Persona 3DS & Persona 5 PS3

[Rufus]

Not paying for games saves you a lot of money, I would assume.

[Sho Nuff]

PS3 is totally logical if they want to make money.  I have one. All is well.

[magus]

Where'd you get the money to get a computer capable of running pcsx2?

Not paying for games saves you a lot of money, I would assume.

[Takao]

That's not a bold prediction given how long this game's been in development for, and the company's willingness to launch P4 in 2008.

to be fair, Persona 4 was following up Persona 3 and both released on the most successful game console ever.  and I'm guessing the 3DS already outsold the PS3 in Japan.  so maybe it's not a bold prediction but if it went another way it wouldn't have been surprising.

Sure, but Atlus employees have been teasing Persona 5 being in development on an HD platform at a time before 3DS was even released. To think development would shift over to 3DS would mean they'd have to throw out a bunch of stuff, and that doesn't sound like Atlus to me.

[Rufus]

Not paying for games saves you a lot of money, I would assume.

What, am I wrong? 

[Sho Nuff]

It's sad enough that SMT was on 3DS and got dumbed down significantly in scope compared to its PS2 brethren. NEVER AGAIN

[Bebpo]

It's sad enough that SMT was on 3DS and got dumbed down significantly in scope compared to its PS2 brethren. NEVER AGAIN

Except for SMTV and more megaten games on the 3DS for sure over the next 4 years or so   SMTIV sold really well!


I'm perfectly fine with the way Atlus is/was setup last time I checked:

Persona team -> console big budget Persona games -> P5
Handheld team -> SMT SJ/SMTIV type stuff -> ?
EO team -> EOs -> Persona Q
Port team -> port port port -> ?
Growlanser team -> Devil Survivor 1 & 2 -> FE x SMT?

Not sure what happened to the Trauma Team staff, but I have a feeling when P5 development went full gear they got pulled into P5 team.  Also with how incredibly successful Catherine was, you would have thought they would've hired more staff and branched off another team to make a Catherine 2 by now, but who knows.


It's a pretty solid and smart spread of staff that gets a lot of different budget, different quality, all still good products.  Hopefully the whole Index bankruptcy -> Sega buying them isn't going to fuck this stuff up although it appears it already had an effect on P5.  Hopefully that was just because of the transitioning between companies and now everything else is back on track.

And once the P5 team finishes and they have a new set of 3d demon models to use, I expect them to take some chances on new IPs again like how Digital Devil Saga, Devil Summoner (yeah I know not a new IP, but might as well have been) did on PS2.

[Bebpo]

Also, I think there's still a small chance P5 gets announced for PS4 before it actually comes out and is a cross-gen game.  I wouldn't bet on it anymore!  But maybe 20% chance they announce the PS4 version later on.

[Tasty]

Surprised P5 Weeoo wasn't announced after the unprecedented partnership of Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, and the fact that it's kinda sorta a current-gen console while PS3 will be well on its way out by late next year.

It would be nice to have a P3+P4 HD collection as I still wanna play those.

 

But seriously, I thought you were gonna buy a PS3.

I think you misunderstood my post, I'm not angry or sad that it wasn't announced for Weeoo, I'm just slightly surprised is all. But Himu made some good points about it.

[magus]

Not paying for games saves you a lot of money, I would assume.

What, am I wrong? 

no but there is no reason to be so mean about it :'(

also i was being serious about the PCSX2,andrex is being dumb... if he wants to play ps2 game without buying a ps2 he can do so since it's not like you need a super PC to run PCSX2 as long as you don't fuck with the resolution and such but then he couldn't do the whole dance so now i feel bad for having wasted my time in the first place

[Human Snorenado]

It's sad enough that SMT was on 3DS and got dumbed down significantly in scope compared to its PS2 brethren. NEVER AGAIN

handhelds

[parallax]

Surprised P5 Weeoo wasn't announced after the unprecedented partnership of Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, and the fact that it's kinda sorta a current-gen console while PS3 will be well on its way out by late next year.

It would be nice to have a P3+P4 HD collection as I still wanna play those.

you havent played them yet? why?

[thisismyusername]

Yeah, just buy a Vita.... (Image removed from quote.)

You can play Persona 1 (aged badly), both of the Persona 2's (Innocent Sin finally got an official English translation, EP PSX), hotly debated but Persona-4 controlling Persona 3, and a remake that improves elements of Persona 4.

Leaving you to buy a PS3 for cheap only for Persona 5.

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Plus play Disgaea 1-4 for thousands of hours like Magoose?

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Or you can just emulate it like Magoose-pirate with PCSX and PCSX2 and whatever that non-Java PSP emulator is. Whatever. Of course you miss out on the improvements they did to Persona 3-4's handheld releases but whatever.

[bork]

Also, I think there's still a small chance P5 gets announced for PS4 before it actually comes out and is a cross-gen game.  I wouldn't bet on it anymore!  But maybe 20% chance they announce the PS4 version later on.

Vita port.

[Sho Nuff]

Guys this won't do any good. He won't play anything unless it's running on Nintendo hardware.

Or Linux. Hmm. Is there a PS2 emulator for Linux?

[archnemesis]

It might be possible to run Windows in a VirtualBox under Linux and run PCSX2 inside that.

[Himu]

WHERE IS KAZUMA KANEKO?

Smt4 didn't have his art so I just assumed that hey! - Kaneko has to be working on Persona 5! GUESS.WHAT. HE ISN'T.

Why??!!!

[MCD]

He can't draw humans for shit.

[Mr. Gundam]

Surprised P5 Weeoo wasn't announced after the unprecedented partnership of Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, and the fact that it's kinda sorta a current-gen console while PS3 will be well on its way out by late next year.

It would be nice to have a P3+P4 HD collection as I still wanna play those.

 

But seriously, I thought you were gonna buy a PS3.

I think you misunderstood my post, I'm not angry or sad that it wasn't announced for Weeoo, I'm just slightly surprised is all. But Himu made some good points about it.

You also could've replaced Weeoo with Xbox 360 and "Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem" with Catherine and Persona 4 Arena, but that would be just as equally silly.

[Himu]

He can't draw humans for shit.

[naff]

Guys this won't do any good. He won't play anything unless it's running on Nintendo hardware.

Or Linux. Hmm. Is there a PS2 emulator for Linux?

PCSX2 runs on linux, windows and OSX

OSX version is ghetto, but i got the same general performance from my MBP running it under OSX next to the same laptop running the Windows version.

[Mr. Gundam]

Guys this won't do any good. He won't play anything unless it's running on Nintendo hardware.

Or Linux. Hmm. Is there a PS2 emulator for Linux?

I don't think there was even an interest in SMT/Persona/etc. until they resurfaced on Nintendo systems.

[Human Snorenado]

Guys this won't do any good. He won't play anything unless it's running on Nintendo hardware.

Or Linux. Hmm. Is there a PS2 emulator for Linux?

I don't think there was even an interest in SMT/Persona/etc. until they resurfaced on Nintendo systems.

There never is. 

[demi]

I aint gonna judge, but PS3s are $200 minimum this holiday, and probably in the next year going forward... thats dirty as fuck cheap with whats available now and whats coming.

[Sho Nuff]

If you want to be entertained and have the ultimate streaming media box, drop 200 bucks on a PS3 and spend an extra 40 on a year of PS+. Best for dirty poors like me

[Bebpo]

WHERE IS KAZUMA KANEKO?

Smt4 didn't have his art so I just assumed that hey! - Kaneko has to be working on Persona 5! GUESS.WHAT. HE ISN'T.

Why??!!!

Himuro, there was no way he was going to be on P5.  Persona = Soejima now.  One of these two things happened:

1)  Kaneko disagreed with the direction the higher ups were focusing on at Atlus, he had no bargaining power anymore because, even though he's a super cool dude, incredible artist, and solid game designer, sales-wise he brings nothing to their products anymore and they don't need him.  In this case, he probably got thrown under the bus and will be starting his own company that will fail like Okada or he'll go make mobile games like Matsuno.

2)  There's a secret megaten, but not Persona, not SMT, not Devil Survivor, product in development and he's doing the art/heading that one up. 


I dunno, I'd like to believe #2 happened, but with the less and less involvement he was having with megaten over the last few years and basically everything post Raidou 2, I kind of think #1 is more likely.

[Himu]

Soejima's art is a noticeable step down from Kaneko. It just makes me fucking uguu persona fans.

[Mr. Gundam]

Soejima's art is a noticeable step down from Kaneko. I just makes me fucking uguu persona fans.

Soejima is stereotypical 00s anime. Kaneko is a little more unique and stylized and doesn't appeal to the "new" Persona demographic. The truth hurts sometimes.

[magus]

you guys think they are going to use all of the kaneko demon artwork they have been dragging around since SMT3?

[Himu]

Now I know what it was like for FF fans when Nomura replaced Amano. But at least Amano still stayed on and did the monsters and some of environments. Kaneko is a part SMT and especially Persona's identity. It just feels so wrong.

[Sho Nuff]

The styling in smt4 was pretty weird. Lots of completely conflicting art styles for all the demons. It was awesome to have so many of them available, but still

[cool breeze]

I aint gonna judge, but PS3s are $200 minimum this holiday, and probably in the next year going forward... thats dirty as fuck cheap with whats available now and whats coming.

The black friday bundle is Last of Us (ps3 exclusive GOTY), Batman Arkham Origins, and a 250 gig PS3 for $200.  And $30 for a year of PS Plus.  And Persona 3 FES is $5 on PSN.

Andrex, U R E. Jump In. UPGRADE to Playstation 3

[Bebpo]

you guys think they are going to use all of the kaneko demon artwork they have been dragging around since SMT3?

You mean since SMT1?  Yeah, for 2d illustrations of the demons they'll be using them forever.  And I'm sure he'll still get credit in P5 because the new demon models will still be based mainly on his designs over the last 20 years. 

But I expect them to keeping adding new non-Kaneko art demons over the years and maybe eventually they'll redesign his ones.

[Himu]

The styling in smt4 was pretty weird. Lots of completely conflicting art styles for all the demons. It was awesome to have so many of them available, but still

Let's put a bubble gum fairy and an alien...looking demon in the same game. It totally makes sense even though they are two totally different art styles and one looks like it was drawn by an intern.

[Bebpo]

Still sold a ton though, so I doubt they care 

[Takao]

Guys this won't do any good. He won't play anything unless it's running on Nintendo hardware.

Or Linux. Hmm. Is there a PS2 emulator for Linux?

I hear there's a pretty good PSP emulator for high end Android phones.

[Joe Molotov]

I aint gonna judge, but PS3s are $200 minimum this holiday, and probably in the next year going forward... thats dirty as fuck cheap with whats available now and whats coming.

The black friday bundle is Last of Us (ps3 exclusive GOTY), Batman Arkham Origins, and a 250 gig PS3 for $200.  And $30 for a year of PS Plus.  And Persona 3 FES is $5 on PSN.

Andrex, U R E. Jump In. UPGRADE to Playstation 3

Greatness awaits, Andrex.

[Rufus]

Guys this won't do any good. He won't play anything unless it's running on Nintendo hardware.

Or Linux. Hmm. Is there a PS2 emulator for Linux?

I hear there's a pretty good PSP emulator for high end Android phones.

PPSSPP it's called.

[Tasty]

I aint gonna judge, but PS3s are $200 minimum this holiday, and probably in the next year going forward... thats dirty as fuck cheap with whats available now and whats coming.

The black friday bundle is Last of Us (ps3 exclusive GOTY), Batman Arkham Origins, and a 250 gig PS3 for $200.  And $30 for a year of PS Plus.  And Persona 3 FES is $5 on PSN.

Andrex, U R E. Jump In. UPGRADE to Playstation 3

Someday. That's a good deal tho.

Too many Wii U/3DS games to play atm, lol.

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"Stop making excuses."

I don't make em, they come to me.

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[Himu]

3ds

[Tasty]

To be honest though, I probably won't buy the 3DS game unless a situation similar to FE Awakening happens (fuck all to play, super-high reviews, great Bore word of mouth.)

[Lucretius]

"You are slave.  Want emancipation?"

They did such a swell job tackling issues of homophobia and transgender identity with nuance and sensitivity in Persona 4.  I can't wait to see the editorials on how Persona 5 tastefully uses imagery of antebellum American slavery to explore the psychology of Japanese teenagers with daddy issues.

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Will totally buy anyway.

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[Rahxephon91]

Well at least Atlus will get one console rpg out. Hopefully this Persona is a bit darker and creepier like 2 and even 3 compared to 4. Sure seemed like it.

[Himu]

P4 is creepier than P3 I think. But I agree. Looking at the pv teaser... It probably won't be the case. It's typical animu Persona in overdrive. With the memorable imagery, shock value, and silhouettes. I hope I'm wrong though.

[DCharlieJP]

Will be buying both, but expecting P5 to be the real deal and P3DS to be a good deal.

Dancing will be awesome.

[thisismyusername]

P4 is creepier than P3 I think.

Not really.

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Serial Murder isn't as dark as "everyone is apathetic about life therefore I shall take the entire world and kill them."

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Of course there is that Strega plotline that wasn't resolved IIRC, in 3. But let's be honest: 3 had some pretty dark tones while 4 had some but were lightened by Nanako and the investigation team interactions.

That doesn't mean 4's a bad game, BTW. It just doesn't feel as bleak as Persona 1-3 did in the SMT "art-style" "canon." If you get what I mean.

@DCharlie looking at .gifs for P4D it looks like it's going to be like Elite Beat Agents over something like Project Diva or that Hitsune Miku game, which would be a good thing IMO. A Persona-themed Elite Beat Agent/Osu Ottake Ouendan would be amazing

[Himu]

I find serial murders for sport darker than apathy.

That said, P3 was much better at setting a horror tone with its setting than 4.

[Human Snorenado]

Subject matter was darker in P4, tone was darker in P3... somehow. Not sure how it worked, but it's true.

[Himu]

That's a good way to explain things. The actual subject matter in P4 is much more nuanced than the apathy state and characters with daddy issues in 3. But then 3 has evokers, and blood filled streets. So it depends on what you mean: visual or thematic.

[DCharlieJP]

@DCharlie looking at .gifs for P4D it looks like it's going to be like Elite Beat Agents over something like Project Diva or that Hitsune Miku game, which would be a good thing IMO. A Persona-themed Elite Beat Agent/Osu Ottake Ouendan would be amazing

i am glad i am wearing my trust-me-trousers to work today.... :O

[Mr. Gundam]

Well at least Atlus will get one console rpg out. Hopefully this Persona is a bit darker and creepier like 2 and even 3 compared to 4. Sure seemed like it.

I'm really curious if SMTIV actually started out in development on the PS3 before moving to the 3DS.

[Rahxephon91]

Well at least Atlus will get one console rpg out. Hopefully this Persona is a bit darker and creepier like 2 and even 3 compared to 4. Sure seemed like it.

I'm really curious if SMTIV actually started out in development on the PS3 before moving to the 3DS.

It was on that list of games coming to the PS3 back when the PS3 was announced. Back when Japanese developers seemed to trucking on without missing a beat from the PS2.

Anyway, isn't Kaneko a founder at Atlus? Surly he has some power? Maybe he just doesn't want to work on the Persona series or SMT anymore? I don't know. I believe Kaneko is a more interesting and unique artist than Sojiema. Not that he is bad, I enjoy the art of P3/P4, but lets be honest it's just good anime art. Kaneko is one of those Japanese artists that is beyond that. To be fair I'm not sure his more cold style would fit the new Persona games, but man do I want to see something from him. It won't be Persona, I'm not sure Persona fans want his art. I've seen and engaged with Persona fans on other anime forums and a lot of them do come under the stereotypical "my waifu" crowd. His art isn't cute and warm. Hopefully he's developing something. Maybe a Devil Summoner 3? 2 was really good.

[Mr. Gundam]

Well at least Atlus will get one console rpg out. Hopefully this Persona is a bit darker and creepier like 2 and even 3 compared to 4. Sure seemed like it.

I'm really curious if SMTIV actually started out in development on the PS3 before moving to the 3DS.

It was on that list of games coming to the PS3 back when the PS3 was announced. Back when Japanese developers seemed to trucking on without missing a beat from the PS2.

I know it was on that list, I'm curious if they actually ever started making it on PS3 hardware.

[cool breeze]

maybe it's the red and black but it makes me think it's going to have a delinquent/worst/crows zero/kenka bancho slant to it

I don't know why I'm looking forward to Persona 5 when I still haven't played Persona 4 

[Rahxephon91]

I have no idea. As an un-informed person I would have thought they would have made SMTIV first and then re-use all the monster assets and what not for the following games just like in the PS2 era. I think most people expected that. Then they make Catherine which I thought they even said was them getting use to HD console development. Ok, so did they try and do a SMT4 HD and it did'nt work? I don't know, they obviously faced some problems. I mean isn't Persona 5 not even re-using the same engine of Catherine?

I don't know. Atlus obviously is'nt a big company and hell big companies like Square screwed up this gen. I thought though one of the problems with Japanese development is that they aren't(weren't) big on re-using engines and whatnot, they don't have middle ware like a lot of Western developers have. I mean we've seen companies like Platinum and Grasshopper pump out decent HD games, but Platinum has their own engine which they re-use and Grasshopper moved unto Unreal engine allowing them to put out 3 HD games with it.

Atlus dosen't  seem that averse to re-using assets and engines so I would have thought they would have had a leg up on this, but maybe it's just too costly. I mean if there was a SMT4 PS3 would it have sold better than it did on 3DS?

[magus]

there has been an interview where they said the setting will be once again high school and the theme it's... err....

They say that Persona 5 is a RPG with the message of expressing the emotional catharsis in the shout of joy made after overcoming your trials and finally being set free of your chains. hence the imagery of chairs and chains. I would say that the theory about it being about pressure and stress from the Japanese school system is probably a very good guess.

[Himu]

Sounds refreshing and is a continuation of Persona series being a commentary on modern Japanese society. Really like Atlus Persona team tackles modern, relatable problems - particularly in Catherine. Which is probably too much for the people who usually just want their stuff to be fantasy this or sci-fi that. Go keep keepin on, Atlus.

[Raban]

Man, Catherine was such a great game.

[Mr. Gundam]

there has been an interview where they said the setting will be once again high school and the theme it's... err....

They say that Persona 5 is a RPG with the message of expressing the emotional catharsis in the shout of joy made after overcoming your trials and finally being set free of your chains. hence the imagery of chairs and chains. I would say that the theory about it being about pressure and stress from the Japanese school system is probably a very good guess.

Exams make Japanese high schoolers' lives a living hell. Passing them is basically having the shackles taken off, and university is a cake walk in comparison.

[Yulwei]

Fuck

How I would love for P5 to have a worldwide release