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LIGHTNING RETURNS
« on: February 10, 2014, 09:54:40 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2014, 10:29:43 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 10:53:46 AM »
I got my Cloud DLC this morning.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2014, 01:17:52 PM »
Amazon shipped mine, too. Release day delivery. :rock
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2014, 03:37:04 PM »
Looking forward to it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2014, 03:41:37 PM »
I look forward to laughing at everyone buying this full price.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 03:51:21 PM »
How long before it's $20?
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2014, 03:58:51 PM »
I look forward to laughing at everyone buying this full price.

Fine with me.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 04:09:02 PM »
Laugh away

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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 04:21:52 PM »
this game is already out? Wow.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 08:19:23 PM »
Ah screw it, I'm buying. Gotta support REAL Final Fantasy.

Whats the word on the cheevs demi? Easy-ish 1000 like XIII-2?

I still need to do quite a bit of turtle grinding in FFXIII for my 1000 there :fbm
« Last Edit: February 10, 2014, 08:22:39 PM by The Sceneman »
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 10:51:51 PM »
I ordered the CE from SE's site... not sure when I will get it, Digital River is pretty shady from what I hear (although I got the Ni No Kuni CE from them without a hitch).
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 11:59:08 PM »
How long before it's $20?

Two days, a week or two max.

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2014, 01:58:02 AM »
yeah, actually fuck buying this full price. I do want the Cloud DLC though  :'(
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2014, 03:12:47 AM »
I have Cloud and Yuna DLC - going to hang onto them to see if they spike in value for people.
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2014, 11:35:11 AM »
this is getting super shitty review and the fact that it's not my problem anymore makes me feel like a criminal that just went clean
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2014, 12:51:51 PM »
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Square just released a great new Final Fantasy game. It's called Bravely Default. It's not called Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2014, 01:06:29 PM »
The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.

The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.

The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.

4.5/10

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2014, 01:33:19 PM »
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Square just released a great new Final Fantasy game. It's called Bravely Default. It's not called Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.
AV you magnificent bastard.

we could have the guy who made that legendary legend of dragoon review write a review of lightning returns but instead we have these lame article about gone home and what not

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2014, 02:05:52 PM »
The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.

The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.

The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.

4.5/10

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Good review, makes the game sound awesome? The reviewer clearly didn't like FFXIII, calling Paradigm Shifts 'tedious' and the new system on par. I loved FFXIII I'm sure I'll enjoy this.

So sick of FF fans jacking off on nostalgia and hating a game because 'its not final fantasy'. How is the XIII trilogy not Final Fantasy? They are fucking RPGs and shit
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2014, 02:46:02 PM »
The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.

The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.

The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.

4.5/10

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2014, 03:30:59 PM »
"The world of Gran Pulse and the Unseen Realm have merged together into a new land called Nova Chrysalia, where humanity, untouched by time, has spent the last five centuries waiting for the final curtain to fall. "

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2014, 04:41:16 PM »
I couldn't care less about Bravley Defualt. Hardly looks intersting and all the "savior of jrpg" crap reminds me of Ni No Kuni.

Whatever, game is getting crappy reviews with a lot of them talking about the gameplay. The gameplay seems to me to be the best thing about this series finnaly perfected. The reviews just seem like reviewers taking a crap on the series because there isn't going to be much backlash. Yeah shit on the story while jacking off that crap that is Bioshock Infinite. I've already got this paid off. Hell, I've already listened to the soundtrack which is great. I'm ready.

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2014, 04:53:40 PM »
The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.

The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.

The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.

4.5/10

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Good review, makes the game sound awesome? The reviewer clearly didn't like FFXIII, calling Paradigm Shifts 'tedious' and the new system on par. I loved FFXIII I'm sure I'll enjoy this.

So sick of FF fans jacking off on nostalgia and hating a game because 'its not final fantasy'. How is the XIII trilogy not Final Fantasy? They are fucking RPGs and shit

Because FFXIII is mediocre pap and treads the line of being slightly below that at times.

Not liking FFXIII is not "jacking off to nostalgia."  Also, fans don't like FFXIII because it mostly sucks.

I post at a secret forum now and then. We've been talking.g together since 99. We are from a former FF fan site. Everyone there is a major FF nerd. Well, most everyone. A lot of people there don't even care for FF now. Why? FFXIII. There were about three people out of 20 regulars who enjoyed the game. You boil this down to nostalgia?
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2014, 04:56:28 PM »
I couldn't care less about Bravley Defualt. Hardly looks intersting and all the "savior of jrpg" crap reminds me of Ni No Kuni.

Whatever, game is getting crappy reviews with a lot of them talking about the gameplay. The gameplay seems to me to be the best thing about this series finnaly perfected. The reviews just seem like reviewers taking a crap on the series because there isn't going to be much backlash. Yeah shit on the story while jacking off that crap that is Bioshock Infinite. I've already got this paid off. Hell, I've already listened to the soundtrack which is great. I'm ready.

Yeah game play looks pretty great here but I won't bitch because FF and SE deserves these reviews for shitting on its fans for an entire generation. BD looks great but your distinguished mentally-challenged hate for nintendo handhelds is preventing you from enjoying good games. No one is saying BD is a savior for jrpgs unless they're fucking stupid. It just looks like a great game.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2014, 05:31:31 PM »
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Square just released a great new Final Fantasy game. It's called Bravely Default. It's not called Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII.
AV you magnificent bastard.

We try.

we could have the guy who made that legendary legend of dragoon review write a review of lightning returns but instead we have these lame article about gone home and what not

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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2014, 05:39:06 PM »
I own this and Bravely Default. I'll be enjoying all my JRPG goodness without the hipster. smug smug smug smug
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2014, 06:32:24 PM »
I'm getting this and BD too. High five.
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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2014, 06:51:49 PM »
Male reviewers scared of a strong women what don't need no man. Overthrow the patriarchy, sis.

Newsfeed, plz.

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The Good - Final Fantasy XIII is finally over.

The Bad - Combat that had the potential to be interesting, but just feels clumsy and awkward.

The Ugly - Every line of dialogue and every single story beat.

4.5/10

:heh

Good review, makes the game sound awesome? The reviewer clearly didn't like FFXIII, calling Paradigm Shifts 'tedious' and the new system on par. I loved FFXIII I'm sure I'll enjoy this.

So sick of FF fans jacking off on nostalgia and hating a game because 'its not final fantasy'. How is the XIII trilogy not Final Fantasy? They are fucking RPGs and shit

Paradigm Shifts are "tedious" though. Let's be honest: What does it bring to the combat table? It's basically a faster version of FFX-2's dress sphere system, but you don't gain full control over it for like... 50 hours. You're in a tutorial phase for those 50 hours. Now throw in the hunts that (for five stars) is dive bombing your HP and putting a medic on the team to heal everyone while staggering as quick as possible and... what is the point of the paradigms?

FFXIII-3 is taking that same thing but making it a solo-affair, this will probably help to where you don't have two characters just be rav/com while shifting the other between Medic and Sentinel, but I doubt it'll be some revolutionary thing like Paradigms aren't.

"The world of Gran Pulse and the Unseen Realm have merged together into a new land called Nova Chrysalia, where humanity, untouched by time, has spent the last five centuries waiting for the final curtain to fall. "

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Sounds similar to FFXIII-2's story just replacing certain words and characters for it. Granted, I haven't finished that (yet) so let's see...

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2014, 07:28:20 PM »
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Paradigm Shifts are "tedious" though. Let's be honest: What does it bring to the combat table? It's basically a faster version of FFX-2's dress sphere system, but you don't gain full control over it for like... 50 hours. You're in a tutorial phase for those 50 hours. Now throw in the hunts that (for five stars) is dive bombing your HP and putting a medic on the team to heal everyone while staggering as quick as possible and... what is the point of the paradigms?
But they aren't. Honestly, this just sounds like someone who dosen't know how to play the game and then complains about the bossess putting doom on them because they weren't fast enough. Paradigms are there for the quick switch between strategies. If you're playing offense with a commando, medic, and rav you're doing it wrong. That should only be you're set up for a quick heal where you need to keep the stagger , but don't need any buffs. Otherwise it should be commando, rav, rav. Maybe all ravs. maybe through in a sab because they keep stagger, but also raise it higher then a com. The beauty of the pradigm  system comes in switching constantly and very quickly as you try to kill enmies as fast possible, which is what the game is about. If you're not switching a lot you're doing it wrong. The battle system has a lot of awesome strategy timing which makes the battle system amazing as the pace of battle is quick and always feels like it can change for better or worse during boss battles.

To call paradigms tedious is very stupid when they are basicly why the battle system in XIII is incredibly fun. This is also why people confuse me when they complain about the begining of the game. You do have most of the battle system and the game is incredibly fun trying to use just two characters. The Vanile and Szah part is great.

I own this and Bravely Default. I'll be enjoying all my JRPG goodness without the hipster. smug smug smug smug
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Game looks bad and it's on a handheld. Do not want.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2014, 07:32:03 PM by Rahxephon91 »

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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2014, 07:38:04 PM »
To call paradigms tedious is very stupid when they are basicly why the battle system in XIII is incredibly fun. This is also why people confuse me when they complain about the begining of the game. You do have most of the battle system and the game is incredibly fun trying to use just two characters. The Vanile and Szah part is great.

the funny thing is that after you finaly get the ability to make your 3 man party that party will almost always be fang/lightning/hope as they cover all the essential role anyway as snow,sazh and vanille (who at least get some use thanks to the fact that she gets death) start collecting dust

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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2014, 07:39:55 PM »
Actually my party in 13 has always just been Light, Vannile, and Hope.

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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2014, 07:45:45 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2014, 08:01:10 PM »
Anyone want to buy a copy at a reduced cost?

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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2014, 08:14:11 PM »
I'll wait until I get this shit for free on PS+, and probably never play any of the games :jawalrus
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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2014, 08:47:01 PM »
Use two characters in FFXIII sucks balls. That was fun? It was shit.

Let's not give you a full party for 30 hours brehs.

Finally with LR, FFXIII is dead and we FF fans can move the fuck on with the worst time period in franchise history.
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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2014, 08:51:00 PM »
FFXV is gonna be god tier
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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2014, 08:55:29 PM »
It better be or I'm done with the franchise. XVI will come out, I dunno by the time I'm 35?
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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2014, 09:02:02 PM »
Having two characters in XIII is very fun. The game is completely fun the entire way through.

If the FF dark period is where you have games that are extremely fun to play at the expense of crappy story execution then fine. Sounds better then other periods.


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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2014, 09:10:56 PM »
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If you're not switching a lot you're doing it wrong. The battle system has a lot of awesome strategy timing which makes the battle system amazing as the pace of battle is quick and always feels like it can change for better or worse during boss battles.

One of these things isn't like the other...

But they aren't. Honestly, this just sounds like someone who dosen't know how to play the game and then complains about the bossess putting doom on them because they weren't fast enough. Paradigms are there for the quick switch between strategies. If you're playing offense with a commando, medic, and rav you're doing it wrong. That should only be you're set up for a quick heal where you need to keep the stagger , but don't need any buffs. Otherwise it should be commando, rav, rav. Maybe all ravs. maybe through in a sab because they keep stagger, but also raise it higher then a com. The beauty of the pradigm  system comes in switching constantly and very quickly as you try to kill enmies as fast possible, which is what the game is about.

What is the point of switching when "killing quickly" WANTS you to continue to use RAV/COM/RAV? At the very least you only need TWO: COM/RAV and then a MED to beat the game.

You can go "OH BUT TO BEAT THE HUNTS YOU NEED BLAH BLAH BLAH OR DOOM" and while yes those side-quests may need the system, the main game itself only wants those two. SAB/whatever the buff class is on the converse aren't really needed. Neither is Sentinel unless you need the damage buff.

And since FFXIII did that stupid "PARADIGM SHIFT! PARADIGM SHIFT! PARADIGM SHIFT!" *animations* to where you couldn't get that buff instantly (thank god FFXIII-2 fixed that), what is the point of going Sentinel?

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To call paradigms tedious is very stupid when they are basicly why the battle system in XIII is incredibly fun. This is also why people confuse me when they complain about the begining of the game. You do have most of the battle system and the game is incredibly fun trying to use just two characters. The Vanile and Szah part is great.

No, it really isn't. And Paradigms are awful because there's no point to switching to them when you can get 5 stars easily just using COM/RAV/RAV RAV/COM/MED. Here's how I got five-stars in 13: Dive-bombing my HP to dangerously low levels (700HP or so) and then using Medic to raise those quickly if needed then switching back to RAV/COM/RAV while smashing X/Auto-battle.

"BUT THEN YOU'RE PLAYING IT WRONG!"

Then, why am I getting five-stars if I'm playing it so wrong? The game WANTED that. If it didn't, it wouldn't reward me for going dive-bombing as quickly as possible to beat the battles.

So, Paradigm System: Pointless. You only need TWO Paradigms at most.
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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2014, 09:15:42 PM »
Having two characters in XIII is very fun. The game is completely fun the entire way through.

If the FF dark period is where you have games that are extremely fun to play at the expense of crappy story execution then fine. Sounds better then other periods.

Lol ffxiii is not fun until pulse and even that is just merely okay and pales to xii's mark quests.

Going through tunnels and five starring battles by hitting auto is not fun.
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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2014, 09:30:11 PM »
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One of these things isn't like the other...
There actually isn't any contradiction. I'm saying com/rav/rav should be the default and then you go from there. Medic should never be out unless you're healing. You should only be healing for a sec, because thats all it takes. A medic should never be in you're default starting paradigm. It's Com/rav/rav because there you start off the battle running.


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What is the point of switching when "killing quickly" WANTS you to continue to use RAV/COM/RAV? At the very least you only need TWO: COM/RAV and then a MED to beat the game.
But it dosen't. You have to stagger enemies most of the time. To do that the best is start off with a com or Sab and then quickly switch to rav/rav/rav. You can switch to something with sab so you can put some effects, but the AI is bad with sab because they stop after everything has been put on. It should only be com when something is staggerd honestly. The rest of the battle system is balancing healing, keeping the stagger bar up, and putting up buffs and debuffs. But if you have a com/rav/rav as you're main way to stagger people then you're wasting time. Thats why my party is Light/Vannile/Hope because they can do tri-disaster. 

If thats all you need to beat the game then fine, but thats not fun to me and it sure is'nt playing the battle system to it's strengths.

But if you use that logic then allow me to say FFXII is terrible because you don't need to do anything, but set gambits to auto attack and then let the game play itself.

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You can go "OH BUT TO BEAT THE HUNTS YOU NEED BLAH BLAH BLAH OR DOOM" and while yes those side-quests may need the system, the main game itself only wants those two. SAB/whatever the buff class is on the converse aren't really needed. Neither is Sentinel unless you need the damage buff.
I did'nt say anything about hunts. The main game is fun enough. You say sab is useless, it isn't. It's a useful tool to keep stagger but actually impact something more effective. It also is what makes that Vannile and Szah part great because you don't have com and so stagger is harder, but ounce you start using sab it makes most enemies in that part go down really fast, like those shelled monsters. You can now easily stagger them. Sab is quite useful when you've switched the party to defending and buffing. It's great for Vannile because she has no com skill.

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And since FFXIII did that stupid "PARADIGM SHIFT! PARADIGM SHIFT! PARADIGM SHIFT!" *animations* to where you couldn't get that buff instantly (thank god FFXIII-2 fixed that), what is the point of going Sentinel?
Sentinel has no point other then taking damage for specific enemies that have charge attacks. But then again, this is FF. Whats the point of whatever Wakka was in X? Whats the point of the LP when I get everything easily in XII and characters have no affinities? These games always have flaws in thier systems. XIII is hardly the only one guilty.

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No, it really isn't. And Paradigms are awful because there's no point to switching to them when you can get 5 stars easily just using COM/RAV/RAV RAV/COM/MED. Here's how I got five-stars in 13: Dive-bombing my HP to dangerously low levels (700HP or so) and then using Medic to raise those quickly if needed then switching back to RAV/COM/RAV while smashing X/Auto-battle.
Sounds like a boring way to play the game when theres a much faster way to play it. You chose to do that, thats you're fault. I belive when I said XII sucked because characters are awful I was told to just limit how I spent the LP. I'm not sure why i can't say that.

But other then that I'm not sure how you beat XIII. I've played the game many times and I do not see how that paradigm set-up would work especially when the game is cheap with the doom spells. But I guess it did for you. I'm not interested in playing that way.

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"BUT THEN YOU'RE PLAYING IT WRONG!"
As far as I'm concerned you are.

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Then, why am I getting five-stars if I'm playing it so wrong? The game WANTED that. If it didn't, it wouldn't reward me for going dive-bombing as quickly as possible to beat the battles.
The ranking system in XIII makes no sense and is pointless.

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So, Paradigm System: Pointless. You only need TWO Paradigms at most.
Not in my experience. I rather play the game in a fun way.

Having two characters in XIII is very fun. The game is completely fun the entire way through.

If the FF dark period is where you have games that are extremely fun to play at the expense of crappy story execution then fine. Sounds better then other periods.

Lol ffxiii is not fun until pulse and even that is just merely okay and pales to xii's mark quests.

Going through tunnels and five starring battles by hitting auto is not fun.
Well I'm just going to disagree. The game is fun from Breasha lake onward. More fun then any other FF to play. Can't help that it's linear, not like I care if a jrpg is linear.
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« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2014, 09:38:49 PM »
ff13 sucks because its the same damn thing for 40 hours straight. it sucks so bad that it makes its sequels a pain to play even tho they are better games, just because of boredom-by-association
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« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2014, 09:50:06 PM »
oh right, i am having fun! i love everything! man i am so excited for infamous! hey you guys remember sunsoft? that was my favorite gaming company! i like buying season passes that have lots of multiplayer content! lets go play some old rare n64 games guys!
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« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2014, 09:51:22 PM »
Rah: If the ranking system is so pointless, then why did FFXIII-2 want you to five star it to get better items? (Conversely, FFXIII wanted you to suck ass/one-star to get better items.  :lol)

You keep saying shifting is the "fun" for the system, but if that's the case: Shifting is still pointless when there's only two paradigms you need to set-up to beat the "main" game.

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But if you use that logic then allow me to say FFXII is terrible because you don't need to do anything, but set gambits to auto attack and then let the game play itself.

Sure, and I wouldn't discount it. The game can be beaten with auto-attack in FFXII just like FFXIII. However the game (XII) also needs you to heal/micro-manage your health if you get low/KO'd. Whereas in FFXIII you just need to get the best curaga spell, ATB charge and X-auto-battle it to heal. Everyone is damaged? The auto-battle AI will generally choose to use lower spells so it'll start spamming those on each character as quick as it can go between ATB charges.

And yes, all the characters can become homogenous. X tried to break this convention by making each character strong for certain things, but if you are smart, you'd unlock everything on Auron, break the game before Seymore's first encounter because Auron is hitting nearly 9999 (if not 9999) before that point while the other characters tag along. So, X kinda failed on that.

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The rest of the battle system is balancing healing, keeping the stagger bar up, and putting up buffs and debuffs. But if you have a com/rav/rav as you're main way to stagger people then you're wasting time. Thats why my party is Light/Vannile/Hope because they can do tri-disaster.

...Which is basically saying what I'm saying: Stagger (Com/Rav/Rav) as quickly as possible.
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Buffs/debuffs ARE NOT NEEDED. Sure, you can use Haste if you want to have a faster ATB charge, and maybe kill slightly quicker, but you can get five-stars pretty easy even without those.
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Heal when your HP gets low/dive-bomb. How are you disagreeing with me when you're basically saying what I'm saying? You're only disagreeing in the case of using buffs/debuffs, but frankly: Those are pointless and not needed. Whereas in XII they actually kinda had a point but were given pretty late that it was pretty pointless by then.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2014, 09:53:02 PM »
Now that I'm on a computer.

The last generation marks a dark spot in FF history. The only single player console FF has two sequels. We have been with the same characters for an entire generation: five years. FF14 sucks, or at least, did suck. Their goals and plans for the franchise are...well, they have no goals nor vision for the franchise. It's all scattershot.

What the fuck is this about fun? This is irrefutable fact. Final Fantasy is decline. Yuichi Wada said as much in 2011 when he said the Final Fantasy brand has been damaged greatly.

Whether or not FF can reclaim its glory days has yet to be seen, but it's highly doubtful given that Square Enix have alienated and kicked out just about every piece of talent the company ever had, and unlike Nintendo for instance, the company work culture does not foster an environment that emphasizes on quality, passing the torch, and having at least a modicum of a goal towards what they want to do. At least, since they demoted Gooch.

You can live in your ostrich hole if you want. I have moved on. I moved on over ten years ago with SMT and Suikoden and I'm in the same spot with SMT and Dragon Quest.

In no world is Final Fantasy XIII a great game. It's not even a good game. It isn't bad or terrible like most think, but it certainly isn't good. Have your "fun" or whatever the fuck and tunnels.  Can't wait for Nomura to leave the company after KH3 is done and for SE to burn in flames.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2014, 09:58:28 PM »
I find it impossible to let FFXII play itself. There are locations, like where you walk into a random tree trunk, and the enemies are like 20-30 levels higher than you. Even in normal places, like the rainy Giza Plains, has elementals that are level 30 or 40 while you're level 3 or some shit and will attack unprovoked. Many marks will wreck your shit to the point where you can't possibly let the game play itself. I realize that FFXII isn't for everyone, but that it plays itself is just hyperbole. However, it's not hyperbole with FFXIII. 13 lacks the exploration of 12, for one thing. It has a different encounter system as well. In 12, you can sneak into a dungeon where the enemies are 40 levels above you that will fuck you up in one hit, and the tension that comes from sneaking in and running away and escaping the dungeon without dying is very, very cathartic. Name me a point in 13 that is like this. There isn't. The bulk of the game is boring. Switch a few paradigms and hit auto, and you've got 13 down pat. It's not entirely like that - that too, is hyperbole - but comparing 12 and 13 is like comparing a banana to a tomato.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2014, 10:04:10 PM »
I know you haven't played 13 but even as someone who dislikes 12, if you'd play 13, you'd probably come to a new respect for 12.

I also find 12 highly fun and extremely well made. 12 is divisive - like any FF - but most are positive towards it. I can't say the same with 13, and most people agree.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2014, 10:04:43 PM »
though 12 isn't very fun either, so they've got that much in common.

You and me aren't cool, Oscar-san.  :'(

Himuro: Technically, XII can play itself but you still need to micro-manage the Gambit systems to set it up properly to do that. Auto-battle for the entire game can work if you want to micromanage the healing/buffs/etc. instead of letting Gambits do that.

But conversely: XIII is just "smash auto-Battle unless you want to 'kill enemies quicker' which is pointless since you can still get a five-star rating just smashing X, so why bother?" There's no need to micro-manage outside of two paradigms.

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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2014, 10:07:33 PM »
XII also has the option to not use full gambits. I use gambits, but I don't use a full gambit rollout. I just have a few gambits set up like casting protect or berserk on certain characters so I don't have to do it myself mid battle.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2014, 10:09:00 PM »
Only the story is half made. The gameplay in the second half of FFXII is fucking amazing and has its best gameplay moments. The dungeons are so good. So it's definitely not half finished. I wouldn't even say the story is half finished. It has a beginning, middle, climax, and end. Whether you think the story gets worse or not is subjective, but it's clearly finished as a product.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2014, 10:10:52 PM »
i have no earthly idea how a game that is literally half-finished could be considered well-made, even if you're positive on it

Combat system wasn't "half-finished" most of the world/Ivalice wasn't "half-finished." The only thing that was "half-finished" was the story, obviously. But the gameplay itself? I can't see how you'd consider that half-finished unless you want to throw International: Zodiac Job System on the bus. But I'd consider that an Expansion/re-balance like fighting games do. It tweaked a lot of things and was probably better for it.

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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2014, 10:11:56 PM »
Yeah, the world is pretty fucking realized. HEY FFXIII, ISN'T IT NICE TO LEARN ABOUT A GAME WORLD WITHOUT HITTING A DATALOG
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2014, 10:21:01 PM »
I know a lot of people had issues with 7. I read the magazine letters from the people pining for the days of 6. Some people didn't like 8, but a lot of people loved it too. This is true for every FF. But I think the decline of FF starts with the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII and, though I love the game to bits and it's one of my favorites - X-2. Compilation of FFVII more than X-2 though, because X-2 is a great game, and nothing good came from the Compilation aside from Crisis Core, which was merely just okay.

But the real decline when it was obvious? Last generation. A half baked FF with tunnels and a half baked online FF. Seems pretty clear to me, especially since even the press is now dogging on Final Fantasy.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2014, 10:22:56 PM »
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Rah: If the ranking system is so pointless, then why did FFXIII-2 want you to five star it to get better items? (Conversely, FFXIII wanted you to suck ass/one-star to get better items.  :lol)
Because it tired to improve it and do something with it?

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You keep saying shifting is the "fun" for the system, but if that's the case: Shifting is still pointless when there's only two paradigms you need to set-up to beat the "main" game.
Because I never played the game that way. You say that you can do that. I have no idea if thats true, because I never have tried to play the game that way. I don't see how thats all you need for battles, but if that is what it is then fine. I'm sorry you did'nt have fun.

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Sure, and I wouldn't discount it. The game can be beaten with auto-attack in FFXII just like FFXIII. However the game (XII) also needs you to heal/micro-manage your health if you get low/KO'd.
You can just set-up gambits to heal at 40% and have characters attack leader targets who attacks the closest enemy. You can do that and beat the main game of XII.

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Buffs/debuffs ARE NOT NEEDED. Sure, you can use Haste if you want to have a faster ATB charge, and maybe kill slightly quicker, but you can get five-stars pretty easy even without those.
I'm not sure how this is true since the only way to beat Behemoths and those flying enemies the first time you're on Gran Pulse is to use buffs and debuffs on them. Just using medic and then attacking will get you killed and those are just regular enemies on gran pulse. We're not talking about boss battles where again I'm not sure how you can ignore buffs and just stay in 2 paradigms, but apparently you did so......I guess good for you.

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Heal when your HP gets low/dive-bomb. How are you disagreeing with me when you're basically saying what I'm saying? You're only disagreeing in the case of using buffs/debuffs, but frankly: Those are pointless and not needed. Whereas in XII they actually kinda had a point but were given pretty late that it was pretty pointless by then.
But I'm not agreeing with you at all. You seem to think only 2 paradigms are needed. I don't.

And buffs where never needed in XII. Nothing is needed in that game. Attack and heal the whole game with a character leveling system the game destroys itself.

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What the fuck is this about fun? This is irrefutable fact. Final Fantasy is decline. Yuichi Wada said as much in 2011 when he said the Final Fantasy brand has been damaged greatly.
I never said the series wasn't in decline. Japanese gaming is in decline and quite frankly is terrible. I don't really care. People not liking games dosen't keep me from enjoying XIII's series. Did it need two sequels? No. They should have moved on and made something else. But they didn't and it's not like the games are bad. They just aren't great or game changing which hardly anything from Japan this gen has been. MGS, RE, DMC, whatever. They've all been good/ok at best. Nothing great. Still enjoy RE5 and DMC4 though. Still going to enjoy XIII despite it not being a great entry.

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Whether or not FF can reclaim its glory days has yet to be seen, but it's highly doubtful given that Square Enix have alienated and kicked out just about every piece of talent the company ever had, and unlike Nintendo for instance, the company work culture does not foster an environment that emphasizes on quality, passing the torch, and having at least a modicum of a goal towards what they want to do. At least, since they demoted Gooch.
None of these companies are going to reclaim anything. Deal with it or don't. You don't like the current direction? Well it's not going to change.

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You can live in your ostrich hole if you want. I have moved on. I moved on over ten years ago with SMT and Suikoden and I'm in the same spot with SMT and Dragon Quest.
Have you? Then why are you here talking and complaining about a serious you don't like anymore? You're not going to play Lightning Returns, whats the point of talking about how dead FF is when you don't care to play it's latest installments. You say I'm ignoring the obvious? Of what? Am I supposed to think like you and not like FF, because I don't. I still like these games. I'm sorry you don't. Stop crying about it and play Bravely Default or something. As far as I'm concerned they still put out good games and I honestly don't care if you think I'm stupid because of that. I get more FF games so all is good. Not a dark period for me. The games are still fun and thats quite honestly all I care about. Corporate management means nothing until I think the games suck and I don't.

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In no world is Final Fantasy XIII a great game. It's not even a good game.
I wouldn't say great. I would say good because it is.

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Have your "fun" or whatever the fuck and tunnels
I will. Have fun complaining about a series you supposedly don't care about.
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Can't wait for Nomura to leave the company after KH3 is done and for SE to burn in flames.
Nomura dosen't even make good games, so I'm not sure how him leaving is supposed to be a big loss other then they won't have hi bankable character work anymore. Hey maybe that would actually force them to get someone new, which seems like a good thing to me.
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thisismyusername

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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2014, 10:25:07 PM »
ehn, trying to show you rahx's point of view, guess i could try to turn the lasers onto ff8 instead to achieve that, but looking at past interactions, it's probably not worth the effort

Go on, I'm curious your complaints about 8.

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i do know one thing, though.  at this point, the ff fanbase is so splintered that it's almost worthless to try to point to where the decline started from a quality point of view.  if you ask me, the series has been on a downward slide from disc 2 of ff7.

Eh... I'd move that downward slide (as much as I hate 7) past the PSX era and put it firmly on 10 (which started the line-walk that 13 copied) and 10-2 (that 13 "aped" as a "Paradigm system" from the dress sphere and partially the "14-days" for 13-3)

@Rah: Okay, then let's shift focus: Please tell me what the point of the Paradigm System is. Don't put it in context of 13/13-2. Tell me what Square's goal was for the Paradigm System.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2014, 10:29:52 PM »
FYI, Rah: Fisking gets you fisted around here.

Stahp or grease up.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2014, 10:29:52 PM »
I never said I don't care about FF. I make these posts because I clearly do care.  A lot. I care so much I'm going to buy Lightning Returns. However, there comes a point where there's no point in hoping, pining, or wishing for a return of the old. I'm highly critical, because S-E deserves its fanbase to be highly critical, but I do believe in second, even third chances. But I'm not going to stop being critical because some person who finds doing the same shit for 40 hours is fun.
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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2014, 10:30:22 PM »
This thread makes me happy I've never played an entire Final Fantasy game.

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Re: LIGHTNING RETURNS
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2014, 10:32:47 PM »
How is he being a casual racist? I didn't read that entire post because FISKING.
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