in a relatively nice neighborhood. being black, people will think I'm sketchy just because I'm black. So I'll have id on hand if anyone bugs me about living there. Of course, I have never had that situation ever come about and robberies are a totally different matter too. But I always carry id for this reason.

[Mandark]

Yeah.

Besides the fact that it's a tall order to ask a 17 year old to act perfectly rationally in a potentially violent situation with so little information, "run the fuck away" is pretty decent advice when being tracked by a menacing stranger.

[Himu]

Definitely seems sound to me. Again, I hate what if scenarios and I'm pretty sure Trayvon did the right thing. The question then becomes, why the fuck did Zimmerman not pause to ask who Trayvon was and if he lived in the neighborhood. But of course, we already know that the answer to that.

[Great Rumbler]

Start with the general observations already raised in Gawker: B37 consumes no media beyond the Today Show—no radio, no Internet news and no newspapers used for anything but lining her parrot cage. Perhaps because she does not consume any media, she was under the false belief that there were “riots” after the Martin shooting.  She also described the Martin killing as "an unfortunate incident that happened."

Robert Weisberg teaches criminal law at Stanford Law School, and he immediately wonders what it meant when juror B37 asserted that “You never get all the information. How do you form an opinion if you don’t have all the information?" Weisberg sums up his lawyerly concerns in one sentence: “She thinks the world is one big reasonable doubt.”

She speaks for the millions of Americans who believe that everyone is lying about something and the media lies about everything. The Internet, she explains, is for getting to the next level on Candy Crush Saga, not for getting information. And since everything is a lie, she doesn’t care enough to learn that the riots she believes to have happened did not.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_trial_juror_b37_why_did_prosecutors_let_her_on_the_trayvon_martin.html

[Positive Touch]

amazingly enough these people always think that their own fucked up biases and conspiracy theories are the one real truth

[Rufus]

I actually feel bad when I move my purse closer to me when people get on the bus. I'm opening up a seat but I feel like it looks more like "don't touch my shit." Oh well.

I've thought that before when I moved my man-purse out of the way. Can't be helped.

[Shadow Mod]

"I think GZ is guilty of not using good judgement. When he was in the car calling 911. He shouldn't have gotten out of the car. I believe he was egged on by the operator"

 

The fuck is this dumbass serious?

[drew]

we already know that the answer to that.

say what

[Great Rumbler]

Okay, can someone tell me why we, in our modern society, allow complete ignoramuses to decide important court cases like this?

[Mandark]

Okay, can someone tell me why we, in our modern society, allow complete ignoramuses to decide important court cases like this?

Because in the 18th century some American colonists were convicted of crimes by a British judge.

Which is being glib, but I do think that's pretty much it.

[Madrun Badrun]

Because putting restrictions brings in the much messier question who decides what the restrictions should be while also disenfranchising all those who don't meet it.

[nudemacusers]

Okay, can someone tell me why we, in our modern society, allow complete ignoramuses to decide important court cases like this?

The slate article makes a good point about limited jury strikes. So, consider this: There was someone worse.

[Great Rumbler]

Okay, can someone tell me why we, in our modern society, allow complete ignoramuses to decide important court cases like this?

The slate article makes a good point about limited jury strikes. So, consider this: There was someone worse.

I didn't fail to notice that, yeah.

[Brehvolution]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/15/george-zimmerman-shouldnt-have-had-a-gun/

[Great Rumbler]

The book's not happening now, by the way, the agent killed it after the backlash that came out following the announcement.

[Himu]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70821741&postcount=96

Can we ban Polari?

[Polari]

lol

I thought you'd like that one.

[Huff]

Can we leave the gaf shit in the gaf thread

[Positive Touch]

how bout we keep him around and bring this up every time he posts about anything until he gets so mad he goes on a rant and leaves

[Phoenix Dark]

Questlove's thoughts. Pretty long post but worth reading
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/questlove-trayvon-martin-and-i-aint-shit.html

(GAF repost:)
He sums up my feelings. I pretty much ignored the case because I knew what was going to happen, and didn't even want to think about it.

I'm 6'3, and find myself constantly thinking of ways not to scare white people. I got so tired of white women crossing the street whenever I was walking behind them that I started crossing the street first. Or if I can't cross, I'll pretend to be texting on my phone, and never look in their direction - even as they look behind their back to apparently make sure I don't sneak up on them.

I tend to buy my snacks at CVS. I used to get off work, go home to change, and then walk to CVS since it's only about 5 minutes away. I'd dress rather regularly, at least for myself: a hoodie if it's cold, or a black fitted tee if it's warm; jeans aren't falling down, nor are they exceptionally baggy. The first few times I did this I noticed people would drive up to the CVS, see me walking towards the store door, and decide to stay in their car a few moments longer; initially I thought it was coincidence, but after it happened many times I realized it wasn't. Then when I entered the store I'd often get concerned stares from people, specifically older whites and middle aged white women. Now I only go to CVS in my work clothes (office attire).

People continually say this case had nothing to do with race, but Zimmerman would not have followed Trayvon if he was white. Just as, if Candid Camera were to ambush a white woman after she crossed the street instead of walk in front of me, she would almost certainly say her action had nothing to do with race - when in reality if I were white too she wouldn't think of crossing the street.

[Shadow Mod]

I don't think I've ever crossed the street but I get tense if any dude is right behind me and I'm alone. Bad experiences mang.

[Phoenix Dark]

Multiple feet away, in broad daylight on a busy street?
 

[Shadow Mod]

Multiple feet away, in broad daylight on a busy street?
 

Definitely not.