September 2013 mass shooting thread

[Human Snorenado]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/police-clear-one-man-hunt-for-another-after?ref=fpa

Awesome, see you guys next mass shooting thread

[headwalk]

and the apathy levels are off the charts.

[Joe Molotov]

Okay, fine, so a dozen people got killed this morning, but do we have to keep dragging it up again and again, hours later?? Why doesn't the media ever cover stories about the responsible gun owners that save 12 people during a mass saving spree, huh?

[headwalk]

Okay, fine, so a dozen people got killed this morning, but do we have to keep dragging it up again and again, hours later?? Why doesn't the media ever cover stories about the responsible gun owners that save 12 people during a mass saving spree, huh?

i saw this brownish looking guy looking shifty on the tube earlier. i gave him a hard look and patted where i'd keep my piece if they weren't mega illegal over here. just that moment's suggestion was enough to make him reconsider what surely would've led to a charred train's worth of mutilated corpses.

[Steve Contra]

Just another reminder to gun owners to stock up in anticipation of NOBAMA taking their guns.

[Joe Molotov]

Look at this thug, he was no doubt potted up on weed and skittles when the shooting took place.



If only ZimmerMan could have been there to stop the tragedy.

[Eric P]

i thought about starting this thread because i grew up near the area but all of our mass shooting threads turn into "hey let's talk about the guns we own or want to buy" threads

[Himu]

Is it bad Im apathetic.

[Diunx]

Didn't even know about this until I saw this thread.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

We need to determine his political affiliation.

i thought about starting this thread because i grew up near the area but all of our mass shooting threads turn into "hey let's talk about the guns we own or want to buy" threads

Is that a problem for you?

[Mupepe]

Can't wait to get a Colt Python next year

[tehjaybo]

Can't wait to get a Colt Python next year

Pythons are pretty snazzy.  I'm still waiting to get my Walther PPK for carry.  .380 round is plenty good enough, +easily concealable, +Crimson Trace grips 

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[huckleberry]

I don't see no hoodie....

you mean we gotta start watching out for black dudes who don't wear hoodies now?   

[Eric P]

Is that a problem for you?

i honestly don't know

on the one hand i'm not anti-gun but on the other hand the way the conversations all end up hijacked and turn "rah rah guns" kind of skeeves me out.

[Phoenix Dark]

He's dead right? Just making sure it's safe for me to wear a Polo as I take my garbage out tonight. Wouldn't want to get shot by the cops.

[Great Rumbler]

Some charts:




[ASE means "Active Shooter Event" where the primary motive was mass-murder]

Moreover, our investigation made clear that so-called "good guys with guns" do not stop public shooting rampages. Likewise, Blair's data couldn't be any clearer when it comes to the National Rifle Association's favorite myth: He found just 3 cases out of 84 in which an armed individual who had been on the scene used a firearm to stop the shooter. And none of the three were ordinary citizens. According to Blair, in two instances those who intervened were off-duty police officers: one in a case in upstate New York in 2010, and another in a case in Philadelphia in 2005. The third case took place in Winnemucca, Nevada, in 2008; the man there who intervened and shot the rampaging gunman, as I've reported previously, was a US Marine.

[Yeti]

He's dead right? Just making sure it's safe for me to wear a Polo as I take my garbage out tonight. Wouldn't want to get shot by the cops.

Yes but weren't they searching for a possible other suspect? Better play it safe and take the garbage out naked tonight.

[nudemacusers]

He's dead right? Just making sure it's safe for me to wear a Polo as I take my garbage out tonight. Wouldn't want to get shot by the cops.

As long as its not a Karl kani polo you're ok.

[Human Snorenado]

Guys, it's important not to offend anyone in post-shooting discussions.  Here's a helpful list of guidelines to follow.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/16/2625881/conservatives-surprising-rules-covering-mass-shootings/

[huckleberry]

Guys, it's important not to offend anyone in post-shooting discussions.  Here's a helpful list of guidelines to follow.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/09/16/2625881/conservatives-surprising-rules-covering-mass-shootings/

I totally read rule #5 as "gun restrictions lead to cheeseburger, as in Australia & Canada" 

On a more serious note - why can't David Frum be hit in the head from a falling meteoroid?

[Great Rumbler]

Uh...that is what it said.

[DCharlieJP]

lol - tyranny in Australia and Canada?

[Great Rumbler]

Guys. GUYS. 

[Phoenix Dark]

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Thanks Obama. 

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[Olivia Wilde Homo]

There was a book I read called Going Postal.  It's a great read since it doesn't seem like its slowing down anytime soon:

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Postal-Rebellion-Workplaces-Columbine/dp/1932360824

You can find a PDF of it pretty easily.

[Human Snorenado]

If only enacting restrictions on gun purchases would stop people from getting weapons. 

Oh wait.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?_r=0

[Mupepe]

I have to pass another background check just to pick up a gun I already own from a gunsmith on Friday.  I ain't even mad.

[Mandark]

Have an acquaintance who works there, a friend's dad who works across the street, and a fairly close friend who would sometimes be there but left the Navy just a couple weeks ago.  They're all fine.  This was a big deal locally, of course.  All anyone talked about that day.

[Human Snorenado]

Saw this in response to people's MERICA BONER GUN FETISH syndrome

 

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http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/america-boner.gif

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[Phoenix Dark]

WARNING: Buzzfeed story. NOT a list.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/new-hampshire-senate-candidate-more-women-in-the-workplace-l

New Hampshire Senate Candidate: More Women In The Workplace Led To More Mass Shootings

WASHINGTON — Former New Hampshire state Sen. Jim Rubens is jumping into the race to defeat Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen Wednesday. Before he even reaches the starting blocks, Democrats are questioning his ability to reach women voters.

The reason? A 2009 post on his website that connects the rise of working women with what he says is a rise in mass shootings and other violence perpetrated by men.

“The collaborative, flexible, amorphously-hierarchical American economy is shutting out ordinary men who were once the nation’s breadwinners in living-wage labor and manufacturing jobs,” Rubens wrote. “Because status success is more vital to the male psychology, males are falling over the edge in increasing numbers.”

A “collaborative” and “flexible” economy is one that has opened the door to more women working, Rubens wrote. And the nature of the changing economy has had a detrimental effect on men, including an increase in violence.

“The collapsing number of male jobs in the increasingly female-centric economy just adds to the already harsher impact of OverSuccess on males,” he wrote, referring to the title of his 2008 book.

[Joe Molotov]

Thanks, Devo!

[Himu]

feminism has ruined everything

we're all going to die

[brawndolicious]

Yeah, most shooters are upper-middle class young white men. They've been losing a few entitlements.

They are usually also mentally insane or sociopaths if that matters.

[Eric P]

Does this count or not?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-multiple-people-including-3yearold-shot-in-south-side-attack-20130919,0,352520.story

Thirteen people, including a 3-year-old boy who suffered a gunshot wound to the head, were shot at a Chicago park in the Back of the Yards neighborhood Thursday night, authorities said.

Ten adults and the 3-year-old were transported by Fire Department ambulances after the attack in the 1800 block of West 51st Street in the Back of the Yards neighborhood, said Fire Department Deputy District Chief James Mungovan at the scene. A 12th victim was believed to have driven himself to Little Company of Mary Hospital in Evergreen Park, a source said, citing preliminary information.

Police said later a total of 13 people were shot, the boy, two teens, and 10 adults, with the boy the most seriously wounded. The boy suffered a gunshot wound to the head at an ear that exited through his mouth, and was in critical condition at Mount Sinai Hospital, police said.

The attack took place about 10:15 p.m. and fire officials called an Emergency Medical Services Plan II, sending at least 10 ambulances to the scene.

Chicago police were making no information about what happened public, except to say that the shooting appeared to be gang-related. The shootings took place on a basketball court on the 51st Street side of Cornell Square Park near Wood Street.

[Brehvolution]

Poverty breeds terrorism. Poor city folk can't get a job so they look to other things like drugs for money. When someone messes with that money, it's not like they can go to the cops. THis is retaliation violence, not some random act by a crazy person.

[Van Cruncheon]

http://aattp.org/two-proud-gun-nuts-second-amendment-death-road-rage-incident/

[Brehvolution]

I agree that both are most likely driven by rage.

[Eric P]

NAVY YARDGAZI

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24163244

Members of a Washington DC Swat team who the BBC has learned were ordered not to respond to Monday's Navy Yard shootings have yet to be contacted by the authorities.

The Capitol Police tactical response team was told by a supervisor to leave the scene instead of aiding municipal officers, sources told the BBC.

Meanwhile, the department has installed a new leader of the elite unit. No reason has been given for the decision.

Gunman Aaron Alexis killed 12 people.

The BBC has also learned that four members of the highly trained team have applied for temporary leave, as they "grapple" with the aftermath of the incident.

The Capitol Police department has not yet granted the request, nor given approval for them to use their own paid time off.

[headwalk]

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/chicago_news&id=9255232

chicago doesn't count though. sounds like the dude was a lousy shot, too.

[Mupepe]

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/chicago_news&id=9255232

chicago doesn't count though. sounds like the dude was a lousy shot, too.

This touches on something that bugs me.  Lots of gun owners are lousy shots.  I can't count how many gun owners I know that took their gun to the range once when they first got it and haven't touched it since.  And even CHL standards are ridiculously easy.  You have to have parkinsons and be half blind not to pass the range test in Texas.

[Steve Contra]

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Add this shit stat.  :teaparty

[Rufus]

Naw, :teagle

[Joe Molotov]

NAVY YARDGAZI

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24163244

Members of a Washington DC Swat team who the BBC has learned were ordered not to respond to Monday's Navy Yard shootings have yet to be contacted by the authorities.

The Capitol Police tactical response team was told by a supervisor to leave the scene instead of aiding municipal officers, sources told the BBC.

Meanwhile, the department has installed a new leader of the elite unit. No reason has been given for the decision.

Gunman Aaron Alexis killed 12 people.

The BBC has also learned that four members of the highly trained team have applied for temporary leave, as they "grapple" with the aftermath of the incident.

The Capitol Police department has not yet granted the request, nor given approval for them to use their own paid time off.

Where are the Navy Yard shooting survivor witnesses? #falseflag #obamanation

[Yoritomo]

This mass shooting inspired me to build an AR. Was worried prices would spike for another year.

But it looks like no one cares anymore since he didn't use an AR. 

[Great Rumbler]

NAVY YARDGAZI

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24163244

Members of a Washington DC Swat team who the BBC has learned were ordered not to respond to Monday's Navy Yard shootings have yet to be contacted by the authorities.

The Capitol Police tactical response team was told by a supervisor to leave the scene instead of aiding municipal officers, sources told the BBC.

Meanwhile, the department has installed a new leader of the elite unit. No reason has been given for the decision.

Gunman Aaron Alexis killed 12 people.

The BBC has also learned that four members of the highly trained team have applied for temporary leave, as they "grapple" with the aftermath of the incident.

The Capitol Police department has not yet granted the request, nor given approval for them to use their own paid time off.

Where are the Navy Yard shooting survivor witnesses? (Image removed from quote.) (Image removed from quote.) #falseflag #obamanation

Fixed.

[lordmaji]

You can tell the Gov is trying their ass off to get gun control to go through (not by legislation but by public opinion -Am Gov 101-)... You can tell by the media and all the reports on "gun violence" it's all over the big media sites, channels, etc. It's the gov's way of pushing an agenda via their media buddies. They want an agenda, well have the big media companies push how much gun violence is in America and have it posted all the time. It gives the gov a way to start changing the minds of the mass population to swing into their way of thinking.

If you don't believe what I am saying, go do your homework this has been proven to work, logic tells you the same also. I'm generally pretty liberal, but this is stupid. 

[Brehvolution]

The thing is, there hasn't been any legislation put forward to take away a single gun.

[Great Rumbler]

The thing is, there hasn't been any legislation put forward to take away a single gun.

It's likely that more people have more guns now than when Obama first took office in 2009.

[Mupepe]

I think it's just a matter of hits.  It's a hot topic and the media knows it so every incident gets covered all to hell as opposed to 5 years ago when a shooting was a blip on the CNN or Fox News ticker.  It will die down again over time and it will go back to very little shits given even by the media.

[Steve Contra]

The thing is, there hasn't been any legislation put forward to take away a single gun.

Devious, isn't it?

[Phoenix Dark]

Obama signed a law to let people carry guns at national parks. That's like the only major thing he has done on guns unless you count the moderate executive actions for shit most people agree with.

[Mupepe]

Obama signed a law to let people carry guns at national parks. That's like the only major thing he has done on guns unless you count the moderate executive actions for shit most people agree with.

When I was 5 we were robbed at a national park and my Michael Jackson Dangerous cd was stolen.  I wish my dad had the right to carry back then. 

[Brehvolution]

I think by this point, Obama has done more for gun and ammo manufacturers/sellers than Vietnam did. Of course, Obama didn't have to do a thing.

[Great Rumbler]

You know what the most wide-spread gun-related legislative action taken after Sandy Hook was? More guns in schools.

[lordmaji]

I know what ya'll saying. I think ya missed the point.



Read Edward Berney's book propaganda.

The thing is, there hasn't been any legislation put forward to take away a single gun.

I stated that...

[Great Rumbler]

If it's meant to be propaganda, then it's not working very well since now more people want more guns in as many places a possible.

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Or maybe it's actually working really well? 

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[lordmaji]

instead of going "stfu you don't know wtf you're talking about" how about read the book.

[Great Rumbler]

So I have to read an entire book before I can reply to your post?

[lordmaji]

So I have to read an entire book before I can reply to your post?

yes. 

[Mandark]

maji, who is The Gov and how do they go about telling the media what to cover?

I'm interested in your theories and would like to learn more about them.