Wow, fuck Nintendo fans

[TVC15]

Playing Wind Waker again, and I have to say FUCK YOU to all you stupid Nintendo fanboy fucks that wanted a "realistic" Zelda game.  Aside from depth of field blur that kicks in a little too closely, this game is absolutely marvelous looking.  The characters and animations have so much more personality, and the game is bright and colorful rather than the dampened colors so common in TP.

I mean, TP may have more dungeons, it may lack sailing, it may lack an annoying endgame fetch quest, but Wind Waker has far more personality, and feels far more natural as a "young kid saves the world" game. 

Also, unlike TP, WW isn't similarly artificially lengthened, even though there's a lot of sailing.  Wind Waker also adds randomness to the overworld, something that TP completely lacks.  WW also has the awesome, iconic Hyrule Castle sequence.

Anyway, TP may have more dungeons, but I'm hard-pressed to claim it's the better Zelda.  It's visually a humongous step backwards, and even though it has more dungeons, the first 3 are complete linear snoozefests.  Nintendo fucked up. . .again. . .and it was because they listened to you, the clueless, idiotic fanboys that wouldn't know good Zelda if it was sticking a thumb up your ass.

Fuck you Nintendo fans.  You won't realize that WW was the better Zelda for another couple of years.

[CajoleJuice]

I loved Wind Waker.   

I play TP like once a week it seems.

[brawndolicious]

...except that it was non-nintendo fans that wanted the not cartoony Zelda.

[MrAngryFace]

TP pisses me off so far, all the tasks seem so arbitrary and dumb and I hate the whole town.

[brawndolicious]

TP pisses me off so far, all the tasks seem so arbitrary and dumb and I hate the whole town.

What I remember is fishing pole to get cat, baby's basket can be gotten with throwing an eagle, yadda yadda yadda, somebody gets kidnapped and you get to actually do something.

[TVC15]

...except that it was non-nintendo fans that wanted the not cartoony Zelda.

I don't think so, dude.  It was the Nintendo fans that bitched and bitched and bitched once WW was unveiled and it didn't look like that one "realistic" Spaceworld Link v Gannon demo.  That doomed the series.

[brawndolicious]

I don't think so, dude.  It was the Nintendo fans that bitched and bitched and bitched once WW was unveiled and it didn't look like that one "realistic" Spaceworld Link v Gannon demo.  That doomed the series.

Online, some may have been pissed off when the style was different but I don't know of a single person who actually played the game for over 10 minutes and didn't fall in love.

Everybody was nostalgic of the good presentation of OoT and wanted another game like that but after they played WW they saw it was actually much better (and not 15 fps).

I assure you, I was a die-hard CUNT of a fan to anybody that didn't like the game immediately because of the style.

[TVC15]

I don't think so, dude.  It was the Nintendo fans that bitched and bitched and bitched once WW was unveiled and it didn't look like that one "realistic" Spaceworld Link v Gannon demo.  That doomed the series.

Online, some may have been pissed off when the style was different but I don't know of a single person who actually played the game for over 10 minutes and didn't fall in love.

Everybody was nostalgic of the good presentation of OoT and wanted another game like that but after they played WW they saw it was actually much better (and not 15 fps).

I assure you, I was a die-hard CUNT of a fan to anybody that didn't like the game immediately because of the style.

Just about universally every idiot Nintendo fan bitched.  Sure, they may have liked WW once they played it, but they bitched before they played WW, at which point TP production had already started.

Facts is facts, Nintendo idiot fans ruined TP.

[brawndolicious]

Just about universally every idiot Nintendo fan bitched.  Sure, they may have liked WW once they played it, but they bitched before they played WW, at which point TP production had already started.
Facts is facts, Nintendo idiot fans ruined TP.

They bitched cause there was a perfectly good idea and Eijii Aonuma wanted to try something new.  It could have ruined Zelda as a franchise so unless it was absolutely fucking wonderful, Zelda would be shunned from then on by the general videogame media, thankfully it was a nearly fucking perfect adventure game and probably the best Zelda ever but only people that actually played it (most nintendo fans) would know.

[TVC15]

Just about universally every idiot Nintendo fan bitched.  Sure, they may have liked WW once they played it, but they bitched before they played WW, at which point TP production had already started.
Facts is facts, Nintendo idiot fans ruined TP.

They bitched cause there was a perfectly good idea and Eijii Aonuma wanted to try something new.  It could have ruined Zelda as a franchise so unless it was absolutely fucking wonderful, Zelda would be shunned from then on by the general videogame media, thankfully it was a nearly fucking perfect adventure game and probably the best Zelda ever but only people that actually played it (most nintendo fans) would know.

The bolded statements are patently untrue.  Please stop ruining my thread.

[brawndolicious]

I was exxagerating but not as much as you.

[Vizzys]

LTTP best zelda EVAR

with links adventure a close second

[Human Snorenado]

You know who agrees with you, Whitey?  Olimario.  Yeah.  Chew on that.

[Wobedraggled]

Glad to see this forum meld into the "Nintendo bitching forum" once again...

Nintendo releases demo of big Zelda fight for gc launch everyone gets excited for a realistic Zelda
Nintendo shows Wind Waker, everyone throws a bitch fit
Nintendo releases Wind Waker and people love the style once they play it, but many others still want a realistic Zelda
Nintendo Makes a more realistic Zelda
People Bitch

Sigh.

[bork]

LTTP best zelda EVAR

with links adventure a close second

Link's Awakening is the best Zelda game ever made.  Then A Link To The Past.  And then...eh who cares. 

[MrAngryFace]

Oracle games shit on lttp.

[TVC15]

You know who agrees with you, Whitey?  Olimario.  Yeah.  Chew on that.

Having seen him naked, I have little reason to disagree with him.

Nintendo releases demo of big Zelda fight for gc launch everyone gets excited for a realistic Zelda
Nintendo shows Wind Waker, everyone throws a bitch fit
Nintendo releases Wind Waker and people love the style once they play it, but many others still want a realistic Zelda
Nintendo Makes a more realistic Zelda
People Bitch

They dug their own hole.  They wouldn't have faced this backlash if they didn't screw with the expectations of fans at Spaceworld.

[Van Cruncheon]

ORACLES!!!!!!!! They're vastly better than Link's Awakening -and- LttP. Capcom makes the best Zeldas

[Himu]

I thought you hated WW? Going back on your word because TP is really popular and WW isn't?

WW is one of my favorite Zelda's and I never understood the hate. Yeah, the dungeons could be better and the game is really easy, but it makes up for it in what I think Zelda is really about: adventure.

[Van Cruncheon]

TP's the worst selling Zelda in ages. Popular what? Even WW got more GotY nominations than TP.

[Himu]

I mean, amongst fans of the series everyone is all THIS IS THE BEST ZELDA EVER so I'm sure my TVC is just a wee bit annoyed. Can't blame him either. 

[Van Cruncheon]

it is? which fans -- besides you -- are saying that?

[Himu]

People at gaf.

I think it's the best one but not like that. I haven't talked about Zelda in months. 

[Van Cruncheon]

and people at GAF also think it isn't. Not seein' the consensus, here. Zombie bishie Link scares sane folks.

[Himu]

People at gaf don't think it isn't? Surprising!

I don't like how fucking gay he looks in TP either. And his weird ass smiles...I wanna punch him in the face.

I never minded the realistic style in TP, but I always preferred the way WW looked. WW Link was awesome. 

[TVC15]

I mean, amongst fans of the series everyone is all THIS IS THE BEST ZELDA EVER so I'm sure my TVC is just a wee bit annoyed. Can't blame him either. 

Dude, that's NEW GAME SYNDROME.  Did you see the recent RE4 thread at GAF?  None of them like it any more.  Give TP a year and people will see beyond its artificial length and shitty teh matoor graphics.

NEW GAME SYNDROME will also not be very kind to Gears of War, which is also a shitty game shielded by criticism because people were just that hyped for it, same as RE4.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I agree.  Ocarina actually had the adverse effect of sucking all of the personality out of the early zelda series and replacing it with some mishmash of european fantasy world cliches.  Despite its gameplay problems, wind waker had perhaps the most charming aesthetic ever accomplished in the series and it was depressing to see it renigged in favour of the dog shit texture world of TP.

[Himu]

RE4 hate is at gaf? I hated on the second half of that game like none other and I got nothing but shit and resentment. 

[EmCeeGrammar]

Re4 disc one is good but not excellent.  Didnt want to play the second disc becuase zombie biker island just jumped the proverbial shark.

[Himu]

I thought the first part in the town was amazing, but then you get Ashley and then it's shit.  I hate the castle.

[EmCeeGrammar]

If it wasnt for ashley you could just run by all of the ganado to the exit instead of...ya know.. actually playing the game.

[Himu]

Fucking game turned into a goddamn escort mission.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Dude, that's NEW GAME SYNDROME.  Did you see the recent RE4 thread at GAF?  None of them like it any more.  Give TP a year and people will see beyond its artificial length and shitty teh matoor graphics.

NEW GAME SYNDROME will also not be very kind to Gears of War, which is also a shitty game shielded by criticism because people were just that hyped for it, same as RE4.

AND YOU just hate games with excellent over the shoulder cameras

[MrAngryFace]

WW > TP.

Fact.

Fanboys go home.

[TVC15]

Dude, that's NEW GAME SYNDROME.  Did you see the recent RE4 thread at GAF?  None of them like it any more.  Give TP a year and people will see beyond its artificial length and shitty teh matoor graphics.

NEW GAME SYNDROME will also not be very kind to Gears of War, which is also a shitty game shielded by criticism because people were just that hyped for it, same as RE4.

AND YOU just hate games with excellent over the shoulder cameras

I thought both games did over the shoulder cameras fine.  Both of them just suffered from poorly thought out controls and bad mission/level design.

[MrAngryFace]

I realllly didnt care for Gears of War. Rainbow Six however *swoon*

[Wobedraggled]

WW > TP.

Fact.

Fanboys go home.

Wrong.

[MrAngryFace]

Haha no you are wrong! I AM RIGHT!

[Wobedraggled]

Haha no you are right! I AM WRONG, and I smell funny!

O.k.

I loved WW up until fetch time.

the fetching in TP is much more tolerable, but I would swoon over another WW'esque game

[MrAngryFace]

The tasks in TP are stupid, the first village told me all I need to know. I even paid 50 bux for it! crap!

[The Fake Shemp]

I pretty much created this theory weeks ago, and as always, TVC steals my material.

Twilight Princess arguably has the best gameplay mechanics in the series and the majority of the dungeons are balls out awesome.  The world design is great, in terms of scope and size, but I wish the art design from Wind Waker had been kept intact.  I'm not sure how I let people sucker me into this belief that Twilight Princess has a better, deeper story than its predecessor, because it does not.

Here's the problem - it feels like fan service.  It feels like they tried to jam as much Ocarina-esque type stuff into the game, regardless of if it worked or not, just to appease the fanbase.  They should've continued with the Wind Waker storyline and just made the game quest meatier with longer dungeons.  It worked.  I even liked the sailing (you guys could teleport not too long into the game, quit yer bitchin'!).  Instead, the awesome artstyle and story of this particular universe is being relegated to a touch screen PDA adventure on the DS.  For shame, Nintendo.

In the end, Twilight Princess feels kind of like a Zelda knock-off.  Like they lifted familiar gameplay elements, polished them and made them better - but wrapped it in a forced universe that's just going through the motions.  You could've renamed all the characters and sold it as MELDA: AN ADVENTURE IN LYCHANTHROPY, and I'd feel the same way.

[CajoleJuice]

The tasks in TP are stupid, the first village told me all I need to know. I even paid 50 bux for it! crap!

Owned.

[The Fake Shemp]

The game gets a lot better once you get out of Ordon and it is really fun, but the story and characters feel forced and not like Zelda.  This is like a solid B knock-off Zelda adventure made by EA - MELDA: AN ADVENTURE AN LYHCANTHROPY now with 100% more waggle!

[Himu]

I pretty much created this theory weeks ago, and as always, TVC steals my material.

Twilight Princess arguably has the best gameplay mechanics in the series and the majority of the dungeons are balls out awesome.  The world design is great, in terms of scope and size, but I wish the art design from Wind Waker had been kept intact.  I'm not sure how I let people sucker me into this belief that Twilight Princess has a better, deeper story than its predecessor, because it does not.

Here's the problem - it feels like fan service.  It feels like they tried to jam as much Ocarina-esque type stuff into the game, regardless of if it worked or not, just to appease the fanbase.  They should've continued with the Wind Waker storyline and just made the game quest meatier with longer dungeons.  It worked.  I even liked the sailing (you guys could teleport not too long into the game, quit yer bitchin'!).  Instead, the awesome artstyle and story of this particular universe is being relegated to a touch screen PDA adventure on the DS.  For shame, Nintendo.

In the end, Twilight Princess feels kind of like a Zelda knock-off.  Like they lifted familiar gameplay elements, polished them and made them better - but wrapped it in a forced universe that's just going through the motions.  You could've renamed all the characters and sold it as MELDA: AN ADVENTURE IN LYCHANTHROPY, and I'd feel the same way.

I agree in many ways. The fanservice is really lame. Like, you go to

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the temple of Time

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but it doesn't feel like it. It just feels like some random dungeon. I've no clue why they even put that in there.

[TVC15]

The entirety of the first half of TP (the first three dungeons) is flat out BAD.  The second dungeon is kinda neat, but it's far too linear.  All the wolf segments suck nuts.  Getting tears (aka lengthy backtracking) is stupid bullshit, compounded by the fact that using your senses limits the area you can see to like a 5 foot radius around you.  That's poor design.  It's designed so you're wandering around in the dark, over territory that you've already been over at least once, in search of collectable nick knacks.  And you have to do these ~hour long sequences 3 times.  Anything involving Yiff Link in the game sucks nuts.  It's a far worse addition to the series than sailing was.

The dungeons in the second half of the game do pick up, I'll give it that, some of them are fan-fucking-tastic, but when half the game is dedicated to stupid bullshit, I really can't consider the game great.  Add to that the poor visual presentation (the game packs some nice effects, but this isn't even good looking for a GC game), the weak sound (where's our orchestration?  And voices would be nice), and the horrible, horrible mistake of making the game somewhat story heavy (a flaw that WW also shares to an extent), and you have something EGM would give 3 10s to, aka A MEDIOCRE GAME.

So there you have it, the good is good, the bad is bad.

Wind Waker's flaws (and there are a few) are just not as pronounced and obvious as TP's.  We all know the Tri Force hunt sucks, the Forsaken Fortress sucks, and there are too few dungeons, but I'll always prefer that to the massive waste of time the first half of TP is.

[The Fake Shemp]

I think your wrong about the dungeons, and well, most of your negative comments are taken to an extreme (poor looking for a GameCube title - c'mon).

I also like the Forsaken Fortress.  It had charm.

That's something Wind Waker oozes and Twilight Princess has little of.  But it does have a Teen rating and mature art style, so I'm sure it'll sell well.

[TVC15]

I think your wrong about the dungeons, and well, most of your negative comments are taken to an extreme (poor looking for a GameCube title - c'mon).

The image quality is crap, and the game's aesthetics are largely ugly.  It's not a very pleasant game to look at.  I think the (lack of) colors is the problem.  The colors that are present are usually dampened.  The game looks like someone took a dump in a bowl of pea soup, color-wise.

[MrAngryFace]

The problem with TP is that none of the tasks make sense, none of the NPCs are helpful, its just bullshit. I fuckin hate the game 10 minutes in THERE IS A PROBLEM.

Why am I catching goats and cats and fishing poles and waiting for the fucker with his sword TO GIVE ME A GODDAMNED SWORD ALREADY. WW had a much better first town and dungeon.

NO ONE TELLS ME WHERE SHIT IS EITHER IM LIKE HAY WHERE IS FISHINGPOLE - WITH MY MOM - WHERE IS YOUR MOM - WITH MY MOM - WHERE IS AWWW SHIT GOD DAMNIT A GOAT JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Himu]

But that's not the first dungeon. WW's first dungeon pales to TP's first dungeon.

[MrAngryFace]

TP should be fun right away to keep me playing

I hate having to work through suck to get to fun. If there's gonna be suck, make it in the later half of the game please.

[The Fake Shemp]

The image quality is crap, and the game's aesthetics are largely ugly.  It's not a very pleasant game to look at.  I think the (lack of) colors is the problem.  The colors that are present are usually dampened.  The game looks like someone took a dump in a bowl of pea soup, color-wise.

No.  You're insane.  Insane, madman!

The problem with TP is that none of the tasks make sense, none of the NPCs are helpful, its just bullshit. I fuckin hate the game 10 minutes in THERE IS A PROBLEM.

Why am I catching goats and cats and fishing poles and waiting for the fucker with his sword TO GIVE ME A GODDAMNED SWORD ALREADY. WW had a much better first town and dungeon.

NO ONE TELLS ME WHERE SHIT IS EITHER IM LIKE HAY WHERE IS FISHINGPOLE - WITH MY MOM - WHERE IS YOUR MOM - WITH MY MOM - WHERE IS AWWW SHIT GOD DAMNIT A GOAT JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I concur, that task was tedious and not fun, but Himuro is right - that was not the first dungeon and Twilight Princess' first dungeon bests the one in Wind Waker.

But there is another truth in what you said - the town sucks, the characters suck and it just feels forced and tedious.  It feels like - say it with me, people! - MELDA: AN ADVENTURE IN LYCHANTHROPY.

One wonders if Eiji Aonuma is spending more of his personal involvement with the Wind Waker sequel on the DS than he did with MELDA: AN ADVENTURE IN LYCHANTHROPY.

[TVC15]

But that's not the first dungeon. WW's first dungeon pales to TP's first dungeon.

It takes 3 hours to get into TP's first dungeon, and then it ends up being short for a Zelda dungeon.  I bet Nintendo fans like it because they are gay for monkeys, though.

The first 3 hours of TP are absolutely godawful.  You have to go through that town and doing lame fetch questy shit 2 (or is it 3) times there.  Yeah, it's the longest Zelda ever, but only because it resorts to awful awful backtracking.

[The Fake Shemp]

Three hours?  Jesus, you suck at tedious quests!

[Van Cruncheon]

no way. Dragon's Roost takes a MASSIVE SHIT on TP's Forest Shrine. The monkey faggotry made it all the worse.

That said, TP's Arbiter's Grounds is the best Zelda dungeon yet, beating even MM's Stone Tower and WW's Deku Tree.

[The Fake Shemp]

Arbiter's Grounds gave me a chubby.

[MrAngryFace]

Dragons Roost is one of the best moments in gaming.

[TVC15]

Three hours?  Jesus, you suck at tedious quests!

It was definitely 2 to 3 hours.  I remember sitting down for the first time, and wanting to get into a good Zelda dungeon, but by the time I finally reached the dungeon, it was time to quit playing for the night.

Ugh, those "quests" in town were awful.  There was no direction about what order to do things in (Do I get the fishing rod?  How the fuck do I get the cat?), and then there was the distinguished mentally-challenged herding animals thing (which you are required to do twice), there's the use the bird to get shit mechanic (Between trying to use the bird and just fucking chasing it, I probably spent a half fucking hour on that stupid cat).

The cat thing was especially infuriating.  You try to get it for a half hour (you can pick up lots of things heavier than a cat, but forget about trying to pick up the cat), you finally get the fishing rod and figure that's what you have to do.  You stand by the cat, you catch a fish, and nothing happens.  What the fuck?  You not only have to catch 1 fish, but you don't even TRY to give a fish to the cat until you get the second.  Extremely poor design.  That town frustrated me so much.  The aggravation at fishing was amplified because the game, shock, does not even fucking tell you how to fish (I am talking bout the Wii version, I am sure fishing is easier on the cube).  You're stuck there flailing your arms around trying to get a fucking fish because the Wiimote controls are unexplained and you have no fucking clue what you are doing.

And when you finally go through the town (twice), herd (twice), get the shitty tears (since this was the first time you had to do this, it took me longer than the other times), and FINALLY get back to the woods, it takes you like 10 fucking minutes to get through the fucking fog because that fucking monkey moves like old people fuck.  Fuck!  What a shitty fucking beginning to the game.  And then after all that buildup, the first dungeon shoots a complete fucking blank.  The second dungeon spurts a lil' bit.  The third sucks nuts again.  UGH.

[Himu]

But that's not the first dungeon. WW's first dungeon pales to TP's first dungeon.

It takes 3 hours to get into TP's first dungeon, and then it ends up being short for a Zelda dungeon.  I bet Nintendo fans like it because they are gay for monkeys, though.

Short? The first dungeon in TP is longer than all of WW dungeons!

[Van Cruncheon]

oh god, the monkey-in-the-fog bit was AWFUL. Forgot about that.

The last half of the game is really great, though. If they took the first half (including the first three dungeons) of WW minus Forsaken Fortress, and added the last half of TP (Arbiter's Grounds through City in the Sky) in the WW style with WW's finale, they'd have the best 3D Zelda ever -- yes, even better than Okami.

Axe Midna, though. She's creepy GAF yuck.

[Van Cruncheon]

The first dungeon only seems long because you hafta backtrack like fuck to collect monkeys and blow windmills. In terms of real estate, it's stupid small.