Author Topic: Game Of Thrones S4: Her name isn't Khaleesi (Read 75973 times)

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #720 on:** June 16, 2014, 01:25:41 PM »

Eager to see Briene vs. Hound. Hoping it tops the fight scene between Jon and the Then guy from last week.

Himu · « **Reply #721 on:** June 16, 2014, 01:34:20 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on June 16, 2014, 01:25:41 PM

Eager to see Briene vs. Hound. Hoping it tops the fight scene between Jon and the Then guy from last week.

best fight in the series.

Diunx · « **Reply #722 on:** June 16, 2014, 02:40:54 PM »

Didn't like Tyrion's motivations for killing Tywin.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #723 on:** June 16, 2014, 02:41:34 PM »

Diunx · « **Reply #724 on:** June 16, 2014, 02:42:06 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 16, 2014, 01:34:20 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on June 16, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
Eager to see Briene vs. Hound. Hoping it tops the fight scene between Jon and the Then guy from last week.

best fight in the series.

Really? I thought it was crap until they got close and personal, the shaking cam ruined it, then again most fights in this show have been crap so that's not really a big shoe to fill.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #725 on:** June 16, 2014, 03:38:07 PM »

There was a nice longer shot in there, before the fist fighting. Overall it was well shot, however the filming of the sword part was off.

Jon v Styr is the best fight in the show. There are a couple great, edit-less moments in it. I think it's because Harrington did all his stunts and sword work because he's really good at it.

Himu · « **Reply #726 on:** June 16, 2014, 03:45:17 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 03:38:07 PM

There was a nice longer shot in there, before the fist fighting. Overall it was well shot, however the filming of the sword part was off.

Jon v Styr is the best fight in the show. There are a couple great, edit-less moments in it. I think it's because Harrington did all his stunts and sword work because he's really good at it.

Jon v Styr is a great pick too.

Diunx · « **Reply #727 on:** June 16, 2014, 03:55:18 PM »

I liked Hound vs The Lighting Lord too.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #728 on:** June 16, 2014, 04:56:49 PM »

Great episode, really enjoyed the Hound/Brienne stuff and the ending was perfect. The Mountain stuff confused the hell out of the non-book readers I was watching with, and I wonder if that was better left till the start of next season.

Also jesus christ, how badly did they handle the Jaime/Cersei in the sept earlier in the season if they were just going to forget it anyway.

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I don't mind Lady Stoneheart not being included. It's an odd (but cool) inclusion at the end of the book anyway, and divorced from the rest of the action. Also given that she doesn't do shit anyway until the end of the next books, who cares. It's not like her story is moving the plot along any.

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helios · « **Reply #729 on:** June 16, 2014, 05:05:19 PM »

Quote from: Diunx on June 16, 2014, 02:42:06 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 16, 2014, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: fistfulofmetal on June 16, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
Eager to see Briene vs. Hound. Hoping it tops the fight scene between Jon and the Then guy from last week.

best fight in the series.

Really? I thought it was crap until they got close and personal, the shaking cam ruined it, then again most fights in this show have been crap so that's not really a big shoe to fill.

I thought it was the extremely quick cuts that ruined that part. Once they started to fist fight, it got a lot better

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #730 on:** June 16, 2014, 05:25:16 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 16, 2014, 04:56:49 PM

Great episode, really enjoyed the Hound/Brienne stuff and the ending was perfect. The Mountain stuff confused the hell out of the non-book readers I was watching with, and I wonder if that was better left till the start of next season.

Also jesus christ, how badly did they handle the Jaime/Cersei in the sept earlier in the season if they were just going to forget it anyway.

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I don't mind Lady Stoneheart not being included. It's an odd (but cool) inclusion at the end of the book anyway, and divorced from the rest of the action. Also given that she doesn't do shit anyway until the end of the next books, who cares. It's not like her story is moving the plot along any.
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another thing people are forgetting is

ASOS

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This isn't a novel, where characters can come and go without logistical limitations. Having Stoneheart would require getting a great actress to fly out just to be a zombie in one scene. Fairley is currently on 24 and is filming other stuff. Plus as you said, it's so divorced from the rest of the season that I don't think it matters. Maybe they'll bring her in for the big "oh shit" moment of S5's premier, who knows. Or maybe not. There's a rumor Jaime will be in Dorne next season, which throws the Stoneheart arc off.

The worse thing is that Yahoo, HuffPo and other sites are outright spoiling it now.

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CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #731 on:** June 16, 2014, 05:30:25 PM »

I am slightly disappointed the skipped over the Tysha twist, but I guess I can live with it. Had a non book reader ask me why Tyrion would kill his dad, might have been better to have that direct reasoning but I mean, cmon he still had motivation.

Kara · « **Reply #732 on:** June 16, 2014, 05:33:18 PM »

His dad sentenced him to die and y'all whining about yet another reason for him killing his pops not being present.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #733 on:** June 16, 2014, 05:40:26 PM »

So this is going to be my first "the book did it better" thing. But, the book did the Stannis army reveal far better. Having then arrive just whole the battle at the wall is raging is such a great moment. Here they just... show up and it's kinda anticlimactic. Oh well.

Good ender overall though.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #734 on:** June 16, 2014, 05:42:20 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 05:25:16 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 16, 2014, 04:56:49 PM
Great episode, really enjoyed the Hound/Brienne stuff and the ending was perfect. The Mountain stuff confused the hell out of the non-book readers I was watching with, and I wonder if that was better left till the start of next season.

Also jesus christ, how badly did they handle the Jaime/Cersei in the sept earlier in the season if they were just going to forget it anyway.

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I don't mind Lady Stoneheart not being included. It's an odd (but cool) inclusion at the end of the book anyway, and divorced from the rest of the action. Also given that she doesn't do shit anyway until the end of the next books, who cares. It's not like her story is moving the plot along any.
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another thing people are forgetting is

ASOS
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This isn't a novel, where characters can come and go without logistical limitations. Having Stoneheart would require getting a great actress to fly out just to be a zombie in one scene. Fairley is currently on 24 and is filming other stuff. Plus as you said, it's so divorced from the rest of the season that I don't think it matters. Maybe they'll bring her in for the big "oh shit" moment of S5's premier, who knows. Or maybe not. There's a rumor Jaime will be in Dorne next season, which throws the Stoneheart arc off.

The worse thing is that Yahoo, HuffPo and other sites are outright spoiling it now.
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I hadn't thought of that. They would have had to film the episode last season for it to make sense.

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Also:

ADWD

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What do you think, the pit capping off next season, or do they have to you know...do something with Dany? Her arc until that point is pretty :-\in the books, and good lord it would be worse in the show.

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Also:

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Coldhands? Feels like his identity (Benjen?) is important. I wonder if they just drop him altogether, or work it in later.

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Kara · « **Reply #735 on:** June 16, 2014, 05:55:21 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on June 16, 2014, 05:40:26 PM

So this is going to be my first "the book did it better" thing. But, the book did the Stannis army reveal far better. Having then arrive just whole the battle at the wall is raging is such a great moment. Here they just... show up and it's kinda anticlimactic. Oh well.

Good ender overall though.

They also attack the Wildlings while they're encamped in some woods (i.e. those budget considerations).

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #736 on:** June 16, 2014, 06:17:41 PM »

ADWD

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I'm also guessing Daznak's Pit will be the episode 9 moment, should be pretty badass. Which means Tyrion will have to be in Meereen by then; they have cast his slave master so we know he's going to Meereen. I'm assuming they'll focus a lot on the Harpy attacks in order to add more action to Dany's scenes. I'm also going to bet that Grey Worm will be the unsullied who dies in the brothel, given how much time they spent building up his romance life. Outside of that I'm not sure what they'll do. Daario sex scenes, a Barristan exposition scene, etc.

I'm guessing Arya will have a lot more screen time next season, and they'll finish up her AFFC and ADWD chapters. I really think it'll translate well on television. Although I wonder how they'll handle her skinchanging the cat. So far only Bran has displayed warg or skinchanging abilities in the show, perhaps to make him unique. But Arya does it multiple times in AFFC/ADWD, including the cheat during her Faceless Man training.

I think Coldhands has been cut or he'll appear later. He's almost certainly not Benjen though imo. The child of the forest says he was killed "long ago" and considering she is at least 300 years old, 1-2 years ago doesn't qualify as "long ago" to her imo. I think he's the Night's King. Old Nan said that he was whispered to be a Stark, and his name may have been Brandon. So when Bran asks him who he is and he said "your monster, Brandon Stark" I think he was actually telling him who he is.

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fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #737 on:** June 16, 2014, 07:02:58 PM »

A problem I had with the skeleton fight was that the skeletons walked like regular people. They probably didn't have enough time to choreograph and practice with a bunch of stunt people moving and fighting as a hobbling skeleton might.

but it was a decent little scene nonetheless.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #738 on:** June 16, 2014, 07:49:24 PM »

Sandor was likely less than healthy so I'm cool with it.

Besides I've never been a fan of "who would win" nerd warz. In reality there's rarely a dominant character. Even when healthy Sandor probably wouldn't kill Brienne 10 times out of 10, she'd win at least a couple times.

Even Arthur Dayne got bodied by someone weaker than him. :trollbron:

Brehvolution · « **Reply #739 on:** June 16, 2014, 07:58:50 PM »

I'd take Bran over Brienne any day. /nohodor

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #740 on:** June 17, 2014, 12:23:13 AM »

ADWD

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Dany's story in Meereen could be awesome TV if they adapted the equally awesome Meereenese Blot analysis, but the problem they already have with that is that Daario is really, really milquetoast in the show in comparison to the charismatic slut he is in the books.

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Squiddy · « **Reply #741 on:** June 17, 2014, 01:18:16 AM »

ALL BOOKS & SHOW SPOILERS:

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So who's on the Daario = Euron train?

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chronovore · « **Reply #742 on:** June 18, 2014, 03:03:58 AM »

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/29221ac323/gay-of-thrones-s4-ep-10-future-legendary-children

I'm a little behind in this thread; apologies if it was posted already.

Tasty · « **Reply #743 on:** June 18, 2014, 03:47:50 AM »

Munch Munch

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Holy shit that cameo

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ZephyrFate · « **Reply #744 on:** June 18, 2014, 04:57:01 AM »

SHE's GONNA FLY GIRL

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #745 on:** June 18, 2014, 10:41:48 AM »

Thinly veiled book spoiler in that video btw, but so funny

brawndolicious · « **Reply #746 on:** June 18, 2014, 02:22:08 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 16, 2014, 01:48:49 AM

I'm surprised that zephyr doesn't care about

ASOS

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the fact that Jaime tells Tyrion about the truth about his wife, and they have a falling out and that leads to Tyrion killing Tywin. The tv versions way of events made things far less convincing. Tyrion had little reason to kill Tywin in this case, I think. At least compared to the book. It felt abrupt and forced. Also, no "wherever whores go" but oh well. It was still a good scene, but not as emotionally packed as it was in ASOS.
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I just missed that line about Tywin not shitting gold. Killing your father because he set you up for death and stole the woman who you recently had loved seems like a good enough reason, obviously it was a bit random this way for Tyrion to go up to Tywin's room though.

I'm guessing they changed Tysha's story to actually being a whore because it would be too confusing with what Shae said about a woman not normally feeling amorous after being saved from rapists.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #747 on:** June 18, 2014, 04:02:47 PM »

Wait, you wish a narrator said "Tywin Lannister did not, in fact, shit gold" breh? Tyrion could have broken the fourth wall to say it into the camera, then wink?

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #748 on:** June 18, 2014, 04:20:18 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2014, 04:02:47 PM

Wait, you wish a narrator said "Tywin Lannister did not, in fact, shit gold" breh? Tyrion could have broken the fourth wall to say it into the camera, then wink?

the show could have very easily setup that line earlier in the season with dialogue between Tyrion and another character and had him say it "to his father" at the end as a call back.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #749 on:** June 18, 2014, 04:21:57 PM »

No I was thinking a guard could find the body and say that or even Olenna at the funeral. I was looking forward to it all year!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #750 on:** June 18, 2014, 11:02:41 PM »

Mandark · « **Reply #751 on:** June 18, 2014, 11:10:32 PM »

No way Pod didn't eat the wolf bread.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #752 on:** June 19, 2014, 12:38:15 AM »

"Arya disapproves"

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #753 on:** June 19, 2014, 10:37:03 PM »

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/8876107/

Squiddy · « **Reply #754 on:** June 19, 2014, 11:28:14 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on June 16, 2014, 07:02:58 PM

A problem I had with the skeleton fight was that the skeletons walked like regular people. They probably didn't have enough time to choreograph and practice with a bunch of stunt people moving and fighting as a hobbling skeleton might.

but it was a decent little scene nonetheless.

I thought the way the skeletons moved was amazing tbh, made them look really dangerous and single-minded.

helios · « **Reply #755 on:** June 20, 2014, 07:58:43 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2014, 10:37:03 PM

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/8876107/

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #756 on:** June 20, 2014, 06:53:06 PM »

14yo GRRM

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/17/check-out-george-r-r-martins-fantastic-four-fan-letter-from-the-1960s

dat trolling

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #757 on:** June 22, 2014, 09:41:50 PM »

Is this thread book-spoilers-free? I just finished watching this and intend to skim through it.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #758 on:** June 22, 2014, 09:43:18 PM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on June 22, 2014, 09:41:50 PM

Is this thread book-spoilers-free? I just finished watching this and intend to skim through it.

generally speaking yeah.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #759 on:** June 23, 2014, 10:10:48 AM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on June 22, 2014, 09:41:50 PM

Is this thread book-spoilers-free? I just finished watching this and intend to skim through it.

Just don't read the spoiler tags

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #760 on:** June 23, 2014, 06:22:45 PM »

casting news DO NOT CLICK if you don't want S5/AFFC spoilers

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http://winteriscoming.net/2014/06/23/familiar-face-returning-game-thrones-season-5/

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boom

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I hope this is true. I've long argued it would be perfect to make Jaqen the Kindly Man. It changes Jaqen's AFFC plot but I still think it's a great idea. Imagine if he's Kindly Man wearing Jaqen's face, so every time Arya recognizes him or makes a comment that suggests she has met him before she fails her lesson. Plus Jaqen could troll her by mentioning things only Arya Stark would know, and if she responds...she fails the test again. That could be such an awesome dynamic.

Or he could just have a minor role like assassinating Balon Greyjoy; I think he'll be the Kindly Man since he's allegedly being added to the main cast, according to the article. I don't think they're going to do Sam's Oldstown arc, personally. If anything they'll send him to King's Landing to train with Prycelle. That would help the show avoid adding another location and allow established characters to interact with each other

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Bebpo · « **Reply #761 on:** June 23, 2014, 06:29:01 PM »

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Kindly man is such a different type of character...would be really weird and not-Jacqen to take on that role.

Would rather he played some other "new" role and meet Arya while she's training.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #762 on:** June 23, 2014, 06:37:02 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on June 23, 2014, 06:29:01 PM

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Kindly man is such a different type of character...would be really weird and not-Jacqen to take on that role.

Would rather he played some other "new" role and meet Arya while she's training.
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But the beauty of it would be that it isn't Jaqen, its the Kindly Man using his face. We saw Jaqen's real face at the end of S2, just as we saw it in ACOK and AFFC. The point of Arya's training is to essentially kill her identity as Arya Stark, which is why she gets in trouble for keeping Needle. Recognizing Jaqen or remembering her time in Harenhel would similarly result in her failing a lesson.

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toku · « **Reply #763 on:** June 23, 2014, 06:45:50 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2014, 10:37:03 PM

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/8876107/

"Arya taking a trip to understudy with Ghostface Killah"

Amazing

Himu · « **Reply #764 on:** June 23, 2014, 07:32:21 PM »

I forgot the

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jaqen story in AFFC? All I know is who he is. Little else.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #765 on:** June 23, 2014, 07:53:06 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 23, 2014, 07:32:21 PM

I forgot the
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jaqen story in AFFC? All I know is who he is. Little else.
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He kills Pate in the prologue and takes his face in the last chapter of the book. It's generally speculated that he's there for the dragon book, The Death of Dragons, of which there is only one copy. Interestingly though there's a book with a similar name on the Wall...where Jaqen was originally heading in ACOK.

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ZephyrFate · « **Reply #766 on:** June 23, 2014, 08:00:17 PM »

I like this casting.

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He nailed the role of Jaqen and I think truncating the Oldtown storyline would be fine (mostly because it doesn't seem to have a huge point... yet), plus he's hot. I want him to return and speak in that beautiful cadence he put on.

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Squiddy · « **Reply #767 on:** June 24, 2014, 12:55:58 AM »

I am excited

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #768 on:** June 26, 2014, 02:24:03 AM »

Michelle Fairley confirmed that

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Stoneheart is not happening at all. Sad day.

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Himu · « **Reply #769 on:** June 26, 2014, 02:24:40 AM »

Yesssssssss!!!!!!!!!

Squiddy · « **Reply #770 on:** June 26, 2014, 02:46:32 AM »

Tv-show spoilers:

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Probably means that Stoneheart won't be of any greater importance in the books then.

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Squiddy · « **Reply #771 on:** June 26, 2014, 02:53:37 AM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2014, 02:47:58 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on June 26, 2014, 02:24:03 AM
Michelle Fairley confirmed that

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Stoneheart is not happening at all. Sad day.
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Fuck this.

Stoneheart (fuck spoiler tagging it at this point) was one of GRRM's best ideas.

Himu · « **Reply #772 on:** June 26, 2014, 03:00:31 AM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2014, 02:47:58 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on June 26, 2014, 02:24:03 AM
Michelle Fairley confirmed that

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Stoneheart is not happening at all. Sad day.
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Fuck this.

Stoneheart (fuck spoiler tagging it at this point) was one of GRRM's best ideas.

It was shit, cowardly, and total balls from a story pov.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #773 on:** June 26, 2014, 03:37:57 AM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2014, 02:47:58 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on June 26, 2014, 02:24:03 AM
Michelle Fairley confirmed that

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Stoneheart is not happening at all. Sad day.
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Fuck this.

Stoneheart (fuck spoiler tagging it at this point) was one of GRRM's best ideas.

It's a really cool gotcha shock moment at the end of ASOS, but it's likely the character was meant to just be a thematic bridging between other POVs and doesn't have a great importance going forward.

They'll likely turn the character's arc to the Brotherhood without Banners.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #774 on:** June 26, 2014, 07:13:18 AM »

Quote from: Squiddy on June 26, 2014, 02:46:32 AM

Tv-show spoilers:
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Probably means that Stoneheart won't be of any greater importance in the books then.
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Martin has already said the show doesn't predict everything that happens in the books. In this case

ADWD/S5 spoilers

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we know Brienne is leading Jaime to Stoneheart, and I doubt he's going to be having tea with her. Shit is gonna go down or he'll be forced to do something.

Allegedly Jaime is going to Dorne next season instead...

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Squiddy · « **Reply #775 on:** June 26, 2014, 11:50:13 AM »

Atramental · « **Reply #776 on:** June 26, 2014, 12:10:11 PM »

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #777 on:** June 26, 2014, 12:10:30 PM »

that picture is so obviously fake that it's shocking people are dumb enough to think it's real.

Squiddy · « **Reply #778 on:** June 26, 2014, 12:12:35 PM »

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Was watching the GoT finale with a couple of buddies, and one of them exclaimed (in regards to Arya, during the scene where she leaves the Hound behind cold-blooded) "Damn she'll be fine in a couple of years. I so would."

It's okay though, she's 17 and a-okay in the UK, but me and the third guy shook our heads.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #779 on:** June 26, 2014, 03:56:18 PM »

TWOW spoilers?

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From Entertainment Weekly:
The book opens with two big battles, long speculated to be the one in Meereen and the Bolton/Baratheon one in Winterfell on account of you can already read the chapters in which those battles start and are mentioned.
The Dothraki are back “in a big way,” which the author has noted before. This time he adds that “Dany has embraced her heritage as a Targaryen and embraced the Targaryen words. [“Fire and Blood”] So [she is] coming home.” Hooray, Daenerys chapters! And westward she shall go? Will Drogon follow? Will she stop at Meereen to pick the rest of her dragons up?
Tyrion is also pining for the homelands and will be heading back to Westeros. Martin teased that his path “will intersect, in a way” with Daenerys’ but that “for much of the book they’re still apart.”
The Wall is a major location in the book and a lot of story will be playing out there.
There are more betrayals to come.
There are more character deaths to come.
There are more weddings to come.

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Though most of us have guessed a good chunk of these.

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