Author Topic: metal >> thread of sharing spermatids with himu (Read 5310 times)

Eschaton · « **on:** August 22, 2013, 02:17:42 PM »

Himu, your commentary on metal is sophomoric. You say that a lot of metal (specifically targeting more extreme stuff) is lacking in melody or direction. This is fucking ridiculous, because you're praising Punk in the same sentence, when Punk is the one of the primary sources of the dissonance, atonality, and chaotic arrangement of metal!

Before punk, metal sounded like this:

No melody?

From a musical perspective, there is plenty of melody to be found in even the harshest stuff out there:

In truth, the best of extreme metal is centered on slowly evolving a melody and/or motif, just like the best of ambient. You dismissed the acidy material of aphex twin and enjoyed the simpler, more accessible stuff, but the concept is pretty much the same. It's a romantic style of composition. I, and many other metal fans, find joy in that slow development of a melody or theme hidden inside tightly structured, atonal sounding riffs, no matter how they are arranged. Eye of the storm.

nudemacusers · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:29:49 PM »

Eric P · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:30:11 PM »

Quote

Punk is the one of the primary sources of the dissonance, atonality, and chaotic arrangement of metal!

I just wanted to back Esch up on this.

There's a pretty good academic book called This Ain't The Summer of Love which looks at the intertwining nature of punk and metal and lays out the history of how each one asserted dominance over the other at various points in the 70s and 80s.

Himu · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:38:42 PM »

The problem with this is that we are using metal as a base and not arguing sub genres of metal. My problem isn't really metal as a whole, but certain sub genres. Of course a lot of metal has melody. The problem is that a lot of the metal I hear from friends or whatever doesn't have melody and are more in the way of that shit Fistful posted.

Honestly, punk was barely even the discussion in our talk.

Polari · « **Reply #4 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:41:50 PM »

If I have to choose one I'm going with punk. I'd argue it has been way more influential than metal has.

nudemacusers · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:42:14 PM »

Quote from: Polari on August 22, 2013, 02:41:50 PM

I'd argue it has been way more influential than metal has.

Can't even be contested. DIY culture, fashion, music, art, etc.

Rufus · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:46:48 PM »

Burzum? Get that shit outta here.

D3RANG3D · « **Reply #7 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:48:13 PM »

Burzum

Eric P · « **Reply #8 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:49:20 PM »

Quote from: Eschaton on August 22, 2013, 02:40:06 PM

Quote from: macuser3of5 on August 22, 2013, 02:29:49 PM
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Punk lost.

The best shit got absorbed into metal in the form of grind, and look at everything since its emergence. lame shyt like sunny day real estate and modern screamo/hXc

Punk had some interesting ideas and spirit, but never the same emphasis on boundary pushing as a form of music or aesthetic

metal lost.

the best metal got absorbed into punk in the form of post-hardcore and noise punk and look at everything since its emergence. lame shyt like DragonForce and modern crabcore / folk metal

Metal had some interesting ideas and spirit, but never the same emphasis on boudary pushing as a form of music of aesthetic: heh

nudemacusers · « **Reply #9 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:49:23 PM »

Quote from: Eschaton on August 22, 2013, 02:46:25 PM

*looks at the commercial dominance of metal and metal inspired music from 1980-2010*

*laughs at macuser*

Oh I didn't realize this was a pop thread.

Himu · « **Reply #10 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:50:18 PM »

Dude. Why are you even bringing up punk? No one arguing in that thread CARES and our posts were comedic jabs at best. The only real response you got was when you said fuck house music. Read those pages again. You are the only person bringing up punk past the initial discussion. Everyone else is discussing the merits of metal.

nudemacusers · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:51:46 PM »

on this historic day, jimmies were rustled

Eric P · « **Reply #12 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:53:41 PM »

Quote from: Eschaton on August 22, 2013, 02:47:43 PM

Quote from: Rufus on August 22, 2013, 02:46:48 PM
Burzum? Get that shit outta here.
the goat ambiance

if i can forgive wagner his racism, i can forgive varg too

uh
slight differences in wagner and varg on the racism front

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:54:10 PM »

Also, tell me what is exactly wrong with liking music that sounds nice? What sounds nice to me are things I like. I like a lot of things that wouldn't sound nice to others. So "sounding nice" is such vapid, and especially elistist argument and way of saying "you don't get it". Well make me get it and post good music that's dissonant and chaotic? I can get that with punk, I rarely do with metal.

Himu · « **Reply #14 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:54:53 PM »

Quote from: Eschaton on August 22, 2013, 02:53:56 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on August 22, 2013, 02:50:18 PM
Dude. Why are you even bringing up punk? No one arguing in that thread CARES and our posts were comedic jabs at best. The only real response you got was when you said fuck house music. Read those pages again. You are the only person bringing up punk past the initial discussion. Everyone else is discussing the merits of metal.
That was how the whole argument started

House music just bores me, i dont really give a fuck about that

That was how the argument started but we all switched lanes breh.

nudemacusers · « **Reply #15 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:55:36 PM »

bro, come on, diy culture > heavy metal the movie. srs.

nudemacusers · « **Reply #16 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:01:28 PM »

that era of autechre never really sat with me, it felt like a transition from tri repetae > confield, like they were figuring out how to get real deep into the shit.

Polari · « **Reply #17 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:01:28 PM »

Man fistful really left yo ass high and dry on this one huh

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #18 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:01:38 PM »

Sometimes you just want to listen to some aggressive dumb music with no melody and is just loud and abrasive and shit. Sometimes you want to listen to some soaring vocals against whaling guitars. Sometimes you want to listen to some slow driving rhythms.

Polari · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:02:02 PM »

I stand corrected.

Himu · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:06:53 PM »

Dude! You are reaching here. Respect it as an art form? What the fuck. Just because I don't I don't get it doesn't mean I don't respect it. And your attitude IS elitist. I only like music that "sounds good"? Do you think tweens like Brian Eno or Philip Glass? A lot of jazz is just as chaotic as some metal and punk but it jives with me because I like the sound. Do you realize the crux of your argument is that YOU think THAT type of music sounds good and yet argue that the only reason people cannot listen to that type of music is that it is "hard to digest" so we sink back to our holes to listen to what "sounds good"? And you don't think this is elitist, how exactly?

Brehvolution · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:08:29 PM »

Thought this was a good spot for this.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1302.1886

Himu · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:12:15 PM »

I never said that about electronic. We are talking about a very specific niche of the ambient sub genre. I fucking love electronic and I fucking love ambient. This is the lack of clarification fly by generalization that I was talking about when I entered this thread.

Himu · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:12:46 PM »

Am I supposed to give everything the thumbs up?

nudemacusers · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:13:34 PM »

melody? texture? rhythm?

music is either wack or dope. eod.

Himu · « **Reply #25 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:16:55 PM »

My problem is that you've come to this conclusion just cuz I don't dig Aphex Twin. I respect em but I'm not big on the music by Twin. Like I said, I'm more of a Boards of Canada person than an Aphex Twin person. This doesn't mean I hate electronic breh.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #26 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:17:11 PM »

http://templeofficial.bandcamp.com/album/on-the-steps-of-the-temple

THey're talkin this up over in the other forum. So far so

No witch vocals

nudemacusers · « **Reply #27 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:17:56 PM »

/flamesuit on

selected ambient works 85-92 >> BOC's entire discography

Quote from: Eschaton on August 22, 2013, 03:13:39 PM

Well we've all moved the goal posts past recognition I guess, if there ever were any. Either way

punk sux

Himu · « **Reply #28 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:18:42 PM »

I'm not that attached to punk. My fave genres are jazz, classical, rnb/soul, funk, electronic, and rock. Hip hop, punk, country, metal are all genres I fuck with when I want something different.

Himu · « **Reply #29 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:21:00 PM »

Fuck off Mac.

nudemacusers · « **Reply #30 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:23:45 PM »

I care because you do > BOC

surfing on sine waves > BOC

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #31 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:26:24 PM »

Quote from: Zero Hero on August 22, 2013, 03:17:11 PM

http://templeofficial.bandcamp.com/album/on-the-steps-of-the-temple

THey're talkin this up over in the other forum. So far so

No witch vocals

Motherfucker I've posted this at least four times on this forum over the last year.

Himu · « **Reply #32 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:27:52 PM »

you niccas are high and this is all a joke

Pretty good!

Brehvolution · « **Reply #33 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:31:06 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on August 22, 2013, 03:26:24 PM

Motherfucker I've posted this at least four times on this forum over the last year.

Sorry breh. Someimes it clicks and sometimes it don't.

nudemacusers · « **Reply #34 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:32:40 PM »

himu

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #35 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:37:05 PM »

Heavy Metal is the only good genre of music. Reason because there are so many subgenres that incorporate so many different styles that literally anyone can find something to enjoy.

Everything else is garbage.

Country? Garbage
Rap? Garbage
Hip Hop? Garbage
Pop? Garbage

Rufus · « **Reply #36 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:38:56 PM »

Quote from: Eschaton on August 22, 2013, 03:25:02 PM

I never really got into that sludge/post metal shyt. Isis was always okay. Jesu was solid too. I always liked some of Boris's sludgier material () but overall

Acid Bath is great though.

I don't always have the patience for it, but there's great stuff there.

Himu · « **Reply #37 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:41:18 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on August 22, 2013, 03:37:05 PM

Heavy Metal is the only good genre of music. Reason because there are so many subgenres that incorporate so many different styles that literally anyone can find something to enjoy.

Everything else is garbage.

Country? Garbage
Rap? Garbage
Hip Hop? Garbage
Pop? Garbage

Jazz, rock, electronic. Boom.

Electronic easily has more sub genres than metal. Hell it could be argued heavy metal itself is a sub genre of rock.

Himu · « **Reply #38 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:44:41 PM »

Blues took wing from country, and blues is a main inspiration for rnb. Much like how rap is a splinter from electronic, rnb is a splinter from country. Saying metal only has sub genres is foolishness.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #39 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:46:59 PM »

The only good thing about this thread is the excuse to listen to Aphex Twin, which I will now go do

Rufus · « **Reply #40 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:49:19 PM »

How about swing metal:

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #41 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:49:55 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on August 22, 2013, 03:41:18 PM

Jazz, rock, electronic. Boom.

garbage, garbage, garbage

StealthFan · « **Reply #42 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:50:06 PM »

Talking shit about Holy Diver

Dio> Any band you like. Shit even latter day Dio, after his voice was totally shot, is better than anything you've ever liked during the course of your goddamn existence.

headwalk · « **Reply #43 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:55:29 PM »

metal and punk are both giant umbrellas with no drawn boundaries and a lot of crossover. punk in particular is defined almost purely by who your band hangs out with. you could sound like willy nelson, judas priest or pearl jam and as long as you're on the right bills, people will consider you a punk band.

people who get super autistic about punk subgenre definitions probably spend too much time on the internet and not enough time at shows.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #44 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:55:49 PM »

I'm trying to find more but I like death metal with male and female vocals

I LOVE this song

Himu · « **Reply #45 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:56:27 PM »

Yeah then there's that prog rock metal like that latest Opeth album.

Either way, it doesn't really change my argument as I could whip out jazz electronic or rock electronic.

Rufus · « **Reply #46 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:00:32 PM »

Aw, you make The Wild Child cry.

Arch Enemy comes to mind, but Angela growls, so...

Himu · « **Reply #47 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:03:36 PM »

Opeth isn't bad. I dig them.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #48 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:05:26 PM »

Need some female fronted Hungarian folk metal

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #49 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:11:44 PM »

i'll be honest here, I don't even know what this thread is about. i'm just using it as another excuse to post heavy metal youtube videos.

Himu · « **Reply #50 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:16:35 PM »

Quote from: Eschaton on August 22, 2013, 04:09:02 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on August 22, 2013, 04:03:36 PM
Opeth isn't bad. I dig them.
I just don't particularly care for their abrupt and awkward combination of some really basic death metal with that acoustic, singer songwritery type shit. I think Katatonia does what they do in a much better and comfortable way, and I think you might like them. I couldn't recall what to recommend to you, but their newer shit would probably suit you good, Viva Emptiness album maybe?

Really dig Sepultura btw. And I've heard of that band, good choice.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #51 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:18:32 PM »

Queensryche

Eli Gulgin · « **Reply #52 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:24:16 PM »

I'm getting some serious special fellow vibes from this thread and I don't even know what the hell is going on

Eric P · « **Reply #53 on:** August 22, 2013, 04:26:01 PM »

it's metal that brings out forum spergs

metal and jazz are the spergiest of genres but jazz is all old people so no one sees them on forums talking about alternate 16ths splitting the difference between free and post-cool configurations

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #54 on:** August 22, 2013, 07:32:11 PM »

Reposting from other thread.

I'm going to go find some good shit by Baroness too.

headwalk · « **Reply #55 on:** August 22, 2013, 07:40:21 PM »

Quote from: Eli Gulgin on August 22, 2013, 04:24:16 PM

I'm getting some serious special fellow vibes from this thread and I don't even know what the hell is going on

metal dudes are essentially chaos nerds.

headwalk · « **Reply #56 on:** August 22, 2013, 07:48:56 PM »

Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on August 22, 2013, 07:40:54 PM

I still don't understand the weird ass animosity between Punk and Metal in the subsets of the internet. They're both my favorite genres within my all time favorite genre(Rock), they've both inspired one another, they've both have had their low points and high points in history, and they both have annoying fucking fans.

I don't understand how you can like metal and hate punk or vice versa.

that's the internet. it's actually probably cooler to wear a metal shirt at a punk show than a punk shirt. last punk/hc all dayer i was at, a good third of the bands were musically indistinguishable from metal bands (and i don't mean faggy nu-metalcore or whatever it is that involves straightened hair, recycled maiden riffs and synchronised axe gymnastics) and everyone's favourite guy was this viking looking dude double fisting beers in a pantera shirt.

i mean deathwish are generally where hardcore bands go to make it big, and check out their roster: http://www.deathwishinc.com/bands whole bunch of metal on there.

i'm talking the modern expanded punk scene though, if you mean crusties who haven't evolved their idea of punk since 1979, well, who gives a fuck about them?

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #57 on:** August 22, 2013, 07:53:12 PM »

Most of the time I just end up confusing genres and look like an asshole. Not even trying to hate on 'em either just like "oh hey what's this?" ____ punk, ___ metal. I can't keep up.

headwalk · « **Reply #58 on:** August 22, 2013, 08:00:38 PM »

Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on August 22, 2013, 07:53:12 PM

Most of the time I just end up confusing genres and look like an asshole. Not even trying to hate on 'em either just like "oh hey what's this?" ____ punk, ___ metal. I can't keep up.

that's what i meant by my internet snark earlier. if your music experience is coming purely from your own bedroom, there's a temptation there to start trying to super studious about it on a musical level to somehow elevate your connection to it. where the real connection should come from getting your tooth chipped on the mic in the middle of some gang vocal pile on.

probably why electronic music is the worst for those types.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #59 on:** August 22, 2013, 08:06:39 PM »

Quote from: headwalk on August 22, 2013, 08:00:38 PM

Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on August 22, 2013, 07:53:12 PM
Most of the time I just end up confusing genres and look like an asshole. Not even trying to hate on 'em either just like "oh hey what's this?" ____ punk, ___ metal. I can't keep up.

that's what i meant by my internet snark earlier. if your music experience is coming purely from your own bedroom, there's a temptation there to start trying to super studious about it on a musical level to somehow elevate your connection to it. where the real connection should come from getting your tooth chipped on the mic in the middle of some gang vocal pile on.

probably why electronic music is the worst for those types.

I love electronic and I can't stand the "THIS ISN'T TRANCE IT'S HOUSE HOW DARE YOU."

Fuck off.

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Eschaton