Shaka has not seen a Star Wars movie

[Stoney Mason]

I hate to categorize nerd shit on this scale...but Star Wars will always be cooler than Star Trek. There's just no comparison. Looks better, cooler weapons, more interesting aliens, more badass villain, etc.

By "cooler" I'm assuming you mean more popular. And yes I would agree that Star Wars will always be more popular than Star Trek. Not not that I necessarily care about that though.

Honestly all I really want is for Trek to eventually come back to TV as I think its more suited for that medium than motion films.

[Himu]

I hate to categorize nerd shit on this scale...but Star Wars will always be cooler than Star Trek. There's just no comparison. Looks better, cooler weapons, more interesting aliens, more badass villain, etc.

By "cooler" I'm assuming you mean more popular. And yes I would agree that Star Wars will always be more popular than Star Trek. Not not that I necessarily care about that though.

I don't think he means by popularity. I think he means aesthetically, and I would agree. Even with TNG, it often still feels like the same 60's show but with better camerss. Sometimes it could still feel like the original Star Trek due to effects, makeup, costumes, sets. It looked so cheap and gaudy. But Star Wars has a sense of cool where Trek is lacking: lightsabers, blasters shooting like pistols, Han Solo, Jedi, it's just all so interesting. More often than not, more interesting than Star Trek's idyllic human exceptionalism. One thing I love about Star Wars: unlike many other space franchises, humans are NOT exceptional.

[TakingBackSunday]

please tell me at least one of you stans the EU

i need one last Kyle Katarn game.

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[Stoney Mason]

I hate to categorize nerd shit on this scale...but Star Wars will always be cooler than Star Trek. There's just no comparison. Looks better, cooler weapons, more interesting aliens, more badass villain, etc.

By "cooler" I'm assuming you mean more popular. And yes I would agree that Star Wars will always be more popular than Star Trek. Not not that I necessarily care about that though.

I don't think he means by popularity. I think he means aesthetically, and I would agree. Even with TNG, it often still feels like the same 60's show but with better camerss. Sometimes it could still feel like the original Star Trek due to effects, makeup, costumes, sets. It looked so cheap and gaudy. But Star Wars has a sense of cool where Trek is lacking: lightsabers, blasters shooting like pistols, Han Solo, Jedi, it's just all so interesting.

Well yes. One has the budget for big movies and the other other has the budget for a TV show that must be stretched across 22 episodes. The production values for Star Wars will always dwarf those for Trek.

But I didn't see anything "cool" about those last three star wars movies. I would argue the last two star trek films were more aesthetically pleasing than  the recent Star wars films. (And I have pretty big issues with those trek movies)

[Himu]

Welllll, I don't even count the new trilogy. But even when we compare the new Trek movies to original Star Wars trilogy, I still think Star Wars is way cooler. But now we're arguing something silly lol.

[Rufus]

There's a 'monster/planet of the week' feel i've never been able to shake from Trek, that leaves me thinking SW is just more epic and wide reaching in scope.

That's actually what I liked about it so much. That and alien ecology. I still remember a lot of the episode fondly, like the one where they all go backwards through evolutionary history. Whorf turns into some monster, Riker into a cave man and Berkley into a spider. Bizarre stuff. The one where Picard lives an entire life-time in some simulation is great, too.
I gotta disagree on the smart bit though. It's more adult and properly sci-fi for sure, but it's filled to the brim with its own brand of nonsense. Quality varies a LOT.

Speaking of evolution, Voyager tops the evolution nonsense above in that Warp 10 episode, where Paris and Janeway end up traveling forward through time and ultimately evolve (as if our DNA were pre-programmed that way) into salamander-like creatures and mate.

Ah man... I need to watch TNG again.

[Stoney Mason]

Well let's be honest. Good Trek is often the things that aren't cool. It's social satire and examination of moral and social issues with a lot of talking. And not a lot of fast paced action. (At least the TV shows are this way which is also why they are the best Trek) That alone distinguishes it from what most modern entertainment is about. That's not "cool". But it can be quality entertainment on a level that Star Wars doesn't really approach. Which is not to crap on Star Wars. It's not trying to do what Trek is doing obviously.

[Himu]

Yeah, that makes me question the merits of the possibility of ever again getting proper Trek.

[Rufus]

Yup. The prime directive and how they treat it throughout the series is a crock of shit though.

[Himu]

holodecks episodes are the worst

[Himu]

let's take a show that takes places centuries in the future to tell a 1920's noir story on the holodeck.

[Rufus]

There's this bizarre episode where the ship's interior slowly turns into a temple and the crew re-enacts an ancient myth with masks. Data is the moon and Picard the sun or vice versa. I think that's one of the earliest episodes I remember. I love TNG. <3

[Stoney Mason]

There is no doubt Star Trek needed a rest. It had fallen into too many lazy repeated tropes and had just had generally run out of steam. (I often feel this way about Doctor Who) Anything that is on that constantly will fall into this. But I think it has had enough of a rest for it to be brought back to TV with a lot of new ideas.

[Himu]

I disagree. Trek does character driven drama very well. TNG episodes like Measure of a Man, The Offspring, Family;etc are great examples of this and are often cited as the best eps in the series. Plus Deep Space 9 did character drama wonderfully.

[Himu]

If Trek returns it will be like Battlestar Galactica reboot.

And Game of Thrones is all about factions, Esch.

[Rufus]

I can't imagine what Trek would look like these days. There'd certainly be more demand for action, but I don't think it could pull the budget for that. Then again, its always struck me as a cheap show, what with all the re-usable sets and everything.

actually Lwaxana troi is the jar jar binks of star trek

Oh, you sense emotion. Guess what, so can anyone but Data! Such a pointless character.

In that de-evolution episode Worf bites her in the face if I remember correctly.

[Himu]

You're thinking of Deanna Troi. He's speaking of Deanna's mother.

[Rufus]

Oh shit. Still, the point stands. Deanna never did anything worthwhile as far as I remember.  Her mom didn't have much of a presence though. There's that naked wedding ceremony. Don't remember anything else about her besides her lusting after Picard.

[Mandark]

Who was it here that described TNG as "the good kind of boring?"  I need to go back and like that post.

[Mandark]

In the time it takes you to justify never having seen Star Trek, you could have watched Next Generation S05E05: Disaster.

 

[Joe Molotov]

that return of the Jedi hate is powerful. I guess people really hate the ewoks that much

[Eli Gulgin]

Who cares?

I've never seen a minute of Star Trek, so what?

I don't want your nude pics anymore.

[Great Rumbler]

Since we're talking about Star Trek again:

[Human Snorenado]

Why ROTJ will always be my favorite

[Himu]

I don't see the new Trek needs much action.  BSG reboot had a bit of action but for the most part it was just a character Drama and that's why people  loved it.

[Himu]

Oh shit. Still, the point stands. Deanna never did anything worthwhile as far as I remember.  Her mom didn't have much of a presence though. There's that naked wedding ceremony. Don't remember anything else about her besides her lusting after Picard.

I made a thread at the other place saying the same thing.  Troi sucks for the most part.

[Eel O'Brian]

Watched all three in the theater on release (except New Hope, didn't see that until the rerelease right before Empire came out).  Oh, man, the howls when Vader said he was Luke's dad. Oh, man, the howls when it ended on a cliffhanger. Didn't like Return much because of the way they punked out Han and Boba Fett, but Luke was really cool. I was just never much of a SW fan as a kid. I preferred stuff like Six Million Dollar Man, Planet of the Apes, and horror movies.

I saw the remastered New Hope when it came to theaters, and was surprised to find it kind of boring in spots.  Phantom Menace is the only movie I've ever fallen asleep watching. I thought Clones was "okay," purely because of the Obi Wan storyline. Revenge made me laugh a lot at how stupid it was, so I can't outright hate it.

[Diunx]

Not really missing much.

[Rufus]

I met her once. She's 20 buckets full of crazy

She was in Stephen Fry's documentary about bipolar disorder. She's certified crazy.

[StealthFan]

Star Wars and Star Trek? Eh.

[chronovore]

I recently re-watched Lower Decks, the ST:TNG episode which mainly follows the paths of several junior officers and a few side characters who have seen minimal screen time in previous episodes. It was one of my favorites at the time, and I was stunned how well it holds up.

ROTJ has the best scene in star wars though. Jedi is great!

I understand why nerds have issues with Jedi. And technically it is the weakest of the three but I just think people are holding it to a very high bar. It's fine. Ewoks and such for me don't Jar Jar the movie. There is still enough there to stand on its own merits versus something like The Phantom Menace which is awful on all fronts.

I think coming after ESB is really hard for that movie. Star Wars was stunning, but many fans count ESB to be their favorite, because it reveals so much, progresses each of the characters and their relationships, and (perhaps the best serial-like moment of all) ends without wrapping everything up neatly, and leaves us hungering for the next installment.

ROTJ focuses mainly on Luke and Vader's relationship, wrapping everything up neatly, and turns the other characters into supporting roles. It's not a bad movie on its own, but it's not what I was hoping for.

[Himu]

Yeah.  I don't get placing ANH above ROTJ.

[Madrun Badrun]

I feel like Jedi hate increased after the Jar Jar fallout from episode 1.  It's like people hated Jar Jar so much that they felt the need to distance themselves from any kind of comedic alien race.

[Shaka Khan]

The rumors are true, brehs.

Growing up, there was definitely a window of opportunity when I was a kid thirsty for anything imaginative— whether it was fantasy or sci-fi I didn't care, I just spongy imagination was ready to absorb anything. Unfortunately, it was a time when the rest of the world wasn't yet submerged in Western culture and getting something like Star Wars wasn't only a few clicks away. Had I seen the movies during that period, I would have totally been a spergdork today.

Years down the road, and around the time that usual wave of cynicism started creeping up, I had the urge to check the movies out. If only to better understand these greasy, pungent, filthy creatures I always find myself surrounded with. And sure enough, I acquired them, but made the mistake of starting with Episode I.

... Then when Jar Jar Binks showed up on screen and started doing his thing, I was like...



Fuck George Lucas, the mother who birthed him, and everyone they love...

And that's the story of how I gave up on watching this regurgitated bile.

[Himu]

But no one likes episode 1. Star wars fans agree with you.

[Shaka Khan]

I'm well aware of that. But it left such a bad taste in my mouth that I couldn't get myself to watch anything remotely related to that universe.

[Himu]

I'm well aware of that. But it left such a bad taste in my mouth that I couldn't get myself to watch anything remotely related to that universe.

[Eric P]

star wars is pretty crappy.  just watch Kamen Rider instead.

[Shaka Khan]

I'm well aware of that. But it left such a bad taste in my mouth that I couldn't get myself to watch anything remotely related to that universe.

Did I stutter?

[Himu]

I'm not sure if wrath should start with tng or the original series. OG Trek has its moments but I dunno.

Should probably star with Wrath of Khan.

[Eric P]

i like OG trek and I have to agree that it's mostly trash

[Shaka Khan]

og trek is like 60% unwatchable

I highly disagree. Especially if you have a strong sense of irony.

[Brehvolution]

[Shaka Khan]

Should have been AIDS

[Human Snorenado]

Honestly, lots of TNG is bad too. It's not something that ages well.

That said, I would be all about a modernized version of Trek. It *is* at it's best in an episodic format.

[Madrun Badrun]

Go watch Trek, wrath

OK, I'll do it this year.

Honestly, I like startrek more and more as I get older and starwars less and less.  Star trek has some real bright spots to it.

[Himu]

I think that tng season 3 and up is AAA.

[Madrun Badrun]

i like OG trek and I have to agree that it's mostly trash

I just went thought it for the first time a few months ago.  Its much better than I thought it would be.  And I don't even like camp.

[Shaka Khan]

og trek is like 60% unwatchable

I highly disagree. Especially if you have a strong sense of irony.

Like I said earlier in this topic, the twilight zone and monster of the week stuff is (Image removed from quote.)

It's enjoyable. For different reasons obviously, which surely pisses off the self-serious nerds.

[Mr. Gundam]

I saw Jedi in the theater during it's original release.

Not as old as some duders here, but still feels old man.

[Shaka Khan]

I'm not sure if wrath should start with tng or the original series. OG Trek has its moments but I dunno.

Should probably star with Wrath of Khan.

I'm going to start OG. Mostly cause I can enjoy if something is pretty bad. It will be fun to see where all the references come from. I know way too much about the show for having not watched it.

That's exactly how I approached it. And for what it's worth, I didn't sit in front of the TV and watched them in succession, but mostly turned them on my iPad while in bed and passed out 25 mins in, depending on the episode. I can see someone being twice as critical if they were more serious about their viewing though.

[Human Snorenado]

I saw Jedi in the theater during it's original release.

Not as old as some duders here, but still feels old man.

Me too. I was six years old I think? Seems right.

[Human Snorenado]

I remember when Jedi came out my older cousins had the first two on VHS and tried to show them to 4-year old me, but the plan had to be abandoned because I kept crying every time Hamill was on screen.  I was apparently scared of his haircut?  Kids are weird.

*begins taking notes*

So, tell me about how you became a Sega fan?

[Human Snorenado]

Well, that would just about do it to anyone I suppose.

[lennedsay]

Fuck y'all hate hate hate. I love me some Star Wars.

[Eli Gulgin]

People hating on Star Trek TOS 

[nudemacusers]

haven't checked in since page one. are your sperglord feggits still arguing about spaceships or not

[Stoney Mason]

People hating on Star Trek TOS 

Don't worry. I love TOS also. Still my favorite trek although I also like TNG a lot too.

[Himu]

I'm not hating but it is really dated compared to tng and ds9.

[Human Snorenado]

Yup. Dont hate TOS either but it's just got high highs and low lows to me. I reserve the word hate for things like Voyager and Enterprise.

Why you gotta do that to Manabyte