So I've been living under a rock... the hell is Pacific Rim?

[Human Snorenado]

This Armond White person is a troll, right? Every review I read has him enjoying some movie that's universally hated or hating a movie that's universally loved.

I don't think he's a troll.  Trolls can at least be entertaining, and do their shit for the lulz.

No, I think he's one of those people who are all, "Man I'm such an individual, and I think so much that I have brilliant contrarian viewpoints.  MY CONTRARIAN VIEWPOINTS. LET ME SHARE THEM WITH YOU."

Those people are interesting for like five minutes, until you realize what's going on and then the entire rest of your life any interaction with them is a fucking chore of mammoth proportions.

[Rahxephon91]

The movie is perfect summer action movie.

The visuals are amazing and beaming with detail. It's just a mark of good directing when you see all the detail and scale presented in this movie.

But I mean this is what Del Taro is good it. It's just not the visual effects that are great, everything looks good and has character to it.

From the beginning the movie draws you into a pretty well realized and kind of interesting world.

The Russian unit's head gear reminded me of the Scope Dogs from Votoms.

The movie was great.

[Mr. Gundam]

Just got back from a 10pm screening with six of my buddies.

My God, this movie is dumb. Every time they tried to draw me into the universe with something, they'd throw a terribly delivered line or some stupid comedy thing at you.

But you know what? I don't care about the negatives at all. It was a ton of fun and entertaining as hell. We had a blast passing around cans of beer and MST3K'ing it while having an awesome time watching GIANT ROBOTS FUCK SHIT UP ON THE SCREEN. Loads of references to Top Gun and Independence Day alongside the mecha and giant monster tropes.

And yeah! I also thought the Russian team's helmets looked like Scopedogs from Votoms. Whoever designed must have done that on purpose.

Also, the Striker Eureka is one sexy mecha.

edit: For those who give a shit about box office, my 10pm 2D screening was probably 75% full. 99.99% of those in attendance were male. We actually thought it would be even higher than that.

[Beezy]

Charlie Day is by far the worst part of this movie. He is goddamn awful. But overall the movie is pretty awesome.

Nah, he fit perfectly.

[Great Rumbler]

Charlie Day is by far the worst part of this movie. He is goddamn awful. But overall the movie is pretty awesome.

Noooooooope.

Also, I spotted a Giant Robo OVA reference.

[Great Rumbler]

Thursday numbers:

Pacific Rim = $3.6 million
Grown Ups 2 = $2.3 million

Come on, Pacific Rim! You can do it!

[Mupepe]

I see people getting their hopes up with those numbers but I think everyone assumed it would be frontloaded, especially compared to a film targeted towards families.

[Phoenix Dark]

Seems to confirm what we've known: nerds don't actually "run" anything. Nerd movies succeed when they attract a large female audience by becoming an "event" film, as in "the movie of the summer/year." And nearly as importantly they succeed due to being based on an established IP with a main role handled by an actor women like.

[Great Rumbler]

Do women like Idris Elba? They should.

[Phoenix Dark]

 

No love unless you're Will Smith or Denzel Washington, apparently.

[Himu]

Seems to confirm what we've known: nerds don't actually "run" anything. Nerd movies succeed when they attract a large female audience by becoming an "event" film, as in "the movie of the summer/year." And nearly as importantly they succeed due to being based on an established IP with a main role handled by an actor women like.

PD, that post is fucking stupid.

[Phoenix Dark]

You read it, I didn't

[Himu]

It's just that you have a history of making posts about like "nerd opinions don't matter" from the xbone to pacific rim, in relation to sales and numerical data. It's pretty annoying, especially since the show we all love to watch - Game of Thrones - is a total nerd show and breaking cable television records.

[Himu]

I don't understand the appeal of Transformers films. What does Michael Bay put in the water?

[cool breeze]

Do women like Idris Elba? They should.

are Elba or [WHITE ACTOR] even shirtless in the trailers?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Do women like Idris Elba? They should.

are Elba or [WHITE ACTOR] even shirtless in the trailers?

Pacific Rim needed at least one bonafide movie star (not just a good actor) and a LOT more sexy pandering if it wanted to succeed :'(

[Great Rumbler]

I don't understand the appeal of Transformers films. What does Michael Bay put in the water?

No idea, but you could put together all the best scenes from the entire Transformers trilogy and it still wouldn't be even half as good as Pacific Rim.

[Phoenix Dark]

It's just that you have a history of making posts about like "nerd opinions don't matter" from the xbone to pacific rim, in relation to sales and numerical data. It's pretty annoying, especially since the show we all love to watch - Game of Thrones - is a total nerd show and breaking cable television records.

Game Of Thrones is successful because it attracts a large female audience; nearly half of the book readers are female, and about half of the show viewers are female.

Pacific Rim is a sausage fest apparently, and will bomba. I used to be confident about word of mouth, now...  :'(

[Himu]

The Avengers made $1,511,757,910 last year. I'm not understanding your point, especially since it is pretty much THE nerd movie. And not really something girls would normally care about either.

[Mupepe]

Robert Downey Jr drove women to see The Avengers though.

I enjoyed the transformers movies too by the way.  Forgettable action.  I'd never purchase it.  But I was entertained for one viewing.  Like Avatar!

[Himu]

It's just that you have a history of making posts about like "nerd opinions don't matter" from the xbone to pacific rim, in relation to sales and numerical data. It's pretty annoying, especially since the show we all love to watch - Game of Thrones - is a total nerd show and breaking cable television records.

Game Of Thrones is successful because it attracts a large female audience; nearly half of the book readers are female, and about half of the show viewers are female.

Pacific Rim is a sausage fest apparently, and will bomba. I used to be confident about word of mouth, now...  :'(

But your argument is that "nerds don't run shit" when obviously those female book readers and tv watchers are fucking nerds.

Girls can be nerds too, pd.

[Phoenix Dark]

You're saying The Avengers didn't do gangbusters with women? Wanna guess how many of those tickets were sold to people who never read a comic and barely watched any superhero cartoons? RDJ, Thor's actor, etc is what drove ticket sales. How many people who saw Transformers gave a shit about the cartoon or toys?

Put it this way: if a film only appeals to Manabyte, me, EB bros, etc...it's probably going to fail.

[Himu]

Eh, I think you're counting your chickens too soon. Especially since it beat Grown Ups last night, but Grown Ups may (should) pick up over the weekend. Still, it's a nice small victory, and the movie will more than likely do great overseas. At which point, this becomes an American's have terrible taste problem and less of a "nerd movie" problem.

[Phoenix Dark]

It has nothing to do with taste. It's about marketing (how many people are constantly saying "I didn't know about this film until x time ago"), and being a blockbuster summer film without a blockbuster cast, IP, or heart throb.

[Himu]

Nope. The original got 10% RT and it got 271,430,189 at the box office.

You're saying The Avengers didn't do gangbusters with women? Wanna guess how many of those tickets were sold to people who never read a comic and barely watched any superhero cartoons? RDJ, Thor's actor, etc is what drove ticket sales. How many people who saw Transformers gave a shit about the cartoon or toys?

Put it this way: if a film only appeals to Manabyte, me, EB bros, etc...it's probably going to fail.

Man of Steel
$591,769,878

[Himu]

It has nothing to do with taste. It's about marketing (how many people are constantly saying "I didn't know about this film until x time ago"), and being a blockbuster summer film without a blockbuster cast, IP, or heart throb.

I think those people just live in the dark. Then again I've been hyped for it for over a year so I'm biased.

Remember: Pacific Rim had a trailer during The Hobbit. That's going back well over 6 months. I think they've done a decent job marketing a giant robot film.

[Phoenix Dark]

Himu you're using the film with a shirtless Henry Cavill as your example?

[Himu]

I saw the first Grown Ups.

I wanted to kill myself.

[cool breeze]

Do women like Idris Elba? They should.

are Elba or [WHITE ACTOR] even shirtless in the trailers?

Pacific Rim needed at least one bonafide movie star (not just a good actor) and a LOT more sexy pandering if it wanted to succeed :'(

yeah, the guy playing Superman is unknown but he's surrounded by famous people and he's walking around shirtless in the trailers.  He's shirtless in the movie for the same amount of time he's shirtless in the trailers.  Same thing with Thor.

The biggest star of Pacific Rim is "that guy from the wire--no, not omar" and everyone is walking around fully clothed.  There are rules.  The only person shirtless in The Avengers is Mark Ruffalo.  Everyone else went shirtless in their first movies and then they earned the right to keep their shirts on.  Even Spider-Man takes his shirt off and he's all lanky.

[Himu]

Himu you're using the film with a shirtless Henry Cavill as your example?

Do women really go see a nerd movie in droves just to see a guy without a shirt on? Women tend to look for stories more so than physicality. Though being hot helps, I'm not convinced any women will go to see fucking Superman just because the lead actor is shirtless. I don't see any evidence for it.

[Phoenix Dark]

Himu you're using the film with a shirtless Henry Cavill as your example?

Do women really go see a nerd movie in droves just to see a guy without a shirt on? Women tend to look for stories more so than physicality. Though being hot helps, I'm not convinced any women will go to see fucking Superman just because the lead actor is shirtless. I don't see any evidence for it.

....ok, we've hit a brick wall then.

Superhero films are most successful when they attract a wide female audience, and the best way to do that is with a bankable actor who women like. RDJ is super popular among women, Christian Bale is popular among women, etc. The Thor actor (shirtless in the trailer) is super popular among women. They're event films, no one gives a shit about the plot outside of nerds. Does anyone care about Superman outside of nerds? Did anyone care about Thor until the film came out? It had a hot lead actor and a shit ton of action - of course it was a success, unlike Superman Returns.

[Himu]

Honestly, when I look at the latest trend of marketing with shirtless men, I think of marketing towards gay audiences without trying to label the film as "gay".

[Himu]

PD I think you have a point in that women do have more buying power in the States.

[Mupepe]

I can say with confidence that all my female friends and also my wife have more interest in a super hero/nerd movie when a protagonist is shirtless in the trailers.  They have no shame in admitting it either.

[Beezy]

Wtf is all this serious talk shitting up this thread? STACKER PENTECOST. HERCULES HANSEN. GIPSY DANGER.

[Himu]

Damn.

[Mr. Gundam]

Wtf is all this serious talk shitting up this thread? STACKER PENTECOST. HERCULES HANSEN. GIPSY DANGER.

This times a million. I don't give a shit about box office totals.

Go watch the movie feggits.

[Rahxephon91]

I don't really buy this "female audience thing". What appeals to females in Avatar or the Transformer's movies? Why did'nt they turn out for John Carter. It was about a dude being shirtless the entire time?

Maybe the movie's subject matter didn't appeal to Americans? Giant Robots fighting giant monsters? That stuffs for kids. Maybe the movie looked too silly.

[Himu]

I don't really buy this "female audience thing". What appeals to females in Avatar or the Transformer's movies? Why did'nt they turn out for John Carter. It was about a dude being shirtless the entire time?

Maybe the movie's subject matter didn't appeal to Americans? Giant Robots fighting giant monsters? That stuffs for kids. Maybe the movie looked too silly.

I actually asked my friend josh to go with me to see Lick My Rim and he said exactly that. He said it looks too goofy. He's one of those ultra serious comic book readers too. He also watches Power Rangers as an adult.

[Himu]

Agreed Exodust

[Human Snorenado]

Do women like Idris Elba? They should.

are Elba or [WHITE ACTOR] even shirtless in the trailers?

Pacific Rim needed at least one bonafide movie star (not just a good actor) and a LOT more sexy pandering if it wanted to succeed :'(

Agreed.  If it had been Will Smith in Idris Elba's role, movie would probably do double it's business

Also, Rinko Kikuchi is hawt, but in a cute little sister sort of way or something.

[Rufus]

Also, Rinko Kikuchi is hawt, but in a cute little sister sort of way or something.

[Himu]

Guys, let's start talking this after the first weekend numbers.

[Mr. Gundam]

I think the subject matter is what kills it. America just doesn't like Mecha, even American weeaboos tend to avoid the genre.

This is the sad truth on both accounts. Weeaboo anime fans just don't give a shit about mecha. So much so that Sunrise/Bandai Visual was absolutely floored that Gundam bombed here. Hell, they were so pissed off about it that they took their ball and ran home.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Pacific Rim vs. Grown Ups 2

Winner: Sharknado

[Joe Molotov]

Nothing can stop a Sharknado. Except bombs.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

A Sharknado would rip apart a Jaeger in seconds.

[Human Snorenado]

Nothing can stop a Sharknado. Except bombs.

And Ian Ziering with a chainsaw.

[Great Rumbler]

I was expecting Speed Racer levels of failure there.

Even the more pessimistic predictions expected Pacific Rim to make more in its first weekend than Speed Racer did in its entire run.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Do women like Idris Elba? They should.

are Elba or [WHITE ACTOR] even shirtless in the trailers?

Pacific Rim needed at least one bonafide movie star (not just a good actor) and a LOT more sexy pandering if it wanted to succeed :'(

Agreed.  If it had been Will Smith in Idris Elba's role, movie would probably do double it's business

Also, Rinko Kikuchi is hawt, but in a cute little sister sort of way or something.

Yeah, that's a MAJOR problem. Michael Bay is a perv but his perviness puts asses in seats. There is NO female eye candy in the entire movie. And nowadays that just won't fly.

[Phoenix Dark]

Idris Elba  :'(

So handsome, so suave. Nobody cares  :'( :'(

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Idris Elba  :'(

So handsome, so suave. Nobody cares  :'( :'(

I said female eye candy.

Pacific Rim has several good looking dudes...minimal homo.

BUT they all keep their shirts on.

[Phoenix Dark]

I think I just digitally murdered myself

[Rahxephon91]

Are women the most shallow movie going audience? Thats all this thread is telling me.

Because I really doubt thats the reason they go see summer blockbuster movies.

[cool breeze]

Wtf is all this serious talk shitting up this thread? STACKER PENTECOST. HERCULES HANSEN. GIPSY DANGER.

This times a million. I don't give a shit about box office totals.

Go watch the movie feggits.

I think ignoring the business side is as bad as caring too much about it.  I'm happy and grateful that this movie exists and I'm likely going to pay the obscene ticket price to see it in IMAX, but it'd be tragic if this is poor box office performance scares studios away from similar projects.

This is the sad truth on both accounts. Weeaboo anime fans just don't give a shit about mecha. So much so that Sunrise/Bandai Visual was absolutely floored that Gundam bombed here. Hell, they were so pissed off about it that they took their ball and ran home.

Were they really? Gundam Wing and I think G Gundam seemed popular.  UC Gundam, yeah, I think that's a hard sell for western audiences.

Robotech is a strange case.  Some older people have nostalgia for it, there were a couple western developed Robotech games, and some actor wanted to make a Robotech movie a few years back.  I kinda want to see a live action Robotech movie just to see what happens when it's released in Japan.

[Mupepe]

Are women the most shallow movie going audience? Thats all this thread is telling me.

Because I really doubt thats the reason they go see summer blockbuster movies.

its a major factor for getting women to see movies outside the normal female target genres.

[Himu]

Going to theatre.

Gundam, does the mecha porn ever get as good as 00:38 - 00:46?

Wtf is all this serious talk shitting up this thread? STACKER PENTECOST. HERCULES HANSEN. GIPSY DANGER.

This times a million. I don't give a shit about box office totals.

Go watch the movie feggits.

I think ignoring the business side is as bad as caring too much about it.  I'm happy and grateful that this movie exists and I'm likely going to pay the obscene ticket price to see it in IMAX, but it'd be tragic if this is poor box office performance scares studios away from similar projects.

This is the sad truth on both accounts. Weeaboo anime fans just don't give a shit about mecha. So much so that Sunrise/Bandai Visual was absolutely floored that Gundam bombed here. Hell, they were so pissed off about it that they took their ball and ran home.

Were they really? Gundam Wing and I think G Gundam seemed popular.  UC Gundam, yeah, I think that's a hard sell for western audiences.

Robotech is a strange case.  Some older people have nostalgia for it, there were a couple western developed Robotech games, and some actor wanted to make a Robotech movie a few years back.  I kinda want to see a live action Robotech movie just to see what happens when it's released in Japan.

Gundam Wing is the exception. They killed Gundam in America by going with 0079 rather than X after Wing. Gundam's popularity dwindled as a result.

That said I agree with your first part of the post. It seems silly to express love for seeing mecha no the silver screen, but not care about sales. Plus, it's the first day (?) and most of us aren't going to see it til tonight. What else is there to talk about?

[Shadow Mod]

Are women the most shallow movie going audience? Thats all this thread is telling me.

Because I really doubt thats the reason they go see summer blockbuster movies.

its a major factor for getting women to see movies outside the normal female target genres.

You mean seeing movies that are big on the nerd factor (and not necessarily shit they watch or ingest*). Biggest audience is women last I time I checked.

Had to add in the * since I didn't clarify. Women love them some nerdy shit, GoT, Harry Potter, Hunger Games.

[Positive Touch]

waiting in line and hearing young nerds talk about dune books and superman. kill me now.

[Human Snorenado]

waiting in line and hearing young nerds talk about dune books and superman. kill me now.

Headphones.  If I'm ever going to be in line anywhere in life, I take some earbuds with me.  Cause fuck people.